NFL: Mike Martz UTTERLY DESTROYED new Ram coach Sean McVay

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Old Salty Guys Are Not Impressed By Los Angeles Rams’ Head Coach Sean McVay
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Mike Martz and Jason Whitlock, both older than McVay, prove that they’re less mature than a 31 year old.
by Brandon Bate@NoPlanB_ Aug 22, 2017, 7:19am CDT TWEET


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Jason Whitlock, a professional hot take provider for Fox Sports, felt it necessary to interrupt Eric Davis on the network’s Speak for Yourself show on Monday. At the time, Davis was providing praise for what Sean McVay, the NFL’s youngest head coach, has already been able to accomplish.

Davis: “One advantage he (Jared Goff) has right now is Sean McVay.”

Whitlock: “Doogie Howser. He’s a child.”

You can watch the entire 3:45 clip here.

While displaying reservations about going all aboard the Rams/Goff 2017 hype train, Davis and Cowherd both expressed optimism about what they’ve seen thus far in the short time with McVay as coach. But Whitlock remained unimpressed all the while.

A bit later in the segment (3:20 mark), Whitlock not only made his bold prediction for the Rams’ Week 1 match against the Colts, but took another jab at McVay:

The Colts, with Scott Tolzien or whatever his name is, Phil Tolzien, will come in here and run roughshod over Jared Goff, (and) the little 12 year old coach they got.

But Whitlock’s jabs wouldn’t be the only sustained by McVay.

In a piece run by SB Nation on Tuesday morning, there’s a snippet from former Rams’ offensive coordinator Mike Martz - who dates back to the Greatest Show on Turf era - where he was asked if he thought McVay, who’s given a lot of credit for helping develop Kirk Cousins, could make a difference for Goff.

Martz came out swinging.

What is he, a couple of months older than Jared? They hired a buddy for Jared. The NFL has nothing to do with being the friend or the buddy of the quarterback. You've got to coach them and work them hard with respect. But buddy? And this guy is a quarterback expert? An offensive expert? Wait a minute while I puke. Right, he's going to be able to teach and handle and guide Jared through tough times because of all of his expertise and knowledge? Right. I'm not going to drink that Kool-Aid.

All things considered, it’s pretty sad that these men, supposed professionals, act in such a childish manner. Whitlock, now 50, is reduced to calling McVay a child, in the exact same moment that he’s acting like one. Martz took the disrespect to an entirely different level.

But what do the opinions of these two men really matter? The answer is they don't. Everything you’ve heard, from top of the organization down to the players, is that he’s doing a tremendous job of implementing the “We Not Me” culture, holding accountability to his players, upping the intensity of the offseason from years prior, and the football team (yeah, it’s the preseason) is showing signs of life — something that couldn’t have been said for McVay’s much older, much more experienced predecessor, Jeff Fisher, during his four year tenure with the team.

While McVay hasn’t earned the respect of Whitlock and Martz, and I’m sure he doesn’t care to, he’s earned it from his players and fellow coaches. And that’s what will truly matters.

Hopefully Whitlock and Martz will soon enjoy eating crow. How do reservations for Sunday, September 10 sound?
 
Huh? Kurt got hurt and fell off a cliff. How is that on Martz?

Rams could have easily won a second ring if the Pats didnt spygate their ass to death in a super bowl.

Martz was known for calling plays that would leave his Qb's wide open thus causing a higher probability of them getting killed. He was also known for not liking to run the ball which is why a lot of people blame him for loosing against the pats (think Pats vs Falcons... same shit).

You don't find it funny, he was never able to get another HC job and was pretty much run out of pro-football after his stints with the Lions and Bear?s
 
Martz was known for calling plays that would leave his Qb's wide open thus causing a higher probability of them getting killed. He was also known for not liking to run the ball which is why a lot of people blame him for loosing against the pats (think Pats vs Falcons... same shit).

You don't find it funny, he was never able to get another HC job and was pretty much run out of pro-football after his stints with the Lions and Bear?s
Come on man... The guy was architect of arguably the most explosive and dominant NFL offense in the history of the game. His coaching record is a very respectful 600+. His coaching style was NOTHING like the idiocy that cost Atlanta a super bowl. As for him coaching, he had a near 20 year career and continues to be sought after. He "retired" on his own terms and alot of the criticism came at a time when people thought Jay Cuntler was still a potential great QB and Martz was the reason he underachieved... Time has told us that it wasnt Martz that was the issue its just hat Cuntler was a ho. Now im not saying that Martz didnt run his welcome out at stops or that his offense wasnt pass heavy, but ignoring the contributions the guy made to the game is nonsense.. Injuries and Pats cheating are what robbed the Greatest Show on Turf from multiple super bowl wins... Not Martz.
 
