DISCUSSION THREAD: Star Wars Rebels UPDATE: new BAD BATCH series season 2 2022 (Disney+) FINAL SEASON!

Renewed for a 4th season..

so i guess they are picking and choosing from the EU/Legends canon..down the line they may as well just add it all in and do a timeline reset a la Star Trek 2009/Terminator Genisys
 
great great episode...

shows you the strength of the product and the writing to have an independent episode based ENTIRELY on 3rd tier characters...

but was VERY important in he over all story.
 
Darth Vader Almost Killed Darth Maul Last Season on Star Wars Rebels
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This Saturday on Star Wars Rebels, Darth Maul finally faces down with Obi-Wan Kenobi. It’s the rematch he’s been waiting for since The Phantom Menace, when Kenobi cut him in two and derailed his rise to power. But it was a battle that was never supposed to happen.


Leading into Saturday’s must-see episode “Twin Suns” (we’ve seen it, it’s incredible), io9 spoke with Rebels executive producer Dave Filoni about the pressure and importance of finally bringing this Star Wars battle to life. We won’t mention any spoilers here, but Filoni did reveal this: “Originally Maul perished in the season two finale where he returned. It was a one-off appearance.”

In case you don’t remember, after his first battle with Obi-Wan Kenobi in 1999's The Phantom Menace, Darth Maul came back on Filoni’s first show, The Clone Wars, sporting some brand new robot legs and some family connections. He had a huge storyarc there, and later reemerged on Rebels as a mysterious figure who used Ezra Bridger’s emerging knowledge of the Force to his own benefit. Filoni’s original idea was to bring him back and give fans something they’d always wanted, to see the popular Sith Lords battle it out.


“So originally in that episode you were gonna get Vader fighting Maul, Vader would have killed Maul, and then fought Ahsoka,” Filoni said. However, in the already jam-packed episode, he decided it was just too much.

“It just became unwieldy,” Filoni continued. “There were too many storylines, and there isn’t enough emotional material between Vader and Maul. It’s more of a fan fiction fun thought that they fought. The emotional drama was really between Vader and Ahsoka. So we decided to let Maul live.”

But alive, Maul became a great tool for Filoni and company. He’s played a minor, but vital, role in the ongoing third season: First he and Ezra unlocked some crucial Star Wars information, he’s was the person who provided a link between Sabine and the Darksaber and, now, he’s going to finally have a showdown with Obi-Wan Kenobi.

Filoni wasn’t sure if that was how he wanted the story to go but, ultimately, it benefited both characters. “You always felt Obi-Wan had this great track record of taking out a Sith Lord in the past,” Filoni said, referring to his first battle with Maul which is referenced throughout the prequels. “We wondered, [by bringing back Maul], did we rob him of what he was able to accomplish?”

Everyone in the world will find out Saturday at 8:30 pm ET on Disney XD. And check back here immediately after the episode airs for an exclusive interview with Filoni on the finale’s (many) revelations and surprises.

 
When are they going to playing and let us know what happened to Ahsoka? Vader probably merked her in the end, but you know that fight was epic.
 
the producers of the show say she is still alive

I know she's a popular character but she's dead. Filoni gives cryptic answers but his statement below on Vader's singular mindset until the climax with Luke in the Emperor's throne room on Endor all but confirms it in my opinion.

“I've personally had never felt that anything changes Vader until Luke. The Vader that we encounter in Rebels was always meant to be the one devoid of emotions except for anger, hate and suffering that he was so trapped in himself because of the terrible things that happened. Anakin never thinks of himself as betraying his friends. He sees it as his friends betraying him and the Republic. He has to live on that side of the fence because the truth is just too damning. He wants to destroy Ashoka because she represents his past. She represents knowledge of who he once was and he wants to wipe that out. His son represents a potential future because his son wouldn't know what he was so he can build a new galaxy together with his son. His apprentice (Ashoka) is his past and he needs to destroy her.
 
I know she's a popular character but she's dead. Filoni gives cryptic answers but his statement below on Vader's singular mindset until the climax with Luke in the Emperor's throne room on Endor all but confirms it in my opinion.

“I've personally had never felt that anything changes Vader until Luke. The Vader that we encounter in Rebels was always meant to be the one devoid of emotions except for anger, hate and suffering that he was so trapped in himself because of the terrible things that happened. Anakin never thinks of himself as betraying his friends. He sees it as his friends betraying him and the Republic. He has to live on that side of the fence because the truth is just too damning. He wants to destroy Ashoka because she represents his past. She represents knowledge of who he once was and he wants to wipe that out. His son represents a potential future because his son wouldn't know what he was so he can build a new galaxy together with his son. His apprentice (Ashoka) is his past and he needs to destroy her.


How is she dead when you can clearly see her walking away at the end of last season after her fight against Vader... :confused:
 
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The Producer of Star Wars Rebels Answers Your Burning Questions About That Epic Finale and Beyond

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The second season of Star Wars Rebels just ended, with an episode that had huge ramifications not just for the show, but for Star Wars as a whole. Death! Deceit! New characters! Old characters! Twists! Mystery! It’s the kind of episode you just have to talk about—and we did just that, with the best person possible. Star Wars Rebels executive producer Dave Filoni.



