NBA: Phil Jackson - Melo holds the ball too much that's why the triangle aint work (Lebron flips) UPDATE: Phil writes book

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NEW YORK -- Carmelo Anthony was visibly annoyed when asked about Phil Jackson's assertion that he has a tendency to hold on to the ball too long.

"I don't want to answer those questions," Anthony said after the Knicks' 126-94 loss to the Cleveland Cavaliers on Wednesday night.

Anthony, who is normally affable with the media, maintained a smile but began to walk away from reporters when asked about Jackson's comments before stopping and continuing with questions. He then responded to a query about the timing of the Knicks president's remarks and whether they were productive.

"I don't even know what was said, to be honest with you. I just don't even want to talk about that, what he's talking about exactly. I want to stay away from that at this point," Anthony said. "My focus is my teammates and winning. We've been playing great basketball, and that's the only thing I'm focused on. Whatever Phil said, he said it. I have nothing to say about that."

In an interview with CBS Sports Network that aired Tuesday, Jackson said Anthony can play the "role that Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant played" in their teams' triangle offenses, but he believes Anthony sometimes breaks a team rule by holding on to the ball too long.

"Carmelo a lot of times wants to hold the ball longer than -- we have a rule: If you hold a pass two seconds, you benefit the defense. So he has a little bit of a tendency to hold it for three, four, five seconds, and then everybody comes to a stop," Jackson said. "That is one of the things we work with. But he's adjusted to [the triangle], he knows what he can do, and he's willing to see its success."

Jackson's comments were prompted by a question about whether Anthony can fit in the triangle offense. Jackson made it clear he believes Anthony can.

"He can play that role that Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant played," Jackson said. "It's a perfect spot for him to be in that isolated position on the weak side, because it's an overload offense and there's a weakside man that always has an advantage if the ball is swung."

Jackson's comments about Anthony's tendency to hold on to the ball too long at times have been echoed by others around the NBA. But the president's assessment came as the Knicks had won three straight games and were hours away from winning a fourth straight against the Miami Heat.

Anthony had 35 points to lead the Knicks in the win at Miami on Tuesday.


Coach Jeff Hornacek, stuck in the awkward position between disagreeing with his boss or critiquing his star forward, chose a middle ground when asked about Jackson's comments.

"Yeah, I think there's probably times that happens. But then there's other times when he does what he did last night and just carries us," Hornacek said Wednesday. "It's a fine balance. He's a star player who can really create his own shot from that midrange area. Sometimes we talk about maybe moving the ball and holding it, maybe it's a second or two too long for a normal guy; but for Carmelo, it's fine, because he can make that play."

"We just have to make sure the other guys understand they still should cut, and Carmelo, when we keep going to him at those spots, he'll make passes out of there," Hornacek continued. "That's when we'll become really good. He did it last night. They tried to double him once, and he just threw it right, I think, to Courtney [Lee] for a wide-open 3. He's willing to pass that ball if they come double him. Teams force 4-on-3 opportunities with pick-and-rolls. We just do it with Carmelo."

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NEW YORK -- Carmelo Anthony was visibly annoyed when asked about Phil Jackson's assertion that he has a tendency to hold on to the ball too long.

"I don't want to answer those questions," Anthony said after the Knicks' 126-94 loss to the Cleveland Cavaliers on Wednesday night.

Anthony, who is normally affable with the media, maintained a smile but began to walk away from reporters when asked about Jackson's comments before stopping and continuing with questions. He then responded to a query about the timing of the Knicks president's remarks and whether they were productive.

"I don't even know what was said, to be honest with you. I just don't even want to talk about that, what he's talking about exactly. I want to stay away from that at this point," Anthony said. "My focus is my teammates and winning. We've been playing great basketball, and that's the only thing I'm focused on. Whatever Phil said, he said it. I have nothing to say about that."

