Actually I thought this was about that fat, hating, coon ass nigga Barkley hating on LeBron but carry on. I'm just not a fan of the Jordan LeBron debate because LeBron has established himself in a class all on his own.
Charles Barkley: LeBron James will never be a top-five NBA great
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Actually I thought this was about that fat, hating, coon ass nigga Barkley hating on LeBron but carry on. I'm just not a fan of the Jordan LeBron debate because LeBron has established himself in a class all on his own.
Maybe, maybe not. But, I think GSW/Kerr learned a lesson. Including Curry's wife. Keep your mouth shut and play ball. And never openly question the integrity of the refs.
Obviously it isnt proof.
We are debating sports and legacies. There is no 'proof' here, just opinions backed by facts. Are you new to this?
I just gave you my opinion, and backed it up. Why are you so scared to give yours? You been playing devils advocate the whole way, not backing shit up.
You just quoted my opinion.
His proof is those teams played against and lost to Michael Jordan so that makes them "great" and better than any World champs that come afterwards. A very weak argument to prop teams who couldnt get it done over those who actually have.
Did you miss the part about backing it up?
An old Stockton can get into his head based on what? You can do better then that.
Lol, it's an opinion. I didn't say he actually would. Based on the fact that Curry let LeBron get into his head. And both GP and Stockton have been known to frustrate opposing point guards
Because teams dont usually fall apart like GS did; its real simple; Yes Cavs made plays and responded well; but lets not act like GS didnt just flat out choke; They miss so many open shots it was ridiculous; Harrison Barnes was 5-32 the last 5 games; think about that for a min;
Reread the entire post; If one was reading you would clearly understand what I meant; its not rocket science...
What you say King?
That nigga folded like a piece of paper? Lol
shit is sad that Jordan is Teflon these days. amazing how fans decide who to pick and choose to give a pass to.
If he chooses, Bron can play for another 8 or 9 years and break every meaningful NBA record that exists. Then what can anybody say?
That nigga folded like a piece of paper? Lol
Lead his team in scoring, assists, and steals and was second in rebounding. That Bulls teams just wasn't fucking with the Pistons. That Pistons' team was a phantom call away from being the first championship team of a 3-peat team. I'm biased like a muthafucka but that's a top 5 team of all time.
Naw. Only people that really hate Lebron will try to ride that out. He's going to have titles, MVPs, Finals MVPs, and his overall stats are just going to be stupid.
Now this is something I've been talking about for several years now... people have no fucking idea just how stupid his stats are going to be if he plays at a reasonable rate over the next 5-6 years and doesn't suffer a major injury. Just pro-rate those stats out... his regular season and playoffs ranking in all the major categories are going to be crazy.
I kind of feel like once you get to 3 NBA titles where you the clear leader, there is only so much you can knock someone for losing some too. It's clear the dude is a winner...not like he's Wilt or Jerry West with a bunch of numbers but not the significant hardware to match up with it.
Lebron gets passes too. Right?
Im specifically speaking on Game 5. He only scored 25 and didnt score in the 4th. He was the MVP, DPOY, and scoring leader and played small in the elimination game. Detroit hadnt won anything yet either.
In Jordans 1st retirement press conference Reinsdorf called MJ "the Babe Ruth of basketball". I think thats an accurate description. His myth and legend supercedes the actual player. He's a brand, an idea if you will. And people value that more than his actual accomplishments. If we can put a context on his losses ("his opponent was unbeatable blah blah") we can put a context on his chips (only won with Phil and Scottie, 2 HOFers, didnt come close without them)
That's not true. In game 5, he actually scored the first points in the 4th quarter.. free throws on a drive. I was at that game. I bet if you go look it up, you'll see it. He scored 5 in the 4th... still underwhelming, though. The idea that Jordan was just always molly whopping on everyone is not true. We were a much better team than them at this point..no marginal but way better. We could contain Jordan.. keeping him at or slightly below his averages for the most part and our team was too good defensively for anyone else to do shit.. Pippen was still smedium Pippen at that point.
We lost in game 7 of the NBA Finals. Then we won the next two years. That was a really good team.