Speaking to io9, Filoni answered every burning question you probably have as the second season closes. We’ve also got answers to some questions you probably haven’t even thought of, including some of the implications for the series going forward, as well as how the show will tie in with the movies. Filoni even gave us some great teases for season three.

Major spoilers follow!

What happened to Ahsoka Tano?













After her powerful showdown with her former master, Anakin Skywalker aka Darth Vader, the fate of Ahsoka Tano was left in question. Is she alive? Is she dead? Unsurprisingly, since her fate was left ambiguous on the show, Filoni wouldn’t give an answer. But he would say this: “I’ve already been devising certain specifics around the future of that character, where she is, what’s happening, if she dies, how would she survive if she did? All of those questions. I think they eventually need to be answered—but I wouldn’t look to that, frankly, anytime soon.”

Did Ahsoka’s battle with Darth Vader have any lasting impact on that him?

“I personally have never felt that anything changes Vader until Luke,” Filoni said. “The Vader that we encounter in Rebels was always meant to be the one devoid of emotions, except for anger, hate and suffering. That he was so trapped inside himself because of the terrible things that happened. Anakin never thinks of himself as betraying his friends. He sees it as his friends betrayed him and the Republic. He has to live on that side of the fence because the truth is just too damming.


“So he wants to destroy Ahsoka because she represents his past. She represents knowledge of who he was and he wants to wipe that out. His son represents a potential future because his son wouldn’t know who he was. So he could build a new galaxy together with his son. His apprentice is his past and he needs to destroy her.”

Oh, and if you’re wondering if there was a temptation for Ahsoka to call Vader “Skyguy” in the episode, Filoni admits there was. But tonally, it was such a fine line, they decided against it.

Is Ezra Bridger turning to the Dark Side?


Throughout the finale, Ezra Bridger seemed swayed by a mysterious entity who is revealed to be Darth Maul (more on him in a bit). And, in the episode’s final moment, Ezra somehow opens the Sith Holocron—an action that can only be done by someone using the Dark Side—and then we see evil red eyes. Uh-oh.

“He has to deal with [the Dark Side] as everyone does,” Filoni says. “We’ll have to see. I think Ezra has been trained well by Kanan, but there are some big repercussions for them [in the finale]. No one really came out of that unscathed. Ezra was bewitched and deceived a bit by Maul, and Kanan... went down a path that lead to him being blind. But we will deal with those things pretty head on. They’re very important to the story.”

Did Ezra really lose his awesome lightsaber?



In his battle with Darth Vader, Ezra lost his combination lightsaber/blaster which has become a fan favorite. Filoni sees this loss as more of a rite of passage.

“[At the beginning of the show,] Ezra was so inexperienced that I thought ‘If this kid gets into a lightsaber fight, he’s toast,’” Filoni said. “So I had to come up with something that could protect him at range. But he’s more experienced now and I kinda didn’t want to keep him with his training wheels on so much. He gets a little bold there and takes on Vader—not the best idea—and the price he pays is ‘Bye bye, lightsaber.’”

What was up with that very familiar looking green cross guard lightsaber?


Speaking of lightsabers, one of the biggest discussion points before the episode aired was the fact Ezra is seen holding a green, cross guard lightsaber, very much like the one Kylo Ren uses in The Force Awakens. Filoni said that Ezra won’t be replacing his broken saber with this one (unfortunately), but that it did not belong to a Sith.

“Kylo Ren was really fascinating to me because he seemed to be a student of history, especially Sith history and Jedi history,” Filoni said. “So I asked if I could put a cross guard saber among the artifacts among the ruins of this temple. I just wanted to put it in for one shot as a nod to [The Force Awakensteam]. That thousands of years ago, there were some other Jedi who had it. So it absolutely was a Jedi’s.”

Is Darth Maul back?



Hell yes, he is. And in a big way, too. “We tend to lean more towards Maul being the foil on the Darker side of the Force for our heroes in the next season,” said Filoni. “You will see more of Maul, which I think is a great thing for the show.”

Are the Inquisitors really dead and will there be more of them?

Sorry, Sarah Michelle Gellar. Your character, the Seventh Sister, along with the Fifth Brother and a mysterious new Inquisitor, are all dead and gone. In fact, Filoni hinted that we may have seen, if not the last of the Inquisitors, close to it.


“Will there be another Inquisitor? We’ll have to wait and see,” Filoni said. “But we are getting ever closer to the time period of A New Hope, and I’ve trying to live a little bit more by the rules you see in that film. And there isn’t a mention of Inquisitors in that film. It might be something you see less and less of.”

Speaking of which, who was that new Inquisitor?

For most of season 2, we followed the Fifth Brother and Seventh Sister, a pair of Inquisitors whose mere names hinted at the existence of more. Well there were more, and we met one in the finale. While we don’t know the character’s name, Filoni would confirm its species.



“This is a deep, deep cut, so look in your character encyclopedia—but he is a Terellian Jango Jumper,” Filoni said. “Which is a real thing. Trust me, I’m not even making that up. Cassie Cryar, in The Clone Wars,was part of this little pair of thieves, and they stole Ahsoka’s lightsaber, and he’s the same as that. They’re acrobatic and can jump and do all kinds of things.”

