Black Lives Don’t Matter, Black Votes Do: the Racial Hypocrisy of Hillary and Bill Clinton

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The Clinton legacy is black impoverishment—so why are we still voting for Hillary?

–Michelle Alexander, author, The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness


African-Americans have few reasons to vote for Hillary Clinton. No one understands this better—and says it more forcefully—than Michelle Alexander, civil rights activist, author, and professor of law. She has studied the public life of the Clintons, chronicled their catastrophic impacts on black lives, and observed their self-serving, hypocritical pandering to the African-American community.

The Clintons have always cultivated a warm affection for African-Americans. One iconic image shows Bill riffing on his saxophone for Arsenio Hall. Another pictures Hillary hugging parishioners in black churches. Similar beguiling images appear daily in the media as her presidential campaign progresses.

The affection seems to be mutual. It was apparent in the primary elections across the South, where black voters gave Hillary Clinton overwhelming majorities. But their loyalty is tragically misplaced: the Clintons’ affection is not matched by a serious commitment to relieving the poverty, prejudice, mass incarceration, and second-class citizenry suffered by much of the black community today.

The Clintons’ affection is simply a political expedient. They have relied on the black vote in virtually every election either of them has faced over the past 24 years, but their respective incumbencies have savaged this faithful community.

“From the crime bill to welfare reform, policies Bill Clinton enacted—and Hillary Clinton supported—decimated black America.” Those are Michelle Alexander’s words, accompanying her recent online essay, The Clinton Legacy is Black Impoverishment–So Why Are We Still Voting for Hillary? (The article appeared in print form in the Nationmagazine on February 29 under the title, “Black Lives Shattered.”)

The case is compelling for African-Americans to withhold their votes from Hillary Clinton.

Millions of young black men molder in prisons today because the “War on Drugs” is waged disproportionately against black Americans. They serve absurdly long sentences for minor drug offenses, non-violent and victim-free. This is the core of mass incarceration, and millions more are on parole or probation.

Branded as felons, these people will be monstrously handicapped for the rest of their lives. Their criminal records will relegate them to menial, low-paying work; will encourage their return to damaging lifestyles; will impede their access to drug rehabilitation programs, educational benefits, food stamps, and public housing; and in many states will deny them the right to vote. Their lives will indeed be shattered, and the effects will ripple through their families and communities.

The result, nationwide, is the maintenance of a race-based caste system that began with slavery, continued with Jim Crow laws, and is now sustained by mass incarceration.

This is the story Michelle Alexander tells so well in her arresting book,The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness.

The Clintons are prominent among the several drivers of mass incarceration. The War on Drugs was undertaken in the Nixon years, deliberately targeting black Americans. Subsequent administrations sustained the effort, militarizing police forces to stiffen it, but when the Clintons took aim at the White House in 1991 The New Jim Crowcame into view as the bleak future of black America.

Their careers demonstrate the Clintons sought power, celebrity, and immense wealth, and they achieved all three.

Jumping from Little Rock to Washington would be a big first step, but the Democrats hadn’t won the presidency since the Carter years. So, as chairman of the Democratic Leadership Council in 1991, Bill Clinton helped redesign the party, enabling it to trump the Republicans’ signature issues.

The New Democratic Party, as it came to be known, would outdo the Republicans; it would be tougher on “crime” and “welfare”—and deliberately seek out campaign funding from corporate sources. This transformation was not trivial, and it would be disastrous for America’s working families and communities of color. In fact, the New Democratic Party simply abandoned those constituencies—but never changed its campaign messaging.

Supported by $11.17 million in campaign contributions from Wall Street banks, Mr. Clinton became the first president of the New Democratic Party in 1993. Hillary Clinton was at his side, a de factominister-without-portfolio. Thus began the couple’s 24-year courtship with Wall Street, to the immense financial benefit of both parties, and it continues to this day.

On taking office Mr. Clinton announced, co-opting the Republicans’ rhetoric as well, “The era of big government is over.”

First he attacked the welfare issue, with The Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act. It fulfilled Clinton’s promise to “end welfare as we know it,” and the punishing effects it set in motion have yet to abate. Since the end of the Clinton Administration, poverty in the U.S. has nearly doubled: “...the number of Americans living in high-poverty areas rose to 13.8 million in 2013 from 7.2 million in 2000, with African-Americans and Latinos driving most of the gains.

