Kyrie Irving requesting trade out of Cleveland to find bigger role
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damn yall getting personal
I don't know why Lebron would not just offer to be traded to Houston, LA or some other Squad/ Let Lyrie have Cleveland and Dan Gilbert's shit storm. Shit he is all time already, for bringing a championship to such a terrible city. Just bounce.
First Durant, now Kyrie all up in the pocket of the Warriors.....shit is crazy. I too wonder if Kyrie threw the finals, since he played soooo poorly across 5 games. He hates that motherfucker Lebron, for real
damn yall getting personal
I don't know why Lebron would not just offer to be traded to Houston, LA or some other Squad/ Let Lyrie have Cleveland and Dan Gilbert's shit storm. Shit he is all time already, for bringing a championship to such a terrible city. Just bounce.
First Durant, now Kyrie all up in the pocket of the Warriors.....shit is crazy. I too wonder if Kyrie threw the finals, since he played soooo poorly across 5 games. He hates that motherfucker Lebron, for real
I don't think it's even a big deal
but dude is trying to imply Kyrie is a bitch and less of a man and blaming him for the coming home shit, when it was a direct response to that shit Lebron pulled. As if he was raised wrong. Lebron is the epitome of the passive aggressive player by having his talking heads talk about teammates or talk about his teammates indirectly.
Meanwhile Kyrie is the one with the dad, and seems more direct. If he doesn't like you, he's not faking it or fucking with you...how can you not respect that
There was no beating around the bush with what Windhurst or Brussard heard, no agents, no rumors every week saying he's not happy, he went to Cleveland and said he wanted out.
How can you not like how he did it?
He did his decision for him. Not anyone else. I can't judge that man on wanting to leave, because nobody knows his reason. It's all assumption.
I don't think it's even a big deal
but dude is trying to imply Kyrie is a bitch and less of a man and blaming him for the coming home shit, when it was a direct response to that shit Lebron pulled. As if he was raised wrong. Lebron is the epitome of the passive aggressive player by having his talking heads talk about teammates or talk about his teammates indirectly.
Meanwhile Kyrie is the one with the dad, and seems more direct. If he doesn't like you, he's not faking it or fucking with you...how can you not respect that
There was no beating around the bush with what Windhurst or Brussard heard, no agents, no rumors every week saying he's not happy, he went to Cleveland and said he wanted out.
How can you not like how he did it?
He did his decision for him. Not anyone else. I can't judge that man on wanting to leave, because nobody knows his reason. It's all assumption.
I like his decision, but i dont like the way he did it.
Without getting into the personal stuff, who has a dad or whatever, what Kyrie has done has left the world analyzing his personal relationship with Lebron. Thats what he should have avoided.
When the story leaked he/his agent should have put out a statement saying he doesnt have any problems with any of his teammates, he is just ready to have his own team, this is the perfect time to do it, and he is just ready for the next challenge. Period end of.
Keep your personal relationships out of the media discussion. Right now its a Kyrie vs Lebron story and it didnt need to be.
Dont know whats going on with him personally...but He has 2 years left on his contract and you just went to 2 NBA finals...This nigga even takes more shots than LBJ...shit seems selfish to me.
and the way Lebron has hopped around from team to team not telling his teammates or friends for that matter his decision is....
Something a free agent does....
So because you're under contract you're enslaved and can't request to be traded?
Kind of the point of a multi year NBA contract...Dude really has no reason to request a trade other than wanting to be the Alpha on the team...selfish
Kind of the point of a multi year NBA contract...Dude really has no reason to request a trade other than wanting to be the Alpha on the team...selfish
Minnesota and San Antonio show differently
So it's ok for a owner to trade a player, but the player can't ask for a trade?
Did you think about this?
and it's their career...they should be selfish. It's their happiness. Should they be concerned about the owner or organizations that don't care about them and will trade them?
When you make decisions do you do it based on your job or your happiness and family?
I have no problem with an owner trading a player....its his team the player is an employee...but the player can negotiate a no-trade clause in his contract. Kyrie Irving didnt do that so he's at the mercy of his employer and contract.
What happens if he goes to another team and he turns out to be number 2 again....dude going to request another trade? where does it end???