Bonus: The identity of the Grand Inquisitor revealed

For the second season in a row, Rebels wiped out the season’s primary villains in the finale. In the first season, that was the Grand Inquisitor, who makes a weird appearance in season two as some kind of dream for Kanan. So who exactly was that character?


“The Grand Inquisitor was a Jedi Knight,” said Filoni “He is one of the temple guards that arrests Ahsoka when she is accused of treason against the Jedi Knights. And he is also one of, more importantly, the Temple Guards in Clone Wars that is with Anakin when he fights Barriss Offee and arrests her for treason. So he is one of the two guards, I believe, that escorts her into the giant courtroom where Palpatine is overseeing everything. So he hears Barriss’ complete speech about the corruption and the state of the Senate and Jedi Order. And that is kind of like a seed that gets planted in his mind about she’s right. And when Order 66 comes out, he further realizes how right she is about all of the corruption. So it was like the beginnings of his descent into the Dark Side.”

Was that really a Knights of the Old Republic reference on the show?

Yes and no. The finale took place on a planet called Malachor, a planet which plays a prominent role in a popular series of Star Wars video games that take place thousands of years in the past. And yes, the game series has a story about a Jedi battle there, much like the one referenced on the show. But Filoni doesn’t think fans should read too much into it. He admits to borrowing a lot of names, background characters, and ships regularly from the former Expanded Universe, which is now known as Legends. He’s been doing so since The Clone Wars. He feels it was a rich place for creative types to go crazy with Star Wars, and that meant lots and lots of great ideas which they can use.



“Malachor is a name that people would know,” he said. “For the people who know that lore, they’re going to be excited by that. It’s really fun to mine those characters and things.”

Are Ezra and Kanan alive during the time of the Star Wars movies?

We’ve written extensively about the Star Wars paradox of having more Jedi still around in the universe, as we get into a timeline where Luke Skywalker is constantly referred to as the final Jedi. Well, Filoni has heard those complaints and has some very interesting thoughts on them.


“Yoda says, ‘When gone I am, the last of the Jedi will you be.’ ‘Of the Jedi’ could be a group of Jedi. You don’t know... That’s not to say I believe there are a lot of Jedi running around by Return of the Jedi. I think there are Force-wielding people, but whether they subscribe to the Jedi philosophy of how you use the Force is another question... But fans deal in absolutes, like Sith.”

He also points out a key line in the finale where Ahsoka says “I am no Jedi”—but still uses the Force and fights with two lightsabers.

“She does say ‘I am no Jedi,’ very clearly,” Filoni explained. “So if she says that and Yoda later says ‘When gone am I, the last of the Jedi will you be,’ he’s definitely not talking about her. There were so many options of lines to give in this episode, and one of them along the way of the season was that Ahsoka would mention that Yoda wouldn’t think of her as a Jedi because she’s not, necessarily, practicing that path any more. She’s still in the Light Side, for sure, but she’s not a Jedi practitioner per se.”



Whether or not that could cover the ultimate fates of Ezra and Kanan, Filoni would only hint. But he did answer this.

Can the good guys even be killed on a Disney XD show?

When we come down to it, Star Wars Rebels is on a cable channel meant for children. So would a show like that really even have the option to kill off its main, good guy, characters?


“If it serves the story, and the point of the story was to do that, then absolutely yes,” Filoni said. “We would have to have a really good reason for doing that. It would have to make sense and it would be something I talked about with my co-workers at Disney XD... But there has to be room for that, or we’re not being authentic to Star Wars anymore.”

How much are they looking at the events of Rogue One?

The next Star Wars movie hitting theaters is Rogue One: A Star Wars Story, which takes place in the same time line as Rebels. Filoni admitted the film’s existence has been handled “very, very, very carefully.”



“One of the most important things that has less to do with the timeline of the story itself, is I want the awesome things in [director] Gareth [Edwards]’s movie to be special when it comes out,” he said. “I would never want our series to get ahead of that. Whatever you see in that film, with our time periods being closer, we want to make sure there are things that make sense between the two and we’re very careful about that as we’ve been with A New Hope. Things we are doing are leading towards that.”

What’s coming up in season 3?

With season two all done, it’s time to look ahead at Season three. And Filoni was nice enough to give us a few really great teases, in addition to the aforementioned ones about Darth Maul playing a part, Ezra’s struggle with the Dark Side, and Kanan’s blindness.


“Season 3 introduces some titanic differences from the other seasons we had,” he said. “You’re going to start to see the struggle of this Rebellion take even stronger shape. We’ve kind of been scaling that up every season underneath the character development, but it’s clear by A New Hope that the Rebellion has gotten pretty organized and a lot larger than the Empire thinks it is. So one of the ideas running about is there’s a group within the Empire, and you kind of see this portrayed in A New Hope in the Imperial Fleet, when they say ‘These Rebels are a threat,’ and then he says ‘To your star fleet, but not this battle station.’ So there’s a division within the Empire [about] how dangerous the Rebels are. And we need to kind of get us up to earning that. So you’re going to see a little bit more of an increase to what the Rebellion is.