To show how tough on crime he could be, Clinton next guided TheViolent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 through Congress. A flurry of prison construction quickly followed, an industry of private for-profit prisons blossomed, 100,000 new police officers took to the streets, harsh mandatory sentences were prescribed.

When Clinton took office in 1993 the prison population in the U.S. was roughly 855,000. When he left office eight years later it exceeded 2 million. Today it is about 2.25 million, and 4.7 million more citizens are on parole or probation. So our total “Correctional Population” is nearly seven million citizens. Most of them are black, and minor drug offenses are by far the most common. (Terminology and figures from the Bureau of Justice Statistics.)

The welfare and crime laws were passed with Hillary’s support and lobbying efforts. She displayed her enthusiasm indelibly, with her infamous remarks about the “super-predators” and “bringing them to heel.”

In 1996 the Clintons’ romance with Wall Street continued. With $28.37 million from the New York banks supporting his campaign, President Clinton was easily reelected.

The Wall Street benefactors would be nicely rewarded.

The President brought in Mr. Robert Rubin from Goldman Sachs to serve as Treasury Secretary. Mr. Rubin shepherded two laws through Congress, first the Financial Services Modernization Act which repealed the Glass-Steagal legislation of 1933. This allowed the Wall Street banks to buy sub-prime mortgages with savers’ deposits and package them into derivatives called “mortgage-backed securities.” or MBO’s. Next came the Commodity Futures Modernization Act, allowing the banks to sell the MBO’s around the world, without limit, restriction, or regulation, at immense profit. In the frenzy of greed the laws encouraged, fraud was rampant and other laws openly violated.

With its crime and welfare laws, the Clinton Administration impoverished further the already poor and imprisoned millions of them. With its financial laws they further enriched the already rich.

(The Clintons’ own riches accumulated quickly on leaving the White House in 2001. The couple bought a 5-bedroom home in Chappaqua, New York for $1.7 million, and Bill Clinton took to the lecture circuit. Over the next 15 years five Wall Street banks paid him $5,910,000 in speaking fees; other speaking engagements and a consulting business produced about $74 million more. Adding Hillary’s net worth of $45 million puts the couple in the top 1% of American households today by a factor of 16 [the threshold is $7.88 million].)

Virtually a founding member of the New Democratic Party, Hillary undertook her own political career, running for the Senate in 2000. Helped nicely along with $2.13 million in Wall Street contributions, she won easily. She won again in 2006, this time with $6.02 million from the New York banks.

During Hillary Clinton’s eight years in the Senate, three institutional bubbles inflated and grew to alarming size: the number of families living in poverty, the incarcerated population, and Wall Street’s global selling of its fraudulent mortgage-backed-securities. All three were products of the Clintons’ years in the White House.

The bursting of the housing bubble traumatized the nation’s economy, and the burden of lost jobs, home foreclosures, and diminished family wealth fell most heavily on black Americans. The distress imposed on them by the crime and welfare bills intensified.

Senator Clinton’s warm affection for them, however, is not evident in her record as a legislator. Only three of the bills she introduced were made into law, none of them of benefit to African-Americans: one established a National Historic Site in Troy, NY; one titled a post office after a local Army officer; and a final one gave Tim Russert’s name to a portion of a highway, US Route 20A.

She did, however, vote for the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008—the “Troubled Asset Relief Program” allocating $700 billion of taxpayers money to rescue the shaky Wall Street banks. The day after the vote she spoke over a New York radio station, saying, “I think the banks of New York…are probably the biggest winners in this.”

Then in 2008, with $14.61 million in Wall Street campaign contributions, she declared her first candidacy for President. In theNew Democratic Party primaries she faced Barack Obama, who himself was favored with Wall Street contributions totaling $3.7 million.

The New York banks have prospered with the New Democratic Party, and they’ve seen fit to support Hillary Clinton’s second candidacy, this time even more generously: so far she has accepted $21.42 million from them.

The Clintons are unmatched as masterful presidential campaigners. No one has more experience. They’ve undertaken four presidential campaigns, something not seen since FDR.

