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We Now Know Why Costco Chose Visa Over American Express for Its New Co-Branded Credit Card

The rewards program demanded by Costco was too generous for American Express.
John Maxfield
(JohnMaxfield37)
Apr 10, 2016 at 2:15PM





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When Costco demanded better rewards from its co-branded credit card, American Express waved the white flag.

It's now clear why Costco (NASDAQ:COST) dumped American Express (NYSE:AXP) in favor of a Visa (NYSE:V) co-branded card issued by Citigroup (NYSE:C). As members of the warehouse giant learned this week, the rewards program on the Citigroup-backed Visa went beyond what American Express was willing to match.

You can see this by comparing the terms of the two cards. Users of the American Express TrueEarnings card earn 3% cash back on purchases of gasoline, 2% cash back on travel and restaurant expenditures, and 1% cash back on everything else.
This 3-2-1 structure has, in fact, become a popular framework for other rewards cards. Wal-Mart (NYSE:WMT) offers a case in point. Its recently announced 3-2-1 Save cash back program offers 3% back on Wal-Mart.com purchases, 2% back on purchases of fuel at Wal-Mart or Murphy USA stations, and 1% back on everything else, including purchases made at Wal-Mart stores.
It's thus no surprise that Costco's upcoming Citigroup-backed Visa uses a similar rewards structure. The difference is that it's much more generous than its predecessor.
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The Citigroup-backed Visa raises most of the reward tiers from the American Express by 1 percentage point each. Cardholders will now earn 4% cash back on purchases of fuel as opposed to 3%. And instead of rewards-eligible fuel purchases being capped at $4,000 a year, the rewards will continue to accrue up to $7,000 in annual gasoline expenditures.

In terms of travel and restaurant purchases, cardholders will now earn 3% cash back, instead of 2% under the legacy American Express card. The 2% rewards tier under the new Visa covers all purchases made at Costco and on Costco.com. And for all other purchases, cardholders will earn 1% cash back.


On top of this, as my Foolish colleague Adam Levine-Weinberg notes here, Citigroup has essentially agreed to forgo card acceptance fees from purchases made at Costco. The resulting savings, says the warehouse giant, will be passed onto its members.
When you take all of this into consideration, then, it's obvious why American Express wasn't willing to match Citigroup's terms. American Express is a high-margin business. It's long sought out the wealthiest cardholders and supplements its fee-income from processing payments with interest income from financing the underlying loans.
Citigroup, meanwhile, is a volume business. It's long aimed to be a financial supermarket along the lines of Wal-Mart, not Whole Foods. On top of this, Citigroup is in the midst of a transformation, brought on by its missteps in the lead-up to the financial crisis. One area it's focusing on is building out its consumer credit card business in the United States. This seems to explain why the $1.7 trillion bank was willing to go so far in order to secure the Costco co-branded card.


The difference between the two models is immediately obvious when you compare their respective profitability. Over the past 12 months, American Express has generated a 24% return on equity, according to YCharts.com. Citigroup's return on equity over the same period, by contrast, was a mere 8.5%.

In sum, while American Express had a lot to lose by accepting narrower margins in its credit card business, Citigroup had everything to gain. It's for this reason that American Express CEO Kenneth Chenault said previously that the more generous terms didn't make "economic sense for us and our shareholders."



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I got suckered into getting the citi card and I absolutely hate the company! Their customer service is atrocious! Try and call there fools with an issue and they treat you like you are calling about an EBT card. AMeX fucked up but they always treated me right!
You have a brother running American Express.. I think in the long term it was a great business decision for American Express I have both the American Express platinum , American Express Delta reserve and the Citi Prestige each card has a $450 annual fee
By far American Expresss is the best when it comes to customer service and perks for the card..
 
I have to agree I have both the American Express platinum , American Express Delta reserve and the Citi Prestige each card has a $450 annual fee
By far American Expresss is the best when it comes to customer service and perks for the card..
Hands down! I love my card....till that bill come in!
 