“We are [also] going to delve a bit more into things with the Mandalorians and Sabine’s story,” Filoni said. “Sabine’s story will grow greatly in importance in the third season, and she kind of comes up to stand next to Ezra as far as being an important player on the show. And she isn’t as much a supporting character, which I think is a great transition for her as a character.”

Finally, does he know how it all ends?



Even beyond season three, Filoni and his team have the series all worked out through the end, whenever that may be.

“We have Rebels figured out all the way through now,” he said. “Even if things change along the way, I want to know where we’re headed in the story. That’s not to say the story can’t change as the characters reveal new things about themselves, but I need to know where the story is being delivered. If we’re telling a multiple season story, I want to know where this kid is going. Why does this kid exist for us? Why was Ezra so important we had to tell a story about him? And we’ve evolved that.”
 
How is she dead when you can clearly see her walking away at the end of last season after her fight against Vader... :confused:
some are thinking force ghost... but iirc correctly Kirkman made it clear she is still alive

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The end of the season finale of Star Wars Rebels clearly showed us Ahsoka Tano walking back into the Sith Temple after her battle with Darth Vader. But whether she’s alive or dead is still not clear.

The ending of “Twilight of the Apprentice,” the season two finale of Star Wars Rebels which premiered last week, left us with many questions. Perhaps the most pressing is: did Ahsoka Tano really die? Evidence in the episode suggests she didn’t, as fans were quick to spot her figure retreating into the shadows of the Sith Temple after her former master, Darth Vader, emerges. The release of an exclusive t-shirt designed by Dave Filoni, the show’s director, featuring this vision of Ahsoka’s back seemed to confirm for a lot of fans that she wasn’t dead. Vader somehow, inexplicably, allowed her to live.

First, let’s consider the possibility that Vader did allow her to live. Did he do this on purpose, or does he not realize that he failed to kill her? He seems adamant on killing her earlier in the episode when he tells her, “…you will die.” Filoni said in an interview that at this point in Vader’s dark path, he’s trying to eradicate every memory of the man he had once been (via IGN). Being that Ahsoka is one of the people who represents a time when he wasn’t trapped by what he’s become, it’s unlikely that he has even a small inkling to be merciful towards her.




Maybe letting Ahsoka live was motivated by the selfish hope that she’ll one day become his Sith apprentice. I find that unlikely, though. No matter how deeply Vader has buried Anakin Skywalker, whatever vestige of Skywalker is left in him should know Ahsoka well enough to know that she would never serve the dark side, at least not willingly.

If it’s unlikely he was merciful toward her and spared her life purely out of caring, what then? How could she fool him into thinking she was dead?

There’s a theory going around on Twitter that posits a compelling answer. In this theory, Ahsoka is somehow connected to The Daughter, a mythological figure introduced in The Clone Wars series. In the episode arc that featured The Daughter, Ahsoka, Anakin and Obi Wan experience a quasi-real vision where the Force is manifested in two beings: The Daughter, who represents the light side, and The Son, who represents the dark side. The Father completes a triumvirate, and represents neither side; rather, his job is to keep balance between his two children.

Basically, Ahsoka is poisoned by The Son and becomes a servant of evil. In order to save her, The Daughter sacrifices her own life. This giving over of her life to Ahsoka, some fans think, means her spirit is intertwined with Ahsoka’s, which may indicate that Ahsoka is now something more than a mere mortal.



The idea that The Daughter is still connected to Ahsoka by the events of Star Wars Rebels season two comes down to the convoree, a winged owl-like bird that shows up twice in the series: once in “The Mystery of Chopper Base” right before Ahsoka and Ezra are getting ready to depart for Malachor, and again after we see Ahsoka’s retreating back at the end of the season finale. The convoree, some have noticed, bears a slight resemblance in coloring to The Daughter. This is significant because in The Clone Wars episodes, The Daughter was able to transform from a human form into a griffin-like creature; so why not a convoree? Perhaps some of her life force is now able to detach itself from Ahsoka and manifest into an outside entity.

This all adds up to…we have no idea.

Dave Filoni probably knows exactly what happened to Ahsoka, and if and how she survived, but of course he’s not going to share those details with the fans.

Perhaps the upcoming young adult novel featuring Ahsoka as the main character will provide some insight, even though it will cover what happened to Ahsoka between her departure on The Clone Wars series and her debut on Star Wars Rebels, about a fourteen-year time span in-universe.





There’s one more possibility we have to consider, however, and that is that Ahsoka really did die. The figure we see reentering the shadows of the Sith Temple could be Ahsoka’s Force ghost. It may be unrealistic to assume that Ahsoka would know how to be a Force ghost when, at this time, only the spirit of Qui Gon Jinn, Yoda, and possibly Obi Wan know how to preserve their spirit after death. But who knows what Ahsoka has been learning for fourteen years.


As with all things in Star Wars, fans want the absolute canon truth. Unfortunately for us, the trend among Star Wars storytellers of late has been to keep secrets for as long as they possibly can (Rogue One trailer, where are you?). Hopefully Filoni will crack open his own little mystery box before long.
 
