Kyrie Irving requesting trade out of Cleveland to find bigger role

[Mask]

A source said a deal was on the table for Irving before the draft, but was not executed in part because it was not yet known that Irving wanted out. The deal was crafted before David Griffin left as general manager.
– via Cleveland Plain Dealer






Damn the Cavs been a mess


So Griffin worked out a deal to send Kyrie to the suns but Lebron didn't c/s the deal so it didn't happen...
Lebron and Lebron reach out to jimmy butler about playing for the cavs, they cavs was working on a deal then shockingly Jimmy changed his tuned after Griffin was hired back.

This the strangest thing of it all:

Kyrie wanted to talk about being traded after the final lost but the front office was a mess...

I'm down for dude wanting to do his own thing...but I think he also has to realize that being on current stages elevate players hype, while he's great that no Lebron and Love they would be fighting for playoff slot number 9&10....


I like dude lot

 

[Mt Airy Groove]

Been saying this my dude. Other players are starting to see through his bullshit....

McNabb would pull some shit like this if instagram was available back in '05.

 

[c_commander]

You guys miss the scenario. First off I'm a Sixers fan so fuck every other team. second this is the Era of positionless basketball. Third in Lebron twilight year he wants to play with his friends. Philly is one of the few teams with the assets and Cap space to make that happen jalong with a real chance to make noise in the East. The whole point of the process was to get to a point were you can cash in your assets and make your run.plus you have to remember if teams were unwilling to give anything away for a 27 year Paul George on the final year of his deal What are you going to get for 32 year old is the final year of his contract. Cleveland has to make the deal because they will Lebron next year and get nothing in return. The Cavs will have the back court of the future and will have to rebuild the front court through the draft picks they accumulated. The Knicks are freeing themselves of the cap hell of The contracts and will be able to make a play when Anthony Davis and D'Angelo Russel becomes a free agent in the up coming free agent class.
Phill gets a Veteran Championship team that can make noise in the East. Melo is a knock down shooter Lebron much improved shooter and Simmons playmaking ability along with the X FACTOR Joel Embid.

Simmons playmaking? Lebron would have the ball most of the time and Lebron needs shooters which leaves Simmons ass out.
Who's the 2 guard on the team? Melo? Lebron? Simmons? Saric?
Who guards the PG in this scenario?
Where's the bench in this scenario because the cap space is gone so you'd need minimum contracts?
And why would you give up all of that for a 1 year rental in Lebron? If he wants to come to the Sixers he'll do it as a free agent.
And by the way you can't trade a signed free agent until the middle of December so Redick can't be traded before then.

 

[c_commander]

Only 3 players should be untouchable in Philly. Simmons, Flutz and Embiid. I agree that none of them should be let go for Lebron.

As far as being told to tank, the players got the memo. The PLAN was to lose as many games as possible. Did everybody know it except the coaches and the players?

Embiid is called "the process" for goodness sakes.

The team wasn't talented and/or experienced enough to win consistently. Hinkie accumulated young players as assets and even signed 2nd round picks to 4 year contracts knowing that more than likely the team would be bad but they'd grow and if they grew quicker or better than expected as a team cool. If a player was good but could be flipped for a better asset, cool. But more than likely during their growth they'd lose a bunch of games not because they didn't put in the effort but because they just weren't good enough and because of that he could add young, elite talent to eventually make them a consistently good team

 

[datboi]

My point is if your Dan Gilbert and you have to choose one or the other to keep. Who do you trade Kyrie and what will get in return ? If you Keep Lebron and he bounce next year you are left with Kevin Love you are î.

 

[datboi]

Simmons playmaking? Lebron would have the ball most of the time and Lebron needs shooters which leaves Simmons ass out.
Who's the 2 guard on the team? Melo? Lebron? Simmons? Saric?
Who guards the PG in this scenario?
Where's the bench in this scenario because the cap space is gone so you'd need minimum contracts?
And why would you give up all of that for a 1 year rental in Lebron? If he wants to come to the Sixers he'll do it as a free agent.
And by the way you can't trade a signed free agent until the middle of December so Redick can't be traded before then.