In an interview with CBS Sports Network that aired Tuesday, Jackson said Anthony can play the "role that Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant played" in their teams' triangle offenses, but he believes Anthony sometimes breaks a team rule by holding on to the ball too long.

"Carmelo a lot of times wants to hold the ball longer than -- we have a rule: If you hold a pass two seconds, you benefit the defense. So he has a little bit of a tendency to hold it for three, four, five seconds, and then everybody comes to a stop," Jackson said. "That is one of the things we work with. But he's adjusted to [the triangle], he knows what he can do, and he's willing to see its success."

Jackson's comments were prompted by a question about whether Anthony can fit in the triangle offense. Jackson made it clear he believes Anthony can.

"He can play that role that Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant played," Jackson said. "It's a perfect spot for him to be in that isolated position on the weak side, because it's an overload offense and there's a weakside man that always has an advantage if the ball is swung."

Jackson's comments about Anthony's tendency to hold on to the ball too long at times have been echoed by others around the NBA. But the president's assessment came as the Knicks had won three straight games and were hours away from winning a fourth straight against the Miami Heat.

Anthony had 35 points to lead the Knicks in the win at Miami on Tuesday.


Coach Jeff Hornacek, stuck in the awkward position between disagreeing with his boss or critiquing his star forward, chose a middle ground when asked about Jackson's comments.

"Yeah, I think there's probably times that happens. But then there's other times when he does what he did last night and just carries us," Hornacek said Wednesday. "It's a fine balance. He's a star player who can really create his own shot from that midrange area. Sometimes we talk about maybe moving the ball and holding it, maybe it's a second or two too long for a normal guy; but for Carmelo, it's fine, because he can make that play."

"We just have to make sure the other guys understand they still should cut, and Carmelo, when we keep going to him at those spots, he'll make passes out of there," Hornacek continued. "That's when we'll become really good. He did it last night. They tried to double him once, and he just threw it right, I think, to Courtney [Lee] for a wide-open 3. He's willing to pass that ball if they come double him. Teams force 4-on-3 opportunities with pick-and-rolls. We just do it with Carmelo."

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Coming from the man who coached Kobe.
2 second rule?
Yea aight
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Hate to see Melo mismanaged like this in the latter part of his career.

He should forget about NY, they don't respect him there, and use his no trade clause as a veto to only go to the team he approves of.
 
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Coming from the man who coached Kobe.
2 second rule?
Yea aight
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I told you he need to go...

and you should HEAR how these white folks STILL defending Phil for BOTH of these comments...

talking like Phil marched with Malcolm AND Martin

now THIS is a great podcast topic
 
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:roflmao::roflmao2::lol2:That was a big FUCK YOU to Phil and the Knicks.

BTW...Phil Jackson is being exposed. Phil has ALWAYS had a dominant player to win all those championships. Without Jordon, Shaq, or Kobe, Phil would just be another washed up weirdo coach.

Phil is stealing money from the Knicks.
 
Hate to see Melo mismanaged like this in the latter part of his career.

He should forget about NY, they don't respect him there, and use his no trade clause as a veto to only go to the team he approves of.
Cmon son. Mello is an over-rated bum. Every superstar nigga in the league has managed to lead their teams at least to the playoffs. Melo ain't done anything. He doesn't make players around him better. All he does is take mad shots. He's the worst so called superstar on the planet.
 
Melo been a black hole his entire career. What's the surprise? Angles can't coach so he's not in the position he'd like to be in to actually try and modify Melo's game. ie: at practice. Anyway that triangle shit is way overblown. Not one got damn body thinks about a triangle when you say Jordan, Pippen, Shaq, Kobe. Ain't no fucking triangle in that equation. Remember: they call Angles the Zen Master for a reason. He's just fuckin' with y'all with this triangle shit. More to the point he's tryna fuck with Melo.
 