The same Warner that took another team to the SB and could've very well won 3?
The same Kurt Warner that was bagging groceries before Martz made him a household name? Same KW that become a injury prone interception machine who could only play 8 games in two years after the Pats cheated them? Same Kurt Warner whose bad thumb got him run out of NY after that and who become a laughing stock in Arizona for 4 years before one fluke playoff run at 37 rescued his career? Same KW who singlehandedly blew that super bowl with a horrendous endzone to endzone pick 6??????????? Yea, that Kurt Warner.
 
Come on man... The guy was architect of arguably the most explosive and dominant NFL offense in the history of the game. His coaching record is a very respectful 600+. His coaching style was NOTHING like the idiocy that cost Atlanta a super bowl. As for him coaching, he had a near 20 year career and continues to be sought after. He "retired" on his own terms and alot of the criticism came at a time when people thought Jay Cuntler was still a potential great QB and Martz was the reason he underachieved... Time has told us that it wasnt Martz that was the issue its just hat Cuntler was a ho. Now im not saying that Martz didnt run his welcome out at stops or that his offense wasnt pass heavy, but ignoring the contributions the guy made to the game is nonsense.. Injuries and Pats cheating are what robbed the Greatest Show on Turf from multiple super bowl wins... Not Martz.

Exactly
And I don't like MARTZ AT ALL
but real is real
he engineered it.
And he didn't break Cutler
Cutler was trash his ENTIRE CAREER
when they say "potential" after having not done anything prior and after speaking on your potential you were just TRASH
face the facts.
 
Come on man... The guy was architect of arguably the most explosive and dominant NFL offense in the history of the game. His coaching record is a very respectful 600+. His coaching style was NOTHING like the idiocy that cost Atlanta a super bowl. As for him coaching, he had a near 20 year career and continues to be sought after. He "retired" on his own terms and alot of the criticism came at a time when people thought Jay Cuntler was still a potential great QB and Martz was the reason he underachieved... Time has told us that it wasnt Martz that was the issue its just hat Cuntler was a ho. Now im not saying that Martz didnt run his welcome out at stops or that his offense wasnt pass heavy, but ignoring the contributions the guy made to the game is nonsense.. Injuries and Pats cheating are what robbed the Greatest Show on Turf from multiple super bowl wins... Not Martz.


Exactly
And I don't like MARTZ AT ALL
but real is real
he engineered it.
And he didn't break Cutler
Cutler was trash his ENTIRE CAREER
when they say "potential" after having not done anything prior and after speaking on your potential you were just TRASH
face the facts.

Martz BROKE Cutler with that seven step drop of death offense and that swiss cheese offensive line.

Period.

Everything else said about Martz is debatable but he broke that nigga -who was coming off a pro bowl season before linking up with Martz.

Also, concerning him being an offensive mastermind, he suffered from the Phil Jackson Parodox; was he a great head coach, or did he just have Kurt Warner (MVP HOF) Marshall Faulk (MVP HOP) Orlando Pace (All-Pro HOF) Isaac Bruce (All-Pro future HOF) and Tort Holt (All- Pro future HOF) cause he didn't do shit with the bears or lions.


*two cents*
 
Martz BROKE Cutler with that seven step drop of death offense and that swiss cheese offensive line.

Period.

Everything else said about Martz is debatable but he broke that nigga -who was coming off a pro bowl season before linking up with Martz.

*two cents*

I don't understand why you want to stand on this hill
He didn't break Cutler. There was nothing to break. Cutler wasn't on his way to anything. He hadn't shown he was anything. He was a pretty good qb. and then as the years went on his play declined along with his interest level in actually playing football.
He was average at his height. Not a leader, not a super star, not a guy you could build an actual team around not a guy who was anything other than tall and white. Never learned to read a defense. Never learned to take care of the ball. Never learned any of the things that a QB is supposed to learn. Had no toughness no grit no determination few tangibles and no intangibles

a 7 step drop didn't make him that.
He was who he always was
Period.
 