I got suckered into getting the citi card and I absolutely hate the company! Their customer service is atrocious! Try and call there fools with an issue and they treat you like you are calling about an EBT card. AMeX fucked up but they always treated me right!
I canceled those fuckers with the quickness got a better travel card with Marriott chase, and i never really saw the benefit of a Amex card unless i could get a black card.chuckle
 
I canceled those fuckers with the quickness got a better travel card with Marriott chase, and i never really saw the benefit of a Amex card unless i could get a black card.chuckle
I got the chase card, the capital one quick silver, forced to get the citi bullshit card, of all of them none compares to the Amex because of the points! Wife and I when to Vegas, used points for flight and hotel, earned crazy point on gas and food, we travel a lot earn more points on airfare and hotels. When I'm not happy with something they fall over themselves to make it right.... Nobody right now comes close!
 
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You have a brother running American Express.. I think in the long term it was a great business decision for American Express I have both the American Express platinum , American Express Delta reserve and the Citi Prestige each card has a $450 annual fee
By far American Expresss is the best when it comes to customer service and perks for the card..

You pay $450 for an annual fee?
 
You pay $450 for an annual fee?
Yes and no... It's a trick to the cards... Delta reserve card is a business card so that 450 is a full tax write off ... The AMEX platinum has a lot of perks which makes the card value.. I just recently got the citi prestige card 4 months ago but I will cancel the card in April of 2017 and switch over to the costco card at no charge and no credit check...

With the Citi Card when you sign-up you get 50,000 thank you points which can be converted to $500 in cash or $750 in air travel on American airlines I think it's $500 on any other airline + $250 in flight credit +Three rounds of golf Complimentary membership to the American airlines admiral club + $100 credit for global entry + $85 for TSA , and in January you get another $250 in flight credit.. I do a lot of international travel so the TSA and global entry cards were a bonus.. Plus there are other perks..

The American Express platinum's offers similar perks...
 
Chase Sapphire Reserve - 100k Ultimate Reward Points w/$4k Spend in 3 Months - NOW LIVE! - $1650 in 1st Year Benefits

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100,000 bonus points after $4K spend in 3 months
3X points on travel and dining at restaurants
1 point per dollar spent on all other purchases
50% bonus when redeeming points through Chase Ultimate Rewards for airfare, hotels, car rentals and cruises
$300 Airline Credit (per calendar year)
Complimentary lounge access at over 900+ lounges
Global entry or TSA pre check credit of up to $100
Visa Infinite (NO $100 discount)
No Foreign Transaction Fees
$450 Annual Fee
$75 Authorized User Fee

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AMEX Platinum is worth it if u fly a lot...

if only for the lounge...

free food & drinks...& i`m not talking cheap shit...

i drink & eat way more than $450 ....and i fly at a minimum 20 times a yr...

i would say going and coming i maybe average about a $150 in food & drinks ...mostly drinks...them double goose n cran add up...lol
 
All AMEX in my house. but man that Costco change threw a major curve ball to my rewards plans.

Shit that
Chase Sapphire Reserve Card looks crazy

might I add what FICO score does one need to get approved? Is this for the 800 and up crowd only?
 
Chase Sapphire Reserve - 100k Ultimate Reward Points w/$4k Spend in 3 Months - NOW LIVE! - $1650 in 1st Year Benefits

https://creditcards.chase.com/credit-cards/chase-sapphire-reserve1

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Card Details

100,000 bonus points after $4K spend in 3 months
3X points on travel and dining at restaurants
1 point per dollar spent on all other purchases
50% bonus when redeeming points through Chase Ultimate Rewards for airfare, hotels, car rentals and cruises
$300 Airline Credit (per calendar year)
Complimentary lounge access at over 900+ lounges
Global entry or TSA pre check credit of up to $100
Visa Infinite (NO $100 discount)
No Foreign Transaction Fees
$450 Annual Fee
$75 Authorized User Fee

http://financebuzz.io/chase-sapphire-reserve-card-official

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Wow!!! 100k points I need to see the other perks
 
Yes and no... It's a trick to the cards... Delta reserve card is a business card so that 450 is a full tax write off ... The AMEX platinum has a lot of perks which makes the card value.. I just recently got the citi prestige card 4 months ago but I will cancel the card in April of 2017 and switch over to the costco card at no charge and no credit check...