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Melo been a black hole his entire career. What's the surprise? Angles can't coach so he's not in the position he'd like to be in to actually try and modify Melo's game. ie: at practice. Anyway that triangle shit is way overblown. Not one got damn body thinks about a triangle when you say Jordan, Pippen, Shaq, Kobe. Ain't no fucking triangle in that equation. Remember: they call Angles the Zen Master for a reason. He's just fuckin' with y'all with this triangle shit. More to the point he's tryna fuck with Melo.

THIS i agree with 100%
 
http://www.newsday.com/sports/baske...g-carmelo-anthony-and-lebron-james-1.12750227
Tyson Chandler not surprised by Phil Jackson irking Carmelo Anthony and LeBron James

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PHOENIX — Former Knick Tyson Chandler said he had only two conversations with team president Phil Jackson.

“The day he came and the day I was leaving,” Chandler said. “Both were short, brief. I don’t know him. I don’t have anything to say about him either way.

Jackson was hired late in March 2014, and traded Chandler to Dallas that June for Jose Calderon, Samuel Dalembert, Shane Larkin, Wayne Ellington and two second-round picks. The deal didn’t net much but Calderon was eventually moved for Derrick Rose.

Chandler is from Southern California, so seeing how Jackson has irritated LeBron James and upset Carmelo Anthony with recent comments hasn’t surprised him.

“Honestly, I don’t think it’s anything new,” Chandler said. “I grew up in L.A. I remember reading clips about Phil and Kobe [Bryant] and Shaq [O’Neal], and this and that. It is what it is. You’re in New York, so it’s different.”


But Chandler said those things can inspire players, especially on opposing teams.


“Can it motivate LeBron on the opposite side? Hell yeah,” Chandler said. “We have 82 games. Anything that’s going to fire you up, you take it.”

Chandler had a monster 23 rebounds, nine on the offensive glass, and 13 points in Tuesday night’s 113-111 Suns overtime victory. He was Defensive Player of the Year and made his only All-Star team as a Knick. He also played on their last playoff team in 2012-13, and likes the Knicks’ potential now.

“I like their roster,” Chandler said. “I think they got great heart, great talent, great young players. I think the franchise is in good hands, especially with [Kristaps] Porzingis. I thought they did a good job with mixing the vets around him to help him out.

“Melo is still Melo. Score the ball. I think he’s one of the best players in our league. Derrick Rose is looking like Derrick Rose. Not that I felt like he ever left, but he was battling through some injuries.”
 
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http://www.newsday.com/sports/baske...andling-of-phil-jackson-s-comments-1.12739424

Metta World Peace impressed with Carmelo Anthony’s handling of Phil Jackson’s comments


LOS ANGELES — Metta World Peace has been keeping a close eye on the Knicks and what’s been going on between Phil Jackson and Carmelo Anthony. It’s brought up some memories for World Peace when he and Jackson “had clashes” at practice.

World Peace said that when Jackson would say things to get under his skin during Lakers practice, he would scream profanities at the coach, who didn’t care. World Peace was impressed with how Anthony has handled this situation.


“Phil’s going to push you,” World Peace said before his Lakers faced the Knicks on Sunday night. “He’s going to see where your mind’s at. And Melo responded well. I’ve seen the comments. I like the fact that Melo didn’t back down. I like the fact that Melo did have some competitive comments and he went back at Phil. So it reminded me of when Kobe [Bryant] went back at Phil.”

Anthony said Saturday that he and Bryant have had “countless conversations” about Jackson, who essentially said Anthony can be a ball-stopper in an interview with CBS Sports Network that aired Tuesday.

Anthony posted two things on Instagram and Twitter that were directed at the Knicks’ president. He said the Knicks don’t need “any negativity” and didn’t like that “a temporary black cloud” was over them.

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Jackson approached Anthony before practice Saturday and Anthony said they cleared the air. Anthony said he asked Jackson why he’s always talking about him, and later told reporters that his boss has “got to be careful with the choice of words that he uses.”



