As Narrated by the one and only, Stephen A. Smith 
...'It is impossible for LeBron to surpass Jordan'... According to one of his closest friends...
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Thats the context he was talking about...
Hate Stephen A Smith but he's absolutely right.
Greatness is subjective right?
I think both are great in their own right.
I'm not sure if either is better than the other. Different players. Different mind sets. I'd take either one as my first pick based on career.
I don't think what Jordan did against the Celtics when we dropped 60 is no better than what Bron did to the Pistons.
I think both are great in their own right.
I'm not sure if either is better than the other. Different players. Different mind sets. I'd take either one as my first pick based on career.
I don't think what Jordan did against the Celtics when we dropped 60 is no better than what Bron did to the Pistons.
6-0 is better than ?-4 though....
It is, but is that the measurement we going off of?
Yes. At the highest possible level of achievement, when there is a like comparison, never losing will always trump losing. 100% winning percentage will always outweigh lesser percentages. Especially when in the comparison, one player has ALWAYS been the best player on the court during the times of playing at the highest possible level in the given sport.
I definitely understand your point. I'm not sure if I totally agree, but I see where you are coming from.
If we are using finals as the standard of measurements, then that fairly clear cut. Personally I can't just settle for that. Bron has done great things in the finals that Jordan hasnt and vice verse. Winning chips is a team thing and Jordan had help that came through when Bron had some shortcomings from his teammates.
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All this shit is subjective from era to era and depending upon whom your speaking with. If ain't some Jordan topic its how some white player is doing something some dance, some taunt some other brotha playing can't.
True. But LeBron still has loses on his ledger in the finals, was directly responsible in a sense for one of loses, has been outplayed for an entire series by lesser players on the other team in the finals and has more series loses than wins in the finals. Jordan, on the other hand has never been party to any of those things it has always been for every final series he's played in the best player on the best team is winning MVP of every finals he's ever appear in. So cool, Lebron may have had one or two statistical anomaly type series. But that will never supersede 100% winning percentage in finals, and 100% winning percentage in terms of MVP of every finals that he's played in.
I always said the most LeBron can be is G.O.A.T. B to Jordans A, but folks have to understand Jordan's road is a lot different than LeBron's, for one thing Jordan was fortinate to be winning at the right era, right after the great Lakers and Boston teams and right before the Lakers and Spur teams. He never had to go head to head vs the great Rocket teams that hat Hakeem on it..
LeBron on the other hand traveled one of the most toughest roads in order to get a championship, so rating the two should be more than who has the most rings or least amount of losses in the finals, but between the two everything should be taken into consideration... Like I said I still give a edge to Jordan but not for the reasons some of these dopey commentators on TV keep talking about...
LeBron on the other hand traveled one of the most toughest roads in order to get a championship, so rating the two should be more than who has the most rings or least amount of losses in the finals, but between the two everything should be taken into consideration... Like I said I still give a edge to Jordan but not for the reasons some of these dopey commentators on TV keep talking about...
it shouldnt be...especially since basketball is a TEAM sport
i could understand if it was tennis or boxing
shit robert horry has 7 rings...its a horrible arguement
No, all due respect but when people try to bring up Robert Horry in the context of this discussion that is quite possibly the stupidest logic I've ever heard.
TEAM sport or not, players are still measured on how they perform as INDIVIDUALS in the context of the team, AND their contribution to that teams success. Riddle me this, if this isn't the case, then, why does EVERY major sports league in their own structure have:
Yearly MVP awards
Yearly Series MVP or MOP awards
Yearly Most Improved Player Awards
Why does the NBA have:
First, Second and Third Team All NBA teams every Year
Defensive Player of the Year Awards?!?!?!
So, TEAM sport or not, players still are gauged and evaluated based on their individual performance and contributions to the team. The Horry arguments is ridiculously stupid in this context because:
1. How many series MVPs did Horry win?
2. How many times was Horry CLEARLY the UNDISPUTED best player on ANY of the teams in the finals he played in?
At least make the argument make sense and not pick and choose which part of the debate you want to use for your 'argument'?!?!?! This one, the Horry discussion, seriously falls on its face, badly...