It's Official: Ahsoka Will Appear In 'Star Wars: Rebels' Season 3, But Not How You'd Expect
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MP staff. I talk about Star Wars a lot. Sometimes I'm paid for it.



Ahsoka Tano was not well-liked at first. But as the plucky and talented apprentice of Anakin Skywalker, Ahsoka won fans over in Star Wars: Clone Wars, as she went from a naive padawan to a courageous Jedi commander in the war. By the time she walked away from the Jedi Order at the end of Clone Wars, Ahsoka was a firm favorite among fans, so it was a delightful surprise when she turned up at the end of Star Wars: Rebels Season 1.

What Ahsoka did in the years between Clone Wars and Rebels remains a mystery (for now), but by the time the crew of the Phantom caught up with her she was a prominent leader in the budding Rebel Alliance.

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Season 2 of Rebels saw Ahsoka take up more of a leading role — although she didn't appear in many episode, Ahsoka's mission to hunt down Darth Vader (before he hunted down her rebels) was compelling to say the least. And that final showdown, when Ahsoka finally faced her former master, forced to fight him but refusing to give up hope that he could be saved... Well, suffice it to say that the Rebels Season 2 finale featured some of the most emotional scenes in the entire Star Wars saga, and that's saying something.



















The finale left Ahsoka's fate uncertain — after the Sith weapon on Malachor exploded, we saw Vader limping away from the ruins, but there was no sign of Ahsoka. Naturally, we're all desperate to know whether she survived, and what the future holds for everyone's favorite Togruta. Well, you can rest assured that Ahsoka certainly will appear in Season 3, but it's far from sure whether she'll be alive. Confused? So are we.

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Dave Filoni (showrunner for both Clone Wars and Rebels) kept schtum on Ahsoka's fate until the very last minute, as he, Pablo Hidalgo, and Ashley Eckstein joked about Ahsoka's dead-or-alive status. But as the panel closed, Filoni couldn't resist one cheeky teaser.

Explaining that he had never been one to sway to fan opinion, Filoni told us unequivocally that he intended Season 2 to be the last we ever saw of Ahsoka. Which, obviously, seems very bleak. Then he continued:

"But after the reaction [to Ahsoka in the Rebels finale]... It just might be possible for her to return in Season 3. It doesn't necessarily mean what you want it to mean though."

Naturally, this announcement was met with deafening applause, and with good reason – Ahsoka is without question one of the most interesting and badass characters in the entire Star Wars universe, and her story is far from over.

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But what does Filoni's hint mean? The possibilities are intriguing — Ahsoka could have survived, but she might be wounded physically, or psychologically. Or she might be dead, but will reappear as a Force ghost. Or maybe something else will happen that we never would have guessed!

Personally, I'm holding out hope that Ahsoka is about to embark on some fascinating journey through the Force, as she comes to terms with the fact that she couldn't save Anakin from himself. It would also be fantastic to see more of her in the Rebel Alliance, as we still don't know where she was, or what she was doing, during the original trilogy. But for now at least we know we'll get to see Ahsoka again in Season 3, even if her return is not what we had expected it to be.

How do you think Ahsoka will return in Season 3?

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Star Wars Rebels Pretty Much Revealed the Fate of Ahsoka Tano

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The Rebels panel at Star Wars Celebration Europe is going on exactly as I type this, but and of course the first question everyone had was about whether Ahsoka Tano survived her climactic duel with Darth Vader in the end of the season two finale. More surprisingly, director Dave Filoni actually gave us a pretty clear answer.


Host Warwick Davis asked the question pretty much the minute Filoni hit the stage. Filoni’s answer was that Star Wars puts many characters in danger, but when he likes a character, it’s going to be hard to kill him or her off. And then:


“It’s likely that you might not have seen the last of Ahsoka Tano.”

Filoni then qualified that it could be a flashback, or that fans could “see” her on merchandise like a lunchbox. But then he qualified that again, clearly indicating he was joking. So chances are, not only did she live, but she’ll probably show up at some point in season three


Honestly, I’m of two minds on this. One the one hand, as a fan I’m happy that Ahsoka is alive, but I also can’t help but this that duel with Vader would have been her perfect final moment. It was as action-packed and emotional as we hoped Ahsoka’s fight with her former master would be, and as tragic as it is, it just feels... right that Vader would further propel himself down the dark side by killing his former pupil. What do you think?
 
I was shocked it was such a quick death.
But then again obi is one of the greatest jedi and maul is really not in his class when he gets serious.
 
I was shocked it was such a quick death.
But then again obi is one of the greatest jedi and maul is really not in his class when he gets serious.

Plus Maul was not as powerful as he was when he was a sith lord, and presumably Obi wan was still way more powerful this time around, he was only a padawan with the skills of a young jedi knight the first time.
 
The Producer of Star Wars Rebels on Tonight's Incredible Episode

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Obi-Wan Kenobi plays a major role in the latest Star Wars Rebels. All Images: Disney XD

The Star Wars canon changed forever Saturday night with the latest episode of Star Wars Rebels, “Twin Suns.” It was a massive episode in terms of character, Star Wars history, and precedent. So we simply had to talk to Dave Filoni, the executive producer of Rebels, to get the scoop on the Obi-Wan Kenobi/Darth Maul rematch... and that very surprising cameo.