The Clintons sense and define the popular issues of the day with uncanny accuracy, and then hire genius media people to craft online content and communicated messages accordingly. Hillary’s website, therefore, elevates hypocrisy to an art form: it promises solutions to distressing institutional conditions, two of which are precisely the conditions created by laws the Clinton Administration sponsored.

Verbatim from the website:

Wall Street reform: “The financial crisis showed how irresponsible behavior in the financial sector can devastate the lives of everyday Americans…..Hillary has a plan to reduce the risk of future crises and make our financial system fairer and more accountable.”

Criminal justice reform: “Hillary believes our criminal justice system is out of balance. In her first major speech of the campaign, she said we have to come to terms with some hard truths about race and justice in America and called for an end to the “era of mass incarceration.”

With hundreds of millions of dollars in her super-pacs from Wall Street, from the pharmaceutical industry, from the fossil fuel producers, and other corporate interests her website addresses “Campaign finance reform” as follows:

“We have to end the flood of secret, unaccountable money that is distorting our elections, corrupting our political system, and drowning the voices of too many everyday Americans. Our democracy should be about expanding the franchise, not charging an entry fee.”

Hillary’s campaign is a cruel facade’, a diametric contradiction of history—of the Clintons’ public-policy initiatives and the financing of their candidacies.

But it is superbly effective particularly, as Michelle Alexander laments, among the African-Americans who have been so brilliantly deceived. And among the millions of others who have been deceived as well.

Wall Street is not deceived, though.

Hillary’s website threatens “Wall Street reform,” noting the banks’ “irresponsible behavior.”

And addressing the Wall Street debacle, she has said, “I’m going after them. I’m going to jail them if they should be jailed. I’m going to break them up.” This is tough talk, aligning perfectly with Americans’ contemporary anger over Wall Street’s crimes; it is first rate campaigning.

Is Wall Street apprehensive?

Not at all. An online CNN Money report says simply, “Wall Street isn’t worried about Hillary Clinton’s plan.” Another quotes author William Cohan: “The big bankers love Clinton, and by and large they want her to be president…among them Goldman Sachs CEO Lloyd Blankfein, Morgan Stanley CEO James Gorman…JPMorgan Chase…Bank of America…They dismiss it quickly [the threat of reform] as political maneuvers.”

Yes, you say what you need to say to get elected. The bankers understand this and the black community needs to. Hillary Clinton is no more likely to end mass incarceration than she is to put Lloyd Blankfein in prison.

Both Bill and Hillary Clinton possess the remarkable talent of professional performers to assume a convincing stage persona—in the Clintons’ case here a campaign persona—totally distinct from who they are in reality. A role to be played, a script to memorize.

The Clintons’ campaign personas are as carefully crafted, and the scripts as carefully written, as the content of the website.

We see the campaign personas when Hillary is hugging black parishioners or Bill is playing his saxophone. We see them in the debates. We seem them in the fundraisers. We see them in the rallies.

Two recent episodes along the campaign trail illustrate the Clintons’ duplicity, however. And they also show a few African-Americans are breaking through the curtain of deception.

Hillary held a $500-per-person fundraiser in Charleston, S.C. on February 24. A young woman named Ashley Williams, a Black Lives Matter activist, paid the $500 to attend. As Hillary addressed the campaign issues— reciting her script—Ms. Williams held up a banner for the audience to see. It said, We have to bring them to heel. Then she turned the banner toward Hillary.

In the parlance of the acting profession, Hillary broke character. Her campaign persona collapsed, and so did Hillary Clinton’s storied affection for African-Americans. She shouted over Ms. Williams with caustic, condescending sarcasm. Finally she asked the young woman testily, “Do you want to hear the facts or do you just want to talk?” Then, when Ms. Williams was forcibly ejected from the room, Hillary turned to her benefactors and said, “OK, back to the issues that I think are important.” She regained her campaign persona and her fawning donors, white southerners, applauded.

At a rally for Hillary in Philadelphia on April 6, Bill Clinton matched the truth of his wife’s disdain. He too was reciting his script, displaying his campaign persona, when several Black Lives Matter protestors held up placards. One said, Clinton Crime Bill Destroyed Our Communities, another, Black Youth Are Not Super Predators.Bill also broke character. His campaign persona disappeared and for 11 minutes the real Bill Clinton alternately ridiculed the protestors and applauded the stellar achievements of his years in the White House.

