Game Of Thrones: The Sopranos with swords or Dynasty in chainmail?
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It's not that hard to explain.
Arya could not replicate all of Walder Frey's mannerisms & match his voice perfectly... just by simply wearing a 'mask of his flesh'.
So there's definitely some type of supernatural (faceless man) magic involved in the whole transformation process.
It's more than just disguising their face... seems more like they (temporarily) might absorb a person's whole mind, body & soul. (Keyword: might
)However, when you only have a limited amount of time every episode... the 'face' itself is just a visual metaphor (or 'plot device') to explain the whole 'process' very quickly & easily to the viewing audience... without having to get really bogged down in all the 'fine details' that might require extensive amounts of CGI to produce an effect that looks similar to Bruce Banner whenever he transforms into the Hulk, just to please a few nitpicky fans.
And judging from the 'level of quality' of the show... if they are going to show how the whole 'transformation' actually happens... they are going to 'do it right'... and put some serious time & effort into it.
Think about this also... the Showrunners have said it is too costly & time consuming just to add more Direwolf scenes... in addition to the Dragons.
(The basic '3D models' of the Wolves & Dragons can be reused for multiple scenes... but if someone is 'transforming' into an old man, or a young girl, or a soldier, or an old woman, or a totally different ethnicity... each individual 'transformation' probably requires a unique CGI special effect applied to various parts of the body to account for height / weight / skin tone / wrinkles, etc. And that's a lot of 'green screens', rotoscoping, 3D modeling, camera close-ups, latex skin, make-up artistry & reshoots... Which can be VERY time consuming.)
So if the Producers have to choose between spending their (limited) time & resources on bringing difficult CGI animations to life for the Direwolves, the Dragons, or the 'Transformation Process of a Faceless Man'.... then I think the Wolves & Dragons are easily going to get the most attention... because they are much more compelling to the majority of the audience (and more important) in terms of moving MULTIPLE storylines forward, all at the same time.
Pretty sure they could 'go in depth' about how it all works... it's just a matter if they want to 'sacrifice' doing more stuff with the Direwolves, or Dragons later on.
Just my opinion.
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It's not that hard to explain.
Arya could not replicate all of Walder Frey's mannerisms & match his voice perfectly... just by simply wearing a 'mask of his flesh'.
So there's definitely some type of supernatural (faceless man) magic involved in the whole transformation process.
It's more than just disguising their face... seems more like they (temporarily) might absorb a person's whole mind, body & soul. (Keyword: might
However, when you only have a limited amount of time every episode... the 'face' itself is just a visual metaphor (or 'plot device') to explain the whole 'process' very quickly & easily to the viewing audience... without having to get really bogged down in all the 'fine details' that might require extensive amounts of CGI to produce an effect that looks similar to Bruce Banner whenever he transforms into the Hulk, just to please a few nitpicky fans.
And judging from the 'level of quality' of the show... if they are going to show how the whole 'transformation' actually happens... they are going to 'do it right'... and put some serious time & effort into it.
Think about this also... the Showrunners have said it is too costly & time consuming just to add more Direwolf scenes... in addition to the Dragons.
So if the Producers have to choose between spending their (limited) time & resources on bringing difficult CGI animations to life for the Direwolves, the Dragons, or the 'Transformation Process of a Faceless Man'.... then I think the Wolves & Dragons are easily going to get the most attention... because they are much more compelling to the majority of the audience (and more important) in terms of moving MULTIPLE storylines forward, all at the same time.
Pretty sure they could 'go in depth' about how it all works... it's just a matter if they want to 'sacrifice' doing more stuff with the Direwolves, or Dragons later on.
Just my opinion.
I would buy all of that if she didn't pull off the face like a regular mask every time
I think in a non-surprise battle of foot soldiers, with no "air support" the army would win 7 times out of 10 because shit like formations and strategy, and armor tend to win. They'd take great losses but win. On horses those dothraki are mean as fuck so riding I would it give to them.
