Yeah I don't know about Tommen, but I thought from Margaery's interactions with her brother and her Grandmother that she was just playing along.
Game Of Thrones: The Sopranos with swords or Dynasty in chainmail?
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Yeah I don't know about Tommen, but I thought from Margaery's interactions with her brother and her Grandmother that she was just playing along.
ya I edited that post like a million times...got too confusing w/ the rumors...plus you right about their extended family...fuck it
that I know but no one was predicting tommen's death last season tho...this season there are a lot of predictions leaning toward that...just wanted to ask him what makes him think it will happen this season if @ all...joffrey had enemies so that was predictable...the daughter was caught up in dorne when dude was killed and jaime was sent to rescue her so the threat of her death was there...but what clues are there this season that supports the prophecy will be fulfilled and tommen will die? was just tryna pick his brain...the rest of the prophecy as mentioned in the book has been discussed in here already so it's not really spoiling anything or should be considered a spoiler since it's out there
spoiler button that you shouldn't click if you haven't been tracking spoilers for season 6
the reason I asked is some ppl already know the spoilers and are making these "predictions" all of a sudden...looking back in the thread...not too many ppl if any predicted that tommen would die/kill himself until it was leaked so I wanted to see if dude actually had anything from this season that would support the prophecy playing out or just repeating what's already been leaked
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Right... But... Sansa did lie on his behalf in order for him to be Robyn Arryn's regent/guardian. That's why I dont think Sansa owes him anything... Like u said, he was running shit regardless but Sansa helped him win over the court of the Vale.
make no mistake she is on his hook- the real question is - is she smart enough to figure and maneuver a way off?
it never works like that
she lied for his benefit and can't undo it now
what can she do for him in the future is all that matters
that's true!
make no mistake she is on his hook- the real question is - is she smart enough to figure and maneuver a way off?
I wonder what reward she had/has in mind? I can't tell if she is still naive or becoming far more cunning faster than I can imagine
ya man I shouldn't have even posted that lol...got carried away...damian stone pointed that out
I'm thinking Jamie not taking that sword back from Brienne when the white walkers show up since it's one of the only Valaryian steel swords around.
good reminder clip...I forget how battle-tested jon truly is...watching his and dany's rise is incredible...interesting to see what will happen if/when they meet
Sansa was the reason he had to do that anyways, if Little Finger hadnt saved her he would have been married to the Lady of the Vale and be running shit
Karl Tanner. Styr the Thenn. A White Walker. Jon earned his stripes.
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come on now Jon got his ass whooped and the only reason he was able to win was because of his sword
Point is that he's faced greater competition than just random Wildlings and low-born soldiers. Who else in the show has had to grind as hard as he has?
the poor majority.
Petr had snuck off and married Lysa which is whyshe flipped on Sansa... Remember... Lord Royce and that old broad were ready to make LF take the Nestea Plunge out the moon door and LF didn't expect Sansa to lie on his behalf. My point is... Even after the battle... I don't see how Sansa could owe him anything... He got the Vale and she got her home back... Now... That doesn't mean a hill of beans... We are all slaves to the Martin.
let's not forgot/belittle dany
You sound like Bernie Sparrow now!
Dany has never put in work herself. Jorah Mormont, Khal Drogo, Barristan Selmy, Daario, Grey Worm, Tyrion, Varys, and those dragons.........that's who deserves credit for Dany's rise. I guess she gets credit for burning the Khal leaders herself, but that's about it.
smh
so then jon never put in much work for himself neither if that's the game you're playing...he had the nite's watch...including specific nite's watch men all whom I don't have time to name...stannis' army...the wildlings...the onion king...the red witch...sansa...knights of the vale...cmon man
Game of Thrones’ "Battle of the Bastards" looked great, but it didn’t make any damn sense
Updated by Matthew Yglesias
June 22, 2016, 9:00 a.m.
Since when is Ramsay Bolton such a military genius?
Matthew Yglesias: "Battle of the Bastards" is an exciting episode of television, especially from the standpoint of technical virtuosity, but as a piece of writing and storytelling it strikes me as borderline disastrous.
The biggest problem, to my mind, is the portrayal of Ramsay Bolton as some kind of tactical genius (not to mention Westeros’s greatest marksman). Everything we’ve seen of the character — and we have seen far too much of him — suggests he is an out-of-control sadist with no ability to restrain his vile appetites.
All he had to do to consolidate House Bolton’s control of the North back in season five was, you know, not rape and torture Sansa Stark. He didn’t have to stop raping and torturing people in general — just leave that one person alone — but he didn’t, because he can’t. Nor could he restrain himself from keeping Theon Greyjoy around as a psychologically shattered pet. That all blew up in his face, and as a result there's an army of thousands, including a giant and powerful sorceress, at the gates of Winterfell.
But now suddenly he’s a brilliant commander, despite a total lack of training, who can count on a loyal and well-disciplined army, even though he seized power by blatantly murdering his father and brother.