For 24 years the Clintons have enjoyed the unwavering political support of black Americans. During this time the couple also enjoyed immense financial support from Wall Street banks, in total some $83.72 million in contributions to their six campaigns.

Today the New York banks are larger and more prosperous than ever. Their executives enjoy stratospheric salaries and bonuses and none of them has served prison time for their documented crimes.

Black America, on the other hand, has been brought to heel by The New Jim Crow. Millions of young men, hardly super-predators, serve prison terms of decades for trivial drug offenses. Black communities have been impoverished.

We have come to this dichotomy since the Clintons arrived on the national stage in 1992. They bear much responsibility for it.

But now Hillary Clinton seeks the presidency, and she is depending on her traditional sources of support. Wall Street’s ongoing financing of her campaign is not difficult to understand, but the continuing willingness of African-Americans to give her their votes is a paradox unmatched in memory.

Perhaps that willingness is dissipating. The young people of Black Lives Matter are shouting that it should. And two-thirds of American voters, according to a recent Quinnipiac poll, find Hillary Clinton “not honest and trustworthy.”

Yes, both Hillary and Bill Clinton have expressed a degree of dismay about the crime and welfare bills, and she has apologized about her choice of words—the bringing-to-heel phrase. But their remorse emerged only after Hillary’s campaign was underway. You say what you need to say to get elected.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/04...racial-hypocrisy-of-hillary-and-bill-clinton/
 
Ballscout didn't like Trump dropping in the polls so he reposted an article from April

And Hillary is the only one supporting BLM and speaking out against police murdering Black men.
 
21 Sep 2016

During a rally in Orlando, Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton lamented the number of black Americans killed by police.

“It’s unbearable, and it needs to become intolerable,” Clinton said, pointing to a “long list of African Americans killed by police officers.”

She specifically mentioned the death of Keith Lamont Scott, shot by police officers in Charlotte on Tuesday, after he exited the vehicle and refused to drop a handgun in his possession.

She also referred to the shooting Terence Crutcher in Tulsa, Oklahoma by police officers.

“It’s unbearable, and it needs to become intolerable,” she said.

Clinton was careful to point out recent attacks against police officers, including in Philadelphia, and the rioters in Charlotte who injured over a dozen law enforcement officials Tuesday night.

“Look, I know I don’t have all the answers, I don’t know anyone who does but this is certain — too many people have lost their lives who shouldn’t have,” she said.
 
Hillary Clinton Ignores America’s Largest Police Union

Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton’s campaign ignored America’s largest police union, and refused to fill out a questionnaire it sends out to presidential candidates on issues important to police.

Chuck Canterbury, president of the National Fraternal Order of Police, said Clinton’s snub “sends a powerful message.” Canterbury was “disappointed and shocked” Clinton’s campaign refused to fill out the questionnaire and will not be meeting with officials from the union, which represents 335,000 members of the law enforcement community, according to The Hill.

The Fraternal Order of Police has a strict process in place for endorsing a presidential candidate. It sends each candidate a comprehensive questionnaire which is to be completed and returned by a certain date, at which point the union distributes the answers to its membership. In September, the state chapters of the union vote, and if a candidate receives a majority of support in at least two-thirds of the states, the candidate receives the union’s endorsement.

Republican nominee Donald Trump met with leaders of the Fraternal Order Friday, and submitted a questionnaire. Trump has been regularly voicing support for police officers and courting their support for November. One of Trump’s major themes on the campaign trail is “law and order.
 
Hillary Clinton Ignores America’s Largest Police Union

Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton’s campaign ignored America’s largest police union, and refused to fill out a questionnaire it sends out to presidential candidates on issues important to police.

Chuck Canterbury, president of the National Fraternal Order of Police, said Clinton’s snub “sends a powerful message.” Canterbury was “disappointed and shocked” Clinton’s campaign refused to fill out the questionnaire and will not be meeting with officials from the union, which represents 335,000 members of the law enforcement community, according to The Hill.

The Fraternal Order of Police has a strict process in place for endorsing a presidential candidate. It sends each candidate a comprehensive questionnaire which is to be completed and returned by a certain date, at which point the union distributes the answers to its membership. In September, the state chapters of the union vote, and if a candidate receives a majority of support in at least two-thirds of the states, the candidate receives the union’s endorsement.

