New Edition biopic - this actually looks interesting!!

[Better]

My sister came over last night and we watch episode 2 and 3. I said the same thing about Michael Bivins doing the same thing to his Artist as was done to him. It is a trend, a very sad Trend in music. Whatever our get their own label and their own list of talent instead of doing better by their artists may end up screwing over there artists the same way they were screwed over.

I can sing, but I never really took my shot. I remember when I sign for Eric Benet at his concert in Cleveland and he gave me as manager's number and I didn't call. I wonder what would have become of me. Would it have been the standard first album hot, second album lukewarm third album okay A Greatest Hits and bye bye godofwine?

Declining quality bothers me. A lot. I don't understand it. If your first album was hot, you now have even more people at your disposal to guarantee your next project is AT LEAST just as good.

You figured out the formula for a hot album and then forgot?

I don't get why artists fall off, barring major personal issues. If you're truly talented, even if its not a huge commercial success, the album should be a good listen.

 

[woodchuck]

Declining quality bothers me. A lot. I don't understand it. If your first album was hot, you now have even more people at your disposal to guarantee your next project is AT LEAST just as good.

You figured out the formula for a hot album and then forgot?

I don't get why artists fall off, barring major personal issues. If you're truly talented, even if its not a huge commercial success, the album should be a good listen.

Here's what happens: Artist comes out of the box with flames. Spends a lot of time promoting, doing shows, TV appearances, the whole nine. Dude is the shit! Then when it's time to do the next project, one of two things happen, either he or the label wants him to move in another direction, or want them to duplicate what they just did, and both of them are a crap shoot. How many times have we heard artists say: "I don't want to come out sounding like my last album. I want my fans to see another side of me.", and sometimes, that "other side of you" may not be what the label or the fans want to see or hear.

If the label don't like it, they'll either shelve it, under promote it, or lock you in a legal battle, because you refuse to play ball. If the fans don't like it, your followup will go double plywood, and the label will move on to the next troubadour of the month. As for the red highlighted part, it's usually a good listen for true fans. It's like Jamiroquai, it was the Johnny Come Latelys that blew them up in the USA. After the next album, those are usually the ones that jump ship.

 

[godofwine]

Declining quality bothers me. A lot. I don't understand it. If your first album was hot, you now have even more people at your disposal to guarantee your next project is AT LEAST just as good.

You figured out the formula for a hot album and then forgot?

I don't get why artists fall off, barring major personal issues. If you're truly talented, even if its not a huge commercial success, the album should be a good listen.

I understand your sentiment, but there are distractions. Family distractions from them pulling at you on every side. There are drugs. The most popular one is hunger. You were hungry... No you were starving with that first record, now you're just a little famished.

Listen to Jay Z My first song, you stay hungry by treating everyday like it's your first day in the studio and that is hard to do.

Another common thing is that new artists get paid shit. Literally shit. So after the first album sells off the charts you are battling with the label because you're only getting $0.25 a CD and management won't renegotiate your deal, which adds to the distraction and the lack of focus. I remember after Toni Braxton's second CD, Secrets she was trying to get $0.50/CD - she wasn't getting but $0.25 off of a $15 CD

 

[godofwine]

Here's what happens: Artist comes out of the box with flames. Spends a lot of time promoting, doing shows, TV appearances, the whole nine. Dude is the shit! Then when it's time to do the next project, one of two things happen, either he or the label wants him to move in another direction, or want them to duplicate what they just did, and both of them are a crap shoot. How many times have we heard artists say: "I don't want to come out sounding like my last album. I want my fans to see another side of me.", and sometimes, that "other side of you" may not be what the label or the fans want to see or hear.

If the label don't like it, they'll either shelve it, under promote it, or lock you in a legal battle, because you refuse to play ball. If the fans don't like it, your followup will go double plywood, and the label will move on to the next troubadour of the month. As for the red highlighted part, it's usually a good listen for true fans. It's like Jamiroquai, it was the Johnny Come Latelys that blew them up in the USA. After the next album, those are usually the ones that jump ship.

Exactly. Then, with the lightning-in-a-bottle or you trying to recreate that same song or the same type of song. Bone Thugs tried to do it with If I Could Teach the World after tha crossroads; Michael Jackson tried to do it a ton of times after we are the world (actually 'Can You Feel It" with The Jacksons was his first change the world song), but Heal The World, Man in the Mirror. You get it.

For Michael Jackson it work, but for Bone Thugs and Harmony when their music went soft trying to do the crossover route if they alienated Many of their main fans trying to cross over to the fickle white crowd. When the fickle crowd left they ended up with far fewer fans than if they would have stayed true to their work.