There’s so much to discuss here, but let’s start with the biggest thing in terms of canon: Obi-Wan Kenobi kills Darth Maul. He’s dead. Gone. For good this time.


Since Filoni had decided to bring Darth Maul back in The Clone Wars originally, he felt a responsibility to end the former Sith apprentice’s story. So he and the Rebels production team checked with several members of the Lucasfilm Story Group to make sure there weren’t any future plans for the character in other Star Wars media. But for Maul, there really couldn’t be.

“If there’s a character like Maul running around during one of the old films, he’s such a big-time player you think there would have been an echo of that somewhere,” Filoni said. “So it was just the right time to tell the story and bring that thread to an end.”


Maul’s death comes very quickly and very decisively. Kenobi kills him with only a few short moves and Filoni knows that may be a controversial decision, but one he didn’t make lightly.

“It was a much-discussed thing on how that was gonna go down,” Filoni said. “The instinct would be, and probably, I admit, the expectation, is for some kind of prolonged lightsaber battle. But I’ve done a lot of prolonged lightsaber battles over the years and I think what’s most important about any kind of confrontation is what’s riding on it. What’s the tension going into it? It starts to matter less and less how you swing a sword or how creatively you do it if there’s not a lot riding on it.”

Filoni said the inspiration for the fight was Kyuzo, the master swordsman in Akira Kurosawa’s Seven Samurai, and his duel which he doesn’t want to fight because he knows it will be over quickly. Plus, Filoni saw an opportunity to really highlight their characters with a quick, decisive battle.

“I felt strongly Obi-Wan, if he could help it, would really rather not kill Darth Maul. Obi-Wan is at a point, in my mind, where he’s become rather enlightened. He’s been in the desert discovering who he is, really evolving as a character. He’s not that young brash kid that went into a fight with Maul out of anger for the fact his master was killed. It can’t be that same situation this is so many years later. Maul, for his part, is pretty much hung up on that exact moment. That’s where his life went wrong. He can’t let it go.”

Filoni hopes the duel, and the moments after, are the perfect representation of one of the most important conflicts in all of Star Wars.


“It really is to express the difference between the Jedi and the Sith. Which is the Jedi become selfless and the Sith remain selfish. When pressed, because Obi-Wan is protecting someone else in the end, he does fight. But because he is so true and knows who he is in that moment, you can’t defeat that. So Obi-Wan is going to strike down Maul because Maul is such a broken and lost person, which I think is why in the end you see Maul being cradled by Obi-Wan.

This idea is that Obi-Wan is willing to forgive this person who is so cruel and terrible because he feels pity for him. To his dying breath Maul is hoping there will be some revenge exacted upon his enemies. And in my mind, Obi-Wan expresses sadness there because that means that Maul has never grown and will never be released from his suffering. So I felt that moment had to be beyond a lightsaber fight and had to be more an expression of their characters.”

Also, you may not have noticed this, but Filoni pointed out a moment that showed how Obi-Wan has been ready for this fight since The Phantom Menace:

Maul tries to get Obi-Wan with a very similar move as he gets Qui-Gon. Which is he blocks and uses the blunt of his hilt to smack Qui-Gon in the face. So I had Maul try to do the same thing to Obi-Wan but again, to show growth, Obi-Wan is ready for that and slices it right in half. That slicing of the lightsaber hilt is to represent Maul being sliced. But we all joked that maybe Obi-Wan should dice him up and bring him to other parts of the planet because he tends to come back, that crafty Maul. But not this time.

The binary sunset from Star Wars: A New Hope, which is directly referenced in the latest Rebels. Image: Fox
All throughout the episode, it’s mentioned that Obi-Wan is watching over someone, “the chosen one.” “He’ll avenge us all,” Maul says.


Obviously, there’s no question who they could be referring to. And at the end of the episode, we see Luke Skywalker running around as a little boy at the Lars homestead, with the binary sunset, and hear Aunt Beru calling him, along with iconic John Williams’ iconic score.

Filoni explained his decision to show Luke Skywalker wasn’t just for long-time Star Wars fans, but primarily for the new ones:

“We have to look at every episode of Rebels as if you’ve never seen Star Wars before. So if you think of it that way whenever Maul and Obi-Wan are talking about ‘The Chosen One’ or ‘Who are you protecting?’ if you never see or we don’t give the context of that, there are a lot of people who won’t know whats going on there. The Star Wars fan will but the average person will not. So at the very least the scene establishes, in its simplest form, there’s Obi-Wan, he was protecting someone, and there’s a woman yelling ‘Luke,’ and we see what we think of as a young boy running. ‘Oh, so Obi-Wan is protecting a boy named Luke.’ It’s designed to give you that specific bit of information that you need in the story.

Now, if you’re a fan and you go ‘OH MY GOD that’s Luke Skywalker, that’s even better. Now you’re getting the whole thing... But from a sensible story point you have to have that scene at the end to give some idea of what this old man is doing in the desert. You can’t rely on the Star Wars films as if they’ve been universally watched even though we know they’re pretty popular.”

