Charles Barkley: LeBron James will never be a top-five NBA great

What do you have to go by to determine who was better? The teams record? How can you prove to me that GS was better than all the teams the bulls played? You gonna get all the players together and have them play against each other? Oh I know, you'll use stats to show me that it is impossible for GS to lose to the Jazz, Lakers, Suns, Sonics and Blazers. If stats is all you have to go by, that's not proof.

Well your eyes should be enough to tell you that but...

Does winning matter in any way to you?
 
The way guys respond when their backs are against the wall goes a very long way.

Explain to me why this sort of comeback has never been done before please.

MJ was down 3-1 to the Pistons in 88. Youtube the Game 5 of the series to see how he responded to his back against the wall in a pressure situation. He crumbled like a cookie.
 
What team did MJs Bulls beat that was better then those Warriors?

And I do think MJ should rank higher then James but this finals as an accomplishment stands above the rest.

The Bad Boys Pistons team that the Bulls beat would have had this warrior team afraid to take the court.

Curry would have had to defend either Isaiah, Dumars, or Aguirre. And if he ever even looked like he wanted to go into the lane...

:itsawrap:

Rodman would have locked down Dramond completely.

Pistons in 5.

Hell, the Lakers team in 91 would have beaten this Warriors team. They may have beaten the Bulls that year if Worthy didn't get hurt.
 
He wasnt even posed to be in a Game 7. You said all year Cavs had NO CHANCE. And after 2 games you was calling sweep. Jordan wouldve lost to this Warrior team.
You nor I dont know if MJ would have lost or not; lets stick to facts and not just state anything; I said Cavs would get swept if they continued to play like they did in games 1 and 2; Please learn to read and comprehend; I also said that GS would win in 6; clearly wrong; what were you saying when the Cavs were down 3-1 before green got suspended?????? Ill answer for you, not a got dam thing was coming out of your mouth!!!!; so again everyone, including you, have been wrong; Alot of things went right for the Cavs; and they made plays when they had to; And alot of things went wrong for GS; and they shit the bed when they had too....its real simple; stop with these MJ and LBJ comparisons; they are useless!!!!!!
 
He was down because this was an all time great team he was facing that was heavily favored. Even the Lakers and Celtics teams in the 80s were down in series before and went to Gane 7s. The fact the Bulls of the 90s never did is a testament to the weak comp they faced who never won nothing.

You cant name 1 Finals Jordan had better than this 1? Should be easy right? Bron makes dude look like your average volume scorer.
I used to think you were smart. But this right here.... So the bulls competition was just weak? Another example of you not looking at the other side. Maybe the bulls were just that good. How many people in the HOF were prevented from winning a ring because of this team. Now tell me how many potential HOFers has LeBron prevented? Think about that and then tell me the comp was weaker back then.

The bulls never needed to do it because they dominated. Are you crazy? For real. Stop typing, open your mind, and think logically.

So why did this great team not have a 3-1 lead last year? They were down 1-2. How is that possible?
 
The Bad Boys Pistons team that the Bulls beat would have had this warrior team afraid to take the court.

Curry would have had to defend either Isaiah, Dumars, or Aguirre. And if he ever even looked like he wanted to go into the lane...

:itsawrap:

Rodman would have locked down Dramond completely.

Pistons in 5.

Hell, the Lakers team in 91 would have beaten this Warriors team. They may have beaten the Bulls that year if Worthy didn't get hurt.

I agree if its 80s rules. But if its by the "flagrant foul" rules Jordan had created in 1990 they would not. And none of the teams Jordan saw in a Final could beat this Warrior team.
 
The way guys respond when their backs are against the wall goes a very long way.

Explain to me why this sort of comeback has never been done before please.
Explain to me why it needed to be done now. See my point? Here is so great, right, why be in that hole to begin with. Jordan never put himself in that position.
 
Eewwl I told you prior to Game 7 that the new argument when LeBron won was that GS was overrated and not that good. I rest my case.
 
Well your eyes should be enough to tell you that but...

Does winning matter in any way to you?
So upsets don't happen? The team with a better record has never lost to a team with a lesser record? I'm still waiting on proof on how this GS team is better than the teams three bulls played. Where's the proof?
 
The Bad Boys Pistons team that the Bulls beat would have had this warrior team afraid to take the court.

Curry would have had to defend either Isaiah, Dumars, or Aguirre. And if he ever even looked like he wanted to go into the lane...

:itsawrap:

Rodman would have locked down Dramond completely.

Pistons in 5.

Hell, the Lakers team in 91 would have beaten this Warriors team. They may have beaten the Bulls that year if Worthy didn't get hurt.
Man, my man Rodman would be singing like this after Green got through with him..
 
So upsets don't happen? The team with a better record has never lost to a team with a lesser record? I'm still waiting on proof on how this GS team is better than the teams three bulls played. Where's the proof

Best team always win a 7 game series.
Going by your logic one could imply the 93 Suns and 92 Blazers were better than those Bulls teams. They were just upset. :rolleyes:
Still waiting on Jordans Finals performance better than this 1? Cmon man just give us 1. You scared?
 