Republican nominee Donald Trump met with leaders of the Fraternal Order Friday, and submitted a questionnaire. Trump has been regularly voicing support for police officers and courting their support for November. One of Trump’s major themes on the campaign trail is “law and order.

Not a big deal....Police unions don't endorse democrats anyway..

Never have never will.
 
Ballscout... I do understand your position but I'm not sure what better alternatives you suggest.
 
Ballscout... I do understand your position but I'm not sure what better alternatives you suggest.

Start with demands for support.

Accountability if those demands are not met, which at the least means you won't be getting support for re-election.

It was one thing for one BLM activist to refuse to go because it was in her words a photo op.

But others went and what did they go in seeking and what did they leave with ?

A good conversation isn't it.

stop being chicken shit with this every election the GOP will end black existence so we HAVE to vote for the democrat.

if you think the scare tactics and the whole process isn't rigged just look at the candidates each party put in since Nixon v Kennedy.

You mean to tell me McCain Palin was the best they could do against Obama

Dukakis was the best they could do against Bush ?

Gore is about the weakest candidate imaginable and he had to lose by theft.
 
I hear you bro, but, when do we hold our locally elected officials accountable? They are the ones who are directly responsible for the quality of life in our neighborhoods.

The main stream media puts all their resources and energy into covering the presidential election and this allows for the state/city officials to go totally unnoticed and unchallenged for the most part.

Until we find a way to get more involved in local politics, we will always be taken advantage of.
 
I hear you bro, but, when do we hold our locally elected officials accountable? They are the ones who are directly responsible for the quality of life in our neighborhoods.

The main stream media puts all their resources and energy into covering the presidential election and this allows for the state/city officials to go totally unnoticed and unchallenged for the most part.

Until we find a way to get more involved in local politics, we will always be taken advantage of.
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I hear you bro, but, when do we hold our locally elected officials accountable? They are the ones who are directly responsible for the quality of life in our neighborhoods.

The main stream media puts all their resources and energy into covering the presidential election and this allows for the state/city officials to go totally unnoticed and unchallenged for the most part.

Until we find a way to get more involved in local politics, we will always be taken advantage of.

You preaching to the choir...I have said all along that local is the priority and where everything begins.

And everytime the excuse makers start with the voter suppression bullshit I tell them to look at local turnout.

Cats in here talking about Hillary is the only chance but don't know what ballot initiatives are in their area.

But that by no means absolves the feds or the white house.

There are federal laws that can be used against the state that the white house pretends doesn't exist like the equal protection clause.

The direct answer to your question is that any and all politicians at all levels need to be held accountable.

We have politicians holding offices for decades and they have produced nothing yet every election they are getting our votes.


Look at Jesse Jackson jr....What people didn't pay attention to was he was able to spend his campaign donations on private shit because he didn't have to spend it on a campaign. Not a comercial, not a flyer, not a staff and he still won by landslide.

He didn't have to answer a question or make a promise and still got all the votes.

Even after being charged

With the exception of Jane Byrne and Harold Washington , The Daly's held the power in Chicago for decades and did nothing but fuck up the city but they still won easily.
 
Lets be honest. Some the gang members that I lived around in Houston were super predators. A kid I went to class with (well known thug) was arrested in the 90's for breaking into houses with his crew and raping women. Dude sat right next to me in class (when he would bother to show up).

Is that all black folks? No. Should it be attributed to all black folks HELL NO. But to pretend that we don't have a few monsters among us is much bullshit. All communities do, white, black, Asian, polar bear.
 
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Lets be honest. Some the gang members that I lived around in Houston were super predators. A kid I went to class with (well known thug) was arrested in the 90's for breaking into houses with his crew and raping women. Dude sat right next to me in class (when he would bother to show up).

Is that all black folks no. Should it be attributed to all black folks HELL NO. But to pretend that we don't have a few monsters among us is much bullshit. All communities do, white, black, Asian, polar bear.

Whether there are instances of truth is besides the point when using racial dog whistle speak.

And the fact that some try to justify it's use is a problem.

Also the timing of using the phrase was when white people were terrified of groups of black and brown kids wilding because of the narrative spread of the central park 5.

The phrasing was intentional and directed to a specific audience to make them feel safe.