World Peace, 37, a Queens native and former St. John’s star who played for the Knicks in 2013-14, said he likes what he sees from them.

“Melo said, ‘We’re going to stick here and be with the team. We’re not listening to anything on the outside,’ ” World Peace said. “That was great. That was great, man. And that’s what the Garden needs, man. They need that controversy. They need it, man.

“When I was there, everybody was so tense. They need that little shake-up. And they’re playing well. They started out rough, and now they’re playing well. And Melo responded and he’s playing the right way. He’s playing much better.”

World Peace, who was on the Lakers’ 2010 NBA championship team, said tension can be good. He said Jackson thrives on it and likes it when players are angered by his comments.


“When something’s wrong, you just address it,” he said. “And Phil’s not going to hold punches. And I think it’s great . . . He [doesn’t care]. That’s what he wants. He wants that.”


It’s not only Anthony whom Jackson has upset recently. He also drew the ire of LeBron James for calling his friends and business associates “a posse” in an interview with ESPN.com.

Lakers coach Luke Walton, a two-time champion playing under Jackson, hasn’t been surprised by any of this.

“He’s been saying stuff that gets people upset since I’ve known him,” Walton said. “It doesn’t surprise me. I wish I knew. Phil’s a unique individual that does a lot of things people don’t understand, but he normally has a pretty good reason and purpose behind stuff.

“A lot of times I don’t understand why [he says things]. But most of the controversy, we normally came out, played better, harder, and won games. So he’s got his own technique on how he does things. But most of the time, in my experience with him, it normally works out.’’

The difference is that Jackson was a coach then, and now he’s the president of the team. World Peace said that doesn’t matter.



“He don’t care,” he said. “He does what he wants. He gets the big bucks and says what he wants to say. That’s why he gets the big bucks. He’s the boss, at the end of the day. He can say whatever the hell he want to say. Who is running the show?”

World Peace then was told Anthony has a no-trade clause in his contract.

“Then they’re both running the show,” he said. “So hey, it is what it is.”
 
Cmon son. Mello is an over-rated bum. Every superstar nigga in the league has managed to lead their teams at least to the playoffs. Melo ain't done anything. He doesn't make players around him better. All he does is take mad shots. He's the worst so called superstar on the planet.

And Phil Jackson is the most overrated coach on the planet. Take away Michael, Scottie, Shaq and Kobe and how many titles does he win? He was both a mediocre player and coach.
 
And Phil Jackson is the most overrated coach on the planet. Take away Michael, Scottie, Shaq and Kobe and how many titles does he win? He was both a mediocre player and coach.
I would venture to say that Steve Kerr is a strong contender for the title.
 
Melo been a black hole his entire career. What's the surprise? Angles can't coach so he's not in the position he'd like to be in to actually try and modify Melo's game. ie: at practice. Anyway that triangle shit is way overblown. Not one got damn body thinks about a triangle when you say Jordan, Pippen, Shaq, Kobe. Ain't no fucking triangle in that equation. Remember: they call Angles the Zen Master for a reason. He's just fuckin' with y'all with this triangle shit. More to the point he's tryna fuck with Melo.
Yea, ain't nobody thinking triangle with those guys. But, you have to remember, the triangle worked just as well with Tony Kukoc in the lineup and Pau Gasol on the floor. You have to give him credit.

I mean, Scott Brooks couldn't win it all with Durant/Harden/Westbrook/Ibaka.....#coachingmatters
 
Yea, ain't nobody thinking triangle with those guys. But, you have to remember, the triangle worked just as well with Tony Kukoc in the lineup and Pau Gasol on the floor. You have to give him credit.

