How many generations in hip hop? If Rakim Is 3rd Generation MC Then What Generation Are We In 2017?

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The first generation of rappers would be the party rockers in the mid 70s
The second generation would be the early signed rappers (sugar hill gang, kurtis blow etc) of the early 80s
The 3rd gen would be run dmc, llcool j, rakim etc in the mid 80s

or is there another way to count generations??
 
is there another way to count generations?
By style....because with each generation there were periods of rap/hip-hop where things changed whether it was style of rap,the way they dressed,acted or emulated something for example remember when every rapper had on suits,pinky rings,dress hats,and started naming themselves after mobster's/gangster's or started with the aka's of them? Luchi aka Luchiany ,Money aka Money-naro .Jay did it and even Nas did it by himself and with The firm,shit was wack.
This was after when every rapper had to have fatigues,boots,with a blunt,with unkept hair with 9mm tucked and this was in the summer.Gritty rap with the look to match.
 
I'd split the 90s in half from early to late cuz the mood of hip-hop changes so swiftly:

From 1990-1995 95-99 4th & 5th generation:

Beginning of Nas legend. Wu-Tang up and coming. Between the rise and fall of conscious backpack rap and the rise and fall of biggie and 2pac eras. The beginning of gansta rap popularity and the proliferation of west coast artist. The emergence of Mos Def, Talib Kelli. There was a lot of shit happening in the 90's too much to put here.

From 2000-2006 6th gen:

Nas Ether, Jay-Z black album retirement and the hiatus of Dr.Dre. The coming of Eminem, 50 Cent, G-Unit, Lil Wayne, The Game, Kanye West, The South take over the industry etc

From 06-2010 7th gen. The South still taking the industry, Gucci, Waka Flocka, Jeezy, Lil Wayne. The coming of trap music. The beginning of Drake, Rick Ross, Kendrick Lamar.

Then from 2010-2016 8th gen: Future, the rise of Trap music and several imitators. NY back in the picture with gang of new talent.

I'd say currently in 2017 we in the 8th generation now.

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....this generation

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Rakim is a different generation than Run DMC and LL. Rakim is with Big Daddy Kane, KRS1, Ultramagnetic Mcs.

So going by your logic. Run DMC, LL, etc..would be a part of the second generation, Rakim, etc...would be a part of 3rd generation.

Todays' generation would probably be like the 8th generation.
 
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I wouldn't put 70s djs as a gen but a precursor. Start at sugar hill, grand master, blow, dmc as one. A/b rap. Rakim, Kane, heavy d, kid n play, top billin as gen 2(braggadocious mc). Nwa begins 3 with Dre era, snoop on west side and nas, tribe, dela soul, and others on east, era of street reporting rap, then Jay z, biggie, Tupac, diddy, busta, Eminem, nelly, outkast as mainstream hip hop reaches peak for gen 4(braggadocious wealth attainment), the decline follows with only heavy hittas and one hit wonders for gen 5 but Wayne dominates, Drake, a lil jay z and nas, snoop, minaj, Kendrick between 5 and gen 6 with trap music slur shit, future, black Beatles, panda incoherent style with all digital sales.
Like other genres, hip hop had it's peak at 4. By the time it reaches gen 8, my guess is that it will sound electro/techno/trip
 
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Rakim is a different generation than RMC and LL. Rakim is with Big Daddy Kane, KRS1, Ultramagnetic Mcs.

So going by your logic. Run DMC, LL, etc..would be a part of the second generation, Rakim, etc...would be a part of 3rd generation.

Todays' generation would probably be like the 8th generation.

I wouldn't put 70s djs as a gen but a precursor. Start at sugar hill, grand master, blow, dmc as one. A/b rap. Rakim, Kane, heavy d, kid n play, top billin as gen 2. Nwa begins 3 with Dre era, snoop on west side and nas, tribe, dela soul, and others on east, era of street reporting rap, then Jay z, biggie, Tupac, diddy, busta, Eminem, nelly, outkast as mainstream hip hop reaches peak for gen 4, the decline follows with only heavy hittas and one hit wonders for gen 5 but Wayne dominates, Drake, a lil jay z and nas, snoop, minaj, Kendrick between 5 and gen 6 with trap music slur shit, future, black Beatles, panda incoherent style with all digital sales.
Like other genres, hip hop had it's peak at 4. By the time it reaches gen 8, my guess is that it will sound electro/techno/trip
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By style....because with each generation there were periods of rap/hip-hop where things changed whether it was style of rap,the way they dressed,acted or emulated something for example remember when every rapper had on suits,pinky rings,dress hats,and started naming themselves after mobster's/gangster's or started with the aka's of them? Luchi aka Luchiany ,Money aka Money-naro .Jay did it and even Nas did it by himself and with The firm,shit was wack.
This was after when every rapper had to have fatigues,boots,with a blunt,with unkept hair with 9mm tucked and this was in the summer.Gritty rap with the look to match.
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The first generation of rappers would be the party rockers in the mid 70s
The second generation would be the early signed rappers (sugar hill gang, kurtis blow etc) of the early 80s
The 3rd gen would be run dmc, llcool j, rakim etc in the mid 80s

