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Adam Silver: Resting star players 'a significant issue for the league'

NBA commissioner Adam Silver has called the practice of teams resting marquee players "an extremely significant issue for our league" in a memo sent to team owners Monday and obtained ‎by ESPN.

In the memo, Silver informed teams that the issue will be a prime topic of discussion at the next NBA board of governors meeting April 6 in New York and warned of ‎"significant penalties" for teams that don't abide by the league's standing rules for providing ‎"notice to the league office, their opponent, and the media immediately upon a determination that a player will not participate in a game due to rest."

He states that it is unacceptable for owners to be uninvolved or defer decision-making on this topic to others in their organizations, who may not have the same awareness of the impact these decisions can have on "fans and business partners," the reputation of the league and "perception of our game."

After the Cavaliers decided to rest their Big Three of LeBron James, Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love for a 108-78 loss to the LA Clippers on Saturday, Cleveland general manager David Griffin said the league office called him shortly after the team announced its decision.

But the GM also said it isn't his job to appease the league and its television partners (which include ESPN).

"They're paying me to win a championship," Griffin told ESPN. "I'm not overly concerned about the perception of it. We literally had one guy rest tonight, and everybody else was reasonably injured, so I don't feel like we did anything terribly egregious."

On Monday, ESPN released a statement about teams resting their star players during nationally televised games.

"As always, our aim is to serve NBA fans with the best matchups involving the league's top stars and we share the fans' disappointment. We understand this is a complex issue and we're working closely with the NBA to best address it going forward from a media partnership standpoint," the statement said.

It was the second consecutive week a team that had been to the Finals rested multiple star players in the nationally televised game on ABC. A week earlier, the Golden State Warriors sat Stephen Curry, Klay Thompson, Draymond Green and Andre Iguodala for their Western Conference showdown against the San Antonio Spurs.

Golden State coach Steve Kerr told ESPN's Tom Haberstroh that he made his decision as a way to navigate the team's stretch of eight games in eight cities in just 13 days -- including two cross-country flights and 11,000 total miles covered.

Underlying Kerr's frustration was the fact that six of those eight games were nationally televised, meaning some of the dates could have been affected by the needs of broadcast partners.

Griffin said the Cavs' situation was different from that of the Warriors, who rested healthy players against the Spurs.

"It was nothing like the last time that happened," he told ESPN, referring to last weekend. "Those were three healthy dudes that rested. That's not what happened tonight. Yeah, it sucks from a timing perspective. I feel bad for the league. I really do. I feel bad for the league, but it is what it is for us, from an injury standpoint. As you know, we haven't had a team together for more than a week at a time all year."

Asked if ABC will have to consider not scheduling these marquee games if the stars keep sitting, Cavaliers coach Ty Lue acknowledged feeling bad about the situation.

"I know," he said. "Sorry, ABC. This wasn't intentional. It's serious. So no need to have setbacks to play one game on national TV. We're being smart about it."

Silver said in February that reducing the preseason and starting the regular season earlier was implemented in the new collective bargaining agreement to address the issue of resting players and help reduce injuries.

"That's why we're adding the extra week to the season," Silver said during his news conference at the All-Star Game. "We've reduced the number of games we'll play in the preseason and added a full week to the regular season. ... That extra week in our schedule will enable us to cut down on the back-to-backs, cut down on the number of times that our teams are obligated to play four games in five nights, and it will enable the coaches to provide additional rest for their players."


"So we do hope it will cut down on the resting of players in marquee games," Silver added. "I do recognize, though, that there isn't an easy solution to that problem, and I'm sympathetic to fans who turn out -- whether they buy tickets to games or watching games on television -- and don't see their favorite player on the floor. But we also have to be realistic that the science has gotten to the point where there is that direct correlation that we're aware of between fatigue and injuries. And as tough as it is on our fans to miss one of their favorite players for a game, it's far better than having them get injured and be out for long periods of time. So we're always still looking to strike that right balance."

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18962901/resting-star-players-significant-issue-league
 
Steve Kerr says Adam Silver’s condemnation of NBA teams resting players was ‘the right thing to do’
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Kerr and Dallas Mavericks coach Rick Carlisle acknowledged that the issue is complicated.
by Tim Cato@tim_cato Mar 21, 2017, 9:22pm EDT TWEET


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DALLAS — One day after the league office sent a memo to the 30 NBA team ownerswarning “significant penalties” for resting stars during national TV games, Golden State Warriors head coach Steve Kerr commended the note by calling it “smart” and “the right thing to do.”