I mean, Scott Brooks couldn't win it all with Durant/Harden/Westbrook/Ibaka.....#coachingmatters

You have a point there. I think most people (not saying you) don't understand the triangle. It's really just spacing. Let's be real, the oldest play in B-Ball is the back door. Next, pick and roll. After those two and maybe the 2 man game all offenses start to blur, there are really no clear-cut, stand-alone systems. So to your last point, coaching does matter a lot because you've gotta figure out what these guys do best, make them understand their role, accept their role and execute. Whatever system you run you have to get the guys who fit in that system. The great coaches change their systems to fit their personnel (Pop) and I don't think Angles has done that and to me, right now, the Knicks only have half the guys to run the triangle. That's 2, 3 years they're trying to learn it and when he's gone they're back to square one. You're not going to get enough guys in here to run it before he goes. That's my criticism of him. He should know that and modify his approach.

But also Kukoc and Gasol had a lot more help then KP. Pooh, Melo and Jo are tricky. You need that veteran presence but all of them are clearly done. Man, if they could have gotten CP3 with KP they would win 45 easy. That's what it's going to take moving forward, an all-pro 1 and sit or move those three.

Please, please, please santa DO NOT sign Pooh to a LT contract.
 
You have a point there. I think most people (not saying you) don't understand the triangle. It's really just spacing. Let's be real, the oldest play in B-Ball is the back door. Next, pick and roll. After those two and maybe the 2 man game all offenses start to blur, there are really no clear-cut, stand-alone systems. So to your last point, coaching does matter a lot because you've gotta figure out what these guys do best, make them understand their role, accept their role and execute. Whatever system you run you have to get the guys who fit in that system. The great coaches change their systems to fit their personnel (Pop) and I don't think Angles has done that and to me, right now, the Knicks only have half the guys to run the triangle. That's 2, 3 years they're trying to learn it and when he's gone they're back to square one. You're not going to get enough guys in here to run it before he goes. That's my criticism of him. He should know that and modify his approach.

But also Kukoc and Gasol had a lot more help then KP. Pooh, Melo and Jo are tricky. You need that veteran presence but all of them are clearly done. Man, if they could have gotten CP3 with KP they would win 45 easy. That's what it's going to take moving forward, an all-pro 1 and sit or move those three.

Please, please, please santa DO NOT sign Pooh to a LT contract.
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Dear Santa!:roflmao2::roflmao3:
 
Jackson said Melo holds the ball too long... oh no! Boo hoo... that's some sensitive ass shit to get mad lmao. Who the fuck doesn't know Melo is a ball dominant scorer who holds the ball whether it's to make a move, shoot or pass? Maybe it would help his game out if he passed a little quicker and moved a little more without the ball in his hands.
 
http://nypost.com/2017/01/15/carmelo-anthony-if-phil-jackson-wants-me-gone-lets-talk/

Carmelo Anthony: If Phil Jackson wants me gone, let’s talk
By Marc Berman

January 15, 2017 | 7:56pm | Updated

TORONTO — Carmelo Anthony has no proof Knicks president Phil Jackson wants him gone, but if Jackson does, the Knicks star said he’s willing to talk to the Zen Master about his feelings.

After another horrendous loss, 116-101 to the Raptors at Air Canada Centre on Sunday, which placed the Knicks at 18-23 at the season’s midpoint, Anthony indicated he doesn’t want to be a Knick if Jackson doesn’t want him.

The subject arose when Anthony was asked after the defeat about a recent scathing column written by Charley Rosen, one of Jackson’s confidants whom Anthony has met several times.

In the piece for FanRag Sports, Rosen alleged Anthony’s “legs are going, going gone’’ and wrote the bombshell: “The only sure thing is that Carmelo Anthony has outlived his usefulness in New York.”

Anthony hardly discounted the possibility Rosen’s views had Jackson’s fingerprints on them.


“If that’s the case, if that’s where it’s coming from, that side, I guess it’s a conversation we should have,’’ Anthony said. “If they feel my time in New York is over, I guess that’s a conversation we should have.”

Knicks brass has not conveyed that to Anthony, who last February appeared to hedge on his future in New York, saying he would soon discuss it with his management team.

