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Ewing played for the Knicks almost his entire career and they were one of the best teams in the league when he was there. His other teams were the Sonics (Thunder) and Magic. Not bad franchises. The Magic went to the finals with Ewing as an assistant coach.

"Trash players" are easy to treat like trash employees as management. Not that many great players have even attempted coaching. Ewing's most elite teammate, Mark Jackson (top 5 all-time in assists), did pretty well as a head coach. I'm not buying those reasons.

I'm talking as a coach. It's proven winners are given opportunities before losers. Look at the Spurs effect on the league, the Parcells coaching tree, Dean Smith impact, etc..

If Pat was on championship team, he would have been a coach by now. Mark Jackson is a guard and they get shots quicker than big men. Check the stats
 
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:lol::lol::lol: I gotta watch this shit.

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I'm talking as a coach. It's proven winners are given opportunities before losers. Look at the Spurs effect on the league, the Parcells coaching tree, Dean Smith impact, etc..

If Pat was on championship team, he would have been a coach by now. Mark Jackson is a guard and they get shots quicker than big men. Check the stats

Might be some truth to this.....they couldn't wait to make Avery Johnson a coach......hell I remember one game Don NElson was like fuck this you coach the team and got T'd up. :lol:

Pat paid his dues though........do we know if he can coach? Has he been a part of a winning organization?
 
Might be some truth to this.....they couldn't wait to make Avery Johnson a coach......hell I remember one game Don NElson was like fuck this you coach the team and got T'd up. :lol:

Pat paid his dues though........do we know if he can coach? Has he been a part of a winning organization?

I think Pat is going do well at Georgetown. Hope he brings them back to respectability
 
I'm talking as a coach. It's proven winners are given opportunities before losers. Look at the Spurs effect on the league, the Parcells coaching tree, Dean Smith impact, etc..

If Pat was on championship team, he would have been a coach by now. Mark Jackson is a guard and they get shots quicker than big men. Check the stats

Might be some truth to this.....they couldn't wait to make Avery Johnson a coach......hell I remember one game Don NElson was like fuck this you coach the team and got T'd up. :lol:

Pat paid his dues though........do we know if he can coach? Has he been a part of a winning organization?

I'm well aware guards get a shot before big men. The less threatening, the better.

But Ewing started as a coach with the Rockets making the playoffs two out of three seasons and then went to the Finals with the Magic. He has been a part of winning organizations, which ran through big men who he was charged with coaching. His resume isn't the issue.
 
I'm well aware guards get a shot before big men. The less threatening, the better.

But Ewing started as a coach with the Rockets making the playoffs two out of three seasons and then went to the Finals with the Magic. He has been a part of winning organizations, which ran through big men who he was charged with coaching. His resume isn't the issue.

But did he win a championship there?
 
But did he win a championship there?

8 franchises have won championships this century... Are you going to tell me that all these white coaches and GMs are from championship squads? (As if that makes Luke Walton more qualified than Patrick Ewing, anyway...)
 
8 franchises have won championships this century... Are you going to tell me that all these white coaches and GMs are from championship squads? (As if that makes Luke Walton more qualified than Patrick Ewing, anyway...)

Brother, just look at the coaches now.

http://www.espn.com/nba/coaches

How many of them dudes haven't won a chip,
come from a championship organization or aren't former guards themselves? Are their any centers on that list?
 
Brother, just look at the coaches now.

http://www.espn.com/nba/coaches

How many of them dudes haven't won a chip,
come from a championship organization or aren't former guards themselves? Are their any centers on that list?

Coaches and GMs, I asked, since this conversation started with Sean Marks.

Why do you keep citing discrimination against big men as if the fact that it exists makes it right? I already acknowledged that's a barrier, though it didn't stop 6'10 waste of space Sean Marks from advancing.

Jeff Hornacek being a guard doesn't suddenly make this shit fair at all. I'm not gonna google all these guys to see who was on championship coaching staffs but the guard defense is a weak excuse IMO. You just have to look at the talent and who gets elevated to know what is going on.
 
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Coaches and GMs, I asked, since this conversation started with Sean Marks.

Why do you keep citing discrimination against big men as if the fact that it exists makes it right? I already acknowledged that's a barrier, though it didn't stop 6'10 waste of space Sean Marks from advancing.

Jeff Hornacek being a guard doesn't suddenly make this shit fair at all. I'm not gonna google all these guys to see who was on championship coaching staffs but the guard defense is a weak excuse IMO. You just have to look at the talent and who gets elevated to know what is going on.

It's not about it being right, I just recognize the reasons why.
 
It's not about it being right, I just recognize the reasons why.