Kerr’s Warriors have been in the middle of the resting players controversy after sitting Stephen Curry, Klay Thompson, Draymond Green, and Andre Iguodala two Saturdays ago on national television. Golden State did not hide the fact that it was resting those players, and a week later, the Cleveland Cavaliers did the same thing on primetime against the Los Angeles Clippers — sitting LeBron James, Kyrie Irving, and Kevin Love in a blowout.

“This is something that every organization needs to partner together with the league and our broadcasting partners and figure out what’s best for everybody,” Kerr said. “We all have the same interests at heart, which is why we need to do what’s best for the league. But there are great arguments on every side.”

There is certainly a prerogative for coaches and teams to rest their top players when advantageous in order to keep them fresh through an 82-game season.


“It’s shown to be so this past week,” Kerr said. “You can see our guys are fresher, their legs. So what can we all do, together? And I think that’s where Adam is really good in terms of taking a lot of opinions and finding solutions. This is not a right or wrong issue. It’s what can we do to best serve the league, best serve the player’s health.

“Is there a compromise? We’re already working on that by extending the season next year by 7-10 days. I think that’s going to be very helpful and I think the broadcast partners and the league can pay closer attention to the schedule when it comes out next year as they put that together.”

Dallas Mavericks head coach Rick Carlisle — who is a member of the league’s competition committee — also gave a thoughtful statement about the issue. He said the cutback on the preseason to reduce back-to-backs even further is a positive step. However, resting players is an important advantage coaches sometimes feel they must take with players throughout the season.


“When you coach in the league for a while, and you get a real feel for players and their levels of energy, their levels of wear and tear, both physically and emotionally,” Carlisle said. “There are just times where you know that a night of rest strategically and the space during a span of games is going to make a big difference in the long run.

“We need to educate our fans and our media about all that goes into player’s preparations for a game, particularly a high level player. When we used to sit Jason Kidd the last couple years here, it always made a huge difference because he puts so much into mental preparation and preparing to compete. We encouraged him to just stay away from the arena because we just knew that it was just going to be a real opportunity for him to clear his head and getting anywhere near the competition was going to be almost like suiting up and playing.

“It’s just a story that needs to be told. People need to understand that in the present structure of the schedule, there are just times when it really is the right thing to do.”

Carlisle acknowledged that the other side of the issue were real concerns, too, however. The key is that both sides are working together to fix this issue.

Kerr added that the league can do its part by being more cognizant of its national TV schedule.

“I do think this can be remedied though — maybe not remedied — but I think it can be dramatically helped with what the league is already working on for next year and the consideration of geographics [sic.] when it comes to the schedule,” Kerr said. “Our schedule two weeks ago, and I talked about it quite a bit, the way we bounced around from city to city didn’t make any geographical sense. It obviously was done for national TV purposes. I think we can work on that. I think we can still find great matchups and work on scheduling where — especially marquee games — where you’re getting teams more rest in those circumstances.”

Kerr pointed out that it’s not only the top teams that rest players, and that it has been happening all season, by referencing a game Dallas played against Golden State where they sat five players.
 
It's a hard thing for them to do.

I think a lot of it them coming to an agreement and not resting the whole damn stating line up

Why can't you rest one or two.

or let them know ahead of time if it's a TV game, so they can put another game on.

You can't keep fucking over the NBA fans.

The players can't keep saying this back to back stuff, when older players did it and they didn't travel on private planes.

Do you want to extend the season another two weeks so you can get rid of back to backs or long road trips? It doesn't seem better. It just seems soft.
 
Man some of those back to back are outrageous...away against OKC then away vs Philly...like what the fuck


What about that stretch golden state had where they play like 8 games in 13 days. Actually the Dubs schedule been nuts the last 3 yrs. You want to correct some shit look into that shit
 
in basketball don't they have designated hitters, some pitchers who only play in specific games who don't travel etc?
 
I'm still trying to figure out when did the NBA schedule become too much?

Niggas have been playing 82 games for DECADES, now all of sudden niggas need all this rest?
 
