Its good to hear that this movie is getting good reviews so far but I'm prob not going to see no DC movies this year!!..I just got bad vibes about DC movies right now and i will wait until it comes on the internet to watch it!!
Wonder Woman: Discussion thread (spoilers)
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Wow, these guys sound real butthurt… over a really good movie.
If you put the Lasso of Truth around them....
DC Makes a bad movie: "Man, Fuck DC"
DC makes a good movie: “Yeah, I just cannot bring myself to admit the movie was good without over-criticizing every minor detail & all the dumbest shit that I would just overlook in ANY other movie“
@ViCiouS ... you had the first thread. Put discussion thread in the title. No sense to have 2 different threads.
I just came back from a afternoon show and I loved this movie. This is easily the best D.C. Shared Universe movie in my opinion. Was it perfect.. no but it was great and gal gadot won me over.
I do have some complaints and it's more about D.C. Mismanagement of their shared universe and not the movie.
1. Why the fuck do you not have an end credits scene when you have justice league coming up? Seriously... make me hype for the movie. You can't do this shared universe with just random movies in between.
2. There is no fucking way that Wonder Woman should have had any problems with Doomday. I'm not going to spoil it but I'm sure that when more people watch that final battle.. you will agree with me. Doomday shouldn't have touched her. In fact... nobody really should be able to touch her.
But that's really my only complaint other then the fact that it's extremely similar to the first captain America in some ways.
I just came back from a afternoon show and I loved this movie. This is easily the best D.C. Shared Universe movie in my opinion. Was it perfect.. no but it was great and gal gadot won me over.
I do have some complaints and it's more about D.C. Mismanagement of their shared universe and not the movie.
1. Why the fuck do you not have an end credits scene when you have justice league coming up? Seriously... make me hype for the movie. You can't do this shared universe with just random movies in between.
2. There is no fucking way that Wonder Woman should have had any problems with Doomday. I'm not going to spoil it but I'm sure that when more people watch that final battle.. you will agree with me. Doomday shouldn't have touched her. In fact... nobody really should be able to touch her.
But that's really my only complaint other then the fact that it's extremely similar to the first captain America in some ways.
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Just posted my opinion and I've been killing this D.C. Movies on this board for a minute. So it takes a lot for me to like it.
^^^ Agreed. The hype is REAL.
I wouldn't disagree with anyone who thinks that WW... is a BETTER movie... than Dark Knight with Heath Ledger.
Honestly, you can flip a coin between these two DC films, imo.
(Personally, I still prefer TDK however.... but it's really just a matter of 'individual preference'. To each their own.)
And even if you think TDK is better (like I do).... I would say that WW is right 'on his heels' in 2nd place.
Yes, Wonder Woman was THAT GOOD, imo.
This was a top notch 'origin story', as far 'comic book movies' go...
(Shheeeiiiittt... you might even shed a tear, or two before the end credits roll.
Or at least get kinda 'misty-eyed'. 
)And I can see how folks will still be 'heated' at WB Management for the other recent films (and I don't blame them)... because personally, I think this Wonder Woman movie was the first time (in a very loooong time
) that the WB Studio Execs just 'got out of the way' & let Patty Jenkins do her thing... and didn't put lots of their own 'personal input' into the Final Cut, or 'chop the movie up' just to sell more tickets. It's a complete film.... That tells a 'coherent' story.
From start to finish.If WB has learned from their past mistakes.... they need to stick to the WW gameplan, to continue their box-office success in order to keep up with Marvel.
What I mean is... they don't have to 'tell the same type of stories' over & over again... just continue to be more 'hands off' in their oversight... and let the moviemakers 'tell their story' without any interference from the Executive Team.
People like the VP of Worldwide Distribution, or the VP of Marketing, or the CFO, or the EVP of Strategic Partnerships...... should NOT be making ANY 'decisions' about 'which scenes' need to be 'cut out', or 're-shot', or 'need different lighting', or need to be 're-written', or need to be 'saved for the Director's Cut of the DVD'... or anything like that.