And it's hard to believe that so many supporters of the Clintons seem to purposely forget they use racial code words frequently.


in the event a reminder is needed

http://theweek.com/articles/567774/hillary-clinton-needs-address-racist-undertones-2008-campaign
 
Whether there are instances of truth is besides the point when using racial dog whistle speak.

So let's pretend that we don't have people who look like us who only goal in life is to make ours a living Hell? Yes there is some truth to what she was saying back then, that's why black leaders joined in signing that bill. Bernie "Da bankstas" Sanders signed the bill.
 
So let's pretend that we don't have people who look like us who only goal in life is to make ours a living Hell? Yes there is some truth to what she was saying back then, that's why black leaders joined in signing that bill. Bernie "Da bankstas" Sanders signed the bill.

Just like all bills it seems that good bills are stuffed with bad shit ..

We are even seeing the bad shit in the ACA starting to come out

Sanders signed the bill and even back then said why he supported the bill but also pointed out the bad shit that was in it

Black people wanted help in their communities and was sold a bill that many didn't understand because they didn't have access to read it and went by what they were told.

That has nothing to do with coded language 2 years after the bill.

You justify dog whistle language because there might be cases that the language applies.

You know just like I do that thug is code for black even though there are examples where thug might apply.

we all know that white people also live in the the inner city but when they talk about inner city they are talking about black folks.

and again you are ignoring the timing of her using the language and the fear and thoughts of white people she was trying to assure.

we know that when Bill said a few years ago Obama would have been carrying his luggage what was meant even though in 2008 many white people also carried baggage
 
So who you voting for? Trump? A Trump election will fuck us just on the Supreme Court picks he'd make . I don't get your point here. We know Hilary ain't shit but Trump is far worse so there is no point making this thread.
 
So who you voting for? Trump? A Trump election will fuck us just on the Supreme Court picks he'd make . I don't get your point here. We know Hilary ain't shit but Trump is far worse so there is no point making this thread.

Even this post shows just how short sighted cats are.

Always talking about the Supreme Court but in all the posts I have not seen one talking about the damn near 100 federal judge vacancies that are open and need to be filled.

Those courts will have so much more impact than the SCOTUS . But all cats wanna talk about is the top.

The WH, The Scotus and no focus on shit that possibly has so much more impact.

Hillary supporters say nothing but vote for Hillary and the job is done. Not give her 4 years and let's spend those 4 working on the system itself. Not vote her in and then create viable alternatives to the two establishments.

So she has already said she is going to be a centrist, work across the aisle and be a better friend to Israel but what receipt do we take away ?

And that short sighted shit is why you can even ask well then who you voting for Trump ?

And always ignoring why the two choices presented are fucked up choices.

What makes you think her choices will be good for black folks ? Merrick wasn't going to be good if you look at his history.

This whole line of thinking means in 4 years it will be we have to re-elect Hillary because the GOP has some other ghoul running that will end life as we know it.

Just keep doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results
 

I read it when you posted it...

I can see her reasoning and hoped that she would have spoken to what mobilization should be done after the election.

What she thinks should be done to address the last past of the article

These vast differences in ideology between Davis and Hillary Clinton seem as if they would pose a problem for Davis—and perhaps they do. But she still made her position clear today saying, “We should have learned by now … the arena of electoral politics militates against the expression of radical militant perspective.”

Davis seems to have joined the ranks of justice seekers and freedom fighters who believe that stopping Donald Trump—by any means necessary—should be the priority.


This, of course, does nothing to dismantle a political duopoly that continues to deprioritize and terrorize black, brown, Indigenous and poor people. But it is a perspective that is gaining louder support as November draws near: That this election is different—because Trump is different—and independent parties can wait.
 
I read it when you posted it...

I can see her reasoning and hoped that she would have spoken to what mobilization should be done after the election.

What she thinks should be done to address the last past of the article


They are supposed to post her keynote in full when it becomes available. It's possible she went more in-depth. But I've basically said the same thing. I can understand if people don't see Hillary is progress, but the important thing is that we don't lose any progress. We would lose progress under Trump. His campaign is being run but alt-right racists, and you don't want them to be able to set the race narrative for the next 4-8 years. Things are bad enough as it is, but at least people at the very least give lip service to racial equality, and strive for the appearance of it. Trump and his supporters want to be openly racist, and we don't need to have it normalized that that type of behavior is ok. He validates their racism and hate. It's not a strategy to just not vote or to vote 3rd party, when the 3rd party candidate is not viable.