With the Citi Card when you sign-up you get 50,000 thank you points which can be converted to $500 in cash or $750 in air travel on American airlines I think it's $500 on any other airline + $250 in flight credit +Three rounds of golf Complimentary membership to the American airlines admiral club + $100 credit for global entry + $85 for TSA , and in January you get another $250 in flight credit.. I do a lot of international travel so the TSA and global entry cards were a bonus.. Plus there are other perks..

The American Express platinum's offers similar perks...

Smart man. I downgraded my Plat to a PRG (have 2), but my global entry will last till next year. PRG seems more rewarding to me. I also have an SPG personal and business card, Hilton reserve (i use it to buy bestbuy gift cards and eBay from Stop and Shop) and an old OBC card that still earns 5% cash back on drugstore purchases. All this added up to about roughly $700 in annual fees, but let me tell you, the rewards can't be matched. Only thing i don't agree with is the Amex Delta reserve. I hope you fly Delta enough to actually make it worthwhile. Delta has recently dismantled their award charts (the one they don't let you see) again and award flights now require even more sky miles. AA and Alaska seems more of a stable fit for me. With Alaska, i can fly Emirates from AUH - LON for 20k Alaska miles in economy and 40k saver miles in business and/or first, depending on the metal they use for the flight. Thats a fantastic value if you know how to navigate the award charts. Check out Alaska's credit card from BOA (i hate BOA, but love Alaska). One more thing, if you ever get the card, don't even use it to fly Alaska air in economy, you'll hate your life lol.
 
Shit that
Chase Sapphire Reserve Card looks crazy

might I add what FICO score does one need to get approved? Is this for the 800 and up crowd only?
This card just became available with the 100k bonus offer 10 days ago - there's no telling how long they will keep this sweet offer alive before lowering the bonus so act NOW if you think you can qualify. I've seen lots of online reports of people in the low 700s getting approved.

Those 100k Chase Ultimate Rewards points are transferable to over a dozen travel oriented partners like United (worth FOUR round trip flights at 25/k each) and Hyatt (most Hyatt Places are only 5k/night = 20 nights) . Earlier this month I spent two nights at the full service Hyatt Regency in Morristown, NJ at a cost of 8k points/night instead of $189/night, so those 16k/points had a value to me of over $400 after taxes. Top floor, free wifi/parking, breakfast buffets, 4pm checkout - very nice!

And don't let the $450 annual fee scare you - that $300 airline credit on the card can be used now in 2016 and again in 2017. Accept all of the benefit and just cancel at renewal time and you are still WAY ahead.
:money:
 
This card just became available with the 100k bonus offer 10 days ago - there's no telling how long they will keep this sweet offer alive before lowering the bonus so act NOW if you think you can qualify. I've seen lots of online reports of people in the low 700s getting approved.

Those 100k Chase Ultimate Rewards points are transferable to over a dozen travel oriented partners like United (worth FOUR round trip flights at 25/k each) and Hyatt (most Hyatt Places are only 5k/night = 20 nights) . Earlier this month I spent two nights at the full service Hyatt Regency in Morristown, NJ at a cost of 8k points/night instead of $189/night, so those 16k/points had a value to me of over $400 after taxes. Top floor, free wifi/parking, breakfast buffets, 4pm checkout - very nice!

And don't let the $450 annual fee scare you - that $300 airline credit on the card can be used now in 2016 and again in 2017. Accept all of the benefit and just cancel at renewal time and you are still WAY ahead.
:money:


only thing i dont like about it u have to charge 4 g`s in 3 months...

i`m trying to think what the fuck i need ..?

i could paint one of the whips...update my kitchen.... thats about 4 g`s....hmmm i might do it...
 
i like this 2....


Your points are worth 50% more
When you redeem for travel through Chase Ultimate Rewards.*


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Amex fucked up. Amex was my main card of use in Costco just for the reward points alone. Even more so the automatic warranty you get when buying appliances and electronics with Amex. :angry: It was good while it lasted. Fuck it's I'll have to use punk ass Visa.
 
only thing i dont like about it u have to charge 4 g`s in 3 months...

i`m trying to think what the fuck i need ..?

i could paint one of the whips...update my kitchen.... thats about 4 g`s....hmmm i might do it...
I've got some insurance bills due which will cover most of my minimum spending. The easiest route is to just buy some Visa Gift Cards from Office Depot. Don't forget Black Friday and the holidays are coming up within the next 3 months. Here are eight tried and true methods to meet your minimum spend:

1. Plan Ahead for Big Spending.

Get a new card when you know you’ve got a big expense coming up. You know you’re putting a down payment on a new car in a few months? Most car dealerships will let you charge that on your credit card.

