UFC 214 Jon Jones Vs Danny Cormier

[exiledking]

I doubt they match them up. The UFC is very racist and gives white fighters every opportunity to get a title but make the black fighters take the toughest road. The Sterling-Barao fight is an example. They make him fight a catchweight fight against the guy that dominated the class above him? That was ridiculous but Sterling still won. GSP was more "boring" than Woodley but they LOVED him.Woodley fought a very intelligent fight against Maia who is the second best in the division. Maia would definitely sub Wonderboy. Now watch them give Gustaffson ANOTHER shot.

although race plays a factor, I don't get why you brought that up when I was talking about two white guys.

Maia and wonderboy are both guys who just lost to the champ and were potentially gonna fight before. The road to another shot would mean they would fight each other.

 

[exiledking]

It's hard to watch but mostly because of the rivalry they had between them and how emotional DC gets. That whole night people were getting knocked out. If you watch combat sports it's a part of it. I'm a DC fan and I didmt like it but DC knocks people out all the time. Sometimes youre the hammer, sometimes youre the nail.

 

[gene cisco]

It's hard to watch but mostly because of the rivalry they had between them and how emotional DC gets. That whole night people were getting knocked out. If you watch combat sports it's a part of it. I'm a DC fan and I didmt like it but DC knocks people out all the time. Sometimes youre the hammer, sometimes youre the nail.

Always thought the only thing that would put DC down would be a kick. That cat's head is granite, but leg strikes >>>>

Only fighters that will give Jones trouble are similar-sized fighters. They lurking in the heavy division, and he has wisely avoided the class until the call out last night.

 

[Mask]

Always thought the only thing that would put DC down would be a kick. That cat's head is granite, but leg strikes >>>>

Only fighters that will give Jones trouble are similar-sized fighters. They lurking in the heavy division, and he has wisely avoided the class until the call out last night.

Who called him out?

 

[Helico-pterFunk]

Who called him out?

He called out Brock Lesnar and said if you want to get your ass kicked by someone 40lbs lighter than you ...

 

[Mask]

He called out Brock Lesnar and said if you want to get your ass kicked by someone 40lbs lighter than you ...

Ok I saw Brock name being poste in here but didn't ask for what reason...


Can he fuck with Brock? That seems like a big jump in weight.

 

[exiledking]

Ok I saw Brock name being poste in here but didn't ask for what reason...


Can he fuck with Brock? That seems like a big jump in weight.

Skill wise, probably. Brock would probably just bullrush and keep him down the whole round if he could. Jones would just be doing it for the check. He does have some new blood to look at, plus the 2nd attempt for Gustaffson. Gus has had some more fights, and Jones is pretty much back in pocket, so I'd like to see it I guess. Not much of a fan of Gus running like he does though.

 

[Helico-pterFunk]

Ok I saw Brock name being poste in here but didn't ask for what reason...


Can he fuck with Brock? That seems like a big jump in weight.

Yeah. Should be interesting. There was some speculation that Jones/Lesnar might eventually happen. Jones noted to the Fox Sports 1 post-fight show that he's open to taking on new opportunities / superfights to get paid. Feels as though he's pretty much cleared out his 205lb division ... though there might be some future match-ups with Oldsdamir (spelling?) and/or Manuwa. Though Manuwa lost to that guy in less than a minute yesterday. Jones said with him being away from the sport (only the fights with Cormier in Jan. 2015 and OSP in the spring of 2016) he's looking for some good paydays. As for weight ... he's often noted to be walking around in the 220 - 230lb range away from fight week. And he's far more skilled than Lesnar will ever be, and he's some 10 years younger with much more MMA experience. Would be interesting to see him avoid clinches and takedown attempts from Lesnar. In a perfect world ... DC's big homie Cain Velasquez would be healthy and injury-free and that would make for a great heavyweight match-up versus Jones. Cain whooped Lesnar's ass back in Oct. 2010 for the heavyweight title. Cain and DC have been training partners for many years. Too bad about Cain's career with all the layoffs over the years, and the repeat opponents in JDS (3 fights), and Silva (2 fights). He made quick work of Browne at UFC 200 last July.