Those are reasons why but they are less determinative than the main reason, which is that the athletic work is largely meritocratic and dominated by blacks but the "brain work" is totally subjective and whites are placed in leadership positions at a rate that is ridiculously disproportionate to their place in the game. At the very least, it should be called out and not obscured by cliches.

You're mostly right but I think you're reaching for reasons #2-5 and not putting #1 front and center where it should be.
 
Those are reasons why but they are less determinative than the main reason, which is that the athletic work is largely meritocratic and dominated by blacks but the "brain work" is totally subjective and whites are placed in leadership positions at a rate that is ridiculously disproportionate to their place in the game. At the very least, it should be called out and not obscured by cliches.

You're mostly right but I think you're reaching for reasons #2-5 and not putting #1 front and center where it should be.
Dog

Pat has zero championship experience

He's not gonna be like Adrian Daniels or something like tha

Once he fails at GT, he will go away like he did in 2001 from the knicks
 
Dog

Pat has zero championship experience

He's not gonna be like Adrian Daniels or something like tha

Once he fails at GT, he will go away like he did in 2001 from the knicks

The Knicks have won one playoff game in your lifetime. That's it since they traded Ewing-- One in 17 years. There is not one player outside of LeBron James who has singlehandedly propped up an organization over the last 30 years more than Patrick Ewing.

What championships did Jeff Hornacek win to make him more qualified to coach the Knicks? What rec league did Frank Vogel win his championships in? You're going to tell me Luke Walton sitting around watching Kobe win championships gives him some sort of expertise Patrick Ewing doesn't have?

The larger point, beyond Ewing, is that there needs to be a lot more done in the NBA to make the management look more like the managed. The NBPA should work to make opportunities for players beyond their athletic primes more plentiful. And those need to be equitable, not a system where these white guys go from last on the bench to calling the shots. I believe players would support that.
 
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The Knicks have won one playoff game in your lifetime. That's it since they traded Ewing-- One in 17 years. There is not one player outside of LeBron James who has singlehandedly propped up an organization over the last 30 years more than Patrick Ewing.

What championships did Jeff Hornacek win to make him more qualified to coach the Knicks? What rec league did Frank Vogel win his championships in? You're going to tell me Luke Walton sitting around watching Kobe win championships gives him some sort of expertise Patrick Ewing doesn't have?

The larger point, beyond Ewing, is that there needs to be a lot more done in the NBA to make the management look more like the managed. The NBPA should work to make opportunities for players beyond their athletic primes more plentiful. And those need to be equitable, not a system where these white guys go from last on the bench to calling the shots. I believe players would support that.
I saw the snicks win in 94, 95 , 96 ,97 and 99 playoff series

In the 2001's only the melo team

Pat didn't no move the magic or the rockets

Maybe he's arrogant in the offices and interviews

U mad?
 
Those are reasons why but they are less determinative than the main reason, which is that the athletic work is largely meritocratic and dominated by blacks but the "brain work" is totally subjective and whites are placed in leadership positions at a rate that is ridiculously disproportionate to their place in the game. At the very least, it should be called out and not obscured by cliches.

You're mostly right but I think you're reaching for reasons #2-5 and not putting #1 front and center where it should be.

We all know this
 
The Knicks have won one playoff game in your lifetime. That's it since they traded Ewing-- One in 17 years. There is not one player outside of LeBron James who has singlehandedly propped up an organization over the last 30 years more than Patrick Ewing.

What championships did Jeff Hornacek win to make him more qualified to coach the Knicks? What rec league did Frank Vogel win his championships in? You're going to tell me Luke Walton sitting around watching Kobe win championships gives him some sort of expertise Patrick Ewing doesn't have?

The larger point, beyond Ewing, is that there needs to be a lot more done in the NBA to make the management look more like the managed. The NBPA should work to make opportunities for players beyond their athletic primes more plentiful. And those need to be equitable, not a system where these white guys go from last on the bench to calling the shots. I believe players would support that.

Right

Since when did winning a championship as a player become a prerequisite

And if that's the case why didn't Kareem ever get a chance
 
The Knicks have won one playoff game in your lifetime. That's it since they traded Ewing-- One in 17 years. There is not one player outside of LeBron James who has singlehandedly propped up an organization over the last 30 years more than Patrick Ewing.

What championships did Jeff Hornacek win to make him more qualified to coach the Knicks? What rec league did Frank Vogel win his championships in? You're going to tell me Luke Walton sitting around watching Kobe win championships gives him some sort of expertise Patrick Ewing doesn't have?

The larger point, beyond Ewing, is that there needs to be a lot more done in the NBA to make the management look more like the managed. The NBPA should work to make opportunities for players beyond their athletic primes more plentiful. And those need to be equitable, not a system where these white guys go from last on the bench to calling the shots. I believe players would support that.
While I ride with most of what you typed, the NBPA is powerless in this context because once a player retires they are no longer Players. Team ownership cannot be governed that way and owners have the right to sign who they want too...
 