Bam! Minimum spend achieved. (Note: Don’t do this unless you have the money to pay it off right away.)

2. Use Online Payment Systems.

Put away your checkbook. Various online payment systems like Amazon, Paypal and Square will let you use your credit card to make payments to other individuals.

Can’t pay for your rent with your credit card? Ask your landlord if he or she would be willing to accept your payment via a money transfer service that lets you use a credit card.

3. Charge and Automate Everything.

Utilities, insurance, doctors’ bills, cable payments—nearly every service company will now accept payment by credit card. One reader recently shared how she pays her university tuition each semester on a new credit card to meet her minimum spend in order to earn enough points and miles for free travel during spring break.

4. Max Out Shopping Season.

Consider how to max out on miles during periods when you are doing the most shopping, like back to school and winter holidays. While you should never buy things you don’t need just to meet a minimum spend, it’s smart to strategically apply for a new credit card in the fall to cover all the spending you’ll already be doing between Thanksgiving and the New Year.

Tip: Shop from stores where you can maximize bonus miles per dollar. For example, if you’re working towards meeting the minimum on the Chase Ink Plus, head to office supply stores to receive 5x bonus points per dollar spent.

5. Prepay Bills or Purchase Gift Cards.

If you’ve got enough in the bank to float yourself a small loan, consider pre-paying bills or other upcoming expenses. Buying gift cards for stores and restaurants you frequent, like Starbucks, Home Depot, or your local supermarket is an easy way to pre-pay for expenses you know you’ll have in the month after you meet your minimum.

6. Get Reimbursed for Other People’s Purchases.

Poll your friends and family members to see if they have big purchases coming up. Offer to pay for big ticket work expenses like travel and let your office reimburse you. Pick up the bill at a big dinner and let your friends give you the cash. (But always be sure to collect the money at time of purchase or before your bill comes due).

7. Give.

Consolidate your annual charitable giving and make tax deductible donations during your 90 day minimum spend window. Non-profits are happy to take your money by credit card.

Tax deduction achieved! Minimum spend achieved!

8. Invest.

If you have a higher tolerance for risk, consider making investments with an online trading company l that allows you to pay with a credit card to buy online stocks online.

Alternatively, fund a micro-business through a charitable organization like Kiva. In both cases you can eventually cash out your investment (but be sure to have enough in your bank account to pay off your card balance while you’re waiting).

If you put just a few of these tips into practice with a little bit of creativity, you’ll reach your minimum spend and be enjoying your big bonus in no time.

http://cardsfortravel.com/credit-101-meeting-minimum-spend/
 
Haven't used the new Citi Costco card for Costco purchase as Chase Freedom has ran 5% cash back at Costco since July and it continues until September (some places say it goes to the end of the year). I spend a lot at Costco so that works well enough like for me right now.
 
Amex fucked up. Amex was my main card of use in Costco just for the reward points alone. Even more so the automatic warranty you get when buying appliances and electronics with Amex. :angry: It was good while it lasted. Fuck it's I'll have to use punk ass Visa.
It's trash! Outside of the zero apr u r going to hate them compared to Amex!
 
The difference between the two models is immediately obvious when you compare their respective profitability. Over the past 12 months, American Express has generated a 24% return on equity, according to YCharts.com. Citigroup's return on equity over the same period, by contrast, was a mere 8.5%.
Yep, this is the proble most companies face in a greedy capitalist country. Profits above service.

Fuck you negroes in this thread with good credit. Don't you have to have A+ credit for AMEX?

Amex is no joke I had a bk on my credit report and my score was well over 700 and they still would not give me one until that shit dropped off. My denials used to be instantaneous. Lol

Haven't used the new Citi Costco card for Costco purchase as Chase Freedom has ran 5% cash back at Costco since July and it continues until September (some places say it goes to the end of the year). I spend a lot at Costco so that works well enough like for me right now.