Aside from the racial tension at home, just how the world sees us at large would be affected. I don't know if they world leaders would be too scared to say anything to him for fear he'd go off, or if they would intentionally troll him in the hopes that he goes off.

To quote myself:

I've said from the beginning, Hillary is a perfect opportunity for black people to exert their political power, IF we hold her accountable. If she gets into office and does what she says she will do, it's a win. If she doesn't show any movement by the end of the first year and the black community comes up with a candidate to primary her with, and causes her to lose or fight hard for reelection, its a win. It will send a message not to take our support for granted. These candidates don't have to be our friends to work our agenda. Their heart doesn't have to be in the right place. They don't have to like us or we them. If they won't do the right thing because it is right, then they can be forced to do the right thing, because it is in their interest and benefits them to do so. (Keeping their job.)
 
Black people are too forgiving

I didn't forget when she was running against Obama 8 years ago...much less welfare reform and the so called drug war.

I'm not voting for this bitch

She sealed the deal when she mentioned the disparity in the drug sentences as if they had nothing to do with it.

They use us and do absolutely nothing for us. She's no better than Trump.
 
Even this post shows just how short sighted cats are.

Always talking about the Supreme Court but in all the posts I have not seen one talking about the damn near 100 federal judge vacancies that are open and need to be filled.

Those courts will have so much more impact than the SCOTUS . But all cats wanna talk about is the top.

The WH, The Scotus and no focus on shit that possibly has so much more impact.

Hillary supporters say nothing but vote for Hillary and the job is done. Not give her 4 years and let's spend those 4 working on the system itself. Not vote her in and then create viable alternatives to the two establishments.

So she has already said she is going to be a centrist, work across the aisle and be a better friend to Israel but what receipt do we take away ?

And that short sighted shit is why you can even ask well then who you voting for Trump ?

And always ignoring why the two choices presented are fucked up choices.

What makes you think her choices will be good for black folks ? Merrick wasn't going to be good if you look at his history.

This whole line of thinking means in 4 years it will be we have to re-elect Hillary because the GOP has some other ghoul running that will end life as we know it.

Just keep doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results
So again who the fuck you voting for??
 
Respectfully, what exact progress do we have and when did we get it?

I'm not sure if you are serious or not so I'll just name one thing: the right to vote. Right now it is under attack. The SCOTUS struck down parts of the voting rights act and racist white folks went buck wild trying to stop black folks and democrats from voting. We need a SCOTUS that will restore it, and uphold challenges to the voter suppression laws that have sprung up since their decision. If Trump is elected most likely his SCOTUS nominee would not do that. Hillary is not perfect by any means, but until someone better comes along, at the very least we can do is use her as a place holder until someone else comes along so the country doesn't go down the shitter in the meantime. Right now all I see is bitching about Hillary and Trump, but I see no alternatives to groom to run against her in the future.

Toxic thoughts and racist ideas are contagious. We really don't need a president who retweets white supremacists and has a history of discrimination against women and black folks in power normalizing, legitimizing , and spreading these ideas. Angry racists want to feel validated, and Trump is doing just that, validating their hate and stroking their fears. At his rallies he has promoted punching protesters and stating he'd pay their legal fees. His rallies are similar to the McCain Palin rallies when they were running against Obama back in '08: KKK lite. Since he has been running for office, incidents of people just walking up to black and muslim folks and saying and doing racist, off the wall things has increased. If he wins it will be unbearable.


http://billmoyers.com/2014/10/22/su...es-voting-rights-act-texas-voter-id-decision/
 
I'm not sure if you are serious or not so I'll just name one thing: the right to vote. Right now it is under attack. The SCOTUS struck down parts of the voting rights act and racist white folks went buck wild trying to stop black folks and democrats from voting. We need a SCOTUS that will restore it, and uphold challenges to the voter suppression laws that have sprung up since their decision. If Trump is elected most likely his SCOTUS nominee would not do that. Hillary is not perfect by any means, but until someone better comes along, at the very least we can do is use her as a place holder until someone else comes along so the country doesn't go down the shitter in the meantime. Right now all I see is bitching about Hillary and Trump, but I see no alternatives to groom to run against her in the future.