You clearly dont know how to read; Go back and reread the post; Nothing you said makes any sense; Not once did I say in the post I just posted, that the reason why GS lost was because green wasnt there; I didnt even mention Bogut; You sir clearly miss the point were reading is fundamental; Please reread and stop trying to carry on a debate, when nobody is debating...

I see you editied your post so that you said he WASN'T the reason they loss. I quoted your original post sir, you need to proof read before you post reply.
 
Best team always win a 7 game series.
Going by your logic one could imply the 93 Suns and 92 Blazers were better than those Bulls teams. They were just upset. :rolleyes:
Still waiting on Jordans Finals performance better than this 1? Cmon man just give us 1. You scared?
Deflection. Point is, we can say the bulls were better than those teams because they played each other. GS has no way of playing those teams, so there is no proof that they are better.

And go back to my other post, I already said why Jordan didn't have those stats. And why he didn't need those stats. But just to entertain you further, look at his stats against the Sun's. Didn't even need seven games.
 
LeBron is better than the myth of Jordan.

In 93 Finals Jordan averaged 41 a game and led all players in steals. He was 4th in rebounds, 3rd in assists, and 8th on blocks. Thats his best Finals but aside from scoring he didnt dominate anything else. He was no LeBron. :smh:
 
LeBron is better than the myth of Jordan.

In 93 Finals Jordan averaged 41 a game and led all players in steals. He was 4th in rebounds, 3rd in assists, and 8th on blocks. Thats his best Finals but aside from scoring he didnt dominate anything else. He was no LeBron. :smh:
He wasn't down 1-3, and didn't need a game seven. Why was LeBron in that position? You said great teams win game sevens, do it can't be that GS was great, it else they would have won. That's your logic.
 
He wasn't down 1-3, and didn't need a game seven. Why was LeBron in that position? You said great teams win game sevens, do it can't be that GS was great, it else they would have won. That's your logic.

Bron led all categories all series. And I said great teams have gone to Game 7s.

Jordan was a great scorer but aside from that he was ok at everything else. He had teammates who were better rebounders, passers, 3pt shooters, and defenders. He wasnt LeBron and never will be. And thats ok. But a scorer can never be seen as greater than a multi dimensional threat.
 
Eewwl I told you prior to Game 7 that the new argument when LeBron won was that GS was overrated and not that good. I rest my case.

I don't know how a defending champion that won 73 games can be overrated. A lot of cognitive dissonance going on here. With Love playing like ass, it was going to take a nearly perfect series from Lebron and then some help to pull it off. Lebron goes on to lead both teams in scoring, rebounding, assists, steals, and blocks.

Even if you look at the game 7 calls from the "experts", like 80 percent of the analysts had the Warriors winning.

Shit... I picked the Cavs in 6 because I didn't think they would beat the Warriors at home in a game 7.
 
So why was LeBron down to a team that's not great, and why did he need seven games?

Didnt say they werent great said the better team won.

Is that what argument us reduced to? Misquoting me and strawman? :lol:

Told yall the Jordan myths are weak.
 
I swear I don't hate the Warriors at all but I honestly believe there are more people that hate LeBron than Warriors fans in the entire world. Everyone knows the basketball team of California is the Los Angeles Lakers. And you can see this now that people are calling LeBron a snitch or a cry baby or this or that. But they never talk about what went wrong for their team, it's always someone else fault I seen a few people on here with an unbiased point of view saying that golden state shit the bed but even they are hesitant to acknowledge the immortal finals perferomace by LeBron. The fact that he did so much with just Kyrie as help cannot be ignored and will be talked about forever. It's laughable to compair him to Wilkins,Bird,Malone or any of those cats.

The same people that arw talking shit will look at a Kobe and laud his killer instinct while ignoring him fucking up a Finals by not passing to a three times finals MVP.

Ignore fucking up a 3-1 series lead with a key player suspended for a game on the opposing team , and then refusing to shoot because teammates wanted to get involved.

The same people calling Bron weak will ignore Kobe destroying a storied franchise playoff hopes by taking a max salary, turning off free agents that wanted to play there, and to top it off, barely played the last three seasons.

These people claim to love basketball but the truth is they seem to lack independent thinking.

If Golden State would have won, I would have congratulated them for coming back from 3-1 vs the Thunder, 73-9, and capping that off in an all time classic Finals 7 game series.

I like the year that Steph and the Warriors had. It's great for basketball.

I would be highly disappointed for LeBron. Basketball aside, he is truthfully a good guy.

The hate I see for a good dude is astonishing to me.

Let Lebron be accused of rape, refuse to shoot, chase an all time great player off the team then publicly demand a trade after he fucked up the team, have a Hall of Fame coach write a book about how fucked up of a person he is, and sue his mother over money. Lebron would have to move out the country.
 
