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The Undefeated.com's List of 50 Greatest BLACK Athletes.

Day_Carver said:
Fitz over LT, Reggie white, deon, moon, Ronnie lot, Ray Lewis, OJ, etc etc:smh::smh:fuck outta here with that bullshit!!!
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ok you're just naming names for the sake of naming names. Nigga, we have only 50 slots to place the top 50 black athletes and you want to place moon there? Oj? Ronnie Lott? Cmon son
 
lurknomo said:
Sorry m not a NASCAR nor really a hockey guy who are these two?? and are they HoF worthy?
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Lewis Hamilton

He is the first and only Black Formula One driver (2007-present)
He is the Formula One all time points scorer (2,435)
Three time world Champion (2008, 2014, 2015)
Second all time in wins (57)
Won his first title in his second and missed by one point in his rookie year.
Has won a race in every season he's competed in.

Grant Fuhr

Former NHL goaltender (1981-2000)
First Black goaltender
First Black player to win a Stanley Cup
First Black player inducted into the hall of fame
Won 5 Championships
7 time All-Star
23 game undefeated streak (NHL record)
Single season assist record for a goaltender
Wayne Gretzky called him the greatest goaltender of all time
 
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Jeanyus said:
ok you're just naming names for the sake of naming names. Nigga, we have only 50 slots to place the top 50 black athletes and you want to place moon there? Oj? Ronnie Lott? Cmon son
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Ronnie Lot is considered arguably the best safety of all time, yes Im taking him over fucking Larry Fitz; Fitz isnt even in the top 5 of all time wrs, fuck outta here!!! Yes Lawrence Taylor and Reggie White and Deon Sanders and Ray Lewis can make a case for being the best defensive players of the era and of all time; you must be a young buck; Im not going to even discuss OJ with you....
 
Day_Carver said:
Ronnie Lot is considered arguably the best safety of all time, yes Im taking him over fucking Larry Fitz; Fitz isnt even in the top 5 of all time wrs, fuck outta here!!! Yes Lawrence Taylor and Reggie White and Deon Sanders and Ray Lewis can make a case for being the best defensive players of the era and of all time; you must be a young buck; Im not going to even discuss OJ with you....
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How does Fitz make this list man?????
 
WorldEX said:
list is bs without him
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Who is he?
 
Duece said:
Lewis Hamilton

He is the first and only Black Formula One driver (2007-present)
He is the Formula One all time points scorer (2,435)
Three time world Champion (2008, 2014, 2015)
Second all time in wins (57)
Won his first title in his second and missed by one point in his rookie year.
Has won a race in every season he's competed in.

Grant Fuhr

Former NHL goaltender (1981-2000)
First Black goaltender
First Black player to win a Stanley Cup
First Black player inducted into the hall of fame
Won 5 Championships
7 time All-Star
23 game undefeated streak (NHL record)
Single season assist record for a goaltender
Wayne Gretzky called him the greatest goaltender of all time
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Man driving a car isn't a sport...
 
Duece said:
So do you think you can drive a formula one car?

Can you even complete one clean lap in an open wheel car in a sim racing game with wheel and pedals?
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i can't conduct open heart surgery either so does that make that a sport too!?!?!
Not a whole lot of sense being made by you right now chief.... Come again... :rolleyes:
 
Duece said:
I asked you a question
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I actually answered you question....
....and as I said, you are making less than no sense...
Driving a car fast is not a sport... But hey, if I'm wrong, educate me.
Break it down... Take your time and gather your thoughts. I'll wait :popcorn:
 
IT IS WHAT IT IS said:
I actually answered you question....
....and as I said, you are making less than no sense...
Driving a car fast is not a sport... But hey, if I'm wrong, educate me.
Break it down... Take your time and gather your thoughts. I'll wait :popcorn:
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No you didn't, you made a snap judgement about something you know nothing about.
 
Duece said:
No you didn't, you made a snap judgement about something you know nothing about.
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It actually wasn't a snap judgement, and you STILL haven't invalidated my contention that driving a car fast is not a sport... Also, I do know about drive no a car really fast. I've driven really fast recently actually...