However, Anthony said he hasn’t “even thought about’’ waiving his no-trade clause that once again has become a fan and media topic in the last few days, as the Knicks have lost 10 of their last 12.

Jackson’s most recent public appearance came last month when he read from one of Rosen’s books at the Brooklyn Public Library as part of Rosen’s publisher’s anniversary party.


“Listen, if that’s how they feel, if that’s coming from that side, then that’s what’s coming from that side,’’ Anthony said. “I haven’t thought once about that. I hear it, hear all the rhetoric going on out there. I still come to work every day, play and bust my ass and try not to worry about it.’’

In an email to The Post, Rosen said the piece “was totally my opinion — I’ve never spoke to Phil about this.’’

Jackson’s most recent public comment on Anthony concerned his style as a ball-stopper who can disrupt the flow of a triangle offense — which was a nicer description than how Rosen put it in Thursday’s piece.

“As ever, he’s still a dangerous scorer but resists any offensive game plan that limits his one-on-one adventures,” Rosen wrote.

Anthony said he’s aware the Knicks’ recent crash, along with Kristaps Porzingis’ lingering Achilles tendinitis, has led some to wonder whether Jackson should attempt to blow up the team and start again.

“They want me out?’’ Anthony said. “People can have their own opinion, but I haven’t spoken about it. I haven’t mentioned it, not once. That’s been the trend when you start losing.’’

When the club is in a tailspin, Anthony said, he’s always pegged as the culprit.

“I think I posted that the other day,’’ Anthony said. “When we lose, it’s me. When we win, it’s us. That’s how I feel. It is what it is.”

After not making the playoffs three straight years, the Knicks, at midseason, are on pace for a 36-win season.

“It’s a disappointment, but what can we do other than try to change it at this point?’’ Anthony said.

The Knicks face the Hawks on Monday in their Martin Luther King Day matinee, and Anthony senses desperation.

“I don’t feel like the season is slipping away, but it doesn’t feel like an average slump either, because we’re much better than what we’re putting out on the court,’’ he said.

indicated a lineup change may be considered as the bench, led by Ron Baker, cut the deficit to 14 in the fourth quarter. Starting shooting guard Courtney Lee admitted the bench group is playing with more energy than the starters.

“Everyone has their own assessment and opinions and you have to respect that,’’ Anthony said. “Courtney is a starter on this team. That’s the issue for what he feels like is happening. We have to step up to the plate, change our focus and change our energy, and we have to answer that. If that is what he said, then I agree with him. He’s a starter on this team for a reason and one of the leaders on this team. If he sees something, we have to follow that lead.’’
 
Shaquille O’Neal says Knicks’ bad habits damage the triangle
March 21, 2017 3:39 PM
By Al Iannazzone al.iannazzone@newsday.com


SALT LAKE CITY — Shaquille O’Neal believes in Phil Jackson and the triangle offense, and he said neither has been successful with the Knicks because “guys are stubborn” and are being ball stoppers.

O’Neal won three NBA championships playing for Jackson with the Lakers and in the triangle. He fully supports the system — something he says the Knicks’ main players don’t.


“When you’re a player and you’re used to doing something one way and then you bring in the system, a lot of guys don’t like to give up their habits,” O’Neal said after serving as a TNT analyst for the Knicks’ loss Monday night in Los Angeles to the Clippers. “With the triangle, the ball can’t stop.

“If you look at how the [Knicks’] second team runs the triangle, guys that don’t have a lot of experience in the game or have a lot of habits, they run with a lot of force. There, late in the fourth quarter, they got a couple of back-door plays. It definitely does work.”

O’Neal didn’t mention anyone by name, but Carmelo Anthony and Derrick Rose frequently stop the ball from moving. Yet O’Neal thought Jackson assembled a playoff team by adding Rose and Joakim Noah to the nucleus led by Anthony and Kristaps Porzingis. It hasn’t gone the way anyone expected.