The same people that arw talking shit will look at a Kobe and laud his killer instinct while ignoring him fucking up a Finals by not passing to a three times finals MVP.

Ignore fucking up a 3-1 series lead with a key player suspended for a game on the opposing team , and then refusing to shoot because teammates wanted to get involved.

The same people calling Bron weak will ignore Kobe destroying a storied franchise playoff hopes by taking a max salary, turning off free agents that wanted to play there, and to top it off, barely played the last three seasons.

These people claim to love basketball but the truth is they seem to lack independent thinking.

If Golden State would have won, I would have congratulated them for coming back from 3-1 vs the Thunder, 73-9, and capping that off in an all time classic Finals 7 game series.

I like the year that Steph and the Warriors had. It's great for basketball.

I would be highly disappointed for LeBron. Basketball aside, he is truthfully a good guy.

The hate I see for a good dude is astonishing to me.

Let Lebron be accused of rape, refuse to shoot, chase an all time great player off the team then publicly demand a trade after he fucked up the team, have a Hall of Fame coach write a book about how fucked up of a person he is, and sue his mother over money. Lebron would have to move out the country.

Waaaaa????????? :lol:
 
You niggas suffer from some sort of basketball mental disorders and need help.Green had TWO FUCKING GAMES to seal the deal. I can understand if it was just one game left but the nigga had two to get it right. He could not get it done period. Every time one of you niggas bring up Green or Bogut missing I'm gonna bring up Kyire or Love missing last year, because we are both speaking hypothetically..

As far as it's an opinion to whether Green should have been suspended or not is some complete bull to the shit. What sport is it ok to kick a grown ass man in the balls and not get penalized for it????? You all want to say the Warriors loss rather than the Cavs winning.but Bron block on Iggy, his clucth free throw, JR showing up in the second half, love's d on the MVP in the final minute and Irving' right in the face of the MVP are all proof that the Cavs earned their win.
It's amazing to me some of the shit I'm reading here but then it really isn't

It's like the logic of following a religion that slavemasters gave to the slaves.
 
The Bad Boys Pistons team that the Bulls beat would have had this warrior team afraid to take the court.

Curry would have had to defend either Isaiah, Dumars, or Aguirre. And if he ever even looked like he wanted to go into the lane...

:itsawrap:

Rodman would have locked down Dramond completely.

Pistons in 5.

Hell, the Lakers team in 91 would have beaten this Warriors team. They may have beaten the Bulls that year if Worthy didn't get hurt.
Dude if Draymond tried that shit he was getting away with on the Pistons you would have seen a Detroit Piston leave the game in handcuffs.
The fans would take up a collection and bail that player out as well.
 
TimRock thinks Kobe is still better than Bron.
I know
Him and I have been having this discussion for about 8 years. Probably longer.
He won't give up that position even in the face of overwhelming proof.
That kind of loyalty is to be commended on some level.
 
I know
Him and I have been having this discussion for about 8 years. Probably longer.
He won't give up that position even in the face of overwhelming proof.
That kind of loyalty is to be commended on some level.

Youtube Kobe's Game 7 performance in the 2010 Finals. Doesnt compare to Brons this year or in 2013. Kobes career high in the Finals is 40. Bron dropped 41 back to back games this series. Kobe never posted a triple double in the Finals either.
 
I know
Him and I have been having this discussion for about 8 years. Probably longer.
He won't give up that position even in the face of overwhelming proof.
That kind of loyalty is to be commended on some level.
:roflmao2:
I never brought him up in this discussion. I'm not even going there. That'll be another 20 pages.
 
So upsets don't happen? The team with a better record has never lost to a team with a lesser record? I'm still waiting on proof on how this GS team is better than the teams three bulls played. Where's the proof?

Upsets rarely happen in the NBA Finals. Tell me why it was never done before.

The proof you asked was already given. Its called accomplishments. These Warriors are defending Champs, won a record number of games this year. An 82 game sample size. Do you realize how long an NBA season is? All the core players are in their prime. It was down 3-1 against a VERY good team with two superstars and came all the way back. Heavy favorites heading into these finals. Actual favorites to win it all next year.
 
Upsets rarely happen in the NBA Finals. Tell me why it was never done before.

The proof you asked was already given. Its called accomplishments. These Warriors are defending Champs, won a record number of games this year. An 82 game sample size. Do you realize how long an NBA season is? All the core players are in their prime. It was down 3-1 against a VERY good team with two superstars and came all the way back. Heavy favorites heading into these finals. Actual favorites to win it all next year.
That's not proof. Proof is something that can't be disputed . All that you mentioned, doesn't PROVE GS could beat those other teams. Just admit it, there is no proof, you are just going off of stats and assumptions.
In my opinion, both GP and Stockton can get into Curry's head and have him play the same way he did this series. And I won't mention what Malone, Barkley and Kemp could do against them.
 
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