Unsullied I'm not sure about. They probably have more discipline than anybody and they are devoted to the queen... And have no dicks so they probably like fuck it
...but their main weapons are spears and I don't like that.
Unsullied I'm not sure about. They probably have more discipline than anybody and they are devoted to the queen... And have no dicks so they probably like fuck it
...but their main weapons are spears and I don't like that.
not to say it isn't possible...but that wouldn't "fulfill" the little brother 'prophecy' that we have tho
^^^ Exactly.
That's exactly what I'm saying. We're on the same page.
I'm saying its MUCH EASIER to have the faceless men just pull a simple mask off their face... INSTEAD of showing 'highly detailed' special effects that involve a complete change in height, weight, skin color, wrinkles, etc. like you would see when Bruce Banner changes into the Hulk, in a Marvel movie.
The mask itself is just a 'visual metaphor' that quickly indicates a complete (supernatural) body transformation.
That's probably WHY they just do it this way (to save time & money)... and just let the "viewer's imagination" fill in the blanks.
It only takes a few hours to make a custom latex mask... But it takes weeks (or months) to sit in front of a computer & render 'movie quality' special effects that could accomplish the same thing, in terms of storytelling.
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Where's episode 5 at?
Am I the only one who had to remind himself that tonight's episode isn't episode 5? Damn leak done for me fiending for the next episode but it's so epic that I'll still watch tonight's viewing as if it's brand new and never seen yet
And have no dicks so they probably like fuck it
It's spectacular!
Game of Thrones cinematographer teases two “surprising and epic” and "crowd-pleasing" episodes ahead
Robert McLachlan reveals that episode four will "impress people", while episode five is "very satisfying"
By Thomas Ling
Tuesday 1 August 2017 at 3:00PM
Game of Thrones fans: we’re in for a treat. Yes, we already knew that from glimpses of dragon-filled skies and fiery battlefields in the season seven trailers, but now RadioTimes.com has been given a few more clues about what’s to come after speaking to Robert McLachlan, an award-winning Thrones cinematographer who worked on a pair of upcoming episodes. And they sound incredible.
Although naturally tight-lipped about exact details, McLachlan dropped potential hints of a White Walker battle towards the season’s close and teased that we’re in for a treat from a “surprising and epic” episode four and a “very satisfying” and "crowd-pleasing" episode five.
He told us: “I’m extremely pleased with them. Four is definitely going to impress people and five I especially like too – there are some lovely crowd-pleasing scenes in it.”
He went on to say episode four was his favourite of the two, hinting “it was really hard work – uncommonly hard work. It was the toughest one I’ve done of the eight episodes I’ve worked on.”
So, what will the “surprising and epic” episode four feature? Perhaps a battle further south featuring some unexpected characters? Could the “surprising” element be the death of a major player in brutal Thrones style? #PleaseNotTyrion
And, arguably more interesting, what will happen in the “very satisfying” and “crowd-pleasing” episode five? Well we may just have another clue to that. McLachlan revealed that David Nutter had originally been scheduled to direct episode four and five, but after undergoing back surgery he was replaced by Thrones newbie Matt Shakman. Nutter’s original hiring might offer a hint at what's to come.
Although we can’t be sure what made Nutter the showrunner’s first pick for this episode, a look into the Citadel’s vaults/previous Thrones episodes may shed some light. Nutter has a track record for directing massive moments in the show, but particularly those gasp-inducing and slower-paced scenes. Nutter was selected to commit the Red Wedding to film in series two, plus Cersei’s walk of atonement and the burning of Stannis’ daughter at the stake in season five. All incredibly powerful scenes, yes, but not of the scale of Battle of The Bastards, for instance.
So we have to ask what “crowd-pleasing” moments await that could suit Nutter’s portfolio. Could we be in for another Stark family reunion? The return of Gendry? Do we even dare to dream of that elusive Cleganebowl?