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82 games is way too long, that lockout 50 game season is a much better length but the NBA too greedy to reduce it like that
 
All could have been avoided if both sides used some common sense. The lesser of the 2 evils is the NBA schedule. 8 games in 13 days sounds ridiculous, but sometimes shit happens. Maybe the home arena has other concerts scheduled, etc. But no matter what, today's luxery travel, tech, & entertainment options make it easier (though probably no less annoying) than in the past. That's the basis of what the majority of the league gets payed for. The NBA should work to schedule better, but you gotta be ready to play as a professional.

The bigger issue is the rest. Dudes aren't robots & fans (and network partners) are forgiving if you work with them. Try not to rest on nationally televised/big games & give plenty of notice if you insist on doing it. But you can't just shit on people & tell them "fuck you" & "pay me" in the same breath. Those 82 games provide a big chunk of NBA income, its why they won't shorten the season. You gotta placate the public so people dont feel like they're being punked by assholes they made into millionaires. Its one thing to miss a monday game in Sacramento (though getting up for that is what made Jordan respected by both his team, fans, and business partners). The customer payed, but they're really just hoping for the best. An early march game against contenders on prime time is another thing entirely. Fans & networks alike have a reasonable expectation of seeing the stars. You gotta at least lie & claim injury. Not have ninjas joking at the end of the bench drinking lattes. Its just like the dress code situation. You start to fuck with the public goodwill without subtlety & the foundation of that relationship crumbles.
 
Excelsior said:
I'm still trying to figure out when did the NBA schedule become too much?

Niggas have been playing 82 games for DECADES, now all of all niggas need all the rest?
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Competition is a lot tougher in those 82 games. Players are more dynamic and athletic now.
 
Man there's man other issues like the lakers shutting Lou and Tmo down what's up with that shit...
For the last the month of the season.
 
Mello Mello said:
Competition is a lot tougher in those 82 games. Players are more dynamic and athletic now.
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But isn't it relative? The overall league is more athletic, and that would only matter if you are LESS athletic, and incapable of keeping up. Otherwise your athleticism and conditioning should allow you to play at that level. Athleticism has been involving for awhile. Its not like niggas in the early 2000s were slow and nailed to the floor.
 
Excelsior said:
But isn't it relative? The overall league is more athletic, and that would only matter if you are LESS athletic, and incapable of keeping up. Otherwise your athleticism and conditioning should allow you to play at that level. Athleticism has been involving for awhile. Its not like niggas in the early 2000s were slow and nailed to the floor.
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Hmmm

You know what let me restate that cuz I'm just thinking bout it and the basketball era from the 60 til was a lot rougher and tougher than it is today.

The players now may be bigger, stronger and faster but level of physicality the game was played at back then vs now was a lot more aggressive.

Could be practice the practice schedule that's wearing them out.
 
Excelsior said:
I'm still trying to figure out when did the NBA schedule become too much?

Niggas have been playing 82 games for DECADES, now all of sudden niggas need all this rest?
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Those niggas decades ago didn't play aau ball from the time they were 6 to the pro level

Remember a generation ago when a rookie would hit a rookie wall because u0 to that point they'd never have played such a rigorous schedule with that many games

Notice how that isn't a thing anymore and rookies can handle 82 game seasons?
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It's also why these dudes get hurt more and so much the wear and tear is supposed to start once you get to college and then carry on in the pros

But now it starts in middle school when you play 35 games in the summer
And in high school where you play 30+ games for the high school and then 30+ games during the summer only to go back to high school and play 30+ games again until you get to college where you're playing 35+ games guaranteed and if you stay for more than a year you're playing x amount of games for free in other countries representing the university then you wonder how a 25 year old breaks down

Cause he's 32 in playing time.
 
And I don't think players should rest all the time
Or most of the time.
But they can miss a game

Make it home games they can rest not road games that'd even everything out

Thing is the nostalgia in niggas says everybody used to be iron men
When in fact they did rest too but they'd fake an injury
I've seen niggas not play cause of a pinky contusion and shit in the 90s
All that was was rest
It's just now teams are bold enough to say what it is.
 
largebillsonlyplease said:
And I don't think players should rest all the time
Or most of the time.
But they can miss a game

Make it home games they can rest not road games that'd even everything out

Thing is the nostalgia in niggas says everybody used to be iron men
When in fact they did rest too but they'd fake an injury
I've seen niggas not play cause of a pinky contusion and shit in the 90s
All that was was rest
It's just now teams are bold enough to say what it is.
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Lie to me.