As we know that's your top five however if Lebron or Simmons can't cover the PG/ SG. You will move Dario to the bench and start Covington for perimeter defense. plus Embid back protecting the rim. Good point on Redick . Your bench still consist of Covington, Furcan, TLC, Justin Anderson and Richard Holmes . The Sixers are barely hitting

 

[BrownTurd]

He hurt... Nigga ain't used to teammates telling him to kiss their asses

Man niggas believed that bullshit from Lebron about how he wanted to go home to put his city on the map. That nigga simply left because he thought playing with Kyrie and love was a better option than Wade and Bosh.

No he feels devastated? Wade opted out a 25 million dollar contract for his ass and this nigga didn't even let him know he was leaving. I can't blame Kyrie. Lebron refuses to run a ball movement offense in which everyone touches the balls.

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

Man niggas believed that bullshit from Lebron about how he wanted to go home to put his city on the map. That nigga simply left because he thought playing with Kyrie and love was a better option than Wade and Bosh.

No he feels devastated? Wade opted out a 25 million dollar contract for his ass and this nigga didn't even let him know he was leaving. I can't blame Kyrie. Lebron refuses to run a ball movement offense in which everyone touches the balls.

Exactly! His egotistical ass is and always has been about his damn self. He's hurt because Kyrie decided not to be his pawn anymore. Fuck LeBron...

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

As we know that's your top five however if Lebron or Simmons can't cover the PG/ SG. You will move Dario to the bench and start Covington for perimeter defense. plus Embid back protecting the rim. Good point on Redick . Your bench still consist of Covington, Furcan, TLC, Justin Anderson and Richard Holmes . The Sixers are barely hitting

@BAG, jr....

You're killing me tonight good brother

 

[AllUniverse17]

No they didn't Bruh. Again, why would a player tank so a team can be in a position to draft players to replace them? Makes no sense.

To answer your question, everyone knew what management decided to do, however not one player purposely played bad to further that plan. The problem was they put JV players out their to play against Varsity teams with all Americans so no matter how hard they played they weren't good enough to win. Those players were fighting to create careers for themselves...

Cleveland won't deal LeBron for anything else than 2 of those 3 and at this stage of his career LeBron isn't worth that in my opinion. You make that deal, be good for a season or two, then he leaves or continues to decline and you suck while the players you gave up ate stars for the next ten?!?!?

Nah, I'm good on LeBron...

What we disagree on is that you seem to believe that fighting to make a name for yourself in this league is the same thing as fighting to win games in this league.

They NOT the same. In fact, players can be ALL IN on one thing and not give a single fuck about the other.

When is the last time anyone in the Sixers locker room played in a meaningful game?

All Im saying is the Sixers gonna need some veteran help of they wanna develop into winners some day.

 

[34real]

Kobe and Shaq,atleast he's willing to go out and blaze his own trail instead of just being there and unhappy with who and whatever.

 

[AllUniverse17]

The team wasn't talented and/or experienced enough to win consistently. Hinkie accumulated young players as assets and even signed 2nd round picks to 4 year contracts knowing that more than likely the team would be bad but they'd grow and if they grew quicker or better than expected as a team cool. If a player was good but could be flipped for a better asset, cool. But more than likely during their growth they'd lose a bunch of games not because they didn't put in the effort but because they just weren't good enough and because of that he could add young, elite talent to eventually make them a consistently good team

Look man, tell the truth, the talent has not "grown" and they didnt try to grow it either.

If they were trying to grow anything Embiid and Simmons would have come back from injury last year.

Thats not development.

Its just tanking seasons so you get consecutive high draft picks.

IMHO its developping your players into being losers.

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

What we disagree on is that you seem to believe that fighting to make a name for yourself in this league is the same thing as fighting to win games in this league.

They NOT the same. In fact, players can be ALL IN on one thing and not give a single fuck about the other.

When is the last time anyone in the Sixers locker room played in a meaningful game?

All Im saying is the Sixers gonna need some veteran help of they wanna develop into winners some day.

We definitely will disagree on this. Your point really makes no sense. So, I'm trying to get noticed by another teams management playing in a one and done type scenario with a team I have no future with, however I'm going to purposely throw the games which would be obvious to any player personnel director or GM who I hope would sign me?!?!?! That's all you playa...