Jordan needed the triple post offense to fully dominate. In that way, you could get away with having average PGs and Cs and still win. Jordan playing from the perimeter wasn't a dominant Jordan like the one from the post. You could in theory contain that by just swarming him and killing him once he hit the paint (that's what the Pistons did). Once he fully bought into the triple post offense and was a guard playing from the post, the Bulls could excel (plus the team just got better with personnel additions). You could control pace with him as the primary post player.
I think what makes Lebron unique is that you can put multiple types of teams around him and he can win with them. Jordan never got that opportunity in his prime, but I think you have limitations regardless. Lebron is just way too versatile. You can do so much with him on the court and that really gives you options in terms of the type of players you can put around him... for instance, last year, he played without Kyrie and Love and still pushed that series to 6 games. They lost the finals, but that was a fucking amazing performance man...amazing.
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I know
I never brought him up in this discussion. I'm not even going there. That'll be another 20 pages.
Not directly. But I know what you mean. You always said Kobe is better than Jordan.
One thing about you that I appreciate is you are passionate in making your case but never disrespectful.
Plus my nickname was Tim growing up.
You are cool
Nah, I might have said he was better than LeBron (at that time), but not Jordan. That's just dumb. And i was never a Jordan fan.
So we really don't want to go to the 40 point blowout performance in a game 7.
I do remember the Pacers/Lakers series when Shaw fouled out. Kobe told Shaq ,"I got this".
I think Kobe scored 8 straight points to seal the win.
He lapped magic before these finals bruh
I don't think he needed this chip to pass that white boy bird.
You are cool dude.
Either way.
It's nice talking basketball in general
Better than those Fuckboys from ESPN
Dude
I'm from Chicago
Jordan is my favorite player
Jordan has not Done what we witnessing
Not saying Lebron is better
But Lebron is doing shit we have not seen
To lead both teams in five statistical categories is some other world shit
Love Reggie Miller.
8 points in 8 seconds. I watched it and thought the game was over. Then it was Miller time.
Steph is in a whole nother category.
I like when the game grows and evolves
I don't need the good old day
I like my three partition operating system note 4
Fuck dial up
Only in basketball does evolution not exist. No one argues a nextel chirp is as good or better than than Iphone6.
I also dont like the "tougher defenses competition" bullshit argument. Under that logic Glen Rice is better than LeBron because he faced tougher defenses and more top 50 players.
And they always assume guys that played well in that era would automatically dominate in this one.
nig jordan average 6 assist and 6 rebs juss like lebron.. in fact he average more steals and had the same block average.. the things people push as greatness for lebron is similar to jordan.. hell it is what it is posted the stat sheet that showed jordan had better fg percentage, 3pt percentage, free throw, points, steals, tied for blocks.. the only thing ur boy had over mj was 1 reb and 1 assist..so if jordan is juss a volume scorer what does that make lebron that only led in 2 categories over him.. it's fu nny how u went mia when he pointed that stat sheet out..u post wrong opinions nigs post facts than u go ghost
kj would've gave that boy curry the bizz also..magic vs curry lmao need i say more.. it's funny queen t says bulls wouldn't beat the warriors..the sameteam that lost to the cavs and almost lost to okc.. according to him jordan, pippen, rodman, kukoc would lose to this yr okc squad, cavs squad, and gsw
especially when the that greatest of all time lebron only averages 17 points a game vs jason terry and barea..that was 1 of the best performances of alltime.. wilt never did that, jordan never did that, bird never did that..lebron is the greatest of alltime when only dropping 17 points per game vs the mavs, getting shutdown by has beens like iggy last year, and having young players horse him like kwahi.. lebron is the best..a higher losing percentage than winning in the finals..lebron is the best allowing kd to drop 30 a game on him..only the great 1's let a nig average more points per game on him than the league..lebron is the best..he leaves his franchise for some mysterious reason to go hop on another nigs team..lebron is the best
bird lost to the showtime dynasty, magic lost to the celtic dynasty, wilt lost to the celtic dynasty, lebron lost to alltime greats like jason terry, barea, iggy, kwahi..lebron is the best and lost to way greater comp..losing to bird, magic, russel, badboys is overrated when u face stiff comp like jason terry and barea and that is why lebron is the best to ever do it..like people said on here he's doin things that's never been done b4 like letting the mavs win their first chip and gsw..those guys never had a chip b4 lebron stepped on the court..that's why he's the best
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