Dion Waiters gives his take on LeBron James-Kevin Durant comparisons


LeBron James and Kevin Durant, for the most part of their careers, have been compared to each other countless times by fans and experts alike and that will likely continue for many years to come. And now, a shining beacon of basketball wisdom in the form of Dion Waiters has blessed us with his own take on the LeBron-KD comparisons.

Asked by Fox Sports 1’s Colin Cowherd to paint a picture of each player’s personality, Waiters briefly broke down James’ first, saying that the four-time MVP is a “teacher’s teacher” and a “coach on the floor”, descriptions that reinforce the most popular perceptions of the Cleveland Cavaliers superstar. As for Durant, Waiters tells Cowherd that the Golden State Warriors forward is less of a vocal guy, choosing instead to let his play on the court speak for itself.



Having played alongside both superstars on different teams, with James in Cleveland and with Durant for the Oklahoma City Thunder, Waiters is one of the few guys in the league who definitely know the two former MVPs beyond the surface.

Waiters signed a four-year $52 million deal with the Miami Heat this summer after averaging 15.8 points across 46 games in South Beach last season.
 
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Jonah Bolden looks ready for NBA, but do Sixers have spot for him?
Updated: JULY 10, 2017 — 7:15 PM EDT

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LAS VEGAS – Jonah Bolden has proven that he’s capable of playing for the 76ers next season.


In summer-league games, the 36th pick in the NBA draft has shown that he’s the type of the player the Sixers covet.

Bolden has displayed the athleticism needed to contribute in the Sixers’ up-tempo style of play. Although his shooting has been inconsistent, he possesses the shooting range needed to effectively space the floor. And the 6-foot-10 forward has showcased the stellar shot-blocking and pass-deflection skills that the team craves.

He’s definitely talented enough to be a member of the 2017-18 team.

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“That’s what I wanted to show,” said Bolden, who played this past season in Serbia.

But although things could change, he’s scheduled to play with KK Crvena zvezda in Belgrade, Serbia, this coming season. The 21-year-old Australian signed a two-year contract with the professional team on June 10. If need be, Bolden won’t have a problem getting out of his contract. His buyout is for $675,000.

As good as he is, the Sixers really don’t have a spot for him night now. That’s one of the reasons he’s scheduled to play in Belgrade.

NBA rosters will expand from 15 to 17 players next season under the new collective bargaining agreement. The 16th and 17th roster spots will be two-way contracts. Two-way players will go back and forth from the NBA to the G-League, formerly the NBA Development League.

Still, it’s going to be tight.

The 15 players under contract for the Sixers next season are Markelle Fultz, J.J. Redick, Amir Johnson, Joel Embiid, Ben Simmons, Dario Saric, Timothe Luwawu-Carrabot, Jerryd Bayless, Jahlil Okafor, Justin Anderson, Furkan Korkmaz, Nik Stauskas, T.J. McConnell, Richaun Holmes, and Robert Covington.

Alex Poythress is a candidate for one of the two-way deals and Bolden could be eligible as well. However, NBA teams are allowed to bring two-way players up for a maximum of 45 days. After that, they would have to sign the players to the regular 15-man roster. In that case, the Sixers would have to release someone to make room for Bolden.

Because he is slated to stay overseas for now, that gives them roster flexibility. However, the former UCLA player has been effective in the summer leagues.

Bolden struggled from the field, making just 37.9 percent of his shots in last week’s three Utah Jazz Summer League games. However, he still averaged 10 points, 5.3 rebounds, 1.3 assists, 2.0 steals, and a league-best 2.30 blocks.

In two games in the NBA Summer League, Bolden is averaging nine points on 58.3 percent shooting. He’s also averaging seven rebounds, 1.5 assists, 1.5 steals, and one block.

The only thing that Bolden hasn’t been able to consistently do in both summer leagues is make three-pointers. He’s shooting just 31.5 percent from deep in the five games.

But the Sixers aren’t concerned. Bolden has shown that he can contribute in other ways when his shot isn’t falling.

“The beauty of his intrigue is defensively he can rim-protect,” said Sixers assistant Lloyd Pierce, who is coaching the summer-league squad in Vegas. “Defensively, he can get out in the perimeter to use his length and athleticism to be a pest on the ball.

“And offensively, his athleticism, he can finish around the rim, and we know that he can make three-point shots.”

Bolden played for FMP Belgrade last season. Showing versatility, he played both forward positions and was named the Adriatic League’s top prospect. He averaged 12.9 points and 7.2 rebounds and shot 41.9 percent on three-pointers.

 
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