Plus all that you say about playing in a meaningful game is irrelevant. Not every team is interested in causing itself to be devoid of talent for a short term microwave rental, especially for an aging player on the downside of his prime, only to be in disarray in 1-2 years. Any GM who makes that move must not like his job too much.

I'm good on LeBron. Keep that Dude as far away from my team as possible....

 

[TheyCallMeBe]

I'm just waiting for leaked audio of Dan Gilbert going on a racist tirade over Bron and Kyrie. Cavs franchise is done.

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

Look man, tell the truth, the talent has not "grown" and they didnt try to grow it either.

If they were trying to grow anything Embiid and Simmons would have come back from injury last year.

Thats not development.

Its just tanking seasons so you get consecutive high draft picks.

IMHO its developping your players into being losers.

Only 1 of the players who were actively playing during those tank years is still with the team, and the assets we looked to have are together for the first time this season so I'm not sure what you are talking about... who were we developing, Hollis Thompson? How many games have Ben, Embiid, Dario and Fultz played together? How is our core being developed into being losers and they've not played together yet?

What talent hasn't grown when Fultz and Ben are rookies?

I'm really trying to follow your logic but I'm really having trouble figuring out what it is?

 

[playahaitian]

See that's the problem right there. How many athletes in sports can you write an article about them "letting" their respective front office essentially do their job? Bron has been the architect of that team and has tried to trade Love and Kyrie on multiple occasions. He gets his teammates adoration when he lobbies for them to get paid, well, you face the scorn when you try to get them traded. You can't call them your brothers and then go upstairs to get them traded and come back downstairs like nothing happened.

If your last name isn't Carter, Paul, or James he ain't loyal to you.

damn...this one is tough to respond to. I understand your point.

First off I don't really believe Lebron has power like that, its overstated and a security blanket created by Gilbert and his cronies.

and simple recent proof is Griffin's firing.

But I'll say this...we CANNOT have it both ways

If Lebron IS IN CHARGE?

Then we need to retroactively go back and not only give him finals MVP

but regular season MVP and Executive of the year for Cleveland's championship...right?

Cause if he stepping BACK now?

then he stepped IN then right?

and apparently him and his crew knew EXACTLY what they were doing.

Cause them white folk weren't winning with out

and that INCLUDES Kyrie.

And how does this work

so is this a BUSINESS or ISN'T It?

Cause that is what I constantly hear from these players and coaches and agents etc.

ESPECIALLY when it comes time for new contracts and trades.

So GM, agents and coaches haven't done the SAME thing for DECADES?

Jason Kidd Carmelo Magic Isiah Jordan

have ALL had players traded and coaches fired.

This is the game, point blank period

Lebron aint changed the rules or created new ones.

He just chose to be in CONTROL of his life.

And I aint NEVER gonna hate on a BLACK MAN especially one who EARNED this from high school based on his blood sweat and tears.

White owners execs and coaches and agents do the same sh*t every day.

Crikets.

Black does it its the end of the world

Curt Flood all over again.

matter of fact?

ALL these plaeyers

Melo Dwight KD CP3 etc etc etc

ALL owe Lebron 5% of they contracts

cause he suffered the slings and arrows that allows them to move like they do NOW.

 

[alexw]

i just read on facebook that the twolves are trying to send the cavs wiggins and teague for irving

fuck the twolves would bring real bball back with dominant inside out game
towns, butler, irvin is pretty fucking sick

the cavs would get a blossoming star and a great defender in wiggins
and teague is a decent pg

it works

 

[tallblacknyc]

Exactly! His egotistical ass is and always has been about his damn self. He's hurt because Kyrie decided not to be his pawn anymore. Fuck LeBron...

when it's all said and done u can thank kd for destroying lebron voltron..shout out to the 9/29'er..put a lil trespect on that libra name

 

[tallblacknyc]

i just read on facebook that the twolves are trying to send the cavs wiggins and teague for irving

fuck the twolves would bring real bball back with dominant inside out game
towns, butler, irvin is pretty fucking sick

the cavs would get a blossoming star and a great defender in wiggins
and teague is a decent pg

it works

wiggins should boycott and be like fuck lebron for having him traded in the first place..u didn't believe in me b4 don't believe in me now..u trade me i'll sit