or is there another way to count generations??
I wouldn't put 70s djs as a gen but a precursor. Start at sugar hill, grand master, blow, dmc as one. A/b rap. Rakim, Kane, heavy d, kid n play, top billin as gen 2. Nwa begins 3 with Dre era, snoop on west side and nas, tribe, dela soul, and others on east, era of street reporting rap, then Jay z, biggie, Tupac, diddy, busta, Eminem, nelly, outkast as mainstream hip hop reaches peak for gen 4, the decline follows with only heavy hittas and one hit wonders for gen 5 but Wayne dominates, Drake, a lil jay z and nas, snoop, minaj, Kendrick between 5 and gen 6 with trap music slur shit, future, black Beatles, panda incoherent style with all digital sales.
Like other genres, hip hop had it's peak at 4. By the time it reaches gen 8, my guess is that it will sound electro/techno/trip/edm

To respectfully add and edit on your points and others. Top of my head, pivotal point in rap leading of new generation is highlighted in red.


The word Hip Hop in terms of generation is graffiti, dj, bboy dancing ,not just Rap.(early 70's)


As far as rap, yes, I would ADD Rappers in 70's as a 1st generation crowd motivators for various reason.... like dj hollywood, who was a dj BUT one of the pioneers of rapping over disco beats not just simply using the mic to motivate the crowd. You also had storytelling rap emerging and the bragging style("how nice I am") rap.Original House Rocker Eddie Cheba (keep in mind, in order for rappers to exist folks like house rockers like Eddie Cheba was wasnt a rapper but crowd motivator help create a space in people's mind to become a full fledge rapper down the road) not sure if im clear but....

The late 79 to very early 84 ish is in itself its own generation, pre crack era days

Example: aside from cold crush,kurtis blows of the world already mentioned.

You had rappers from late 70's
The Crash Crew,
one of the first recorded MC crews, forms in Harlem.

The Funky Four+One is forms with one of hip-hop's first female MCs, Sha Rock.
Hot songs:

  • Rappin & Rocking The House" (1979)
  • "That's The Joint" (1980)
The Sequence was a female old school hip hop trio(Angie Stone was a part

of) signed to the Sugar Hill label ... Their most notable single was "Funk You Up" (1979 ), first female rap group
Jimmy Spicer, Masterdon Committee,Spoonie G., Kim Tim 111 Fatback song,Tee Ski Valley ,
Divine Sounds, Schooly D.etc.....,
Busy Bee vs kool moe d rap battle,
the most important rap battle at the time cause it was passing of the torch. Around 1981, kool moe dee help shifted the metaphors,straight spittin,vocabulary intensive rap to the game. A new door was open or generation leading to new school rap.

1985 leading into 1986 new school generation like Ultramagnetic mC's started to lyrically separated themselves from Kool Moe D,Rum DmC etc.... off beat rhyme patterns,metaphors,advanced vocabulary, more creative pen game.....
Lee Jeans,Thick laces on Adidas,Pumas style was being played out 1986.


I purposely didnt include kane,public enemy etc...cause those name already mentioned. I just wanted to highlight
Earlier artists.

Side note:
Of course im forgetting some names but top of my head,
Philly had Lady T,Schooly D (probably the first gangsta rap song,Philly had some rap)
Regarding west coast,Egyptian Lover,LA dream Team,Ice T had old school rapper Donald D part of zulu nation flew to west coast to work on Ice T Power album and joined Ice T's Rhyme Syndicate crew.
 
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That's interesting

I guess he is

So are Big Daddy Kane, EPMD, Tribe and KRS fourth?