Keep all them 'bean counters' out of the Editing Booths (and the Director's Chair).
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@Lexx Diamond or @Helico-pterFunk
We need a thread merge... We have two 3 page threads on the same topic..
http://www.bgol.us/forum/index.php?...an-yeah-ni99as-i-went-1st-showing-lol.953232/
We need a thread merge... We have two 3 page threads on the same topic..
http://www.bgol.us/forum/index.php?...an-yeah-ni99as-i-went-1st-showing-lol.953232/
Movie was damn good, worth the $, great coherent story and well developed character's
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And all of this is great; I was wrong when i said a few weeks ago that I wouldnt do over 60mill; Its still going to die soon with all the other movies coming out; and its coming no where near GOG2; and I still dont think it will be the movie of the summer; no where close; but good for DC for actually making a decent/good movie...^^^ Agreed. The hype is REAL.
I wouldn't disagree with anyone who thinks that WW... is a BETTER movie... than Dark Knight with Heath Ledger.
Honestly, you can flip a coin between these two DC films, imo.
(Personally, I still prefer TDK however.... but it's really just a matter of 'individual preference'. To each their own.)
And even if you think TDK is better (like I do).... I would say that WW is right 'on his heels' in 2nd place.
Yes, Wonder Woman was THAT GOOD, imo.
This was a top notch 'origin story', as far 'comic book movies' go...
(Shheeeiiiittt... you might even shed a tear, or two before the end credits roll.
And I can see how folks will still be 'heated' at WB Management for the other recent films (and I don't blame them)... because personally, I think this Wonder Woman movie was the first time (in a very loooong time
It's a complete film.... That tells a 'coherent' story.
If WB has learned from their past mistakes.... they need to stick to the WW gameplan, to continue their box-office success in order to keep up with Marvel.
What I mean is... they don't have to 'tell the same type of stories' over & over again... just continue to be more 'hands off' in their oversight... and let the moviemakers 'tell their story' without any interference from the Executive Team.
People like the VP of Worldwide Distribution, or the VP of Marketing, or the CFO, or the EVP of Strategic Partnerships...... should NOT be making ANY 'decisions' about 'which scenes' need to be 'cut out', or 're-shot', or 'need different lighting', or need to be 're-written', or need to be 'saved for the Director's Cut of the DVD'... or anything like that.
Keep all them 'bean counters' out of the Editing Booths (and the Director's Chair).
I think word of mouth is going to do wonders for it... The only threat next weekend is The Mummy and I'm not at all hyped to see it. I think it has a shot for maybe 2 weeks.
Edit.. damn they are predicting 95 mill weekend.... Way higher then I thought.
Side note.... Captain Underpants is going to do WAY BETTER then I would have thought.... there were like a million in kids in line to see during the afternoon show.
UPDATE AGAIN... After looking at the rest of the Releases for June... Wonder Woman could be around for 2 to 3 weeks on top..
I don't have much hope in the Mummy... and the only other big releases this month are Cars 3 and Transformers.... and even though I'm hyped for transformers I know that the Domestic probably wont be that strong.... People love the Characters but are burnt out on Michael Bay's approach to them.
I don't have much hope in the Mummy... and the only other big releases this month are Cars 3 and Transformers.... and even though I'm hyped for transformers I know that the Domestic probably wont be that strong.... People love the Characters but are burnt out on Michael Bay's approach to them.
My biggest issue is the complete lack of an end credits scene. I mean you put one in Suicide Squad for zero reason but none in this one... the movie that is the lead up to the first attempt at a live action Justice League movie. This was just a wasted opportunity and it squandered the good will that this movie will generate because now it feels like Wonder Woman is just a separate flick...