Its like when some athlete said some years ago that he took plays off, and everybody was all bent out of shape. Common sense tells us nobody goes 100% every play, but keep that shit to your damn self.

Clearly this relationship we have with sports isn't normal by any means, but it also allow mean from modest means to became very rich.

The least they could so is sell the lie. Damn.
 
Excelsior said:
Lie to me.

Its like when some athlete said some years ago that he took plays off, and everybody was all bent out of shape. Common sense tells us nobody goes 100% every play, but keep that shit to your damn self.

Clearly this relationship we have with sports isn't normal by any means, but it also allow mean from modest means to became very rich.

The least they could so is sell the lie. Damn.
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Nah.
It don't allow. They work hard and have a talent nobody else has that is valuable and makes them millionaires
It's no different than any valuable profession that brings in billions a year
 
largebillsonlyplease said:
Nah.
It don't allow. They work hard and have a talent nobody else has that is valuable and makes them millionaires
It's no different than any valuable profession that brings in billions a year
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I'm not denying the talent necessary to amass that wealth, but do those contracts continue if NBA fans collectively decide to stop watching on TV and quit coming to games?
 
Adam Silver: NBA will spend more time on issue of teams resting players
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Adam Silver details the NBA's plans with the schedule that could play a role in teams resting star players less often. (1:09)


NEW YORK -- Calling it the single most critical issue in the NBA at the moment, NBA commissioner Adam Silver said owners want teams to stop resting multiple players in nationally televised games and that players opt to rest more during home games.

"There is no more important issue in the league right now, it goes to the heart of what we do and the core of competition," Silver said after the NBA's Board of Governors meetings convened in Manhattan. "It is something that we will be spending a lot more time on."

Silver later added: "What we talked about among our owners was a sense of obligation to the game and what appropriate behavior is. And so what we concluded is if we could focus on these two issues, namely, to the extent [if] you're resting, resting at home and avoiding resting multiple starters, especially in marquee games, we could solve a large part of the problem."

Silver said owners discussed the "complex" issue of player rest at the Board of Governors meeting on Thursday and will continue to deliberate on the topic when the competition committee meets in the future.

Silver recently sent a memo to team owners, obtained by ESPN's Ramona Shelburne, stating how the league needs to address star players being rested in prime-time games and finding a balance between keeping players healthy and keeping fans and business partners happy.

Silver said there is no consideration right now for reducing the 82-game regular season. But he understands that not only does the NBA have to worry about contenders resting star players with the playoffs in mind but also rebuilding teams holding out players as they jockey for lottery draft pick spots.

"That was discussed as well," Silver said. "I would categorize that as a different kind of resting. On one hand, we have the type of resting midseason, marquee games, national TV games, teams that are clearly in the hunt and are resting for strategic purposes to advance in the season. And then a different kind of resting, where frankly teams are focused on rebuilding. I think that is also a serious issue for the league. [But] not a new issue for the league."

"Sometimes there are other opportunities to give other players on the roster additional minutes, but there is no question a certain amount of jockeying that is going on there as teams look to go into the draft," Silver added. "The larger subject of lottery and odds for the lottery, how so-called lottery picks are protected, in certain cases you have lottery picks one-through-three protected, I think that is something that we discussed at our board meeting and agreed we need to revisit it in a holistic way."

Next season, the NBA will add a week to the schedule to spread games out more. Silver is confident that the prospects of teams playing four games in five nights will almost be completely eliminated and that back-to-back slates will be reduced.

Silver has repeatedly said that he understands rest is needed for players and its correlation to the likelihood of injuries. But he also said that not all the science on rest is clear.

"I have delved into this issue fairly intensively in the last month," Silver said. "The science is much less clear than I thought it would be, and there are different philosophies from different organizations.

"I don't think we are at the point at all where we can see this is a clear science that if a player plays 25 games and rests for three days, that decreases the likelihood of an injury by 26 percent. Sometimes there is a sense that maybe the science is at that point. It's not, as far as we know."