However, while Nutter is known to make the best of emotional scenes, he’s also proved adept at portraying one of the most important elements of the show: Dragons. He helmed season five’s The Dance of Dragons where Drogon rescues Daenerys from Daznak's Pit, and the preceding episode where the same dragon delivers the Khaleesi to the Dothraki Sea.
Could it be that Nutter was originally hired for both sides of his Thrones skillset? Can we guess showrunners that David Benioff and Dan Weiss decided the director would be perfect to helm an “epic” dragon battle in his first episode, then follow its emotional aftermath in episode five? Or should we have learnt from Stannis that predicting the future of The Seven Kingdoms never ends well?
Whatever answers await, we've only got a few weeks before they're revealed.
Robert McLachlan reveals that episode four will "impress people", while episode five is "very satisfying"
By Thomas Ling
Tuesday 1 August 2017 at 3:00PM
Game of Thrones fans: we’re in for a treat. Yes, we already knew that from glimpses of dragon-filled skies and fiery battlefields in the season seven trailers, but now RadioTimes.com has been given a few more clues about what’s to come after speaking to Robert McLachlan, an award-winning Thrones cinematographer who worked on a pair of upcoming episodes. And they sound incredible.
Although naturally tight-lipped about exact details, McLachlan dropped potential hints of a White Walker battle towards the season’s close and teased that we’re in for a treat from a “surprising and epic” episode four and a “very satisfying” and "crowd-pleasing" episode five.
He told us: “I’m extremely pleased with them. Four is definitely going to impress people and five I especially like too – there are some lovely crowd-pleasing scenes in it.”
He went on to say episode four was his favourite of the two, hinting “it was really hard work – uncommonly hard work. It was the toughest one I’ve done of the eight episodes I’ve worked on.”
So, what will the “surprising and epic” episode four feature? Perhaps a battle further south featuring some unexpected characters? Could the “surprising” element be the death of a major player in brutal Thrones style? #PleaseNotTyrion
And, arguably more interesting, what will happen in the “very satisfying” and “crowd-pleasing” episode five? Well we may just have another clue to that. McLachlan revealed that David Nutter had originally been scheduled to direct episode four and five, but after undergoing back surgery he was replaced by Thrones newbie Matt Shakman. Nutter’s original hiring might offer a hint at what's to come.
Although we can’t be sure what made Nutter the showrunner’s first pick for this episode, a look into the Citadel’s vaults/previous Thrones episodes may shed some light. Nutter has a track record for directing massive moments in the show, but particularly those gasp-inducing and slower-paced scenes. Nutter was selected to commit the Red Wedding to film in series two, plus Cersei’s walk of atonement and the burning of Stannis’ daughter at the stake in season five. All incredibly powerful scenes, yes, but not of the scale of Battle of The Bastards, for instance.
So we have to ask what “crowd-pleasing” moments await that could suit Nutter’s portfolio. Could we be in for another Stark family reunion? The return of Gendry? Do we even dare to dream of that elusive Cleganebowl?
However, while Nutter is known to make the best of emotional scenes, he’s also proved adept at portraying one of the most important elements of the show: Dragons. He helmed season five’s The Dance of Dragons where Drogon rescues Daenerys from Daznak's Pit, and the preceding episode where the same dragon delivers the Khaleesi to the Dothraki Sea.
Could it be that Nutter was originally hired for both sides of his Thrones skillset? Can we guess showrunners that David Benioff and Dan Weiss decided the director would be perfect to helm an “epic” dragon battle in his first episode, then follow its emotional aftermath in episode five? Or should we have learnt from Stannis that predicting the future of The Seven Kingdoms never ends well?
Whatever answers await, we've only got a few weeks before they're revealed.