And once you cross over, you're done. I've always said stick to what you do, and let the fickle crowd chase after you. If they like what you do they'll continue to like what you do but you don't alienate your base

 

[BlkStrength]

Ralph seems pissed during the whole interview

 

[woodchuck]

And once you cross over, you're done. I've always said stick to what you do, and let the fickle crowd chase after you. If they like what you do they'll continue to like what you do but you don't alienate your base

I had this same conversation with members of Jamiroquai. After "Virtual Insanity" broke, Jay has hellbent of targeting America with the next album, and I told Toby (keyboards/writing) not to, just do what you do. When Synchronized dropped, a lot of old AND new fans jumped ship. We even fell out, because I gave them the "I told you so!" speech.

 

[RoadRage]

Ralph seems pissed during the whole interview

He does come off like a passive aggressive type kat who tries to act like everything is ok while throwing shade at folks on the low.
Seems like Mike figured out how to deal with his shit and became the true leader of the group from the cut.

 

[melonpecan]

My sister came over last night and we watch episode 2 and 3. I said the same thing about Michael Bivins doing the same thing to his Artist as was done to him. It is a trend, a very sad Trend in music. Whatever our get their own label and their own list of talent instead of doing better by their artists may end up screwing over there artists the same way they were screwed over.

I can sing, but I never really took my shot. I remember when I sign for Eric Benet at his concert in Cleveland and he gave me as manager's number and I didn't call. I wonder what would have become of me. Would it have been the standard first album hot, second album lukewarm third album okay A Greatest Hits and bye bye godofwine?

I question you, would it be a difference if you did it then, or now? I'm not in the music business, (though goodness knows there were dreams), but I think the knowledge makes all the difference. In anything you do. (go for it)

I had this same conversation with members of Jamiroquai. After "Virtual Insanity" broke, Jay has hellbent of targeting America with the next album, and I told Toby (keyboards/writing) not to, just do what you do. When Synchronized dropped, a lot of old AND new fans jumped ship. We even fell out, because I gave them the "I told you so!" speech.

WOah
I need to go back and listen to some of this music. Back in the day "Virtual Insanity" was the only song I heard. Then after a few years had passed I was able to hear more songs, (thank you internet), and really thought the group was pretty even in product. Damn.

I go through this with my moms a lot though. Sometimes it takes her a couple of years to accept the "I Told You So". Hopefully they can get right with you.

 

[stretchwallz]

How Ralph thought Bobby stole his songs ...when Bobbys first album was trash? His second album "don't be cruel" was the smash.

These were Bobby songs from debut album.

 

[woodchuck]

I need to go back and listen to some of this music. Back in the day "Virtual Insanity" was the only song I heard. Then after a few years had passed I was able to hear more songs, (thank you internet), and really thought the group was pretty even in product. Damn.

Listen to the Emergency on Planet Earth & Return of the Space Cowboy albums.

 

[KingTaharqa]

How Ralph thought Bobby stole his songs ...when Bobbys first album was trash? His second album "don't be cruel" was the smash.

These were Bobby songs from debut album.

"Girlfriend" is the shit but that CD aint fuckin wit Dont Be Cruel.

 

[KingTaharqa]

Listen to the Emergency on Planet Earth & Return of the Space Cowboy albums.

Those albums are so good. I jumped on them at Space Cowboy when it dropped. I bought Skynkronized and didnt like it although I still check for them.

 

[ViCiouS]

Declining quality bothers me. A lot. I don't understand it. If your first album was hot, you now have even more people at your disposal to guarantee your next project is AT LEAST just as good.

You figured out the formula for a hot album and then forgot?

I don't get why artists fall off, barring major personal issues. If you're truly talented, even if its not a huge commercial success, the album should be a good listen.

And once you cross over, you're done. I've always said stick to what you do, and let the fickle crowd chase after you. If they like what you do they'll continue to like what you do but you don't alienate your base

a successful album is usually a team effort - not everyone is able to keep a team - especially when they never spent time to learn the business
Label politics, management issues, etc and artist ignorance of the business make consistency very difficult.
To my pov - there are entertainers - then there are artists. Entertainers live to move the crowd no matter the how, but artists rarely want to go back to where they were creatively yesterday and are the ones to take huge leaps / risks.
Extremes of either also lead to a perceived decline in quality

Mike ended up doing what was done to him when he became an executive. Saying the same shit, "But did you read the contract?"