What’s most egregious is that presenting Ramsay as such a strong commander seemed unnecessary to hit the basic beats of the story. It was already well-established that the Bolton army was twice as big as the Stark army. What’s more, the Boltons had more horses. They also had the advantage of fighting on a prepared battlefield their forces were more familiar with, and the support of a well-supplied castle.
The stage was perfectly set for a battle in which the superior leadership of Jon Snow, Davos, and Tormund Giantsbane led a badly outnumbered force to hold its own beforenearly succumbing to the inexorable math of Bolton superiority until being rescued by the Knights of the Vale.
Instead we got Jon riding headlong into an obvious trap, Davos letting a mounted force be inexplicably encircled by pikemen, and Sansa forgetting(?) to mention that she’d ravened a letter to Littlefinger and a bunch of extra guys are heading their way.
Also, remember when Melisandre could birth demon assassins to help her favored side win battles? That skill would have been useful here, eh? Or maybe she could have deployed some kind of glamour to make it look like the wildlings had a couple dozen giants and terrify the Bolton troops into breaking ranks and fleeing?
She and Jon even had a conversation where they specifically discussed her magical powers. It would have been an ideal time for Jon to ask for help and for Melisandre to come up with some in-story excuse for why she couldn’t help. What’s a pre-battle chat for if not a little expository dialogue to set things up?
As Todd wrote last week, Game of Thrones’ writers are doing an excellent job of cutting some of the logistical knots that George R.R. Martin has written himself into. If the plot calls for the Greyjoys to show up in Meereen, their ships just show up in Meereen without the need for a 90-part exploration of the journey. But at times I feel the writers lose sight of what the story is about.
Why dwell so long across so many seasons on Ramsay’s stomach-turning pathology if it’s not going to play any meaningful role in his downfall?
http://www.vox.com/2016/6/22/11977800/game-of-thrones-battle-bastards-poorly-written-ramsay
Yeah, but....the North remembers. The KoV will stand with Jon before they let LF be their king. Tommen ain't got pull for this anymore, even with Bernie. Circe dead next week. Sansa might marry him, but trust me he gon fly. Sansa hate him and she's goin down the list just like her sister, Arya. Jon might even be on her list. Wouldn't it be some shit if Jon turned out to be a Barratheon?
Game of Thrones explains why Jon Snow's direwolf missed the 'Battle of the Bastards'
By Amon Warmann 4 days ago
WARNING: This article is dark and full of spoilers.
Game of Thrones' epic 'Battle of the Bastards' had almost everything; Daenerys' fire-breathing dragons, Jon Snow going on a one-man killing spree, and the oh so satisfying death of Ramsay Bolton. One fan-favourite character who was noticeably absent however was Jon's direwolf Ghost, but the episode’s director Miguel Sapochnik has a good reason for leaving him out:
"[Ghost] was in there in spades originally, but it’s also an incredibly time consuming and expensive character to bring to life", Sapochnik told Business Insider. "Ultimately we had to choose between Wun-Wun and the direwolf, so the dog bit the dust".
"Anything with the giant is a challenge", continued Sapochnik, "because he's not there, and you have to shoot multiple layers for each shot, and get extras to react to something that doesn't exist, and then shoot the actual giant played by Ian Whyte months later on a green screen stage".
For those who may not recognize the name, Wun-Wun is the wildling giant who assists and ultimately gives his life for Jon during the battle for Winterfell. Here's hoping that the character's unfortunate fate means that more time and money could be devoted to giving Ghost - one of the few living direwolves - a little more screen time in future episodes.
Season 6 of Game of Thrones airs Sundays on HBO in the US, and Sky Atlantic on Mondays in the UK.
http://www.gamesradar.com/game-of-t...s-direwolf-missed-the-battle-of-the-bastards/
By Amon Warmann 4 days ago
WARNING: This article is dark and full of spoilers.
Game of Thrones' epic 'Battle of the Bastards' had almost everything; Daenerys' fire-breathing dragons, Jon Snow going on a one-man killing spree, and the oh so satisfying death of Ramsay Bolton. One fan-favourite character who was noticeably absent however was Jon's direwolf Ghost, but the episode’s director Miguel Sapochnik has a good reason for leaving him out:
"[Ghost] was in there in spades originally, but it’s also an incredibly time consuming and expensive character to bring to life", Sapochnik told Business Insider. "Ultimately we had to choose between Wun-Wun and the direwolf, so the dog bit the dust".
"Anything with the giant is a challenge", continued Sapochnik, "because he's not there, and you have to shoot multiple layers for each shot, and get extras to react to something that doesn't exist, and then shoot the actual giant played by Ian Whyte months later on a green screen stage".
For those who may not recognize the name, Wun-Wun is the wildling giant who assists and ultimately gives his life for Jon during the battle for Winterfell. Here's hoping that the character's unfortunate fate means that more time and money could be devoted to giving Ghost - one of the few living direwolves - a little more screen time in future episodes.