The fact that you are struggling with the notion that I immediately answered your question in my follow up post to you is really troubling but that's an issue you have that you have to live with...

So again, offer some intelligent proof to my contention that driving a car really fast is not a sport, since that statement I made seems to have you disheveled.... :popcorn:
 
IT IS WHAT IT IS said:
It actually wasn't a snap judgement, and you STILL haven't invalidated my contention that driving a car fast is not a sport... Also, I do know about drive no a car really fast. I've driven really fast recently actually...

The fact that you are struggling with the notion that I immediately answered your question in my follow up post to you is really troubling but that's an issue you have that you have to live with...

So again, offer some intelligent proof to my contention that driving a car really fast is not a sport, since that statement I made seems to have you disheveled.... :popcorn:
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There is nothing that you are saying that has me disheveled or struggling, you are just going into long winded, typo ridden replies in an attempt to make yourself sound smarter.

Saying that motorsports is nothing more than driving a car really fast is like saying football nothing more than carrying a bag of air up and down a grass field.

Anybody can drive a car fast, not everybody can maneuver a 900 to 1000 hp car for up to 2 hours, while trying to cleanly pass 19 other cars on the track and attempting to manage fuel, brakes and tires in temperatures up to 130 degrees fahrenheit.

If you can do that, you don't need to be on BGOL, you should have a seat in F1
 
Duece said:
There is nothing that you are saying that has me disheveled or struggling, you are just going into long winded, typo ridden replies in an attempt to make yourself sound smarter.

Saying that motorsports is nothing more than driving a car really fast is like saying football nothing more than carrying a bag of air up and down a grass field.

Anybody can drive a car fast, not everybody can maneuver a 900 to 1000 hp car for up to 2 hours, while trying to cleanly pass 19 other cars on the track and attempting to manage fuel, brakes and tires in temperatures up to 130 degrees fahrenheit.

If you can do that, you don't need to be on BGOL, you should have a seat in F1
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Maneuvering a car does not make it a sport. Your attempt to validate it by referencing football shows you are still struggling to gather your thoughts and are still not making any sense whatsoever....

If I'm off balance, please educate me. What does playing football and driving a car really fast have in common which inclines you to try to use football to validate your point? What is the parallel between driving a car really fast and running with or throwing a football?

So, based on what you are saying, being an airplane pilot is a sport? How about a cruise ship captain? A forklift driver? An astronaut?

So, all those things qualify as a sport too? Huh? :popcorn:
 
Duece said:
I've wasted enough time with you.
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As expected, you have absolutely nothing of substance to respond with so your last response was actually a great idea. Nice tap out though, glad to see you realized you were embarrassing yourself. I was actually done, started feeling sorry for you. Hate to see someone struggle with a basic question like that...

Have a good one chief, and stop fooling yourself, driving a car really fast is not a sport... :D
 
IT IS WHAT IT IS said:
As expected, you have absolutely nothing of substance to respond with so your last response was actually a great idea. Nice tap out though, glad to see you realized you were embarrassing yourself. I was actually done, started feeling sorry for you. Hate to see someone struggle with a basic question like that...

Have a good one chief, and stop fooling yourself, driving a car really fast is not a sport... :D
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Congrats on your internet victory.
 
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Duece said:
Congrats on your internet victory.
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I never count a 'victory' when engaging in a dialog with someone with limited intelligence Bruh. The fact that you struggled to answer a basic question while being all disheveled brought a lot of sympathy for you. All good though, I apologize for contributing to your struggle.

If it makes you feel better, driving a car really fast is an actual sport, because they show it and talk about it on ESPN. It's right up there with playing Poker as a sport. They show that on ESPN as well :cheers:
 
Duece said:
Not including Tiger Woods on a list of the 50 Greatest Black Athletes is beyond an oversight — it’s an injustice

https://theundefeated.com/features/...ot-including-tiger-woods-oversight-injustice/

Let’s get something straight: Any ranking of the greatest black athletes ever that doesn’t include Tiger Woods is not something I can get behind. This list, the result of public responses to surveysconducted by SurveyMonkey for The Undefeated, could be called “50 Great Athletes People Admire Most” or “Americans’ 50 Favorite Black Athletes.” But it ain’t a credible list of the greatest if it doesn’t include Tiger.