I don't understand why you want to stand on this hill
He didn't break Cutler. There was nothing to break. Cutler wasn't on his way to anything. He hadn't shown he was anything. He was a pretty good qb. and then as the years went on his play declined along with his interest level in actually playing football.
He was average at his height. Not a leader, not a super star, not a guy you could build an actual team around not a guy who was anything other than tall and white. Never learned to read a defense. Never learned to take care of the ball. Never learned any of the things that a QB is supposed to learn. Had no toughness no grit no determination few tangibles and no intangibles

a 7 step drop didn't make him that.
He was who he always was
Period.

Fam....


I hate Jay Cutler.

But Martz broke him.

We agree to disagree on that point.

*two cents*
 
Martz BROKE Cutler with that seven step drop of death offense and that swiss cheese offensive line.

Period.

Everything else said about Martz is debatable but he broke that nigga -who was coming off a pro bowl season before linking up with Martz.



*two cents*

Jay Cuntlers record with Mike Martz= 18-7
Cuntlers record w/o Mike Martz= 39-54

Also, concerning him being an offensive mastermind, he suffered from the Phil Jackson Parodox; was he a great head coach, or did he just have Kurt Warner (MVP HOF) Marshall Faulk (MVP HOP) Orlando Pace (All-Pro HOF) Isaac Bruce (All-Pro future HOF) and Tort Holt (All- Pro future HOF) cause he didn't do shit with the bears or lions.
His coaching record is above 600. And what did all those HOF'ers do without Martz? You do remember Faulk was run out of Indy prior to right and Kurt was trash for 6 years until a fluke run in the desert with a prime Fitz to catch all his ducks? Look man, debating his impact on the league is imbecilic. It really speaks for itself.
 
I don't understand why you want to stand on this hill
He didn't break Cutler. There was nothing to break. Cutler wasn't on his way to anything. He hadn't shown he was anything. He was a pretty good qb. and then as the years went on his play declined along with his interest level in actually playing football.
He was average at his height. Not a leader, not a super star, not a guy you could build an actual team around not a guy who was anything other than tall and white. Never learned to read a defense. Never learned to take care of the ball. Never learned any of the things that a QB is supposed to learn. Had no toughness no grit no determination few tangibles and no intangibles

a 7 step drop didn't make him that.
He was who he always was
Period.


Jay Cuntlers record with Mike Martz= 18-7
Cuntlers record w/o Mike Martz= 39-54


His coaching record is above 600. And what did all those HOF'ers do without Martz? You do remember Faulk was run out of Indy prior to right and Kurt was trash for 6 years until a fluke run in the desert with a prime Fitz to catch all his ducks? Look man, debating his impact on the league is imbecilic. It really speaks for itself.

Cuntler didnt crack a 500 season until Martz.... Never cracked one after him either.

#MartzBrokeHim

From Wikipedia

"Martz was known for aggressive play-calling, and the calls for a pass-happy offense led to quarterback Jay Cutler getting repeatedly sacked. The issue caused Cutler to say to Martz "Tell him I said fuck him!" in a game against the Minnesota Vikings in 2011"

Plus...
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In the 2010 season Jay Cutler got sacked 52 times that year -the most he has in his whole career by almost 20 sacks- under Mike Martz. Not to mention all the times he got hit doing that 7 step drop fuck shit. The following 2011 season he only got sacked 23 times up til week 10 when he had a season ending injury- probably from all the hits. Mike Martz resigned afterwards.

So yeah...He broke Cutler.

#stats
#MartzDidBreakHim
#7stepdropofdeath

*two cents*

 
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From Wikipedia

"Martz was known for aggressive play-calling, and the calls for a pass-happy offense led to quarterback Jay Cutler getting repeatedly sacked. The issue caused Cutler to say to Martz "Tell him I said fuck him!" in a game against the Minnesota Vikings in 2011"

Plus...
PastelFriendlyIndochinahogdeer.gif

In the 2010 season Jay Cutler got sacked 52 times that year -the most he has in his whole career by almost 20 sacks- under Mike Martz. Not to mention all the times he got hit doing that 7 step drop fuck shit. The following 2011 season he only got sacked 23 times up til week 10 when he had a season ending injury. Mike Martz resigned afterwards.

So yeah...He broke Cutler.

#stats
#MartzDidBreakHim
#7stepdropofdeath

*two cents*

No. He. Didn't.
It just demonstrates how fucking soft Cutler is. he got sacked 53 times and it broke his entire career?
in your own quote the next year he was only sacked 23 times until week 10.
so his entire career was gone because he got sacked 1 year 53 times
where are the advanced stats on this because you know not every sack is cut and dry right? you know there are times where a qb is responsible for the sack. the line was fine. the play was fine and the qb didn't get rid of the ball right?