The owners discussed the possibility of issuing guidelines to teams on players rest but nothing that would be an enforceable rule.

The NBA may look at the schedule with the players' association to also find more ways to spread games out. Silver also wants the NBA to do a "much better job of being much more specific of how exactly we categorize players who are sitting out which over time will help us with better data."


"I have enormous respect for our coaches and GMs who are doing everything they can to win, and I am particularly sympathetic to our players because my sense is our players take the brunt of it, but they are not the ones choosing to rest," Silver said. "... It is not a function necessarily of owners calling coaches and saying I am now going to dictate to you or micromanage how you coach the team or how you choose minutes for a particular player, but these need to be organizational decisions where there is a fair balance between the competitive issues and very real business issues on the other hand."

"It's a complex issue," Silver added. "It doesn't mean we will resolve it ... we can't take the game for granted and that the game is bigger than any team or any one person in the room and that we should never take our fans for granted. We have to work through it."

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...says-rest-days-most-critical-issue-nba-moment
 
This is interesting...

look how MLB be babying Pitchers...and NFL essentially TANKS games in the playoffs to rest players (Mannings Colts) and back in the day tons of NBA teams rested players near the all star break and start of the play offs.

aint that the same thing?
 
Gregg Popovich: 'Nobody's going to rest' as Spurs close out season
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Kawhi Leonard scores a game-high 28 points, but all five Clippers starters score in double figures and beat the Spurs 98-87. (1:26)


SAN ANTONIO -- The great rest debate skidded to a denouement in San Antonio on Saturday, with Spurs coach Gregg Popovich saying "nobody's going to rest" in the final two games of the regular season on the heels of a 98-87 loss to the LA Clippers.

The brief change seems to run counter to San Antonio's normal philosophy, as it has rested six players this season for a total of 23 games.

"Our execution at both games, defensively and offensively, was very poor," Popovich said. "Nobody's going to rest. Everybody's going to play. We already rested everybody, and we have days in between now. It's like the playoffs, kind of. There's no back-to-backs. There's no bad travel or anything like that, so it's time for rhythm and that sort of thing. Hopefully we'll play better next week."

Fighting for home-court advantage in a first-round Western Conference series against the Utah Jazz, the Clippers reeled off their fifth consecutive win with an aggressive and physical brand of ball the Spurs couldn't match, according to Popovich.

"They were more aggressive than we were," Popovich said. "They wanted the game more. We were aggressive, got into them and showed the physicality and communication necessary to win against a good team for about six minutes of the third quarter, and that was that. We didn't have enough physical toughness to compete with them."

Portland Trail Blazers, who are fighting for the eighth seed, on the road Monday before closing out the season Wednesday in Utah against the Jazz, who are tied with the Clippers for the home-court edge in a first-round series between the two.

With San Antonio firmly entrenched as the 2-seed, it will face a physical seventh-seeded Memphis Grizzlies squad in the opening round of the Western Conference playoffs. The Spurs swept a Grizzlies club riddled by injury 4-0 last season, but this season, the teams tied the regular-season series 2-2.

Clippers coach Doc Rivers joked that even though Memphis is "trying to shoot more 3s and spread the floor more," it is still "the wolf in sheep's clothing."

"At the end of the day, they are trying to punch you in the mouth and beat you up," Rivers said. "You'd better remember who they are."

That's certainly what the Spurs plan to do as they prepare to close the season and embark on what they expect to be a physical first-round matchup.

"It's toward the end of the season, we're getting ready for the playoffs, so guys have got to turn up the toughness, the physicality out there," said LaMarcus Aldridge, who scored 18 points and took just five shots in the second half. "I think we didn't bring it tonight, and they did. No excuses. They came in here, and they wanted to fight for home court. So they played harder than us tonight. I thought guys competed, but it's time to turn it up another level, for sure."

Chris Paul lit up San Antonio for 19 points and "sliced and diced us," Popovich said. DeAndre Jordan chipped in 17 points and 17 rebounds as the Clippers outscored the Spurs 48-32 in the paint.

Kawhi Leonard, who led the Spurs with a game-high 28 points, said the Spurs will benefit from playing the final two regular-season contests with a full squad.

