The Thing All Women Do That You Don’t Know About

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The Thing All Women Do That You Don’t Know About

There’s this thing that happens whenever I speak about or write about women’s issues. Things like dress codes, rape culture and sexism. I get the comments: Aren’t there more important things to worry about? Is this really that big of a deal? Aren’t you being overly sensitive? Are you sure you’re being rational about this?

Every. Single. Time.


And every single time I get frustrated. Why don’t they get it?

I think I’ve figured out why.

They don’t know.

They don’t know about de-escalation. Minimizing. Quietly acquiescing.

Hell, even though women live it, we are not always aware of it. But we have all done it.

We have all learned, either by instinct or by trial and error, how to minimize a situation that makes us uncomfortable. How to avoid angering a man or endangering ourselves. We have all, on many occasions, ignored an offensive comment. We’ve all laughed off an inappropriate come-on. We’ve all swallowed our anger when being belittled or condescended to.

It doesn’t feel good. It feels icky. Dirty. But we do it because to not do it could put us in danger or get us fired or labeled a bitch. So we usually take the path of least precariousness.

It’s not something we talk about every day. We don’t tell our boyfriends and husbands and friends every time it happens. Because it is so frequent, so pervasive, that it has become something we just deal with.

So maybe they don’t know.

Maybe they don’t know that at the tender age of 13 we had to brush off adult men staring at our breasts. Maybe they don’t know that men our dad’s age actually came on to us while we were working the cash register. They probably don’t know that the guy in English class who asked us out sent angry messages just because we turned him down. They may not be aware that our supervisor regularly pats us on the ass. And they surely don’t know that most of the time we smile, with gritted teeth. That we look away or pretend not to notice. They likely have no idea how often these things happen. That these things have become routine. So expected that we hardly notice it anymore.

So routine that we go through the motions of ignoring it and minimizing.

Not showing our suppressed anger and fear and frustration. A quick cursory smile or a clipped laugh will allow us to continue with our day. We de-escalate. We minimize it. Both internally and externally, we minimize it. We have to. To not shrug it off would put is in confrontation mode more often than most of us feel like dealing with.

We learn at a young age how to do this. We didn’t put a name or label to it. We didn’t even consider that other girls were doing the same thing. But we were teaching ourselves, mastering the art of de-escalation. Learning by way of observation and quick risk assessment what our reactions should and shouldn’t be.

We go through a quick mental checklist. Does he seem volatile, angry? Are there other people around? Does he seem reasonable and is just trying to be funny, albeit clueless? Will saying something impact my school/job/reputation? In a matter of seconds we determine whether we will say something or let it slide. Whether we’ll call him out or turn the other way, smile politely or pretend that we didn’t hear/see/feel it.

It happens all the time. And it’s not always clear if the situation is dangerous or benign.

It is the boss who says or does something inappropriate. It is the customer who holds our tip out of reach until we lean over to hug him. It’s the male friend who has had too much to drink and tries to corner us for a “friends with benefits” moment even though we’ve made it clear we’re not interested. It’s the guy who gets angry if we turn him down for a date. Or a dance. Or a drink.

We see it happen to our friends. We see it happen in so many scenarios and instances that it becomes the norm. And we really don’t think anything of it. Until that one time that came close to being a dangerous situation. Until we hear that the “friend” who cornered us was accused of rape a day later. Until our boss makes good on his promise to kiss us on New Years Eve when he catches us alone in the kitchen. Those times stick out. They’re the ones we may tell your friends, our boyfriends, our husbands about.

But all the other times?
All the times we felt uneasy or nervous but nothing more happened? Those times we just go about our business and don’t think twice about.

It’s the reality of being a woman in our world.

It’s laughing off sexism because we felt we had no other option.

It’s feeling sick to your stomach that we had to “play along” to get along.

It’s feeling shame and regret the we didn’t call that guy out, the one who seemed intimidating but in hindsight was probably harmless. Probably.

It’s taking our phone out, finger poised over the “Call” button when we’re walking alone at night.