Suns Emerging as Favorites to Land Kyrie, Timberwolves Fading
August 2, 2017
The Minnesota Timberwolves trade offer for Kyrie Irving reportedly did not include Andrew Wiggins, which makes sense as news broke today that they have made an extension offer to Wiggins for a five year deal worth up to $148 million.
Cleveland is asking for Wiggins plus more in exchange for Kyrie; and with the Wolves latest extension offer to him, it is clear that Minnesota and Cleveland far off on the value of Irving and are not anywhere close to making a deal.
On the other hand, the Suns have been the team willing to give the most up in exchange for Kyrie thus far. The only complication in this scenario, is what Kyrie wants to do after his contract is up in 2019.
The Suns would like a long-term commitment from him since they are giving up young pieces for him. However, Kyrie Irving is not prepared to commit to any team beyond his likely free agency in 2019.
Irving is due $18.87 million in 17-18, $20.10 in 18-19 and $21.33 million in 19-20 (player option).
The Suns have said they would be willing to trade Eric Bledsoe for Irving even without a commitment, but the million dollar question reamains: is that enough for Cleveland?
August 2, 2017
The Minnesota Timberwolves trade offer for Kyrie Irving reportedly did not include Andrew Wiggins, which makes sense as news broke today that they have made an extension offer to Wiggins for a five year deal worth up to $148 million.
Cleveland is asking for Wiggins plus more in exchange for Kyrie; and with the Wolves latest extension offer to him, it is clear that Minnesota and Cleveland far off on the value of Irving and are not anywhere close to making a deal.
On the other hand, the Suns have been the team willing to give the most up in exchange for Kyrie thus far. The only complication in this scenario, is what Kyrie wants to do after his contract is up in 2019.
The Suns would like a long-term commitment from him since they are giving up young pieces for him. However, Kyrie Irving is not prepared to commit to any team beyond his likely free agency in 2019.
Irving is due $18.87 million in 17-18, $20.10 in 18-19 and $21.33 million in 19-20 (player option).
The Suns have said they would be willing to trade Eric Bledsoe for Irving even without a commitment, but the million dollar question reamains: is that enough for Cleveland?
Amico: Surprise, Cavs controlling Kyrie ordeal
Kyrie Irving has requested a trade -- but that doesn't mean the Cavaliers will grant him one.
AUGUST 3, 2017
Sam Amico
Random dribbles on the Cleveland Cavaliers, who continue to look for the right trade:
1. Despite the national narrative, the Cavaliers feel as if they are in complete control of the Kyrie Irving situation. If they don’t find a trade they love, then yes, they will keep Irving and bring him to training camp.
2. Irving is under contract for two more years (with a player option in year three). What happens with that option will largely be determined by how well Irving plays over the next two seasons. So if Irving returns to Cleveland, it will be in his best interest to deny he ever wanted traded, that he has no beef with LeBron James, blah, blah, blah. And to play hard and continue to win.
3. Hey, stranger things have happened. Really.
4. That said, the Cavs have every intention to move Irving, and they hope to do it soon. But they won’t do it for a bunch of nameless, faceless pieces and parts. That would be silly. If anything, the Cavs plan to use Irving to upgrade the roster. If that doesn’t happen, they’ll just go back to looking for trades centered on other players.
5. Remember, Kyrie puts people in the stands and sells jerseys in the team store. That’s not something anyone in Phoenix does. It’s not something anyone in Minnesota really does either — at least, not to the degree of a dynamic player such as Irving.
6. So if the Suns think Josh Jackson or whoever is going to put fannies in the seats and make the organization money in the same manner as an Irving, the Cavs have a message for them, and it goes a little something like this: Good luck with that.
7. As for the reports that Irving won’t commit to a team beyond his current contract — well, that’s not exactly a negative. No player in his right mind would commit beyond two years when he doesn’t even know where he’s going, or where the franchise is headed when he gets there. As one West Coast source said, “Trust me, Kevin Durant isn’t committed (to Golden State) beyond 2019, either. And they’re winning.”
8. Plus, most teams and people around the league aren’t the least bit bothered by that bit of Irving news. In fact, no teams have been deterred from calling the Cavs to ask about Irving for any reason.
9. Again, it’s important to look at this not just from a basketball standpoint, but from a business as well. From a business angle, even just two years of the type of money Irving will bring is better than zero years.