Yep when you activate oct-Dec you will get the 5% back as well. I been killing that I spend a minimum of $300 a month at Costco on various shit. I've earned $75 in cash back since activating in July.
 
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AMEX Platinum is worth it if u fly a lot...

if only for the lounge...

free food & drinks...& i`m not talking cheap shit...

i drink & eat way more than $450 ....and i fly at a minimum 20 times a yr...

i would say going and coming i maybe average about a $150 in food & drinks ...mostly drinks...them double goose n cran add up...lol

This. You get a lot of perks, free global entry, $200 dollars on Delta to buy shit, Gold Upgrades with car rental and hotels. :yes:
 
The Big Costco Credit Card Switcheroo

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For years, if Costco customers wanted to shop with a credit card, the retail giant required them to pay with an American Express card. But as of Monday, the giant big-box retailer and its 81 million customers are switching over to AmEx's rival, Visa.

Why should anybody care? Well, if you don't shop at Costco, there's probably not much reason. But, if you are one of the millions of Americans who like to buy 12-packs of paper-towel rolls or 30-pound boxes of frozen beef patties, then here's what you need to know:


    • Your old Costco AmEx card won't work anymore starting today — at Costco or anywhere else.
    • The rewards points will transfer over to the new card. (Oh, and your balances will transfer over, too.)
    • Costco says there are no additional fees related to the switch.
    • The new cards won't offer the roadside assistance service that the old cards did.
    • Costco says there will be benefits with the new cards — for one thing, 4 percent cash back on gasoline.
    • As part of the shift to a Costco Visa card, the big box store will now accept any type of Visa-branded credit card. You don't have to use your Costco-branded Visa card to shop there.
How many people might this change affect? Costco says it has 81 million customers/members who bought $114 billion worth of stuff at Costco last year. By the way, if you ever wondered just how many Costco stores there are in the country and the world, in its latest annual report, Costco says it now has 698 warehouse stores across the U.S., Canada, Mexico, the U.K., Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Australia and Spain.

Another Big Merchant Dumps American Express

If you’ve got a Costco American Express card, things will be getting a little roomier in your wallet next year. Costco is ending its 16-year relationship with the credit-card provider and is seeking a new partnership, though it’s not clear yet which lucky card will be the winner. The Costco AmEx will be discontinued, and the card will no longer be accepted in the warehouses.

It’s fair to say that this has been a terrible month for American Express.

It also lost a partnership with JetBlue and, even worse, an important court case. American Express cards are more expensive for merchants to take than other cards, so merchants would like to ask customers to use other cards -- only they can’t, because American Express merchant agreements forbid this. They can refuse to take the cards in the first place, of course, but then they lose customers who don’t have a Visa or MasterCard.


American Express has taken a unique approach to a competitive field. Credit cards are what economists call a “two-sided market”: They need to get both customers to take their cards and merchants to accept them. Visa and MasterCard keep their fees relatively low in order to woo merchants; AmEx has kept the fees high and passed some of that money back to customers in the form of lower fees and higher rewards. Essentially, it gambled that merchants wouldn’t dare refuse its cards as long as enough customers preferred to use them.

That gamble looks to have been a bad bet. A federal judge just ruled that it cannot place those sort of restrictions on merchants, which means American Express will have to lower its fees or lose transactions as merchants ask customers to put that purchase on another card. Lower fees will mean fewer rewards for customers. Unless it can get the decision reversed on appeal, the company is going to have to rework its entire strategy, and “compete with MasterCard and Visa on their own terms” may leave it in a much worse position than in its original plan.

I’ve seen a few premature obituaries written for the company, but I personally wouldn’t count it out just yet. American Express is one of the few companies that has managed to reinvent itself many times, as previously core businesses failed. It survived the nationalization of its original shipping business in part because it had been so innovative in travel and financial services; it survived the death of its traveler’s check business because it had been an early innovator in credit cards. It may yet find the innovation that will get it out of this current tailspin.