Incidentally, the late actress Shelagh Fraser, who played Aunt Beru in the original 1977 film, actually voiced the character in the episode. Filoni said he believes they used one of her takes from the original filming of A New Hope. (If you were wondering, previous recordings of Alec Guinness were not used to voice Obi-Wan in the episode; voice actor Stephen Staunton is just that good.)

As fun as it is to talk about legacy characters like Luke Skywalker, Obi-Wan Kenobi, and Darth Maul, this is Star Wars Rebels after all. It’s not the story of those characters, it’s the story of young Jedi-in-training Ezra Bridger. Bridger is a key component in the episode, but how these events will change him remains to be seen.



“Season four will answer that,” Filoni promised. “Going into season four now Ezra has a much greater sense of who he is.... season three, in a lot of ways, has been about a quest for power, for true allies and true family. So you see most of the characters deal with that in season three.”

Filoni explained, however, that “power” means different things to different people. For the Sith it’s literal, but for the Jedi, it’s about selflessness and sacrificing to help others. “Ezra is taking a bigger step along that path, which is helping others,” Filoni said. “Which he has always wanted to do but knowing you should do that and knowing how to do that are vastly different things.”

Bridger’s involvement was so important to the director/writer/producer that he personally storyboarded the entire episode where Ezra walks out from the archway (above), all the way through the end credits.


I really wanted to get into the psychology of this moment and what it’s like for Ezra to commit to going out into this nothingness to find this man. And it’s a very searching moment. Mythically. Going out into the desert is almost like a purification thing. Traveling through fire, traveling through cold, coming out on the other side….It’s Obi-Wan. When it’s all on the line like that I have to be right there.

Star Wars Rebels wraps up next week with a two-part finale and then will be back later this year for its fourth season, already in production.
 
man this last ep was the shit....

if u sleeping on this show shame the fuck on u ....





after the trailer i was hype...:dance2:

then the battle...:eek:






talking bout a quick dusting ....:itsawrap:


& then the tie in to luke ....:money: man the writers killing this show...:yes:
 
man this last ep was the shit....

if u sleeping on this show shame the fuck on u ....





after the trailer i was hype...:dance2:

then the battle...:eek:






talking bout a quick dusting ....:itsawrap:


& then the tie in to luke ....:money: man the writers killing this show...:yes:


took him out in 3 strikes...

my little girls were scared at first and 3 strikes later I heard

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Daddy, why he start with him?

:lol:
 
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The Producer of Star Wars Rebels on Tonight's Incredible Episode

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Obi-Wan Kenobi plays a major role in the latest Star Wars Rebels. All Images: Disney XD

The Star Wars canon changed forever Saturday night with the latest episode of Star Wars Rebels, “Twin Suns.” It was a massive episode in terms of character, Star Wars history, and precedent. So we simply had to talk to Dave Filoni, the executive producer of Rebels, to get the scoop on the Obi-Wan Kenobi/Darth Maul rematch... and that very surprising cameo.

There’s so much to discuss here, but let’s start with the biggest thing in terms of canon: Obi-Wan Kenobi kills Darth Maul. He’s dead. Gone. For good this time.


Since Filoni had decided to bring Darth Maul back in The Clone Wars originally, he felt a responsibility to end the former Sith apprentice’s story. So he and the Rebels production team checked with several members of the Lucasfilm Story Group to make sure there weren’t any future plans for the character in other Star Wars media. But for Maul, there really couldn’t be.

“If there’s a character like Maul running around during one of the old films, he’s such a big-time player you think there would have been an echo of that somewhere,” Filoni said. “So it was just the right time to tell the story and bring that thread to an end.”


Maul’s death comes very quickly and very decisively. Kenobi kills him with only a few short moves and Filoni knows that may be a controversial decision, but one he didn’t make lightly.

“It was a much-discussed thing on how that was gonna go down,” Filoni said. “The instinct would be, and probably, I admit, the expectation, is for some kind of prolonged lightsaber battle. But I’ve done a lot of prolonged lightsaber battles over the years and I think what’s most important about any kind of confrontation is what’s riding on it. What’s the tension going into it? It starts to matter less and less how you swing a sword or how creatively you do it if there’s not a lot riding on it.”

Filoni said the inspiration for the fight was Kyuzo, the master swordsman in Akira Kurosawa’s Seven Samurai, and his duel which he doesn’t want to fight because he knows it will be over quickly. Plus, Filoni saw an opportunity to really highlight their characters with a quick, decisive battle.

“I felt strongly Obi-Wan, if he could help it, would really rather not kill Darth Maul. Obi-Wan is at a point, in my mind, where he’s become rather enlightened. He’s been in the desert discovering who he is, really evolving as a character. He’s not that young brash kid that went into a fight with Maul out of anger for the fact his master was killed. It can’t be that same situation this is so many years later. Maul, for his part, is pretty much hung up on that exact moment. That’s where his life went wrong. He can’t let it go.”

Filoni hopes the duel, and the moments after, are the perfect representation of one of the most important conflicts in all of Star Wars.