 

[Mask]

Skill wise, probably. Brock would probably just bullrush and keep him down the whole round if he could. Jones would just be doing it for the check. He does have some new blood to look at, plus the 2nd attempt for Gustaffson. Gus has had some more fights, and Jones is pretty much back in pocket, so I'd like to see it I guess. Not much of a fan of Gus running like he does though.

Ok...I'm new to this shit, so you can't throw to many names at me...

Brock
Woodley
Evans
Daniel
Conner
Rampage
Jones
Dana White
Cyborg
Rhonda
Gina
Kimbo Slice
Silver(or how ever it's spelled)
Tino

Is the name i know, can say I've seen each one of them fight to


Cain after reading Helico's post

 

[Megatron X]

He called out Brock Lesnar and said if you want to get your ass kicked by someone 40lbs lighter than you ...

How do you think UFC fighters from 1993 when it was bareknuckle would do against UFC fighters today in 2017?

 

[exiledking]

Ok...I'm new to this shit, so you can't throw to many names at me...

Brock
Woodley
Evans
Daniel
Conner
Rampage
Jones
Dana White
Cyborg
Rhonda
Gina
Kimbo Slice
Silver(or how ever it's spelled)
Tino

Is the name i know, can say I've seen each one of them fight to

Lol well you can scratch Gina, Ronda, and evans off that list cuz theyre done fighting. Kimbo too albeit for other sad reasons.

 

[exiledking]

How do you think UFC fighters from 1993 when it was bareknuckle would do against UFC fighters today in 2017?

Terrible. The sport has evolved in leaps and bounds since then. Theyre legends for what they did but this game advances every 3 years.

 

[Mask]

Lol well you can scratch Gina, Ronda, and evans off that list cuz theyre done fighting. Kimbo too albeit for other sad reasons.

Right I know that but that just to show you...that's the name I know who's is or was connected to the cage...

Other than the older cats that went to wwe

Ken Shamrock
Dan ?????(somebody)

 

[Helico-pterFunk]

How do you think UFC fighters from 1993 when it was bareknuckle would do against UFC fighters today in 2017?

It would be interesting to see how some of the hardnosed brawlers (with minimal cardio) would do with the extremely-conditioned athletes/fighters of today. Especially with the sport of MMA closing in on a 1/4 century old next fall. The fighters of today would definitely do great ... just have to survive the initial flurries in the 1st round, and that small guy in the pyjamas (Royce Gracie) trying to choke them out.

 

[Helico-pterFunk]

Lol well you can scratch Gina, Ronda, and evans off that list cuz theyre done fighting. Kimbo too albeit for other sad reasons.

Rashad's fighting next weekend in Mexico. Not sure how much time he has left in the sport though. He hasn't been doing too well record-wise for sure.





https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_Fight_Night:_Pettis_vs._Moreno

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashad_Evans#Mixed_martial_arts_record

 

[Megatron X]

It would be interesting to see how some of the hardnosed brawlers (with minimal cardio) would do with the extremely-conditioned athletes/fighters of today. Especially with the sport of MMA closing in on a 1/4 century old next fall. The fighters of today would definitely do great ... just have to survive the initial flurries in the 1st round, and that small guy in the pyjamas (Royce Gracie) trying to choke them out.

I remember seeing them talk about the UFC on Inside Edition back in 1994 on how violent it was. I remember them showing Dan Severn, Royce Gracie and interviewing Ken Shamrock about it. This was when it had the 'not for kids' sticker on the VHS cassette. That's when I first learned about UFC and then MMA. I began watching UFC/MMA back in 1995.

 

[Helico-pterFunk]

Right I know that but that just to show you...that's the name I know who's is or was connected to the cage...