Season 6 of Game of Thrones airs Sundays on HBO in the US, and Sky Atlantic on Mondays in the UK.
http://www.gamesradar.com/game-of-t...s-direwolf-missed-the-battle-of-the-bastards/
When has Dany ever confronted anyone one-on-one without one of the people I mentioned or a dragon by her side? Has she shown the bravery of a Yara or Brienne or Arya or the subtle manipulation of a Margaery? Point is that she hasn't shown that she can handle herself alone. She hasn't even shown why people should follow her. Her only power is that she looks good and she keeps running across people who want to marry her or fuck her, Yara included!
Game of Thrones’ "Battle of the Bastards" looked great, but it didn’t make any damn sense
Updated by Matthew Yglesias
June 22, 2016, 9:00 a.m.
Since when is Ramsay Bolton such a military genius?
Matthew Yglesias: "Battle of the Bastards" is an exciting episode of television, especially from the standpoint of technical virtuosity, but as a piece of writing and storytelling it strikes me as borderline disastrous.
The biggest problem, to my mind, is the portrayal of Ramsay Bolton as some kind of tactical genius (not to mention Westeros’s greatest marksman). Everything we’ve seen of the character — and we have seen far too much of him — suggests he is an out-of-control sadist with no ability to restrain his vile appetites.
All he had to do to consolidate House Bolton’s control of the North back in season five was, you know, not rape and torture Sansa Stark. He didn’t have to stop raping and torturing people in general — just leave that one person alone — but he didn’t, because he can’t. Nor could he restrain himself from keeping Theon Greyjoy around as a psychologically shattered pet. That all blew up in his face, and as a result there's an army of thousands, including a giant and powerful sorceress, at the gates of Winterfell.
But now suddenly he’s a brilliant commander, despite a total lack of training, who can count on a loyal and well-disciplined army, even though he seized power by blatantly murdering his father and brother.
What’s most egregious is that presenting Ramsay as such a strong commander seemed unnecessary to hit the basic beats of the story. It was already well-established that the Bolton army was twice as big as the Stark army. What’s more, the Boltons had more horses. They also had the advantage of fighting on a prepared battlefield their forces were more familiar with, and the support of a well-supplied castle.
The stage was perfectly set for a battle in which the superior leadership of Jon Snow, Davos, and Tormund Giantsbane led a badly outnumbered force to hold its own beforenearly succumbing to the inexorable math of Bolton superiority until being rescued by the Knights of the Vale.
Instead we got Jon riding headlong into an obvious trap, Davos letting a mounted force be inexplicably encircled by pikemen, and Sansa forgetting(?) to mention that she’d ravened a letter to Littlefinger and a bunch of extra guys are heading their way.
Also, remember when Melisandre could birth demon assassins to help her favored side win battles? That skill would have been useful here, eh? Or maybe she could have deployed some kind of glamour to make it look like the wildlings had a couple dozen giants and terrify the Bolton troops into breaking ranks and fleeing?
She and Jon even had a conversation where they specifically discussed her magical powers. It would have been an ideal time for Jon to ask for help and for Melisandre to come up with some in-story excuse for why she couldn’t help. What’s a pre-battle chat for if not a little expository dialogue to set things up?
As Todd wrote last week, Game of Thrones’ writers are doing an excellent job of cutting some of the logistical knots that George R.R. Martin has written himself into. If the plot calls for the Greyjoys to show up in Meereen, their ships just show up in Meereen without the need for a 90-part exploration of the journey. But at times I feel the writers lose sight of what the story is about.
Why dwell so long across so many seasons on Ramsay’s stomach-turning pathology if it’s not going to play any meaningful role in his downfall?
http://www.vox.com/2016/6/22/11977800/game-of-thrones-battle-bastards-poorly-written-ramsay
A lot of bullshit here. That episode was a perfect summation of Ramsay's character.
1. By the writer's logic, Robb Stark shouldn't have been winning the battles in the first three seasons. He had no experience on the battlefield. Ramsay actually was known to have skills on the battlefield, which is why Roose Bolton sent him to take Winterfell in the first place. He was also known to play games and be sadistic - a trait that Roose repeatedly warned him to keep in check.
2. Jon rode headlong into a trap because that was part of Ramsay's game. Should Jon have sit back while Ramsay made Rickon run while shooting arrows at him? Tactically (and if he'd listened to Sansa), perhaps he should have. But part of Ramsay's game was to see if Jon would come try rescue Rickon. And we know Jon is all heart anyway.
3. Melisandre has to fuck someone with the blood of a king in order to birth a shadow-demon. She tried before with Jon and he rebuffed her. She knew he was too "honorable" for her to try to seduce him again. And when has Melisandre ever shown extensive magical "glamour" abilities on the battlefield?
4. Part of Ramsay's "stomach-turning pathology" was toying with Rickon and then later slaughtering his own soldiers to build a wall of bodies.
People evidently forgot the first couple of minutes of this scene. Ramsay shows his knowledge as a tactician, but Roose has to check him about the consequences of his decisions.
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