You can dislike Tiger and you can dislike golf, but if you fail to acknowledge his competitive brilliance, his dominance of the oldest sport on the planet, his impact culturally, athletically and economically, then you should recuse yourself from weighing in on an effort to rank the greatest black athletes. There’s no responsible definition of “great” in the context of sports that Tiger Woods doesn’t fit. Any conversation that isn’t driven by personal agenda couldn’t put him any lower than 10th.

Dumping on Tiger became a sport sometime around Thanksgiving 2009, and it hasn’t let up. Surely, some of the folks surveyed hold it against him because of his salacious infidelities, others because he called himself “Cablinasian” or whatever that was 20 years ago, others because he married a white woman, others because his body broke down and he couldn’t catch Jack Nicklaus, others because he didn’t play football or baseball but made more money than anybody who ever played either. Tiger, even more than being one of the most accomplished and decorated athletes who has ever lived, is the greatest lightning rod sports has seen since a young Ali.

But none of that speaks to the criteria. Eldrick Woods is (or was) otherworldly great, and he’s black (or as black as some other people on that list). If it’s easier for people to list, when asked, Gabby Douglas or Simone Biles, go right ahead. They’re great and black AND admirable, and there’s not one reason to object to either. But if you think either — or the great Herschel Walker, for that matter — has had 1/100th the impact of Tiger Woods the golfer, then you’re delusional.

I have five personal heroes who made the list, four of them childhood idols (Gale Sayers, Ernie Banks, Arthur Ashe and Walter Payton) and one who is to this very day one of my adult heroes, a man whose career I covered and whose life is exemplary (David Robinson). But I wouldn’t try to make the case that any one of those five was the best ever in the sport he played (well, maybe Payton) or created the drama week after week after week for more than a decade that Tiger did … or dramatically altered his sport the way Tiger did, or redefined what a participant in that sport can look like the way Tiger did.

I’d like to say that his résumé needs no review, but clearly (and sadly) from the results of this flawed exercise, it does. At age 20 he became the first man to win three consecutive U.S. amateur titles. Without having played a single tournament as a professional, he signed the most lucrative endorsement contracts in golf history (and if you think Nike pays hundreds of millions to nonathletes, go ahead and keep deluding yourself). He was the youngest to win the Masters, the fastest ever to ascend to No. 1 in the World Golf Rankings and, at 24, the youngest to win the career Grand Slam. You know how many people have twice been named Sports Illustrated’s Sportsman of the Year? One. Tiger Woods. Not Jordan, not Ali — Tiger freakin’ Woods.

He held down the No. 1 ranking for 281 consecutive weeks, which is to say five-plus years. The Associated Press named him Male Athlete of the Year a record four times. Not Tom Brady, Tiger Woods. Golf, whether we’re talking prize money, TV ratings or weekend hacker participation, shot to the heavens when Tiger came aboard, and they’re sinking like a stone now that he’s gone. Nike, in the context of golf, was a startup company, and Tiger made it the worldwide leader in golf apparel. When he limped out of contention, Nike waved bye-bye to the business of making clubs and balls. Buick was so convinced that Tiger’s association with its cars spiked their sales, the company signed him to a $40 million endorsement deal.

You want to define Tiger Woods by competitive impact: Only Sarazen, Hogan, Player and Nicklaus have all won the four major championships that constitute the Grand Slam. And only Tiger has won all four consecutively.

You want to define Tiger by economic impact: Forbes says only Oprah Winfrey, among people of color, is richer. Golf Digest reported he made nearly $770 million and will soon pass $1 billion. You want cultural impact? Every time he tees it up, even the people who were too dumb to appreciate him from 1996 to 2007 are now begging for a comeback because they realize, as every business in the golf industry does, that Rory and Jordan and DJ and all the young guys put together can’t add up to half of Tiger Woods. He’s still the world’s most recognizable golfer, the world’s richest and most celebrated golfer. Bo Jackson, who made the list, spends most every day of every week of his second life trying to be like Tiger.