It’s positioning our keys between our fingers in case we need a weapon when walking to our car.

It’s lying and saying we have a boyfriend just so a guy would take “No” for an answer.

It’s being at a crowded bar/concert/insert any crowded event, and having to turn around to look for the jerk who just grabbed our ass.

It’s knowing that even if we spot him, we might not say anything.

It’s walking through the parking lot of a big box store and politely saying Hello when a guy passing us says Hi. It’s pretending not to hear as he berates us for not stopping to talk further. What? You too good to talk to me? You got a problem? Pffft... bitch.

It’s not telling our friends or our parents or our husbands because it’s just a matter of fact, a part of our lives.

It’s the memory that haunts us of that time we were abused, assaulted or raped.

It’s the stories our friends tell us through heartbreaking tears of that time they were abused, assaulted or raped.

It’s realizing that the dangers we perceive every time we have to choose to confront these situations aren’t in our imagination. Because we know too many women who have been abused, assaulted or raped.

It occurred to me recently that a lot of guys may be unaware of this. They have heard of things that happened, they have probably at times seen it and stepped in to stop it. But they likely have no idea how often it happens. That it colors much of what we say or do and how we do it.

Maybe we need to explain it better. Maybe we need to stop ignoring it ourselves, minimizing it in our own minds.

The guys that shrug off or tune out when a woman talks about sexism in our culture? They’re not bad guys. They just haven’t lived our reality. And we don’t really talk about the everyday stuff that we witness and experience. So how could they know?

So, maybe the good men in our lives have no idea that we deal with this stuff on a regular basis.

Maybe it is so much our norm that it didn’t occur to us that we would have to tell them.

It occurred to me that they don’t know the scope of it and they don’t always understand that this is our reality. So, yeah, when I get fired up about a comment someone makes about a girl’s tight dress, they don’t always get it. When I get worked up over the every day sexism I’m seeing and witnessing and watching... when I’m hearing of the things my daughter and her friends are experiencing... they don’t realize it’s the tiny tip of a much bigger iceberg.

Maybe I’m realizing that men can’t be expected to understand how pervasive everyday sexism is if we don’t start telling them and pointing to it when it happens. Maybe I’m starting to realize that men have no idea that even walking into a store women have to be on guard. We have to be aware, subconsciously, of our surroundings and any perceived threats.

Maybe I’m starting to realize that just shrugging it off and not making a big deal about it is not going to help anyone.

We de-escalate.

We are acutely aware of our vulnerability. Aware that if he wanted to, that guy in the Home Depot parking lot could overpower us and do whatever he wants.

Guys, this is what it means to be a woman.


We are sexualized before we even understand what that means. We develop into women while our minds are still innocent. We get stares and comments before we can even drive. From adult men. We feel uncomfortable but don’t know what to do, so we go about our lives. We learn at an early age, that to confront every situation that makes us squirm is to possibly put ourselves in danger. We are aware that we are the smaller, physically weaker sex. That boys and men are capable of overpowering us if they choose to. So we minimize and we de-escalate.

So, the next time a woman talks about being cat-called and how it makes her uncomfortable, don’t dismiss her. Listen.

The next time your wife complains about being called “Sweetheart” at work, don’t shrug in apathy. Listen.

The next time you read about or hear a woman call out sexist language, don’t belittle her for doing so. Listen.

The next time your girlfriend tells you that the way a guy talked to her made her feel uncomfortable, don’t shrug it off. Listen.

Listen because your reality is not the same as hers.

Listen because her concerns are valid and not exaggerated or inflated.

Listen because the reality is that she or someone she knows personally has at some point been abused, assaulted, or raped. And she knows that it’s always a danger of happening to her.

Listen because even a simple comment from a strange man can send ripples of fear through her.

Listen because she may be trying to make her experience not be the experience of her daughters.

Listen because nothing bad can ever come from listening.

Just. Listen.
 