Other than the older cats that went to wwe

Ken Shamrock
Dan ?????(somebody)

Dan Severn. That dude is something else. Listened to a few podcast interviews with him ... seems like a good dude. Still has his wits about him. Turned 59 back in June. That record is no joke. Damn. Just took a quick look -



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Severn#Mixed_martial_arts_record

 

[exiledking]

Rashad's fighting next weekend in Mexico. Not sure how much time he has left in the sport though. He hasn't been doing too well record-wise for sure.





https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_Fight_Night:_Pettis_vs._Moreno

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashad_Evans#Mixed_martial_arts_record

Oh I know he still gets in the ring and all, but he's DONE lol

 

[Deezz]

Rashad's fighting next weekend in Mexico. Not sure how much time he has left in the sport though. He hasn't been doing too well record-wise for sure.





https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_Fight_Night:_Pettis_vs._Moreno

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashad_Evans#Mixed_martial_arts_record

Rashad should retire. He's just not diversified enough to compete and he has been in the game for a while and he's 37.

 

[Helico-pterFunk]

I remember seeing them talk about the UFC on Inside Edition back in 1994 on how violent it was. I remember them showing Dan Severn, Royce Gracie and interviewing Ken Shamrock about it. This was when it had the 'not for kids' sticker on the VHS cassette. That's when I first learned about UFC and then MMA. I began watching UFC/MMA back in 1995.

That's wassup. Yeah - I recall hitting up some of the music stores back in the day (like Music World or Sam The Record Man) and seeing the VHS tapes for $7 - 10 or so. Bought a few of them back in the 90s, and rented some of the others at the video store. Sort of fell off as a fan for some time, and then got back into it in the years leading up to the first season of TUF in the mid-2000s. Renewed the interest back then (Florian, Sanchez, Griffin, Bonnar, Koscheck, etc). and then subsequent seasons with the likes of Evans, Bisping, and more. GSP definitely did alot for the sport in Canada back in the day too ... especially when he regained his title and then went on that run for years ... he got Canadian Athlete of the Year honors a few times, if I remember correctly ...


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_St-Pierre#Mixed_martial_arts_record

 

[Helico-pterFunk]

Oh I know he still gets in the ring and all, but he's DONE lol

Yeah - I wish he would transition into broadcasting and coaching, etc. He's on good terms with many of the guys in Miami with the training ... and is part of the Fox Sports 1 panel rotation when he wants to be ... just for his long-term health too. He's got 4 kids and has taken plenty of damage over the years. Don't want to see him get stopped by Alvey. Hopefully he goes in there and wrestles him & makes easy work of his opponent. No point standing with someone who throws heavy with limited mobility.

 

[gene cisco]

Ok I saw Brock name being poste in here but didn't ask for what reason...


Can he fuck with Brock? That seems like a big jump in weight.

Skill wise, probably. Brock would probably just bullrush and keep him down the whole round if he could. Jones would just be doing it for the check. He does have some new blood to look at, plus the 2nd attempt for Gustaffson. Gus has had some more fights, and Jones is pretty much back in pocket, so I'd like to see it I guess. Not much of a fan of Gus running like he does though.

IMHO both Brock and Cain suffered from being rushed back too quickly after medical problems. Don't think Brock was mentally right after his medical issue and sure as shit didn't like being hit, but he took some strikes in the fight that lead to him being banned.

If Brock gets his hands on Jones early, it's a done deal. Jones would fight a 'boring' fight and go to stuff takedowns without taking risks ala Woodley. If successful, he'd finish Brock.

It's important to note Jones doesn't fight heavyweight for a reason. If his trainers thought he'd dominate that division, he'd be doing it. Grappling doesn't scale as well as striking power. If you 200 pounds with knockout power, you can knockout a much larger opponent. But grappling at a weight and strength disadvantage can get ugly if skills are close.

 

[exiledking]

IMHO both Brock and Cain suffered from being rushed back too quickly after medical problems. Don't think Brock was mentally right after his medical issue and sure as shit didn't like being hit, but he took some strikes in the fight that lead to him being banned.