Mufucka got Jackie Childs up in here
It's spectacular!Game of Thrones cinematographer teases two “surprising and epic” and "crowd-pleasing" episodes ahead
Robert McLachlan reveals that episode four will "impress people", while episode five is "very satisfying"
By Thomas Ling
Tuesday 1 August 2017 at 3:00PM
Game of Thrones fans: we’re in for a treat. Yes, we already knew that from glimpses of dragon-filled skies and fiery battlefields in the season seven trailers, but now RadioTimes.com has been given a few more clues about what’s to come after speaking to Robert McLachlan, an award-winning Thrones cinematographer who worked on a pair of upcoming episodes. And they sound incredible.
Although naturally tight-lipped about exact details, McLachlan dropped potential hints of a White Walker battle towards the season’s close and teased that we’re in for a treat from a “surprising and epic” episode four and a “very satisfying” and "crowd-pleasing" episode five.
He told us: “I’m extremely pleased with them. Four is definitely going to impress people and five I especially like too – there are some lovely crowd-pleasing scenes in it.”
He went on to say episode four was his favourite of the two, hinting “it was really hard work – uncommonly hard work. It was the toughest one I’ve done of the eight episodes I’ve worked on.”
So, what will the “surprising and epic” episode four feature? Perhaps a battle further south featuring some unexpected characters? Could the “surprising” element be the death of a major player in brutal Thrones style? #PleaseNotTyrion
And, arguably more interesting, what will happen in the “very satisfying” and “crowd-pleasing” episode five? Well we may just have another clue to that. McLachlan revealed that David Nutter had originally been scheduled to direct episode four and five, but after undergoing back surgery he was replaced by Thrones newbie Matt Shakman. Nutter’s original hiring might offer a hint at what's to come.
Although we can’t be sure what made Nutter the showrunner’s first pick for this episode, a look into the Citadel’s vaults/previous Thrones episodes may shed some light. Nutter has a track record for directing massive moments in the show, but particularly those gasp-inducing and slower-paced scenes. Nutter was selected to commit the Red Wedding to film in series two, plus Cersei’s walk of atonement and the burning of Stannis’ daughter at the stake in season five. All incredibly powerful scenes, yes, but not of the scale of Battle of The Bastards, for instance.
So we have to ask what “crowd-pleasing” moments await that could suit Nutter’s portfolio. Could we be in for another Stark family reunion? The return of Gendry? Do we even dare to dream of that elusive Cleganebowl?
However, while Nutter is known to make the best of emotional scenes, he’s also proved adept at portraying one of the most important elements of the show: Dragons. He helmed season five’s The Dance of Dragons where Drogon rescues Daenerys from Daznak's Pit, and the preceding episode where the same dragon delivers the Khaleesi to the Dothraki Sea.
Could it be that Nutter was originally hired for both sides of his Thrones skillset? Can we guess showrunners that David Benioff and Dan Weiss decided the director would be perfect to helm an “epic” dragon battle in his first episode, then follow its emotional aftermath in episode five? Or should we have learnt from Stannis that predicting the future of The Seven Kingdoms never ends well?
Whatever answers await, we've only got a few weeks before they're revealed.
Shes always used body doubles. Walk of shame was cgi head on body double as well .
u could b right but why at this point...
didnt we already c her neked ...?
I think that his childrens book contributed to some of those rumors.
True but since he's already resurrected giants, an ice dragon not too far fetched considering all the mysticism in play
Yea, the stampede and hearing those dragon shrieks (before even seeing the dragon) shook the fuck out of the Lannister/Tarly army. Danny knows how to make a motherfuckin entrace
Arya is QUICK as fuck. She had Brienne (who's more than capable of taking on the Mountain) bested (kill strike range) within the 1st couple moves. The Mountain would never see it coming. For example, she could slit his throat or behead him in his sleep. So many ways a master assassin can take out a half-dead knight
Ok, unsanctioned cool ass posters aside, Drogon was hit with a weapon called the scorpion, whose name implies that the arrows MIGHTbe laced with poison, causing a slow death for the Night King to have a new Wight Dragon if the body is not burned by his brothers. Only theory tho.