Toxic thoughts and racist ideas are contagious. We really don't need a president who retweets white supremacists and has a history of discrimination against women and black folks in power normalizing, legitimizing , and spreading these ideas. Angry racists want to feel validated, and Trump is doing just that, validating their hate and stroking their fears. At his rallies he has promoted punching protesters and stating he'd pay their legal fees. His rallies are similar to the McCain Palin rallies when they were running against Obama back in '08: KKK lite. Since he has been running for office, incidents of people just walking up to black and muslim folks and saying and doing racist, off the wall things has increased. If he wins it will be unbearable.


http://billmoyers.com/2014/10/22/su...es-voting-rights-act-texas-voter-id-decision/

For starters... I'm very serious.

And secondly, through new voter ID laws, gerrymandering, uncounted votes, vote rigging, and non-felon voting restrictions... I wouldn't hardly call that progress choosing between a blatant racist and/or a systematic racist in 2016.

What other form of progress have black people made?
 
What is ironic is that black voters are more sophisticated than most other voting populations yet we lack the resources to influence the vote compared to other groups. Let's be real. Stats show that change is dictated by finances which is in the hands of a few.

Although I agree politics are local, the average person is ignorant about how local politics influence their lives, and in a democracy we need the average person to be educated but it is in the best interests of the status quo to not do so.
 
Respectfully, what exact progress do we have and when did we get it?
Right.

It's more Black people being lynched than ever.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/8462778

Aye, man....

Black people are stupid.

I think the more racist pressure we are under the smarter we become.

Otherwise, we get lazy and can't maintain a code of conduct for shit. Maybe Trump is what we need - not Clinton.

More brothers ended up being incarcerated during the Clinton administration (during the 90's) than the Bush administration (2000's).

Give these dumb ass cracker peasants what they want.
 
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What is ironic is that black voters are more sophisticated than most other voting populations yet we lack the resources to influence the vote compared to other groups. Let's be real. Stats show that change is dictated by finances which is in the hands of a few.

Although I agree politics are local, the average person is ignorant about how local politics influence their lives, and in a democracy we need the average person to be educated but it is in the best interests of the status quo to not do so.


Black people are sophisticated when it comes to being vigilant of politicians who do or don't have our best interests; however, we're stupid as fuck regarding political activeness in our local communities.
 
So let's pretend that we don't have people who look like us who only goal in life is to make ours a living Hell? Yes there is some truth to what she was saying back then, that's why black leaders joined in signing that bill. Bernie "Da bankstas" Sanders signed the bill.

Bernie did it because he loves us tho, and Hilary made him do it.
 
Black people are too forgiving

I didn't forget when she was running against Obama 8 years ago...much less welfare reform and the so called drug war.

I'm not voting for this bitch

She sealed the deal when she mentioned the disparity in the drug sentences as if they had nothing to do with it.

They use us and do absolutely nothing for us. She's no better than Trump.

Trump will show you. I promise he will. He just said if President he would try to implement nationwide stop and frisk.

It's the same shit people in NJ said when Chris Christie ran for Governor the first time. I know a girl that said the same shit dudes on this board say. Both parties the same. All candidates the same.

I talked to her after Christie had been elected, and she told me the after school programs she depended and tuition programs she depended on for her kids' educations no longer existed and she didn't know how she was going to keep them in.

"How can they just do that???"

I told her, "that was just Chris Christie letting you know just how much the same he really is."
 
Start with demands for support.

Accountability if those demands are not met, which at the least means you won't be getting support for re-election.

It was one thing for one BLM activist to refuse to go because it was in her words a photo op.

But others went and what did they go in seeking and what did they leave with ?

A good conversation isn't it.

stop being chicken shit with this every election the GOP will end black existence so we HAVE to vote for the democrat.

if you think the scare tactics and the whole process isn't rigged just look at the candidates each party put in since Nixon v Kennedy.

You mean to tell me McCain Palin was the best they could do against Obama

Dukakis was the best they could do against Bush ?

Gore is about the weakest candidate imaginable and he had to lose by theft.



Dude the work can only be done if you get the right person in office. At least she speaks against police injustice while Trump dances around the issue by saying our issue is voilence in our communities and he'll solve it with stop and frisk.
 
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