“When Phil put this team together, I said, ‘OK, it’s going to work if they embrace the triangle,’ ” O’Neal said. “I liked it. But again, the ball can never stop in the triangle.”

The Basketball Hall of Famer speaks from experience. He said he was “probably one of the main problems” when Jackson became Lakers coach because he didn’t want to change. But then O’Neal did. He said “it opened it up for me. It also made things easier for me.”

Things haven’t been easy for Jackson. An 11-time NBA champion as a coach, Jackson is 76-158 in three full seasons as Knicks president, and his system is regularly being panned. But O’Neal thinks Jackson will turn the Knicks around, and that he’s holding up fine amid the losing.

“He’s not used to it,” O’Neal said. “He’s definitely taking a beating. Definitely going to have to make some changes this summer, but he’s a strong guy. You’re not going to really hurt his feelings.”

And O’Neal doesn’t believe this has hurt Jackson’s legacy.

“I don’t think it does,” he said. “Just another chapter in his life, just another challenge in his life. When you’re dealing with certain people everybody has to be on the same page.”

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O’Neal wouldn’t say Jackson has to coach for the Knicks to be successful, adding “I don’t want to disrespect [Jeff] Hornacek.” But O’Neal said assistant coach Tex Winter, who was the innovator of the triangle and brought it to Jackson, did most of the talking. O’Neal said Knicks associate head coach Kurt Rambis is “very knowledgeable” and suggested he could play Winter’s role with the Knicks.

O’Neal also tried dispelling the popular opinion that the triangle only works if Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen, O’Neal and Kobe Bryant run it. He gave credit to the role players who helped the Lakers capture three straight titles.

“You always hear people say, of course the triangle worked with Mike and Scottie, Shaq and Kobe, which is true,” O’Neal said. “But if you look at all our games it was the others that propelled us to that next level.

“I have three championships because of the triangle and also because of Derek Fisher, Big Shot Bob [Robert Horry], Rick Fox, guys that because of the triangle were able to be involved in the offense. When you’ve got a guy that holds the ball, nobody is really involved, everything is out of whack.”

http://www.newsday.com/sports/baske...cks-bad-habits-damage-the-triangle-1.13297058
 
Jeff Hornacek: We're Going To Keep Doing This Stupid Thing That Makes No Sense


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Anything good that is ever created inside Madison Square Garden will eventually be dragged down 34th Street and dumped into the Hudson River, where it will somehow catch on fire. Remember when the Knicks were feisty and it was fun to sit around talking about how great Kristaps Porzingis was? That feels like 100 years ago.


One thing for Knicks fans to feel good about heading into this season was the presence of head coach Jeff Hornacek. He got the job over Kurt Rambis, who really sucks, and was empowered to run his own offense, albeit one that was supposed to blend in some concepts from the triangle in a vague way. These developments gave Knicks fans hope that maybe team president Phil Jackson wasn’t in fact a total moron hellbent on destroying the Knicks by insisting that they adhere to his archaic basketball philosophies.

Well, you can toss Hornacek in the river now, too. While speaking to reporters yesterday, the coach, sounding something like a member of the Bloc of Rightists and Trotskyists confessing to deviationism, said that it was a mistake for him to try and mix a more up-tempo offense with the triangle at the beginning of this year, and that next season the Knicks will exclusively run the triangle offense. From ESPN:

“Obviously, if we go into it like we did this year — no,” Hornacek told reporters in Utah when asked if the Rose-Anthony-Porzingis trio can be playoff caliber. “If we turn around and have a different way we start, go right at however we’re going to run it next year, if it’s full triangle, it’s possible. You never know how these things will fit. Maybe a second year is helpful for us.”