That’s not to downplay the formidable obstacles it has to overcome. American Express's whole credit-card business will have to be reinvented, and reinvention is hard for any company, even one with 160 years of innovation behind it. Maybe especially hard for one of those. Organizations calcify over time, and change gets harder and harder. The saga of American Express may yet have a third act. But it better be writing pretty fast.

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-02-23/american-express-gets-dumped-again

Why American Express Users Should Be Worried About Their Rewards

A recent court ruling against American Express could put the company's vaunted rewards program in danger.

AmEx cardholders, beware. A new court decision may have put your rewards in danger.

On Thursday, a federal judge ruled the credit card company had violated antitrust laws by preventing merchants from encouraging customers to use other cards. That may not sound like a big deal, but it could cost American Express billions of dollars over time and seriously curtail the services it can afford to provide its customers.

What’s behind all of this?

It comes down to something called interchange fees. For the last four years, American Express has been fighting with the Justice Department over how the company treats its merchants. Store owners must pay credit card companies an interchange fee—generally between 2% and 3% of an individual purchase—every time a customer swipes at checkout. The credit card companies take much of that money as profit, while also giving some portion of it back to cardholders in the form of cash back, airline miles, or other rewards.

American Express has historically charged higher interchange fees than Visa and MasterCard, making it theoretically able to give better rewards. That’s great for AmEx users, but not so great for store owners who would like to encourage their customers to pay with a different, less expensive card. Costco recently ended an exclusive relationship with AmEx due to cost concerns that likely included interchange fees.


American Express has thus far prevented this kind of revolt by specifically forbidding their merchants from giving cheaper cards special treatment, such as discounts, or even telling customers American Express is bad for their businesses. Thursday’s ruling says this kind of contract violates the law.

If the judge’s decision holds, Amex will likely be forced to charge lower interchange fees or risk merchants actively steering customers toward competitors. Less money for AmEx could in turn mean worse benefits for its users or higher membership fees to make up for interchange losses.

“Every time you start taking away from credit card companies they’re going to make it elsewhere,” says James Wester, a global research director at IDC specializing in payments. “If it’s not in higher [membership] fees, it may be in lower benefits or membership rewards.” He notes that the so-called “Durbin Amendment,” which limited debit card swipe fees, ultimately led to the demise of debit card benefits.

Some have argued lowering AmEx’s fees would be a boon for the general public, if not for American Express users themselves, because merchants would pass that savings on to the consumer through lower prices and/or discounts for those using cheaper cards. But the economics of that position don’t seem to hold up.

The difference between an Amex swipe fee and a Visa swipe fee is tiny, meaning any noticeable discount for users of low-fee cards would probably eat away any money the merchant would be saving. “It wouldn’t make sense to give 10% off a purchase if you’re saving 1% of an interchange fee,” says Matt Schultz, senior industry analyst at CreditCards.com.

Lower fees also don’t seem very likely to bring down in-store prices. “Retailers are seeing extra costs of their own these days with implementation with EMV terminals and extra technology for combating fraud,” adds Schultz. “Whether that money they would save on the interchange fees would end up coming back to the consumer, it’s hard to say.”

In the end, the ruling may simply transfer wealth from AmEx and its members to merchants and store owners with little impact on everyone else.

That said, don’t burn your American Express card just yet. While Judge Nicholas Garaufis did rule against AmEx, he didn’t impose his own solution. Instead, he essentially told the company and the Justice Department to figure out their own fix and come back to him later. It’s possible both parties will come to a compromise that doesn’t end up seriously reducing the company’s interchange fees.

AmEx has also said it will appeal the judge’s decision, meaning a true resolution to the whole affair is still far in the distance. “It’s certainly appealable,”said Steven Cernak, an antitrust lawyer at the law firm Schiff Hardin, who thinks another trial would take a year at minimum. “My guess is they will take another shot to convince a panel of three judges this judge got it wrong.”



http://time.com/money/3715951/american-express-interchange-fees-rewards/
 
Yep when you activate oct-Dec you will get the 5% back as well. I been killing that I spend a minimum of $300 a month at Costco on various shit. I've earned $75 in cash back since activating in July.


Bet. I have to buy tires next week so that another $50 (the damn tires are $259 a piece before rebate :puke:)
 
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