Okay, this is basically a whole bunch of complaining about women not being able to do whatever they want. I wish the world was perfect, but its not. Until we get there, women need to understand that necessary precautions have to be taken to protect themselves. Everyone is fighting a battle, not just women. It's gotten to the point where you can't even say hi to a women anymore without her thinking you're "sexualizing" her. Apparently they like it better when you pretend you're not sexualizing her, but then sexualize her after you get to know her better.
 
Well...........cool to think about the women. But this is kinda the kkk board for such a thing.
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Well...........cool to think about the women. But this is kinda the kkk board for such a thing.

Of course, some women whine and make up sexism where it doesn't exist. But the outright dismissal reminds me of the white people who respond to every police shooting by automatically looking for a reason black people are wrong.

Is a 13 year old girl getting ogled by a grown man as soon as she starts growing breasts as bad as what happened to Trayvon Martin? Of course not. Not even close. But the dynamic of not caring because it isn't your problem is the same.
 
Of course, some women whine and make up sexism where it doesn't exist. But the outright dismissal reminds me of the white people who respond to every police shooting by automatically looking for a reason black people are wrong.

Is a 13 year old girl getting ogled by a grown man as soon as she starts growing breasts as bad as what happened to Trayvon Martin? Of course not. Not even close. But the dynamic of not caring because it isn't your problem is the same.

Life sucks.. we know that. I don't really care about grown men looking at mature looking 13 year olds as long as they don't act on it. Honestly, you really can't control what you see and how you process it but you can control what you do. I've seen some really mature 13 year olds and I've looked too but I've never gone there to touch them or say anything to them. I just saw one at Target yesterday evening. I knew she was a child from her demeanor. I do agree that it's totally inappropriate to be like "DAMNNNN LOOK AT THAT ASS" to any woman, regardless of age. You have to evaluate everything before you do it. Apparently you can't even be nice to women anymore because that means you're thirsty. Help a chick out, you're thirsty lol, say hi, you're thirsty.
 
Life sucks.. we know that. I don't really care about grown men looking at mature looking 13 year olds as long as they don't act on it. Honestly, you really can't control what you see and how you process it but you can control what you do. I've seen some really mature 13 year olds and I've looked too but I've never gone there to touch them or say anything to them. I just saw one at Target yesterday evening. I knew she was a child from her demeanor. I do agree that it's totally inappropriate to be like "DAMNNNN LOOK AT THAT ASS" to any woman, regardless of age. You have to evaluate everything before you do it. Apparently you can't even be nice to women anymore because that means you're thirsty. Help a chick out, you're thirsty lol, say hi, you're thirsty.

Isn't it true, though, that "control what you do" includes all of the messages that you send to the rest of the world, especially the young and impressionable?

The average girl at age 13 appears to be the rule-- what we expect a 13 year old girl to look like-- and not the exception. Men are quick to point to that exception as an excuse for all the behavior. I understand someone's age is not always ascertainable at every angle and I'm not condemning everyone who has ever had a thought in that direction. But for a grown man not to be able to progress beyond that and reach a point where his actions aren't communicating to girls that they are sexual objects is unacceptable. In any case, not touching or not verbalizing is not good enough; you don't always have to say something-- We all know a look is sometimes an action. A good and grown person should learn to be disciplined enough to function in a way that is not unnecessarily harming others, children least of all.

Life sucks and it's on each and every one of us to do what we can to make it suck less. At the very least, don't make it suck more.
 
"all women" is an automatic disqualifier.

I have issues with how popular feminism sometimes forgets that there are privileged classes among women, which is where I gather you are coming from, but "all women" is not an automatic disqualifier. There are certainly generalized experiences and feelings that all women share. Do you really think there are women out there who have never felt unsafe walking alone at night? Certainly the overarching thrust of these particularities points to a universal female experience, even if not every instance is a shared one.
 
Of course, some women whine and make up sexism where it doesn't exist. But the outright dismissal reminds me of the white people who respond to every police shooting by automatically looking for a reason black people are wrong.