. I said the same thing about Michael Bivins doing the same thing to his Artist as was done to him. It is a trend, a very sad Trend in music. Whatever our get their own label and their own list of talent instead of doing better by their artists may end up screwing over there artists the same way they were screwed over.

Under MCA Mike never did what was done to NE...
NE got ripped for almost all show money and royalties over multiple albums and tours

 

[ViCiouS]

How Ralph thought Bobby stole his songs ...when Bobbys first album was trash? His second album "don't be cruel" was the smash.

These were Bobby songs from debut album.

Bobby's first album is not what Ralph was talking about. Bobbys first album was worked on in 85 during NE's All for Love
It was Don't be Cruel that Ralph felt that way about

The production of songs for Ralph's project was being worked before NE Heartbreak and Don't Be Cruel and the music was being worked on concurrently under MCA in 86 and 87...

 

[Mack1052]

My sister came over last night and we watch episode 2 and 3. I said the same thing about Michael Bivins doing the same thing to his Artist as was done to him. It is a trend, a very sad Trend in music. Whatever our get their own label and their own list of talent instead of doing better by their artists may end up screwing over there artists the same way they were screwed over.

I can sing, but I never really took my shot. I remember when I sign for Eric Benet at his concert in Cleveland and he gave me as manager's number and I didn't call. I wonder what would have become of me. Would it have been the standard first album hot, second album lukewarm third album okay A Greatest Hits and bye bye godofwine?

Probably could have become a studio head and became a writer, engineer or producer. That's the longer, consistent stressfree money

 

[ViCiouS]

I think I am going to regret this, but what exactly do yall mean when yall said Bobby had to get the shit?

 

[Mack1052]

Listen to the Emergency on Planet Earth & Return of the Space Cowboy albums.

Forever my two favorite tracks from them

 

[dtownsfinest]

Ralph was loyal to a fault. When they was kids, it was commendable. As they got older, it became sad. I don't fault him for it - it's a nice character trait to have. I'm just saying at some point as a PERSON, as a MAN, you gotta stand up for yourself. The icing on the cake was when he didn't stand up to his wife during the divorce scene. It's a pattern with him, and you can't go through life like that all the time.

Mike ended up doing what was done to him when he became an executive. Saying the same shit, "But did you read the contract?" That's an asshole. I don't think he was that much of an ass to NE, simply because he was learning and just knew something had to change. But when it got to the end...yeah...it seem pretty assholeish how he's treating his 'clients'.

Dem dudes been through a lot though. And still touring. I commend them for coming out the other side in tact.

I think Ralph did. He told them he was dropping a solo and then the label told him to chill and do the sNew Edition album first then let the segway into your album. The whole divorce scene....I took that as him just trying to wipe the slate clean and get rid of her.

Mike was right though. You gotta read your contracts. The story goes New Edition got fucked over in their deals but they really didn't. They signed some bullshit they shouldn't have signed.

Master P said it in a interview on Hot 97 about a week or two ago and it was true shit. Jimmy Iovine offered him a million dollars to sign with Interscope. In Master P's mind he felt if he didn't know shit about P and offered him a million then that means he must've been worth 50 million. That's what labels do. A label's job is to make money not make their clients money. Its a fucked up business but the only ones who lose are the ones who don't read the contract.

To Mike Bivins credit....i've never heard anyone say they got screwed over by him. A lot of these groups like Boyz 2 Men he was actually managing them.

 

[dtownsfinest]

How Ralph thought Bobby stole his songs ...when Bobbys first album was trash? His second album "don't be cruel" was the smash.

These were Bobby songs from debut album.

I forget this was Bobby's first introduction. But these songs aren't bad. Sounds about what everyone else was producing at that time. Babyface and LA Reid just took this shit to a whole different level.

I think that's what Ralph's beef was. I think he was referring to the Don't be Cruel album because if i'm not mistaken he was suppose to work with LA and Babyface first.

 

[ViCiouS]

The story goes New Edition got fucked over in their deals but they really didn't. They signed some bullshit they shouldn't have signed.

no -they were really robbed... the first go around was straight felony Donald Trump school of don't pay and file for bankruptcy the 2nd time around was the same situation that happened later to 112

 

[RoadRage]

You see this is exactly why I refused to watch the show in the first place, but looking back, not watching a train wreck doesn't prevent the people in the wreck from getting harmed.
Still it's rough sesing my childhood idols diminished like that.
But, then again I did ask for it.

 

[dtownsfinest]

So this is news to me.....anyone ever seen the song credits for My Prerogative?