And while it’s difficult at best for most folks to muster up any admiration for Tiger these days, what the folks who participated in the survey collectively also fail to acknowledge is that Tiger conquered a sport that directed a whole lot of hostility his way. He wasn’t Jackie Robinson, but it wasn’t like he was walking into an NBA arena every night, especially his first two or three years on tour.

In the context of how we measure athletes, there’s no category in which Tiger Woods comes up short. He’s either the second greatest person to ever compete in his sport (to Nicklaus) or No. 1. The other people who qualify for that discussion in their respective sports (Jim Brown, Jordan, Magic, Bill Russell, Ali, Joe Louis, Serena Williams, Jackie Joyner-Kersee, Carl Lewis, Usain Bolt, LeBron) are all included.

Woods being left off is a glaring omission, one that undermines the intelligence and wisdom of thousands and thousands of survey respondents. Kobe Bryant being left off is a head-shaker — so is Mike Tyson — and Jack Johnson is nearly as egregious an error as Woods. The international search to find somebody to beat Johnson is the origin of the phrase “great white hope.” His July 4, 1910, victory over Jim Jeffries in the “Fight of the Century” ignited race riots in more than a dozen cities. No black (or white) athlete since has had that kind of cultural impact nationally. You can’t make the argument that Joe Frazier is greater than Jack Johnson. But I’m willing to believe you have to be nearly 60 years old to have any idea of how important Johnson was not just to blacks and athletes but to the United States early in the 20th century.

You can’t even tell the story of the black athlete in America without serious examination of Johnson. And you can’t carry the discussion into the 21st century, no matter how young you are, without including the incomparable achievements of a black man who, like Johnson, was a first: Tiger Woods.
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Tiger Woods said he was not strictly black though. So he should feel disrespected to be included if he is standing on his point about his ethnicity.
 
tallblacknyc said:
you can't list the best athlete's in an order you can only name the top 50 dominant players..for instance serena is god in her sport..so was tiger woods..they single handed change the game, make it bigger, more popular, and were the biggest entity of their sport... tyson was also on that level during his prime and change the heavyweight division...mayweather even though i'm not a fan, from the economics of the game, to payperviews viewership, to him being undefeated he def is a standout in the game...u have to consider gamechangers, skill level, dominance, importance to each sport..the fact that 3 out of the 4 i juss posted about didn't make the list is shameful and idiotic

i juss notice wilt and pele aren't even in mention in the top 10 let alone top 20 which is pure blasphemy...pele created a fucking type of shot..talk about gamechanger
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Some don't seem to understand that basketball and the world actually existed long before they were born. Every time they do a survey of this type the real game changers never get ranked within the top ten.

Jordan won 6 championships, Bill Russell won eleven yet Russell rarely gets mention but Jordan is the best thing since the orgasm. That listing is bogus even based upon their criteria.
 
Art Vandelay said:
People actually laugh at Tiger Woods going through a tough time and getting arrested because of a statement he made about his multiracial background in his early 20s. The way some of you deal with biracial people is some true plantation shit. Tiger may have been wrong about some shit 20 years ago but the hatred-- and I mean that word literally when people take joy in him getting arrested and defamed-- is much more ignorant.
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Get all the way the fuck outta here with that bullshit. So I'm ignorant because I called him out on some bullshit about him not acknowledging himself as a black man but when I laugh at the police putting his face down as black (like everyone else knew) I'm the the bad guy?
 
Why do people keep naming Tiger Woods?!
Since when are golfers Athletes?!

Still a bullshit list though.

And the title should just say "Athlete", not "Black Athlete", and it would still be an all black list.
No white athlete would make the list out of top 50.​
 
God Dammit said:
Why do people keep naming Tiger Woods?!
Since when are golfers Athletes?!

Still a bullshit list though.

And the title should just say "Athlete", not "Black Athlete", and it would still be an all black list.
No white athlete would make the list out of top 50.​
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golf is a sport..not everybody has the ability to swing the club with power or hit with accuracy..it may not be ur kinda thing but u need to acknowledge the skillset, the money, the fanbase
 

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