 

[alexw]

wiggins should boycott and be like fuck lebron for having him traded in the first place..u didn't believe in me b4 don't believe in me now..u trade me i'll sit

i still dont believe kyrie is going anywhere

 

[tallblacknyc]

i still dont believe kyrie is going anywhere

i do or it's gonna be a very weird yr..kyrie gonna do a lot of funny shit if they don't..i can see him goin against plays on some fuck u i'm the star..he's gonna go full westbrook

 

[2 ONE 3]

i still dont believe kyrie is going anywhere

He's gone bro

 

[Mack1052]

i just read on facebook that the twolves are trying to send the cavs wiggins and teague for irving

fuck the twolves would bring real bball back with dominant inside out game
towns, butler, irvin is pretty fucking sick

the cavs would get a blossoming star and a great defender in wiggins
and teague is a decent pg

it works

The irony of the Cavs possibly trading back for Wiggins

 

[ak_rep]

i just read on facebook that the twolves are trying to send the cavs wiggins and teague for irving

fuck the twolves would bring real bball back with dominant inside out game
towns, butler, irvin is pretty fucking sick

the cavs would get a blossoming star and a great defender in wiggins
and teague is a decent pg

it works

They can't trade Teague until December. He just signed.

 

[trstar]

This is big money AAU ball.

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

when it's all said and done u can thank kd for destroying lebron voltron..shout out to the 9/29'er..put a lil trespect on that libra name

Yep. LeBron has choked in Finals before, but never has he been so dominated in crunch time as he was in this last series when KD gave him that good work. People throw out that averaged a triple double shit but those were some hollow ass stats, front loaded as hell. As the games wore on he got less and less effective while KD got stronger and more dominant. LeBron was front running like a motherfucker in first halves of games, but KD completely owned his ass when the games were on the line....

I've never seen a series where the supposed best player in the world needed so many damned pleas copped for him... Shit was embarrassing.

Kyrie and a lot of others saw what a lot of LeBrons fans either don't see or refuse to see, which is why an offseason which has so many so and so is going to Cleveland rumors, ended with those fools steeling on Calderon and D Rose and seeing Kyrie asking to be traded. Niggas starting to see LeBron for what he is, an amazing player, and an amazingly selfish self centered player...

 

[c_commander]

Look man, tell the truth, the talent has not "grown" and they didnt try to grow it either.

If they were trying to grow anything Embiid and Simmons would have come back from injury last year.

Thats not development.

Its just tanking seasons so you get consecutive high draft picks.

IMHO its developping your players into being losers.

Embiid averaged 20 and 10 while shooting and making 3's which he damn sure didn't do in college. That is development. Robert Covington hasn't grown into a legit 3 and D guy and a good defensive player? They were going to be in the lottery regardless if they had Embiid and Simmons come back at that point so why risk future injury? And quite frankly it didn't matter because even if they had brought them back they had the Lakers Top 3 protected pick which they got by flipping Michael Carter Williams in their back pocket and a pick swap from the Kings that they got by giving up scraps for Nik Stauskas in their back pocket. That's smart asset management by Sam Hinkie.

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

Embiid averaged 20 and 10 while shooting and making 3's which he damn sure didn't do in college. That is development. Robert Covington hasn't grown into a legit 3 and D guy and a good defensive player? They were going to be in the lottery regardless if they had Embiid and Simmons come back at that point so why risk future injury? And quite frankly it didn't matter because even if they had brought them back they had the Lakers Top 3 protected pick which they got by flipping Michael Carter Williams in their back pocket and a pick swap from the Kings that they got by giving up scraps for Nik Stauskas in their back pocket. That's smart asset management by Sam Hinkie.

/debate

 

[AllUniverse17]

Embiid averaged 20 and 10 while shooting and making 3's which he damn sure didn't do in college. That is development. Robert Covington hasn't grown into a legit 3 and D guy and a good defensive player? They were going to be in the lottery regardless if they had Embiid and Simmons come back at that point so why risk future injury? And quite frankly it didn't matter because even if they had brought them back they had the Lakers Top 3 protected pick which they got by flipping Michael Carter Williams in their back pocket and a pick swap from the Kings that they got by giving up scraps for Nik Stauskas in their back pocket. That's smart asset management by Sam Hinkie.