10. That is why having Cavs owner Dan Gilbert involved in trade talks isn’t necessarily a detriment. He can sell the idea of Kyrie the Money Maker to other owners, some of whom aren’t making much, if anything.
11. As reported earlier on Amico Hoops, the Cavs are not concerning themselves with Irving’s supposed “wish list” of teams. They will trade him wherever they can get the best deal. They have had talks with every team on his reported list, but are not close to a deal with any of them, and don’t really expect to be any time soon.
12. Irving’s reported list: Minnesota, New York, San Antonio and Miami.
13. The Cavs have already shot down the Heat, and the Knicks and Spurs aren’t about to surrender anything the Cavs would want in return. So trades with any of those three seem like the longest of long shots.
14. Meanwhile, the Cavs continue to talk with and keep a close eye on the Timberwolves. But while Jimmy Butler and Karl-Anthony Townsare pushing for an Irving trade, Wolves owner Glen Taylor appears to want to hang on to Andrew Wiggins. The Cavs want Wiggins in any deal involving Irving.
15. Of course, Taylor repeatedly told reporters that he would never trade Kevin Love for Wiggins, and we all saw how that played out back in 2014.
16. Interestingly, Butler and Towns are said to be OK with moving Wiggins for Irving. So it has to make you wonder how Wiggins will respond if a trade doesn’t happen.
17. Regardless, teams always say they aren’t trading people … until they do. Then everyone is so excited about the trade that the denials are long forgotten. Moral of the story? Don’t believe it. Everyone is trying very hard to figure out how to get Irving right now. Everyone.
18. This isn’t to say all is well in Believeland. Frankly, it’s not. The Cavs have a disgruntled star on their hands. They want to move him. But they won’t move him for nothing. And if they don’t move him, guess what they will have going into the season? Yep. A disgruntled star. But a disgruntled star still beats a bunch of nobodies, and that is something the Cavs clearly understand.
AUGUST 3, 2017
Sam Amico
Random dribbles on the Cleveland Cavaliers, who continue to look for the right trade:
1. Despite the national narrative, the Cavaliers feel as if they are in complete control of the Kyrie Irving situation. If they don’t find a trade they love, then yes, they will keep Irving and bring him to training camp.
2. Irving is under contract for two more years (with a player option in year three). What happens with that option will largely be determined by how well Irving plays over the next two seasons. So if Irving returns to Cleveland, it will be in his best interest to deny he ever wanted traded, that he has no beef with LeBron James, blah, blah, blah. And to play hard and continue to win.
3. Hey, stranger things have happened. Really.
4. That said, the Cavs have every intention to move Irving, and they hope to do it soon. But they won’t do it for a bunch of nameless, faceless pieces and parts. That would be silly. If anything, the Cavs plan to use Irving to upgrade the roster. If that doesn’t happen, they’ll just go back to looking for trades centered on other players.
5. Remember, Kyrie puts people in the stands and sells jerseys in the team store. That’s not something anyone in Phoenix does. It’s not something anyone in Minnesota really does either — at least, not to the degree of a dynamic player such as Irving.
6. So if the Suns think Josh Jackson or whoever is going to put fannies in the seats and make the organization money in the same manner as an Irving, the Cavs have a message for them, and it goes a little something like this: Good luck with that.
7. As for the reports that Irving won’t commit to a team beyond his current contract — well, that’s not exactly a negative. No player in his right mind would commit beyond two years when he doesn’t even know where he’s going, or where the franchise is headed when he gets there. As one West Coast source said, “Trust me, Kevin Durant isn’t committed (to Golden State) beyond 2019, either. And they’re winning.”
8. Plus, most teams and people around the league aren’t the least bit bothered by that bit of Irving news. In fact, no teams have been deterred from calling the Cavs to ask about Irving for any reason.
9. Again, it’s important to look at this not just from a basketball standpoint, but from a business as well. From a business angle, even just two years of the type of money Irving will bring is better than zero years.
10. That is why having Cavs owner Dan Gilbert involved in trade talks isn’t necessarily a detriment. He can sell the idea of Kyrie the Money Maker to other owners, some of whom aren’t making much, if anything.