This reviewer is bugging - its almost like he said "Allah u Akbar" before writing this -
Wonder Woman Is a Star Turn for Gal Gadot, But the Rest Is Pretty Clunky
http://www.vulture.com/2017/06/movie-review-wonder-woman-is-a-star-turn-for-gal-gadot.html
The only grace note in the generally clunky Wonder Woman is its star, the five-foot-ten-inch Israeli actress and model Gal Gadot, who is somehow the perfect blend of superbabe-in-the-woods innocence and mouthiness. She plays Diana, the daughter of the Amazon queen Hippolyta (Connie Nielsen) and a trained warrior. But she’s also a militant peacenik. Diana lives with Amazon women on a mystically shrouded island but she’s not Amazonian herself. She was, we’re told, sculpted by her mother from clay and brought to life by Zeus. (I’d like to have seen that.) The movie chronicles her hunt for another spawn of Zeus: Ares, god of war, whom she’s convinced is responsible for the ongoing barbarity on Flanders Field and other parts of Europe. She has no evidence for that. She simply believes that humans are inherently good and that there’d be no war if Ares weren’t putting evil thoughts in people’s heads. Wonder Woman is the story of how Diana learns a more complicated truth, one that won’t be big news to you, but then you weren’t sculpted from clay.
Gadot didn’t wow me in her debut in Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice. Her elation while fighting made for a welcome counterpoint to all the gloom, but she seemed like a stiff out of costume. But maybe it was Ben Affleck’s heaviness that dragged her down. She’s a treat here with her raspy accented voice and driving delivery. (Israeli women are a breed unto themselves, which I say with both admiration and trepidation.) In some scenes, Gadot’s Diana pauses mid-rant and a vertical crease appears at the base of her broad forehead — her mind is churning. Why do humans kill the innocent? Where is Ares? Are men necessary for anything but procreation?
While this Wonder Woman is still into ropes (Diana’s lasso both catches bad guys and squeezes the truth out of them), fans might be disappointed that there’s no trace of the comic’s well-documented S&M kinkiness. With a female director, Patty Jenkins, at the helm, Diana isn’t even photographed to elicit slobbers. Slobbering, S&M-oriented American patriots will be even more put out, given that WW is no longer dressed in red, white, and blue but golden-toned for the international — and perhaps these days less American-friendly — ticket buyers. I didn’t miss Lynda Carter’s buxom, apple-cheeked pinup, though. It was worth waiting for Gadot.
You do have to wait for Gadot’s Wonder Woman to appear in costume. After a humdrum training montage against settings that look like rear projections, the movie begins to shake off its doldrums. Chris Pine as American spy Steve Trevor crash-lands in the sea with a German platoon on his tail. It emerges that he’s trying to keep the Huns from using an especially virulent gas, the brainchild of a general named Ludendorff (Danny Huston) and disfigured female scientist Dr. Maru (Elena Anaya).
The movie really snaps to life when Diana and Steve arrive in London to plead with the British command to give them resources to take on Ludendorff. It’s a fish-out-of-water set-up — Diana is a sort of mermaid with no idea how to dress or talk to male authority figures or even use a revolving door — and Pine with his otherworldly blue eyes makes a sweet and tender straight man. She looks fabulous in her suffragette outfit with little specs, but it’s not until she strips down to her superheroine bodice and shorts, pulls out her sword, and leaps into the fray, that she comes into her own. More focused on world peace than bombs and bullets, she’s on an ecstatic plane of her own.
Alas, much of her fighting is computer-enhanced, and there are too many of the kind of slo-mo leaps and midair freezes that got old at the time of the third Matrix movie. Jenkins is no visual stylist, and the battles are a hash. The other night on the season finale of TV’s The Americans, Keri Russell’s Elizabeth trained her daughter Paige (Holly Taylor) in hand-to-hand combat in their garage, and watching them feint and parry and lightly slap each other was more satisfying than any of the fights in Wonder Woman. It wasn’t just that you cared about this mother and daughter. You could watch their whole bodies move through space in long takes — unlike the new breed of superhero films, in which fights are chopped into little pieces or larded with slow motion and over-amplified blows. The problem is compounded by Rupert Gregson-Williams’s music, which is a nonstop assault — especially when Wonder Woman emerges for the first time in costume and marking the occasion is some kind of twangy electronic cello that made me wince.