Why risk further injury? You are right, there is nothing to risk when you are playing for the number one pick.

Let me ask you something, can you name a single team thats trying to win games actually SHUT DOWN their two best players even though they healthy?

Ill wait.

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

Why risk further injury? You are right, there is nothing to risk when you are playing for the number one pick.

Let me ask you something, can you name a single team thats trying to win games actually SHUT DOWN their two best players even though they healthy?

Ill wait.

So which players did the Sixers shut down who were proven to be healthy? Post the link to the article validating their health and ability to play while you are at it to, not just an opinion.

Also, while you are at it, just for arguments sake, how does the TEAM shutting down players verify the actual players were involved in purposefully losing games?

...I'll wait.

 

[D-TOWN REP]

Man niggas believed that bullshit from Lebron about how he wanted to go home to put his city on the map. That nigga simply left because he thought playing with Kyrie and love was a better option than Wade and Bosh.

No he feels devastated? Wade opted out a 25 million dollar contract for his ass and this nigga didn't even let him know he was leaving. I can't blame Kyrie. Lebron refuses to run a ball movement offense in which everyone touches the balls.

I'm actually agreeing with Turd lmao

But this is facts

 

[c_commander]

Why risk further injury? You are right, there is nothing to risk when you are playing for the number one pick.

Let me ask you something, can you name a single team thats trying to win games actually SHUT DOWN their two best players even though they healthy?

Ill wait.

First of all, Simmons was out with a foot injury which are known to be slow to heal. None of us saw Simmons medical, rehab or anything else so how do you know that he was healthy. Same with Embiid who has had foot issues. So if Embiid is out with a knee, comes back too early and hurts the knee worse or the foot again cause of the body compensating for a hurt knee what was the point?
How did the Sixers end up with the #3 pick? I'll tell you cause it wasn't their pick. It was the Kings pick via a pick swap acquired in a trade years ago. So they didn't need to lose they only needed the Kings to suck which the Kings do consistently.
And they didn't get the #1 pick cause they were the worst team in the league. They made a trade to get the pick.

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

First of all, Simmons was out with a foot injury which are known to be slow to heal. None of us saw Simmons medical, rehab or anything else so how do you know that he was healthy. Same with Embiid who has had foot issues. So if Embiid is out with a knee, comes back too early and hurts the knee worse or the foot again cause of the body compensating for a hurt knee what was the point?
How did the Sixers end up with the #3 pick? I'll tell you cause it wasn't their pick. It was the Kings pick via a pick swap acquired in a trade years ago. So they didn't need to lose they only needed the Kings to suck which the Kings do consistently.
And they didn't get the #1 pick cause they were the worst team in the league. They made a trade to get the pick.

Think is, Dude is spewing Year 1-2 of the process rhetoric, none of which makes any sense at this juncture... Absolutely none of it. If this was 2015 and he was typing this shit, cool, but now, in 2017, his logic makes absolutely no sense whatsoever...

 

[thundercat]

Some of you dudes are funny. A selfish cat is trying to leave a loaded team that's been to 3 straight finals and primed for another finals run while averaging 26 ppg in the playoffs , but it's somehow LeBron's fault? Kyrie is a free agent in 2 years, so it's not like he can't leave at 27 years of age and "create his own legacy" if that's what he really wants to do.

 

[KingTaharqa]

Some of you dudes are funny. A selfish cat is trying to leave a loaded team that's been to 3 straight finals and primed for another finals run while averaging 26 ppg in the playoffs , but it's somehow LeBron's fault? Kyrie is a free agent in 2 years, so it's not like he can't leave at 27 years of age and "create his own legacy" if that's what he really wants to do.

These dudes are passive agressive dickriders/haters. Up in the wee hours of the morning venting bout the greatest small forward to ever play the game. Anytime they can get a shot in on James they gon take it. Now they sympathize and feel sorry for Kyrie who was about to leave Cleveland in 2014 til he got word LeBron was coming back. Shit is beyond transparent, thats why its the same 3-4 dudes.