"Playing Portland, them being in the eighth seed trying to secure their position, that's going to be tough playing them at home," Leonard said. "These are the types of games we want to play. We just don't want to walk over teams. We want teams to give their full effort, and we need to as well. It's going to be a great last two games for us."

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19115237/gregg-popovich-going-rest-spurs-close-season
 
I do sports betting. How the fuck can I bet on a team when they don't announce until gametime that the stars will not be playing.
 
This shit wasn't a huge issue until fans started crying about little Todd not being able to see his favorite player last night. If you wanna see the superstars, stop buying tickets to late season games.
 
woodchuck said:
This shit wasn't a huge issue until fans started crying about little Todd not being able to see his favorite player last night. If you wanna see the superstars, stop buying tickets to late season games.
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I need to find out what those Colts fans did when they used to sit out Peyton for damn near 2/3 games at the end of those ALMOST historic seasons?
 
playahaitian said:
I need to find out what those Colts fans did when they used to sit out Peyton for damn near 2/3 games at the end of those ALMOST historic seasons?
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Teams and Media don't care at the end of a season when players sit out to prepare for the playoffs in any sport.

It matters when a month or two before the season ends and playoff spots are not secured that half your starters are sitting out.
 
D'Evils said:
Teams and Media don't care at the end of a season when players sit out to prepare for the playoffs in any sport.

It matters when a month or two before the season ends and playoff spots are not secured that half your starters are sitting out.
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but its the MEDIA that CREATED that monster...

somehow someway they made the average fan actually believe the regular season was MEANINGLESS

(which I'm sure smarter dudes than me can find the origin of his phenomena)

Its almost like the Buffalo Bills RUINED it in a way for everybody.

NO ONE and I mean NO ONE can complain about resting players to ensure play off success

then CRITICIZE players like Barkley Malone Ewing Dan Marino, Alex Ovitkin, etc etc etc

and saying their careers are NOTHING cause they aint win the big games, cause IF those players had rested?

IMAGINE?

You can't do it...

and to me LeBron is the WORST example because go look at his MINUTES...HIS INDIVIDUAL and TEAM STATISTICS and then add playoffs and Olympics?

How you look CRITICIZING HIM?

And then you can't say the COACHES and GMS have no power and then blame them for loses...

aint NOBODY working for free...these decisions are made high up.

Honestly
HATE the resting thing...PERIOD

but I understand.

And all those HIGHLY PAID WHITE COACHES you STARTED It?

THEY need to be called WAY before ANY player..cause notice how these white folk try to conveniently blame the players during the season?

But Pop and Kerr are the REAL GENIUSES at WORK.
 
playahaitian said:
but its the MEDIA that CREATED that monster...

somehow someway they made the average fan actually believe the regular season was MEANINGLESS

(which I'm sure smarter dudes than me can find the origin of his phenomena)

Its almost like the Buffalo Bills RUINED it in a way for everybody.

NO ONE and I mean NO ONE can complain about resting players to ensure play off success

then CRITICIZE players like Barkley Malone Ewing Dan Marino, Alex Ovitkin, etc etc etc

and saying their careers are NOTHING cause they aint win the big games, cause IF those players had rested?

IMAGINE?

You can't do it...

and to me LeBron is the WORST example because go look at his MINUTES...HIS INDIVIDUAL and TEAM STATISTICS and then add playoffs and Olympics?

How you look CRITICIZING HIM?

And then you can't say the COACHES and GMS have no power and then blame them for loses...

aint NOBODY working for free...these decisions are made high up.

Honestly
HATE the resting thing...PERIOD

but I understand.

And all those HIGHLY PAID WHITE COACHES you STARTED It?

THEY need to be called WAY before ANY player..cause notice how these white folk try to conveniently blame the players during the season?

But Pop and Kerr are the REAL GENIUSES at WORK.
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Your right its up to the Coaches.

As Silver said rest at home not on the road when its your only trip of the year.
Or Like Pop does and have your players stay at home and not on the Bench drinking coffee and laughing it up.

Its simple math and money. Blowing off marquee games that the NBA setup last year with the new ESPN/ABC billion dollar deal was going to have blow back.
Especially when it involves the best 2 teams in the NBA.

I think it matters when you rest and who you rest.
If the Cavs would have rested against the Lakers instead of the Clippers this would be a whole different conversation.
 

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