Is a 13 year old girl getting ogled by a grown man as soon as she starts growing breasts as bad as what happened to Trayvon Martin? Of course not. Not even close. But the dynamic of not caring because it isn't your problem is the same.
Yeah except men don't get to decide what's sexism and what's not. Just as white people don't get to decide what's racist and what's not.
 
Yeah except men don't get to decide what's sexism and what's not. Just as white people don't get to decide what's racist and what's not.

Claims of sexism are not legitimate simply because a woman says so, just as a racial minority saying something is racist doesn't make it so. People of all kinds project and misinterpret. A man has every right to disagree and engage in dialogue on sexism that a woman does, just as people of all races do with racism. And, in all cases, as the article correctly emphasizes, listen. That's how we all learn and grow. Nobody "gets to decide."
 
Yeah....you're not a person to talk about this. I don't remember but i think you've trolled me before. Got me.

LOL-- I've replied to you twice in this thread, once to co-sign you and once to say "Well, I think it's okay for a man to disagree sometimes and it's possible a woman could be wrong." It's insane that you meet that with "you're not a person to talk about this."
 
Isn't it true, though, that "control what you do" includes all of the messages that you send to the rest of the world, especially the young and impressionable?

The average girl at age 13 appears to be the rule-- what we expect a 13 year old girl to look like-- and not the exception. Men are quick to point to that exception as an excuse for all the behavior. I understand someone's age is not always ascertainable at every angle and I'm not condemning everyone who has ever had a thought in that direction. But for a grown man not to be able to progress beyond that and reach a point where his actions aren't communicating to girls that they are sexual objects is unacceptable. In any case, not touching or not verbalizing is not good enough; you don't always have to say something-- We all know a look is sometimes an action. A good and grown person should learn to be disciplined enough to function in a way that is not unnecessarily harming others, children least of all.

Life sucks and it's on each and every one of us to do what we can to make it suck less. At the very least, don't make it suck more.

Well, we're human. We can at least control what we do. Wild animals can't usually do that, hence the message is preached to us around the world. I've said this a bunch of times, just because a girl is wearing a mini skirt doesnt mean she's wearing it for you. So you dont have to right to say useless things to her.
I do agree that looks also do harm, especially to children of that age. I just turned 26 and i can agree that its not that difficult to distinguish between a child and an adult but sometimes a back view without a face will get you for a sec.
Also, something i'd like to add about oggling in relation to the prior post is that...Women need to learn that it's absolutely impossible to wear some provocative and not expect to get looks. Absolutely impossible. The world will never come to that stage. Now, if you want to avoid that, simply stop dressing provocatively. If want people to stop asking me for money, i give them the perception that I'm broke.....
 
This place is for men primarily. This article will help you put yourselves in the shoes of women. Pretty sure all of you have women in your life so I think this is the perfect place.

Props to OP

Thanks. That was my thought in posting it here. I knew there would be resistance but hopefully it will encourage a couple of people to give thought to harm caused without hurtful intent and also harm being done to people around them that they may be oblivious to.
 
Well, we're human. We can at least control what we do. Wild animals can't usually do that, hence the message is preached to us around the world. I've said this a bunch of times, just because a girl is wearing a mini skirt doesnt mean she's wearing it for you. So you dont have to right to say useless things to her.
I do agree that looks also do harm, especially to children of that age. I just turned 26 and i can agree that its not that difficult to distinguish between a child and an adult but sometimes a back view without a face will get you for a sec.

Agreed.

Also, something i'd like to add about oggling in relation to the prior post is that...Women need to learn that it's absolutely impossible to wear some provocative and not expect to get looks. Absolutely impossible. The world will never come to that stage. Now, if you want to avoid that, simply stop dressing provocatively. If want people to stop asking me for money, i give them the perception that I'm broke.....