The gushing reviews of Wonder Woman suggest that people are grading on a big curve, but the limpness of the storytelling is certainly preferable to the whacking pacing of other movies of its ilk. Jenkins plainly has affection for the supporting zanies, among them Said Taghmaoui as one of Steve’s pick-up squadron and Eugene Brave Rock as the Native American chief who clues Diana in to the fact that the U.S. was once as rapacious as the Germans in wiping people out. (This is part of her education in man’s inhumanity to man.) And it’s worth mentioning that I didn’t see Wonder Woman in 3-D, which might make a difference. Perhaps the movie’s fake-y palette — multiple planes that recall old View-Master toys — would pop when treated with so artificial a process. An early, expository rendering of Titian-like depictions of Greek gods at war might be especially savory.
The climax of Wonder Woman did send me out happy. At regular intervals in the epic battle between Wonder Woman and Ares, Jenkins cuts to close-ups of Gal Gadot against the red-and-gold sky. Her face looks Pre-Raphaelite, flushed and suffused with a sense of purpose. She’s both human and archetypal. Gadot belongs in this crazy-tacky superhero universe, and I kind of think I’ll follow her anywhere.
Wonder Woman Is a Star Turn for Gal Gadot, But the Rest Is Pretty Clunky
http://www.vulture.com/2017/06/movie-review-wonder-woman-is-a-star-turn-for-gal-gadot.html
The only grace note in the generally clunky Wonder Woman is its star, the five-foot-ten-inch Israeli actress and model Gal Gadot, who is somehow the perfect blend of superbabe-in-the-woods innocence and mouthiness. She plays Diana, the daughter of the Amazon queen Hippolyta (Connie Nielsen) and a trained warrior. But she’s also a militant peacenik. Diana lives with Amazon women on a mystically shrouded island but she’s not Amazonian herself. She was, we’re told, sculpted by her mother from clay and brought to life by Zeus. (I’d like to have seen that.) The movie chronicles her hunt for another spawn of Zeus: Ares, god of war, whom she’s convinced is responsible for the ongoing barbarity on Flanders Field and other parts of Europe. She has no evidence for that. She simply believes that humans are inherently good and that there’d be no war if Ares weren’t putting evil thoughts in people’s heads. Wonder Woman is the story of how Diana learns a more complicated truth, one that won’t be big news to you, but then you weren’t sculpted from clay.
Gadot didn’t wow me in her debut in Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice. Her elation while fighting made for a welcome counterpoint to all the gloom, but she seemed like a stiff out of costume. But maybe it was Ben Affleck’s heaviness that dragged her down. She’s a treat here with her raspy accented voice and driving delivery. (Israeli women are a breed unto themselves, which I say with both admiration and trepidation.) In some scenes, Gadot’s Diana pauses mid-rant and a vertical crease appears at the base of her broad forehead — her mind is churning. Why do humans kill the innocent? Where is Ares? Are men necessary for anything but procreation?
While this Wonder Woman is still into ropes (Diana’s lasso both catches bad guys and squeezes the truth out of them), fans might be disappointed that there’s no trace of the comic’s well-documented S&M kinkiness. With a female director, Patty Jenkins, at the helm, Diana isn’t even photographed to elicit slobbers. Slobbering, S&M-oriented American patriots will be even more put out, given that WW is no longer dressed in red, white, and blue but golden-toned for the international — and perhaps these days less American-friendly — ticket buyers. I didn’t miss Lynda Carter’s buxom, apple-cheeked pinup, though. It was worth waiting for Gadot.