Credits and personnel[edit]

• Bobby Brown – lead vocals, songwriting, co-production
• Gene Griffin – songwriting, mixing, co-production
• Teddy Riley – background vocals, keyboards, mixing
• Dennis Mitchell – engineering, mixing, recording
• Jim Hanneman – engineering, mixing, recording
• Markell Riley – drum programming
• Aaron Hall – background vocals
• Bernard Belle – background vocals
• Lee Drakeford – background vocals

I always knew Teddy did something on the record because Bobby shouts him out on the record but damn Id din't know Aaron Hall was on the background vocals.

 

[stretchwallz]

I forget this was Bobby's first introduction. But these songs aren't bad. Sounds about what everyone else was producing at that time. Babyface and LA Reid just took this shit to a whole different level.

I think that's what Ralph's beef was. I think he was referring to the Don't be Cruel album because if i'm not mistaken he was suppose to work with LA and Babyface first.

Roni and Don't Be Cruel could have been Ralph songs

 

[godofwine]

Probably could have become a studio head and became a writer, engineer or producer. That's the longer, consistent stressfree money

I probably could. I enjoy writing lyrics even though I don't read music. I can hear an instrumental and write a song on the spot

I question you, would it be a difference if you did it then, or now? I'm not in the music business, (though goodness knows there were dreams), but I think the knowledge makes all the difference. In anything you do. (go for it)

They don't want any old singers cuz we ain't falling for the okey doke, but I do my thing winning local talent shows ($3000 the past 3 years). They want young people they can rip off

 

[godofwine]

You see this is exactly why I refused to watch the show in the first place, but looking back, not watching a train wreck doesn't prevent the people in the wreck from getting harmed.
Still it's rough sesing my childhood idols diminished like that.
But, then again I did ask for it.

I don't watch reality TV. To me it's not to entertaining

 

[ViCiouS]

I probably could. I enjoy writing lyrics even though I don't read music. I can hear an instrumental and write a song on the spot

They don't want any old singers cuz we ain't falling for the okey doke, but I do my thing winning local talent shows ($3000 the past 3 years). They want young people they can rip off

dude - everyone - no matter their age can be ripped off in that industry
the only thing that can keep the rape to a minimum is an experienced mentor with great relationships...
Just creating a professional quality recording has a bag full of pitfalls and potential Ls... jumping in a pool with cannibalistic sharks

that being said you should jump in - advertising, ghosting, background vocals, coaching- if you write - even better



Let me tell you 'bout the snakes, the fakes, the lies
The highs at all of these industry shing-dings
Where you see the pretty girls
In the high animated world
Checkin' for a rapper with all the dough
If you take a shit they want to know
And if you're gonna fall, they won't be around, y'all
So you still wanna do the show business?
And you think that you got what it takes?
I mean you really gotta rap and be all that
And prepare yourself for the breaks
Check it out!

Do you wanna be in the business? (The Business)
The ups and downs with the hoes (The Business)
Always gettin' fronted on at shows (The Business)
People gotta stick their nose (In the Business)

Yo, I gotta speak on the cesspool
It's the rap industry and it ain't that cool
Only if you're on stage or if you're speakin' to your people
Ain't no-one your equal
Especially on the industry side
Don't let the games just glide
Right through your fingers, you gotta know the deal
So Lord Jamar speak, because you're real

They're givin' you the business and puttin' on a show
You're a million dollar man that ain't got no dough
But you got a ho tickets backstage to a show
Sedated and at that fact they elated
Time pass and your ass say Where's my loot?
The reply is a kick in the ass from a leg and a boot
All you wanna do is taste the fruit
But in the back they're makin' fruit juice
You ask for slack and wanna get cut loose from the label
Not able cos you signed at the table
For a pretty cash advance, now they got a song and dance
That you didn't recoup, more soup wit' ya meal?
Cos this is the real when you get a record deal
And I say

Shucks, look what the cat hauled in
It's Phife Dawg from A Tribe Called Quest, let me begin
Like Chuck D, I got so much trouble on my mind
'bout these no-talent artists gettin' signed, they can't rhyme
And if that ain't bad, you got bootleggers
Goin' out like suckers, motherfuckers
Feel it's time that I let loose the lion
And if not that then I'll commence to head flyin'
Seems in '91 everybody want a rhyme
And then you go and sell my tape for only $5.99?
Please nigga, I've worked too hard for this
No more will I take the booty end of the stick
Bogus brothers makin' albums when they know they can't hack it
Cos they lyrics is played like 8-Ball jackets
Now tell me I can't tear it up
Go get yourself some toilet paper cos your lyrics is butt