Some people do that because they are damaged human beings who have only been valued as sex objects since they were teenagers or younger... There are societies on this planet where women are forced to cover themselves because the burden is on the woman not to tempt a man rather than for the man not to be tempted. Ultimately, it is just flesh. It's not always wrong to look but the reference to ogling was in regard to young girls, so to condemn the way women dress in response is just terrible excuse-making and a refusal to attribute responsibility to males. It is never the fault of a 13 year old that she is treated like a sex object. It's easier to blame a 26 year old but, even then, let's keep in mind the way men have been treating her for half of her life. On the whole, this is an issue where it is overwhelmingly on men to get better.
 
Yeah except men don't get to decide what's sexism and what's not. Just as white people don't get to decide what's racist and what's not.
Claims of sexism are not legitimate simply because a woman says so, just as a racial minority saying something is racist doesn't make it so. People of all kinds project and misinterpret. A man has every right to disagree and engage in dialogue on sexism that a woman does, just as people of all races do with racism. And, in all cases, as the article correctly emphasizes, listen. That's how we all learn and grow. Nobody "gets to decide."
Yeah....you're not a person to talk about this. I don't remember but i think you've trolled me before. Got me.
LOL-- I've replied to you twice in this thread, once to co-sign you and once to say "Well, I think it's okay for a man to disagree sometimes and it's possible a woman could be wrong." It's insane that you meet that with "you're not a person to talk about this."
Unh huh...and to say whites can do whatever. No. Nope. They cannot. Only a troll or a white would say such a thing. Hmm. Like i said. You got me. Making sure this doesnt happen again.

I didn't say "whites can do whatever."

I said so-called victim groups, gender, racial, or otherwise, can't just shut people from oppressor groups out of the conversation. To say a woman is always right and a man is always wrong or a black person is always right and a white person is always wrong is simple-minded and absurd. It's also just logically impossible since there are women who would dismiss another woman's charges of sexism and defend an accused man as correct, just as there have been cases where a black person said racism was the reason for something and another black person offers another rationale.

What I said is NOBODY GETS TO DECIDE. Nobody gets to shut anybody else out of the conversation. We should all be listening to one another.
 
Once you became a father of a daughter, your viewpoint changes forever.

If it were that easy, most grown men wouldn't be as oblivious and terrible as they are.

Republicans who have stood by Trump, the most blatantly disrespectful politician ever toward women and someone who said women who have abortions should be punished, used that as an excuse a lot this past week to separate themselves from his comments. Mothers were a convenient validator in the past, as if every rapist doesn't have a mother.

Having a baby girl is no cure-all. I have no kids and Howard Stern has only daughters. Trump has daughters. Being a father, by itself, means nothing in the grand scheme of how men treat women across the world.





“You don’t have to be a husband or a father to hear what we heard just a few days ago and say that’s not right,” Obama said. “You just have to be a decent human being.” http://time.com/4527343/president-obama-donald-trump-campaign-event/
 
Ok,I understand your point,but how the hell would I even meet a woman or ever get pussy if I cant even speak to her.
Another thing is the woman are hyppcrites as well,cause if it was Puffy or Shemar Moore they could grab your ass make comments and some would love it,but if it was Leroy the plumber did or say the same shit it would be sexuall assalt.

Not to mention some women dont even consider you manly if you aint all up on it.I Personally know chicks who love when a nigga be like "whoa baby that ass fat"or just pull they dick out an show them the size.This is actuall words out a bitch mouth,Big fat ass bitch I used to fuck(Posted a few pics on here with that pussy busted out and nutted on,on bgol) she tell me it aint no prob as long as he got a big dick,if it was small how dare he waste her time.

Women need to be respected but as a single black male who loves females and loves dirty kinky sex with bitches I shouldnt have to feel like a creep just for hollerin at a bitch,its bad enough that in the western world males have to do all the work anyway.thats why i like south and central america bitches...dont play so much games..if they wanna fuck they fuckin ,no waiting no bs. I even had to turn girls down cause they wernt my type,then they had nerve to ask if I was gay,or one Colombian said I aint like black girls..was heated when she saw me next week with a bad lil bitch from Bocas del Toro.Dem bitches cant take rejection lol
 
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