On the honor of Missandei's newly plump ass, I did NOT read the scripts that were recently leaked because I enjoy seeing if theories come true or not. IMHO, reading the scripts ahead to intentionally pass off spoiler hints would be a dick move and besides, that defeats the purpose of making predictions based on subtle clues shown
On the honor of Missandei's newly plump ass, I did NOT read the scripts that were recently leaked because I enjoy seeing if theories come true or not. IMHO, reading the scripts ahead to intentionally pass off spoiler hints would be a dick move and besides, that defeats the purpose of making predictions based on subtle clues shown
dany not a bad looking chick. she used to be plan jane to me before...maybe its the assertiveness lately.
Random question for the gif makers:
Can we get a compilation of gifs of every time someone was talking to a person sitting on a throne and stupidly thought they could just walk up there only for the queen's bodyguard to quickly check them.
Just off the top, I remember Hizdahr zo Loraq getting check by Grey Worm in Mareen, Euron getting checked by the Mountain, and Jon getting checked by the Unsullied. There are probably more that I'm leaving out.
You would think by now people would realize you can't just walk up to the throne like you own the place.
Can we get a compilation of gifs of every time someone was talking to a person sitting on a throne and stupidly thought they could just walk up there only for the queen's bodyguard to quickly check them.
Just off the top, I remember Hizdahr zo Loraq getting check by Grey Worm in Mareen, Euron getting checked by the Mountain, and Jon getting checked by the Unsullied. There are probably more that I'm leaving out.
You would think by now people would realize you can't just walk up to the throne like you own the place.
Its not just the face that changes. I'm thinking the "changing of face" is figurative and not limited to the face being worn since it appeared that Arya had all of Walder Frey's physical characteristics, not just his face. Those were not younger smaller hands when she raised the glass
Also, going back to season 5, Jaquen also had a change of physical build when wore the face of a stocky African man. Being faceless, is not limited to the face change only. Everything else that morphs along with the face is mystical.
ya I have no problem suspending disbelief to accept that...was just thinking out loud if there was an actual "science" to it while wondering if she could assume jamie's form
Respectfully, I'm leaving the spoiler tags on till the 10PM EST
So, why did,,,
So, why did,,,
Arya give LF that long stern stare? Refresh my memory
I was like this dude
Didn't know that, and didn't really care. But they should use a body double with a better body
I've noticed it since she came out the fire naked
That's why I thought he was on her list, but I guess she doesn't know about his involvement
she was in king's landing w/ the pops...maybe she remembered something from back then...I can't remember if she heard his name while on her travels
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some are saying the time when she served tywin lannister...littlefinger was there to visit once...I vaguely remember that...looking for the vid
this vid raises more questions tho...I set it to play when he is announced...look @ how she tenses @ the name...I'm tryna to remember how is she familiar w/ him...anyway this vid could be enough for us to see why she's @ least now leery of him
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I think in a non-surprise battle of foot soldiers, with no "air support" the army would win 7 times out of 10 because shit like formations and strategy, and armor tend to win. They'd take great losses but win. On horses those dothraki are mean as fuck so riding I would it give to them.
Unsullied I'm not sure about. They probably have more discipline than anybody and they are devoted to the queen... And have no dicks so they probably like fuck it
Dothraki want no parts of Unsullied. They know how they get down
3,000 unsullied held off hordes of Dothraki in Essos
3,000 Unsullied defeated a horde of 20,000 Dothraki and Daenerys has about 8,000 Unsullied under her command. It's why only a small squadron of Unsullied were sent to sack Casterly Rock before it was known that most of the Lannister Army went to siege High Garden
Because Littlefinger was trying act like her StepDad... by standing next to Sansa and watching them practice combat in the courtyard below... just like Ned Stark used to do with Lady Stark at his side. 