Do you wanna be in the business? (The Business)
People can't walk a straight line in (The Business)
Some of these brothers can't rhyme in (The Business)
A-yo, I'm tryna get mine (The Business)

The party scene is cool, but then again it's all the same
You see the same faces, but at different places
When you're up and ridin' high everything is palsy-palsy
Get a million pounds and all the skins give you hugs
Well that's cool, I can dig it, it really ain't my bag
Prefer to max on the side and let my pants sag
"Oh, he's a cutie", yeah, real cute
But I wasn't that cute when I didn't have no loot
Although I hit a pound of herbs I'm still nice with the verbs
So fuck what you heard
The born cipher, cipher master makes me think much faster
But critics still continue to plaster
My name and discredit my fame
All that shit is game
And I don't really give a damn
Eat from the tree of life and throw away the verbal ham

Well, excuse me, I gotta add my two cents in
Don't be alarmed, the rhyme was condensed in
A matter of minutes so it must be told
All that glitters' not gold
Everybody wants a deal, help me make a demo
See my name in bright lights, ride around in a limo
My moms keeps beefin' (Boy, get a job)
But I wanna make jams, damn, I know I'll slam
Huh, well it's not that easy
You gotta get a label that's willin' and able
To market and promote, and you better hope
(For what?) That the product is dope
Take it from Diamond, it's like mountain climbin'
When it comes to rhymin' you gotta put your time in
Get a good lawyer so problems won't pile
You don't wanna make a pitch that's wild

 

[REDLINE]

Just finished part 3 and very happy that they did the move right

 

[sharkbait28]

If u have cable , its on demand

What the fuck is "cable" bruh?
I been cut that cord

 

[Rollie_Fingaz]

Real good interview with BBD. Mike Bivins talks about the Boys II Men deal (6:01):



I didn't know he almost signed Jodeci.

 

[keone]

Real good interview with BBD. Mike Bivins talks about the Boys II Men deal (6:01):



I didn't know he almost signed Jodeci.

his story alone is a movie. i remember him on the breakfast club few years ago telling his story.he did a lot. people talk about puffy etc but forget him

 

[keone]

Man I got this and that Jackson American Dream head to head......this was incredible. Shit felt like a event. They deserved this shit too. They were modest because all of those pop and r&b groups from Jagged Edge to *NSYNC owes New Edition royalties. Especially New Kids on the Block.

and new edition owes their whole existing to mj and the jackson. all i could hear was mj and the jackson.

movies were great nas movie is next. bet got one

 

[dtownsfinest]

and new edition owes their whole existing to mj and the jackson. all i could hear was mj and the jackson.

movies were great nas movie is next. bet got one

Yeah I mean they were influenced by the Jacksons just like the Jacksons were influenced by the Temptations and James Brown. But make no mistake those cac boy bands of the 90s were influenced by New Edition. They made the blueprint and they followed it to the T.

 

[ThaBurgerPimp]

You see this is exactly why I refused to watch the show in the first place, but looking back, not watching a train wreck doesn't prevent the people in the wreck from getting harmed.
Still it's rough sesing my childhood idols diminished like that.
But, then again I did ask for it.

Wasnt this show done before Whitney performed those "comeback" concerts where she didnt even bother singing..?

 

[keone]

Yeah I mean they were influenced by the Jacksons just like the Jacksons were influenced by the Temptations and James Brown. But make no mistake those cac boy bands of the 90s were influenced by New Edition. They made the blueprint and they followed it to the T.

yeah tahts my point. man f them cacs i waas talking about the black groups. its not a if or maybe they stole it,. but dont forgget new kids on the block were also founded by the same dude who guided new edition. they were basically the white new edition. thats was the whole mission

 

[A to Dah K]

So this is news to me.....anyone ever seen the song credits for My Prerogative?

Credits and personnel[edit]

• Bobby Brown – lead vocals, songwriting, co-production
• Gene Griffin – songwriting, mixing, co-production
• Teddy Riley – background vocals, keyboards, mixing
• Dennis Mitchell – engineering, mixing, recording
• Jim Hanneman – engineering, mixing, recording
• Markell Riley – drum programming
• Aaron Hall – background vocals
• Bernard Belle – background vocals
• Lee Drakeford – background vocals

I always knew Teddy did something on the record because Bobby shouts him out on the record but damn Id din't know Aaron Hall was on the background vocals.

And his bro from wrex n effect om the keys