You do have to wait for Gadot’s Wonder Woman to appear in costume. After a humdrum training montage against settings that look like rear projections, the movie begins to shake off its doldrums. Chris Pine as American spy Steve Trevor crash-lands in the sea with a German platoon on his tail. It emerges that he’s trying to keep the Huns from using an especially virulent gas, the brainchild of a general named Ludendorff (Danny Huston) and disfigured female scientist Dr. Maru (Elena Anaya).
The movie really snaps to life when Diana and Steve arrive in London to plead with the British command to give them resources to take on Ludendorff. It’s a fish-out-of-water set-up — Diana is a sort of mermaid with no idea how to dress or talk to male authority figures or even use a revolving door — and Pine with his otherworldly blue eyes makes a sweet and tender straight man. She looks fabulous in her suffragette outfit with little specs, but it’s not until she strips down to her superheroine bodice and shorts, pulls out her sword, and leaps into the fray, that she comes into her own. More focused on world peace than bombs and bullets, she’s on an ecstatic plane of her own.
Alas, much of her fighting is computer-enhanced, and there are too many of the kind of slo-mo leaps and midair freezes that got old at the time of the third Matrix movie. Jenkins is no visual stylist, and the battles are a hash. The other night on the season finale of TV’s The Americans, Keri Russell’s Elizabeth trained her daughter Paige (Holly Taylor) in hand-to-hand combat in their garage, and watching them feint and parry and lightly slap each other was more satisfying than any of the fights in Wonder Woman. It wasn’t just that you cared about this mother and daughter. You could watch their whole bodies move through space in long takes — unlike the new breed of superhero films, in which fights are chopped into little pieces or larded with slow motion and over-amplified blows. The problem is compounded by Rupert Gregson-Williams’s music, which is a nonstop assault — especially when Wonder Woman emerges for the first time in costume and marking the occasion is some kind of twangy electronic cello that made me wince.
The gushing reviews of Wonder Woman suggest that people are grading on a big curve, but the limpness of the storytelling is certainly preferable to the whacking pacing of other movies of its ilk. Jenkins plainly has affection for the supporting zanies, among them Said Taghmaoui as one of Steve’s pick-up squadron and Eugene Brave Rock as the Native American chief who clues Diana in to the fact that the U.S. was once as rapacious as the Germans in wiping people out. (This is part of her education in man’s inhumanity to man.) And it’s worth mentioning that I didn’t see Wonder Woman in 3-D, which might make a difference. Perhaps the movie’s fake-y palette — multiple planes that recall old View-Master toys — would pop when treated with so artificial a process. An early, expository rendering of Titian-like depictions of Greek gods at war might be especially savory.
The climax of Wonder Woman did send me out happy. At regular intervals in the epic battle between Wonder Woman and Ares, Jenkins cuts to close-ups of Gal Gadot against the red-and-gold sky. Her face looks Pre-Raphaelite, flushed and suffused with a sense of purpose. She’s both human and archetypal. Gadot belongs in this crazy-tacky superhero universe, and I kind of think I’ll follow her anywhere.
Pretty good movie, I give it 4/5, first hour in a half was slow as fuck, but speeded up near the end. Plot had a few good twists.
this is now the spoiler thread
I do have to say one thing after watching this movie.... Marvel is really dropping the ball by not giving the people a fucking "Black Widow" movie. In fact this movie made me want to see a Black Widow Prequel movie even more. I mean you can almost make a Trilogy just from Black Widow's back story.
they have a damn good reason for no end credit scenes
they barely scraped together a decent movie - it took a lot of input and work from other film makers to turn the movie Patty shot into the film most now like or love
Now Joss Whedon has to reshoot and piece together JL to salvage it... they running the trailers but I expect the trailers used in September or October will have a different tone than ones we have seen so far
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The only directors so far in this gen of superhero flicks to get hand to hand right are the Russos, Miller and for a too brief scene in BvS by Affleck - so until they are willing to go to Asia for the director leave Black Widow alone - I have high hopes for Panther but we'll see.