Biggie, Snoop, Wu and Nas fifth

Jay-Z, Mase, Master P and The Lox sixth

Em, Juvenile and Nelly seventh

50 Cent and Jah eighth...I thought about combining them, but Em, Juvenile and Nelly deserve their own

So yeah, we're like on ten or eleven
 
That's interesting

I guess he is

So are Big Daddy Kane, EPMD, Tribe and KRS fourth?

Biggie, Snoop, Wu and Nas fifth

Jay-Z, Mase, Master P and The Lox sixth

Em, Juvenile and Nelly seventh

50 Cent and Jah eighth...I thought about combining them, but Em, Juvenile and Nelly deserve their own

So yeah, we're like on ten or eleven
wait I don't think you can combine people into their own generation...it kinda has to go by era and debut time....right??

I mean kane epmd and krs are golden era (4th gen) late 80s

big snoop and nas came in at the tail end of the GE and the rise of the gangsta era (5th gen) early 90s

JZ mase and lox came in during the height of the gangsta era 6th gen mid 90s

dre (4 gen) discovered em (7th gen) late 90s

em discovered 50 8th gen early 00s

which would make drake and kendrick lamar what??
 
First Generation: Sugar Hill, African Bambatta, Grand Master Flash, all the pioneers like Herc, Theodore, Fatback
Second Generation: UTFO, Curtis Blow, Nucleus, and all the electronica groups.
Third Generation: Eric B and Rakim, and all the groups from the golden era 87-89.

Some groups were on the tail end or the beginning on the generation. Like Run DMC was on the tail end of the second generation. LL was the beginning of the third.

1991 was the Fouth Generation: New Jack and the start of conscious rap.
Fifth: Biggie and Tupac era (rap was being put in a box)
Sixth: Lil Wayne when shit got ignorant.:smh:
Seventh: mumble shit we have today :smh:
 
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I used to think that but Nas is really a derivative of Slick Rick. Who else is still writing story raps apart from scarface?


Tend to agree but what I did was separate duos from groups to single artist. I'd def put Brand Nubian in top ten groups of 90s but they didn't have that stamina. EPMD lasted longer as a duo but I like all Erick Sermon joints. Maybe one of two was pure classic. Shit gets a lil tricky. I'd still go by decade though.
 
First Generation: Sugar Hill, African Bambatta, Grand Master Flash, all the pioneers like Herc, Theodore, Fatback
Second Generation: UTFO, Curtis Blow, Nucleus, and all the electronica groups.


I was finna argue this but that sparked an interesting change. The pioneering generation rhymed over the entire dated record or hired musicians. The 2nd gen used drum machines and synths. The Planet Rock single ushered that sound. The 3rd gen were sample heavy credit to Marley Marl.
 
Nas is probably a blend of both.
Rae and Ghost still do stories

Well, the influence is there but rappers bit Ra's tone before his rhyme style. BTW Even Kool Moe Dee, Caz and Kurtis Blow were doing that but his cadence stood out.

Illmatic is nothing but stories and observations. One glorified rap journalist album.
 

I was finna argue this but that sparked an interesting change. The pioneering generation rhymed over the entire dated record or hired musicians. The 2nd gen used drum machines and synths. The Planet Rock single ushered that sound. The 3rd gen were sample heavy credit to Marley Marl.



you could say that newcleus was essentially a funk band..
 
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I was finna argue this but that sparked an interesting change. The pioneering generation rhymed over the entire dated record or hired musicians. The 2nd gen used drum machines and synths. The Planet Rock single ushered that sound. The 3rd gen were sample heavy credit to Marley Marl.



you could say that newcleus was essentially a funk band..[/QUOTE]

Why not?

 
Questlove explains, and he has a good point, that hip hop generations can be broken down according to the drugs that are most impactful at the time and the music that is produced as a result.
I can't remember his exact break down but it went something like this:

Seventies/eighties - crack era/powder
late eighties/early nineties - weed and 40's
late nineties - weed and lean/drank/etc.
early 2000's - molly
currently - various pharmaceuticals
 

I was finna argue this but that sparked an interesting change. The pioneering generation rhymed over the entire dated record or hired musicians. The 2nd gen used drum machines and synths. The Planet Rock single ushered that sound. The 3rd gen were sample heavy credit to Marley Marl.