How about this stat
if Cutler plays over 10 games in a season he's throwing double digit interceptions.
What part did Mike Martz have in that?
 
Martz was known for calling plays that would leave his Qb's wide open thus causing a higher probability of them getting killed. He was also known for not liking to run the ball which is why a lot of people blame him for loosing against the pats (think Pats vs Falcons... same shit).

You don't find it funny, he was never able to get another HC job and was pretty much run out of pro-football after his stints with the Lions and Bear?s
And if you're an "offensive genius" and you have a team that doesn't have an All Pro WR you don't have the team trade the best receiving threat that they have. That's what Martz had in Greg Olson but because he can't figure out how to use a TE even one versatile enough to line up at WR you get the team to trade him.
And 10% of the Bears passing attempts under Martz ended in a sack.
 
Come on man... The guy was architect of arguably the most explosive and dominant NFL offense in the history of the game. His coaching record is a very respectful 600+. His coaching style was NOTHING like the idiocy that cost Atlanta a super bowl. As for him coaching, he had a near 20 year career and continues to be sought after. He "retired" on his own terms and alot of the criticism came at a time when people thought Jay Cuntler was still a potential great QB and Martz was the reason he underachieved... Time has told us that it wasnt Martz that was the issue its just hat Cuntler was a ho. Now im not saying that Martz didnt run his welcome out at stops or that his offense wasnt pass heavy, but ignoring the contributions the guy made to the game is nonsense.. Injuries and Pats cheating are what robbed the Greatest Show on Turf from multiple super bowl wins... Not Martz.

Look I get it. I was born and raised in St. Louis, so I am well aware of Kurt's and Martz's history in St. Louis. Yes, those three seasons from 1999-2001 were great seasons. But you don't really seem to acknowledge what he didn't do after Marc Bulger took over. When he had a chance to totally re-do the team and show he could be a successful head coach like his predecessor Dick Vermeil, it didn't happen. After the NY fiasco, with Warner, it was Bulger's team. Yes, they got in the playoffs a couple of time with Bugler but they couldn't get over the hump (and they damn sure wasn't breaking offensive records like they used too). For the record, I am not knocking Bulger, he was a good QB and a great successor to Warner, but he came in when the team started to decline.

I think the only reason why he got the Chicago job in the first place was because his ex-defensive coordinator was the head coach. I mean seriously, Chicago never ran the type of offense that Martz like to call. Do you really think the Bears was the best place for someone like Martz to go?

And the reason why he is not in football now is because he wanted to be a head coach and no one was trying to give him that position. He's an old white dude. How bad you have to be for a white coach not to get another shot at a HC position?
 
And if you're an "offensive genius" and you have a team that doesn't have an All Pro WR you don't have the team trade the best receiving threat that they have. That's what Martz had in Greg Olson but because he can't figure out how to use a TE even one versatile enough to line up at WR you get the team to trade him.
And 10% of the Bears passing attempts under Martz ended in a sack.
Thanks for the reminder. It was well known, Martz was allergic to tight ends for some reason. Greatest show on turf did not include any tight ends
 
so I am well aware of Kurt's and Martz's history in St. Louis. Yes, those three seasons from 1999-2001 were great seasons. But you don't really seem to acknowledge what he didn't do after Marc Bulger took over.
Yea i stopped reading right here... What he did wasnt merely great. What he did was historic and all time great. He immediately entered the discussion of best team and offense of ALL TIME. As for Bulger.... do yourself a favor and check his resume without Martz.. Then confirm if Martz didnt put up a 12 or 14 win season with Bulger (i cant remember off hand).. and then account for the fact that Faulk entered the running back dead man zone of 30 years old in year 4 which would account for the decrease in production along with KW becoming an injury proned interception machine. You guys are fucking bugging.
 
Yea i stopped reading right here... What he did wasnt merely great. What he did was historic and all time great. He immediately entered the discussion of best team and offense of ALL TIME. As for Bulger.... do yourself a favor and check his resume without Martz.. Then confirm if Martz didnt put up a 12 or 14 win season with Bulger (i cant remember off hand).. and then account for the fact that Faulk entered the running back dead man zone of 30 years old in year 4 which would account for the decrease in production along with KW becoming an injury proned interception machine. You guys are fucking bugging.
if you not going to read the entire post I wrote, then don't respond. I was very clear in what I wrote. For the record, he drafted a number of RB to replace Faulk..Trung Candidate, Arlen Harris, Lamar Gordon, and Steven Jackson.
 
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