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Leading three different teams to championships is the only path to be considered G.O.A.T. status now. Lebron come on over to Philly and lead that franchise to a championship and he will have done something that could escalate him to GOAT status.
Show me what Jordan has accomplished with HOF coach Phil Jackson and Scottie Pippen. Personally MJ loses points on "quitting" the game twice. Lebron is penalized for leading his team to the finals which makes sense for the 6-0 arguments that means Jordan could only get to the finals 6 times there is no telling what happened if he was to get to the finals as often as Lebron and to be able to do it 8 straight years. MJ had a nice three point post Bad Boy Pistons Declining Celtics and Laker franchises. Dont act like Mike was beating powerhouse teams when in fact his team was the GSW. Why not call KD the GOAT he is doing what MJ did? Played on the greatest team of all time with 2-3 top twenty players, one DPOY, and top Six man in Kukoc.
Show me what Jordan has accomplished with HOF coach Phil Jackson and Scottie Pippen. Personally MJ loses points on "quitting" the game twice. Lebron is penalized for leading his team to the finals which makes sense for the 6-0 arguments that means Jordan could only get to the finals 6 times there is no telling what happened if he was to get to the finals as often as Lebron and to be able to do it 8 straight years. MJ had a nice three point post Bad Boy Pistons Declining Celtics and Laker franchises. Dont act like Mike was beating powerhouse teams when in fact his team was the GSW. Why not call KD the GOAT he is doing what MJ did? Played on the greatest team of all time with 2-3 top twenty players, one DPOY, and top Six man in Kukoc.
KD (and the Warriors) are worthless to Jordan dickriders outside of beating LeBron in the Finals. Its a temporary fix til next season.
Breakdown or gambling problem and was forced to retire to avoid the embarrassment of a suspension and blackballed from the league.
ummmm...his father getting murdered on a lonely road might of had something to do with it.
Shouldve paid those gambling debts.
how many championships Jordan won without pippen? or grant/rodman? ill wait
And Bron actually won the series
Same amount that LeBron won without Wade and Kyrie. Same amount that Kobe won without Shaq and Gasol. Pierce without KG. What's your point? How can a player win a ring without teammates?
LeBron has surpassed Kobe and basically every other guard or forward in league history. It's time to stop chasing that yellow eyed ghost though. It's over.
@tallblacknyc will not be amused.
Wait in 2 weeks. Hes really gon be livid. Niggas think MJ is safe.
Here’s the thing about the Finals. Unless you’re coming from a weak conference (today’s East) you will ultimately face a team of your PEERS in the NBA Finals. LeBron has dominated the stat line by padding his stats playing against mediocre teams in the East. The only true measurement of his “greatness” is his ability to beat his PEERS and he’s fallen very short. Unlike Jordan who denied the likes of Patrick Ewing, Reggie Miller, Karl Malone, John Stockton and Charles Barkley rings LeBron hasn’t denied anyone a ring. They’ve all eaten in the LeBron era. Jordan left his PEERS starving, destitute and suffering from clinical depression.
Nonsense. Magic, Isiah, Bird, Hakeem, Kareem, Rodman, Dumars, Shaq, Kobe, Drexler, Walton, Horry all ate on his watch. He only went to 6 Finals, the other 9 years niggas ate real good. Isiah on TV everyday clowning MJ.
Players deal with death in the family all the time in the league and keep on playing "B". Shit average Joe's deal with that shit everyday and only get a week tops bereavement leave then it's back to work. That dude had a mental break down but everybody talks about how mentally tough he is. Shit he has two mental break downs under his belt where he "had to walk away" but he's seen as being mentally tough. I'm not being funny I'm just keeping it 100. You can't claim mental toughness with two break downs on your resume. No matter what you call those break downs.
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