If Brock gets his hands on Jones early, it's a done deal. Jones would fight a 'boring' fight and go to stuff takedowns without taking risks ala Woodley. If successful, he'd finish Brock.

It's important to note Jones doesn't fight heavyweight for a reason. If his trainers thought he'd dominate that division, he'd be doing it. Grappling doesn't scale as well as striking power. If you 200 pounds with knockout power, you can knockout a much larger opponent. But grappling at a weight and strength disadvantage can get ugly if skills are close.

yeah, I agree. Jones is funny with his KO ability. It aint like he has scary power, but it also aint like he's not capable. I don't see him having what it takes to scare Brock from rushing right in and planting him on the ground. You're right, fuck that fight.

 

[CADE_BADAZZ]

Jones won't do well at heavyweight.

 

[Helico-pterFunk]

Cain after reading Helico's post

Yeah - he's a bad mofo when he's healthy and ready to go. He's been hobbled by knee and back-related injuries, if I recall correctly. But when he's been on ... he's fun to watch for a big man. Quick and hard-hitting and applies plenty of pressure (from his collegiate wrestling background). A few of his college teammates have also competed in the UFC & Bellator over the years. Check his record as he was making his way to the title. He lost it quickly to Junior Dos Santos, but came back in the 2nd and 3rd fights and destroyed the guy. Also did a number on Silva x 2, and Browne. He had a tough time in Mexico in June 2015 and re-lost the title though. He didn't have the cardio that fight, as he hadn't properly acclimated to the increased elevation there and his opponent (Fabricio Werdum) had done the bulk of his training camp there and was fully prepared for the limited oxygen & got a solid victory. Here's Cain's record and some GIFs though ... always fun to watch when he's healthy ...



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cain_Velasquez#Mixed_martial_arts_record

 

[Helico-pterFunk]

Jones won't do well at heavyweight.

If Jones came in at 225 - 230lbs without a weight cut ... and then squared up with some of the 240 - 265lb guys ... do you think he would fare better? Or is it just the sheer size of the heavier fighters (and punching power) he would have trouble with? Having dealt with 205lb'ers for so many years.

 

[Helico-pterFunk]

IMHO both Brock and Cain suffered from being rushed back too quickly after medical problems. Don't think Brock was mentally right after his medical issue and sure as shit didn't like being hit, but he took some strikes in the fight that lead to him being banned.

Yeah - that fight with Overeem wasn't a good look upon Lesnar's return. Alistair showed him the power, striking experience & technique really quickly. Arianny was ready to bust it wide open for The Reem and have a few children though ...

 

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[Mask]

That shit was amazing...been going low all night then went high...lights out

 

[c_commander]

IMHO both Brock and Cain suffered from being rushed back too quickly after medical problems. Don't think Brock was mentally right after his medical issue and sure as shit didn't like being hit, but he took some strikes in the fight that lead to him being banned.

If Brock gets his hands on Jones early, it's a done deal. Jones would fight a 'boring' fight and go to stuff takedowns without taking risks ala Woodley. If successful, he'd finish Brock.

It's important to note Jones doesn't fight heavyweight for a reason. If his trainers thought he'd dominate that division, he'd be doing it. Grappling doesn't scale as well as striking power. If you 200 pounds with knockout power, you can knockout a much larger opponent. But grappling at a weight and strength disadvantage can get ugly if skills are close.

Problem is that to this point none of the wrestlers that Jones has fought has been able to consistently take him down let alone keep him down. Brock is stronger but if Jones has a reach advantage he'll definitely use it and as mentioned earlier Brock doesn't like getting hit.

 

[Helico-pterFunk]

That shit was amazing...been going low all night then went high...lights out

Imagine the force of the kick landing too ... as Cormier was sort of stationary and leaning forward when the kick came up top and staggered him. Wild finish with him backpedalling off-balance and Jones adding the additional strikes too ...

 

[Lexx Diamond]

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