Littlefinger was standing in Ned's regular spot.
And it's the same spot HIS dad before him stood in also. (i.e. Rickard Stark) And all their ancestors before them.
And it's the same spot that Bran & the 3-eyed Raven stood in.
In fact, that WHOLE BALCONY prolly has the name STARK branded deeply into the wooden floorboards.
If you ever go up there (and yo name ain't Stark)... keep it moving. Don't stand still. Don't daydream. Don't Lollygag. Don't watch nobody below. Get ta stepping. ASAP. Keep it clear, like a fire truck lane.
That's where the 'bosses' of family Stark chill out.
That's like walking into Sam's Bar on the tv show "Cheers"... and sitting down on Cliff or Norm's favorite barstool. If you a visitor / extra on the show, you grab a booth in the back. Or a small table, near the front door. 
Where nobody notices you.
Shit is mad disrespectful.
That shit pissed Arya off.
(Don't stand up there and 'watch over me'... like you Ned Stark himself, nucca... and Sansa 'posed to be Catelyn Tully. FOH)
That's probably why Sansa skated off real quick... so she wouldn't hit Arya's last nerves.
Arya gave Littlefinger that stare like.. "Look muhfuka, if you wanna watch sumthin... pay homage from ground-level, like everyone else does. Go stand next to Podrick, or some shit. Don't be looming over the balcony, like you 'running shit', playboy. This ain't The Vale, nigga. This is Winterfell, Bitch. And I'm not Roby Arryn... So you not the boss of me. Don't nod, or wink at me from up there, nigga. Put some respeck on that balcony... Or I will stab you in the face. Please Believe. Oh yeah... Lemme find out you haven't officially 'bent the knee' yet, for my brother Jon... AND ITs ON SIGHT, NIGGA. On e'rything I Love. "
Littlefinger was standing in Ned's regular spot.
And it's the same spot HIS dad before him stood in also. (i.e. Rickard Stark) And all their ancestors before them.
And it's the same spot that Bran & the 3-eyed Raven stood in.
In fact, that WHOLE BALCONY prolly has the name STARK branded deeply into the wooden floorboards.
If you ever go up there (and yo name ain't Stark)... keep it moving.
Don't stand still. Don't daydream. Don't Lollygag. Don't watch nobody below. Get ta stepping. ASAP. Keep it clear, like a fire truck lane.That's where the 'bosses' of family Stark chill out.
That's like walking into Sam's Bar on the tv show "Cheers"... and sitting down on Cliff or Norm's favorite barstool.
If you a visitor / extra on the show, you grab a booth in the back. Or a small table, near the front door. Where nobody notices you.Shit is mad disrespectful.
That shit pissed Arya off.
(Don't stand up there and 'watch over me'... like you Ned Stark himself, nucca... and Sansa 'posed to be Catelyn Tully.
FOH)That's probably why Sansa skated off real quick... so she wouldn't hit Arya's last nerves.
Arya gave Littlefinger that stare like.. "Look muhfuka, if you wanna watch sumthin... pay homage from ground-level, like everyone else does.
Go stand next to Podrick, or some shit. Don't be looming over the balcony, like you 'running shit', playboy. This ain't The Vale, nigga. This is Winterfell, Bitch. And I'm not Roby Arryn... So you not the boss of me. Don't nod, or wink at me from up there, nigga. Put some respeck on that balcony... Or I will stab you in the face. Please Believe. Oh yeah... Lemme find out you haven't officially 'bent the knee' yet, for my brother Jon... AND ITs ON SIGHT, NIGGA. On e'rything I Love. "
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@grownazzblakman
yea, that's the subtle point I was looking for and its also, as @LSN brought up, when she overheard LF plotting with Tywinn during the War of 5 Kings
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I understand why she was worried about him being there...what I'm tryna to remember is where does she know/remember him from to the point she recognized his name instantly and what it could mean for her
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