I was finna argue this but that sparked an interesting change. The pioneering generation rhymed over the entire dated record or hired musicians. The 2nd gen used drum machines and synths. The Planet Rock single ushered that sound. The 3rd gen were sample heavy credit to Marley Marl.
It's a bit tricky depends who you ask
As far as rap not hip otherwise id include BBoy dancing,dj.etc... cause the sound catered to BBoys due to break beats.(james brown funk for example) then more party club disco songs DJ and MC (crowd motivators) current disco songs with hyping the crowd then the MC starting went from cathy phrases.and.rhymes to.extended verses bars hooks while disco was slowly fizzling out However where would we put Coke La Rock, DJ Hollywood who.in the thick of the disco.sounds or current disco sounds actually rapped?extended rhymes bragging typen of rhymes ,
Or where do we put full fledged rappers or groups like late 70's rappers like Crash Krew,
Busy Bee?
Someone mentioned storytelling rap. Im too lazy too research but storytelling rap was years before Rick obviously but for HIS generation, Slick Rick was great at it.

Basically, I think some folks dont want to include the party crowd motivater.raps but what about those in between that genre that are link to straight spittin bars from that same era?

I would say first generation then busy bee late 70's very early 80's generation to kool moe dee (1981) rap battle.... they had with that generation of (treacherous three,donald d, cold crysh, Sequence, love bug star ski, spoonie g.....to.another generation ......LL cool,run, then ultramagnetic,delasoul,


I skipped around but

Personally, i feel that two generations existed in the early to late 70's and late 70's to early 80's era. and mid 80's to ............on and on.

I know Neuclues,Planet Rock sound was mentioned and was critical as far as rap trying to find post Disco and funk sound to carve their own then I would include Mantronix and of course some UK sounds but many others werent using those type of "space aged "beats in their rhymes" .that was a niche within itself but only soundwise. It didnt move the needle foward as far as actual "rhymes or rap" though. However it was great that that was it was cool to be a lil different .



Side note: as far as DJ's
Cant forget.early.dj's like Mario,Bronxdale area Dj's.Bronx
 
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That's interesting

I guess he is

So are Big Daddy Kane, EPMD, Tribe and KRS fourth?

Biggie, Snoop, Wu and Nas fifth

Jay-Z, Mase, Master P and The Lox sixth

Em, Juvenile and Nelly seventh

50 Cent and Jah eighth...I thought about combining them, but Em, Juvenile and Nelly deserve their own

So yeah, we're like on ten or eleven
Thanks, I'll use this breakdown to assist my sorting of music for parties. Props for this thread
 
1st Gen-The Party Rocker Era (1974-1978)-DJ Hollywood, King Tim III, Lovebug Starski & other cats started hip hop in the parks in this era. Rap was more about catch phrases than lyrics then. Breakbeats, and the DJ's that played them, were the background to this era.

2nd Gen-The Electro Era(1978-1980)-Cats like Mantronix, Newcleus & Jam Pony Express started getting into electronic instrumentation & using that to define their music. Rappers began to move past the catchphrase style to lyrics. Beats became stotic, as the TR-808 had a hell of a time replicating a true drum pattern.

3rd Gen: The B-Boy Era(1980-1987): This is the era that rap as we know it truly began. The Run-DMC & LL Cool J style dominated, with lyrics becoming more complex but still a callback to the catchphrase style. The music became more detailed, with the thudding TR-808 beats backed by the EnSonic keyboards & samples galore.

4th Gen: The Bragging Era (1987-1989): This era is where the Kane, Kool G. Rap & Rakim come in. The DJ ceases to be the center of the party & the MC is now dominant. Lyrics become extremely complex, with multis, metaphors & details that rival the deepest poems & stories. The music doesn't change too much, however, with samples of James Brown's records creating the soundscape of many, if not all, of these songs.

5th Gen: The Alternative Hip-Hop Era(1989-1996): The lyrics & influence of groups such as the NOI & the Zulu Nation, along with a growing consciousness of Afrikan culture due to media exposure creates this era. Cats like KMD, Poor Righetous Teachers, X-Clan, BDP & others push the lyrics to the reality of ghetto life & the blackness of hip hop itself. Samples from jazz, disco, spoken words & other genres began to show up, along with the art of chopping up a song (mastered by DJs like Premier & Evil Dee). As the sampler's memory grows, so does the backdrop of music that can be painted in this era.