What exactly this means—what a full triangle is—is as unclear as ever. Does he mean that the Knicks are going to, like, pass the ball more? Run the ball through a dominant low-post presence? Snag a pair of cinch Hall of Famers, one of them a dominant low-post presence, and have them try to create space for shooters to whom they’ll pass the ball? Have a guy in a Tex Winter mask heckle the team during practices? Who knows? Whatever the case, this is something Jackson started making noise about weeks ago, and now it appears that Hornacek is fully on board with his boss’ self-defeating plan to build a team around a system rather than a system around a team. Have a good offseason, Knicks fans.

http://deadspin.com/jeff-hornacek-were-going-to-keep-doing-this-stupid-thi-1793569068

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...ek-reiterates-commitment-triangle-next-season
 
Carmelo Anthony wishes Jeff Hornacek had stood strong
By Marc Berman

March 23, 2017 | 12:41pm | Updated

http://nypost.com/2017/03/23/carmelo-anthony-wishes-jeff-hornacek-had-stood-strong/



PORTLAND, Ore. — As every Knick tries to find a reason for the team’s collapse after Christmas, Carmelo Anthony added to the discussion, questioning the flipping back and forth from Jeff Hornacek’s speedy, modern offense to Phil Jackson’s moderately paced triangle.

It’s no shocker Anthony indicated he was liking the up-tempo “early offense’’ that Hornacek carried with him from Phoenix and president Jackson accepted upon Hornacek’s unforseen hire. The plan – now foiled – was to blend the two attacks in what Hornacek termed in training camp as “triangle aspects.’’

In the week leading into the All-Star break, the order came down from above to reemphasize the triangle, and Anthony now says it was “hard to readjust a whole system on the fly.”

After their fourth-quarter flop Wednesday night in Utah, Anthony — who rested his sore left knee and did not play Thursday night against the Warriors, the second half of a back-to-back — declined to acknowledge next season’s training camp, perhaps because he doesn’t know which team’s training camp he’ll be a part of.

Hornacek had alluded to training camp at the Wednesday morning shootaround, suggesting the Big 3 – Anthony, Derrick Rose, Kristaps Porzingis – can lead a team into the playoffs only if the trio changes and buys into the pass-cut-read-react triangle system. None of the three is known for his passing ability.

Hornacek says he regrets throwing too much at his players last training camp, and Anthony seems to regret the flip-flopping on offense as his Knicks tenure looks like it could be entering its final 11 games with the Trail Blazers on tap Thursday night.

“I think everybody was trying to figure everything out, what was going to work, what wasn’t going to work,’’ Anthony said in the locker room at the former Delta Center. “Early in the season, we were winning games, went on a little winning streak we had. We were playing a certain way. We went away from that, started playing another way. Everybody was trying to figure out: Should we go back to the way we were playing, or try to do something different?’’



Anthony suggested he liked the Hornacek way.

“I thought earlier we were playing faster and more free-flow throughout the course of the game,’’ Anthony said. “We kind of slowed down, started settling it down. Not as fast. The pace slowed down for us — something we had to make an adjustment on the fly with limited practice time, in the course of a game. Once you get into the season, it’s hard to readjust a whole system.’’

The first-year Knicks coach won’t disagree, but as a good company man, he does as told. Jackson encouraged Hornacek to go back to his system, underscoring that it could help the team’s shoddy transition defense because of its two-guard front.

The Knicks stand at 27-44 after losing the first two games of their West Coast trip. In a telling tweet, Anthony’s wife, La La, posted a picture of their son Kiyan at a game with the message: “There’s ALWAYS something to smile about.’’
 
Fuck Phil Jackson and MOTHERFUCK his fucking trapezoid offense.

I got two questions for Big Chief Rhombus.

Number one, does ANY other successful team in the NBA run this bitchass offense that you are so convinced is the key to winning?

Number two, has it ever dawned on you that the success of your quadrilateral offense might've had something to do with fucking MICHAEL JORDAN and KOBE BRYANT?!?!

Hey Shit For Brains, your octagon offense worked because you had the best player in the league when you were coaching.
 
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