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Me and the wife just saw it and we liked it. Not the best, but still better than any other DC flick. Gal Gadot's performance more than made up for whatever physical shortcomings many people felt she had.
Cool.
So was the Treaty of Versailles created by Ares knowing that it would lead to WW2?
Why didn't her mother tell her that she was the god killer right before she left the island?
why even ask?
just accept the miracle of this movie not being a train wreck or a mediocre effort a la Suicide Squad
Do you feel or think this movie is getting hyped because most all other DC movies have sucked?
This guy (David Edelstein) is a straight jackass
…. Who doesn’t know ‘jack shit’ about comic book characters… and should NEVER receive a ‘paycheck’ to review ANY superhero movies. At all.This ‘comment’ was posted below his recent Wonder Woman review, which VERY ACCURATELY sums up his worthless movie opinions.
“Here's a typical Edelstein superhero-movie review. He doesn't generally like the genre, so he doesn't understand what people who do find appealing about it.”
See for yourself…
Check out his review of The Dark Knight (with Heath Ledger)
http://nymag.com/movies/reviews/48514/
QUOTE: “Nolan appears to have no clue how to stage or shoot action.”
C’mon son. That’s absurd.
If I was his Editor-in-Chief... I would SMACK FIRE right outta his jawbone for handing this bullshit article in, right before the 'deadline'.
Then hand him a 'pink slip' .... and swiftly kick him in his 'back pockets' on his way out the door. -----------------------------
And his review of the Avengers
http://nymag.com/movies/reviews/avengers-five-year-engagement-2012-5/
QUOTE: “Multiple protagonists means that by the time you’ve had your fill of snotty Iron Man you get the wooden Captain, and when you’re bored with the Captain, you get the Norse hottie.”
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And his review of Civil War
http://www.vulture.com/2016/04/movie-review-captain-america-civil-war.html
QUOTE: “The best way to think of Captain America: Civil War is as a toy box in which the sheer quantity of toys partly makes up for the lack of anything new. But the big takeaway is worrisome. Marvel has created a universe teeming with superheroes who simply don’t have enough to do. They’re all suited up with nowhere to go.”
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And his review of Winter Soldier
http://www.vulture.com/2014/04/review-captain-america-the-winter-soldier.html
QUOTE: “In the martial-arts-heavy fight scenes, the frames are too tight for my taste — they’re rock-‘em-sock-‘em blurs.“
QUOTE: “The FX-swollen climax is too long and repetitious — it lacks elegance. How many times can the Captain throw his mighty shield before you think, Ho hum? The filmmakers introduce yet another action hero — Falcon (Anthony Mackie) — who adds nothing but fake-looking swoops and more clutter, and the fight between the Captain and the mysterious, deadly assassin the Winter Soldier goes on and on with diminishing returns.”
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Bottom line, Edelstein is one of those: “I think I’m EDGY... just because I shit on everything that becomes very popular”... types of Movie Critics, who tries real hard to be a 'contrarian'... just to get some attention.
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The only way they will stop is for people to stop watching.
Plus we all know Michael Bay lying through his teeth when he says that"This will be my LAST Transformers movie.."
That's what he said back when Dark Of The Moon came out,then Paramount was like 
and he came back for Age Of ExtinctionArguably the best superhero flick since Winter Soldier. Better villains and motivations than Civil War, and the character development was on par with GOG2. Easily the DCEU's top film. It was a tight coherent well paced story from start to finish that paid homage to the traditional character, but also served as a fresh take. Struck all the right emotional chords. Great Action sequences and stellar acting in all of the major roles. 9.5/10
Had to take off .5 due to the lack of a cut scene, and the one sort of rushed attempt to tie up loose ends (the line that Ares had killed all of the other Gods, except Zeus). I've already seen it twice, and will probably see it again.
Had to take off .5 due to the lack of a cut scene, and the one sort of rushed attempt to tie up loose ends (the line that Ares had killed all of the other Gods, except Zeus). I've already seen it twice, and will probably see it again.
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