6th Gen: The Gangsta Era (1994-1998): In the midst of the Alternative Hip-Hop Era, the West Coast moved forward, taking the funk of George Clinton & the Bragging Era & created their own version of hip-hop, based on their enviroment. First called Reality Rap, once NWA set the fire, the blaze created a wave of gangstas that met & surpassed the
Alternative Hip-Hop Era. Rappers like Snoop Dogg, Warren G., Ice Cube & others slowed down the flow but still kept the rhymes complex while telling their stories.

7th Gen: The Hip-Pop Era (1998-2001): The popularity of Gangsta rap, due to George Clinton's funk (IMHO), created an economic boom. The economic boom had a side effect, however....now, everyone & their momma wanted to be rappers. The marketplace supported it but in return, the lyrics were either simplified or exaggerated for the appetite of a larger audience. This lead to artists merging their form of music with rap, such as rap-rock icons Limp Bizkit & Korn, trip-hop artists like Portishead, pop-lite acts with bars like LFO & LEN or straight alternative like Gorillaz. The authentic rappers were still around (see WC, MC Eiht) but either chose to ride the wave to riches (Coolio), keep it authentic & stay typecasted (MC Ren) or change their styles to something a little more lyrical to stand out (Ras Kass, Ahmad, Souls of Mischief, The Pharcyde).

8th Gen: The Southern Era (2000-2005): In the wake of the Hip-Pop Era, the South stood quiet, building on the funk of the west & the lyricism of the East, mashing it up into a hybrid that started the Southern Era. Held together by country bonds & backed by a independent hustle that guaranteed wealth before even sniffing the mainstream, cats like No Limit, Cash Money, Suave House & the Texas movement freed them from the compromise of a record label...which they were now able to meet on equal terms with their own style. UGK, Master P, Scarface, Vell Barkardy, Mike Jones & more all put out music that sold, due to not being shoeboxed in & because it was their reality rap with just a little bit of gangsta in it.

9th Gen: The Money Era (2005-2009): Samples have always been a major part of hip-hop & rap. However, when producers decided to push the envelope of sampling from just a piece of G-Funk to an entire song's backing, you get a popular hit re purposed for the now. Puffy & Jermaine Dupri jumped on this bandwagon, seeing the hole that the West & South left open & converting it for East Coast ears by having lyricists spit the hardest of bars against the music's bouncy flows. Taking the offbeat Southern cadence, along with the reality raps that the West Coast perfected, artists such as Biggie Smalls, Craig Mack, Bow Wow, Da Brat, Nelly, Nas, T.I. & others followed this blueprint to fame & fortune.

10th Gen: The Trap Era (2010-2014): Music is universal, as is drug use. When the drug of a music culture crosses over to another, it completely alters the entire format of the genre. Rap music, by this time, had diversified itself amongst all the different genres. To be honest, every genre had a rap variant to it. However, the Money Era's lust for nepotism, along with the Southern Era's support base consisting of strip clubs & hole in the walls, created an opening for a new drug to take way: lean. Lean slows everything down....due to that, the music sloooooooowed down & the lyrics followed along. Molly followed soon after, coming from the grime/rave/trip-hop subculture that ran parallel with hip-hop ascendancy. Beats became slow & plodding, lyrics became simpler yet more direct & a number of variants was formed from local cities pushing their specific culture into the music (drill music, mumble rap). Artists like Future, Chief Keef, Wacka Flocka Flame & others define this era.

11th Gen: Now (nothing sticks out yet) (2014- ): So far, it seems that the music of the Trap Era is waking up & retaking lyricism. Beats are still slow & plodding, but the instrumentation behind them isn't. Cats like Migos & Rae Sremurred are the standards, so far.

Please note a few things:

A lot of these eras blend into one another. I'm aware of that.

Also, I am aware that not everyone is doing the predominant music of the era. The era is defined by the artists that are the rule, not the exception. So, even though Kendrick Lamar is dominant in the Trap Era, he is not the exception. Same thing goes for J. Cole in the Trap Era, etc.
 
A lot of these eras blend into one another. I'm aware of that.

Also, I am aware that not everyone is doing the predominant music of the era. The era is defined by the artists that are the rule, not the exception. So, even though Kendrick Lamar is dominant in the Trap Era, he is not the exception. Same thing goes for J. Cole in the Trap Era, etc.


I appreciate the layout of this, but having B.I.G and Craig Mack in the 05-09 category is a lot more than just simple "overlap". Who wrote this?
 
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