11. As reported earlier on Amico Hoops, the Cavs are not concerning themselves with Irving’s supposed “wish list” of teams. They will trade him wherever they can get the best deal. They have had talks with every team on his reported list, but are not close to a deal with any of them, and don’t really expect to be any time soon.
12. Irving’s reported list: Minnesota, New York, San Antonio and Miami.
13. The Cavs have already shot down the Heat, and the Knicks and Spurs aren’t about to surrender anything the Cavs would want in return. So trades with any of those three seem like the longest of long shots.
14. Meanwhile, the Cavs continue to talk with and keep a close eye on the Timberwolves. But while Jimmy Butler and Karl-Anthony Townsare pushing for an Irving trade, Wolves owner Glen Taylor appears to want to hang on to Andrew Wiggins. The Cavs want Wiggins in any deal involving Irving.
15. Of course, Taylor repeatedly told reporters that he would never trade Kevin Love for Wiggins, and we all saw how that played out back in 2014.
16. Interestingly, Butler and Towns are said to be OK with moving Wiggins for Irving. So it has to make you wonder how Wiggins will respond if a trade doesn’t happen.
17. Regardless, teams always say they aren’t trading people … until they do. Then everyone is so excited about the trade that the denials are long forgotten. Moral of the story? Don’t believe it. Everyone is trying very hard to figure out how to get Irving right now. Everyone.
18. This isn’t to say all is well in Believeland. Frankly, it’s not. The Cavs have a disgruntled star on their hands. They want to move him. But they won’t move him for nothing. And if they don’t move him, guess what they will have going into the season? Yep. A disgruntled star. But a disgruntled star still beats a bunch of nobodies, and that is something the Cavs clearly understand.
Don't seem like that would be enough...
Starter/vet
Player on rookie contract
1st protected
Is what ive seen Gilbert asking for...
Kyrie put asses in the seat...have commercials, shoe deal...all star mvp, NBA title...
I can't just give that away for anything
I think I heard they haven't made the playoffs in six or seven years
Kyrie isn't a team changer to get rid of a lot for. Especially considering the Paul George and Butler trades recently. Cleveland wants a Denver trade deal. Well the Snickers are stupid. They shouldn't want to trade too much of their young talent, especially for someone who isn't a game changer. Kyrie and Booker aren't getting them to the playoffs.
Yea I hear ya...what they have now haven't got them there either so it's a tough position to been.
Kyrie probably put folks in the stands and merchandise sells better than the other players...so that's probably the only plus in the situation...
Man i think cavs got to get at least 2 players and a draft pick for him; what chi did would have been ok if they didn't swap 1st rounders; but what Indy did was just ridiculous
Man i think cavs got to get at least 2 players and a draft pick for him; what chi did would have been ok if they didn't swap 1st rounders; but what Indy did was just ridiculous
Yea that's what they asking for...so if he's traded it's Wiggins and a pick or Bledsoe, josh and that heat pick
They not getting Wiggins; I dont think hes going to Minny at all; Phoenix doesnt want to give up Josh and I dont blame them...
John Wall if you had to deal with "passive aggressive" LeBron every day you wouldnt feel that way. Be thankful for Otto.
kinda wish kyrie would stay in cleveland unless he can get somewhere in the east. the west so guard loaded he gonna have to ball out to crack the all star team ask dame. i wish miami was as blind as indiana was
Don't know how the thread got so long but I will say again Cavs would be wise to trade Kyrie for young players and picks
Lebron is gone either way so get a head start on the rebuild
Lebron is gone either way so get a head start on the rebuild
Why would Kyrie want to be traded but not want to commit anywhere? That shit is backwards.
For Cleveland to trade Kyrie they will want the motherload. For a team to give that up, they will need to be sure that Kyrie is there long term.
For Cleveland to trade Kyrie they will want the motherload. For a team to give that up, they will need to be sure that Kyrie is there long term.
David Griffin said exactly what I was saying 
What's backwards?
Why would he want to commit staying somewhere for another 4 or 5 years when he has no clue what the team will be like? Their culture could suck. He could hate the city. The coach might suck. The team might not be good.
What's backwards?
Why would he want to commit staying somewhere for another 4 or 5 years when he has no clue what the team will be like? Their culture could suck. He could hate the city. The coach might suck. The team might not be good.
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