“It really is to express the difference between the Jedi and the Sith. Which is the Jedi become selfless and the Sith remain selfish. When pressed, because Obi-Wan is protecting someone else in the end, he does fight. But because he is so true and knows who he is in that moment, you can’t defeat that. So Obi-Wan is going to strike down Maul because Maul is such a broken and lost person, which I think is why in the end you see Maul being cradled by Obi-Wan.

This idea is that Obi-Wan is willing to forgive this person who is so cruel and terrible because he feels pity for him. To his dying breath Maul is hoping there will be some revenge exacted upon his enemies. And in my mind, Obi-Wan expresses sadness there because that means that Maul has never grown and will never be released from his suffering. So I felt that moment had to be beyond a lightsaber fight and had to be more an expression of their characters.”

Also, you may not have noticed this, but Filoni pointed out a moment that showed how Obi-Wan has been ready for this fight since The Phantom Menace:

Maul tries to get Obi-Wan with a very similar move as he gets Qui-Gon. Which is he blocks and uses the blunt of his hilt to smack Qui-Gon in the face. So I had Maul try to do the same thing to Obi-Wan but again, to show growth, Obi-Wan is ready for that and slices it right in half. That slicing of the lightsaber hilt is to represent Maul being sliced. But we all joked that maybe Obi-Wan should dice him up and bring him to other parts of the planet because he tends to come back, that crafty Maul. But not this time.

The binary sunset from Star Wars: A New Hope, which is directly referenced in the latest Rebels. Image: Fox
All throughout the episode, it’s mentioned that Obi-Wan is watching over someone, “the chosen one.” “He’ll avenge us all,” Maul says.


Obviously, there’s no question who they could be referring to. And at the end of the episode, we see Luke Skywalker running around as a little boy at the Lars homestead, with the binary sunset, and hear Aunt Beru calling him, along with iconic John Williams’ iconic score.

Filoni explained his decision to show Luke Skywalker wasn’t just for long-time Star Wars fans, but primarily for the new ones:

“We have to look at every episode of Rebels as if you’ve never seen Star Wars before. So if you think of it that way whenever Maul and Obi-Wan are talking about ‘The Chosen One’ or ‘Who are you protecting?’ if you never see or we don’t give the context of that, there are a lot of people who won’t know whats going on there. The Star Wars fan will but the average person will not. So at the very least the scene establishes, in its simplest form, there’s Obi-Wan, he was protecting someone, and there’s a woman yelling ‘Luke,’ and we see what we think of as a young boy running. ‘Oh, so Obi-Wan is protecting a boy named Luke.’ It’s designed to give you that specific bit of information that you need in the story.

Now, if you’re a fan and you go ‘OH MY GOD that’s Luke Skywalker, that’s even better. Now you’re getting the whole thing... But from a sensible story point you have to have that scene at the end to give some idea of what this old man is doing in the desert. You can’t rely on the Star Wars films as if they’ve been universally watched even though we know they’re pretty popular.”

Incidentally, the late actress Shelagh Fraser, who played Aunt Beru in the original 1977 film, actually voiced the character in the episode. Filoni said he believes they used one of her takes from the original filming of A New Hope. (If you were wondering, previous recordings of Alec Guinness were not used to voice Obi-Wan in the episode; voice actor Stephen Staunton is just that good.)

As fun as it is to talk about legacy characters like Luke Skywalker, Obi-Wan Kenobi, and Darth Maul, this is Star Wars Rebels after all. It’s not the story of those characters, it’s the story of young Jedi-in-training Ezra Bridger. Bridger is a key component in the episode, but how these events will change him remains to be seen.



“Season four will answer that,” Filoni promised. “Going into season four now Ezra has a much greater sense of who he is.... season three, in a lot of ways, has been about a quest for power, for true allies and true family. So you see most of the characters deal with that in season three.”

Filoni explained, however, that “power” means different things to different people. For the Sith it’s literal, but for the Jedi, it’s about selflessness and sacrificing to help others. “Ezra is taking a bigger step along that path, which is helping others,” Filoni said. “Which he has always wanted to do but knowing you should do that and knowing how to do that are vastly different things.”

Bridger’s involvement was so important to the director/writer/producer that he personally storyboarded the entire episode where Ezra walks out from the archway (above), all the way through the end credits.


I really wanted to get into the psychology of this moment and what it’s like for Ezra to commit to going out into this nothingness to find this man. And it’s a very searching moment. Mythically. Going out into the desert is almost like a purification thing. Traveling through fire, traveling through cold, coming out on the other side….It’s Obi-Wan. When it’s all on the line like that I have to be right there.

Star Wars Rebels wraps up next week with a two-part finale and then will be back later this year for its fourth season, already in production.


CLASSIC!!!!
 
Where can I stream all the episodes?


after the season i`m gonna zip it and repost in the tv section...

but i think streams r out tho.. go to the tv section & ask in the request thread...

this the best season by far...the tie in`s to rogue & new hope alone is worth it...

clone or rebels...? :rolleyes2:
 
after the season i`m gonna zip it and repost in the tv section...

but i think streams r out tho.. go to the tv section & ask in the request thread...

this the best season by far...the tie in`s to rogue & new hope alone is worth it...

clone or rebels...? :rolleyes2:
props... heading there now
 
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