Charles Barkley: LeBron James will never be a top-five NBA great

One flaw in this argument.

Lebron played in the first 4 games. 1-3. nothing remarkable.

Game 5. no Draymond.
Game 6-7 no Bogut.

3-0.

very opportunistic.


and Draymond got in Lebron's ass with that 32 pts, 15 bds, 9 ast, 2 stls in a game 7....with Lebron guarding him.

Totally different narrative, is Steph plays half way decent.

that injury shit, NO excuses though, as Cleveland had half a team last year, when Lebron turned into Magic Johnson in his rookie year.

But Green had Lebron's number when they went man up. Switched him up over and over, leaving Green open for 3pts left and right.
 
All things considered equal...

4 MVPs >> 3
3 Finals MVPs >> 2

At least one can argue Bird wasn't even the best player on all his championship team. Can't say that shit about Lebron :lol:
bird was busy battling magic and jordan for his mvp's not lil dudes who go hey guys i shoot a lot of 3's on a bad ankle
 
and Draymond got in Lebron's ass with that 32 pts, 15 bds, 9 ast, 2 stls in a game 7....with Lebron guarding him.

Totally different narrative, is Steph plays half way decent.

that injury shit, NO excuses though, as Cleveland had half a team last year, when Lebron turned into Magic Johnson in his rookie year.

But Green had Lebron's number when they went man up. Switched him up over and over, leaving Green open for 3pts left and right.
no no lebron such a great defenders that he has the team 3rd best player putting up god like numbers on him..this nig stayed getting owned by players yet people always claim he's some kinda of great defender
 
no bron wouldn't have the heart to be the man..u remember a few finals where he was scared to take the shot..remember that's what magic was telling lebron to man up
nah nigga i don't remember a few finals ago Bron been to so many but what do remember is NOW!!! where he block iggs shot that would have gave GS the lead and when he almost dunked on green and made the game winning free throw...btw magic is like you BGOL niggas MIA on twitter since Sunday.
 
Show me this 73-9 Magic or Jordan that Bird was battling though :cool:
bird was battling dynasty and alltime greats and top 50 players not 1 and done teams who got their first chip because of him.. warriors beat lebron for that first ring.. bird beat showtime, battled the bad boys, beat mr air what's lebron legacy looking like..losing to jason terry, getting owned by washed up andre, having some young nig own him name kwhai..how many of those dudes gonna be on anybody top 5 ever list???
 
and Draymond got in Lebron's ass with that 32 pts, 15 bds, 9 ast, 2 stls in a game 7....with Lebron guarding him.

Totally different narrative, is Steph plays half way decent.

that injury shit, NO excuses though, as Cleveland had half a team last year, when Lebron turned into Magic Johnson in his rookie year.

But Green had Lebron's number when they went man up. Switched him up over and over, leaving Green open for 3pts left and right.

Why didn't Green do all that game 6??? Only needed to win one more game?
 
bird was battling dynasty and alltime greats and top 50 players not 1 and done teams who got their first chip because of him.. warriors beat lebron for that first ring.. bird beat showtime, battled the bad boys, beat mr air what's lebron legacy looking like..losing to jason terry, getting owned by washed up andre, having some young nig own him name kwhai..how many of those dudes gonna be on anybody top 5 ever list???
:lol: Man I don't know and really don't care.

I'm just glad Lebron proved all the haters wrong and "brought home some more hardware." Watching the rest of ya'll struggle to prop Bird up is a bonus :giggle:
 
bird was battling dynasty and alltime greats and top 50 players not 1 and done teams who got their first chip because of him.. warriors beat lebron for that first ring.. bird beat showtime, battled the bad boys, beat mr air what's lebron legacy looking like..losing to jason terry, getting owned by washed up andre, having some young nig own him name kwhai..how many of those dudes gonna be on anybody top 5 ever list???

So...wait....aren't you one of those,"LeBron had it easy because he plays in the east" niggas?
 
Top 5 or not, Ive never seen ANYONE ever do this kind of heavy lifting on his way to the a ring.

He was his team's best in every single category. And in the Finals he was both team's best at everything.

I think some posters here dont understand how ridiculous that is. The fact that its never been done before should be enough of a hint but hey...

I have no problem with Charles having his favorite top 5. We all do.
 
i was putting lebrons feat in context. the cavs dug their own hole.

the cavs gained traction only after GS had players off the court.

both teams exploited weaknesses.

GS beat a weakened cavs team last year.
 
ummmmmmm bird was a stone cold killer..u ever seen him play when he was relied on to be the only scorer..u didn't want bird to have the bball in his hand..remember the less talent around you the more likely ur stats will go up..no mchale means more boards for bird..less talent means more shots for bird.. dirk killing nigs in the nba u don't want bird to shoot as much..also lebron will have higher stats than a lot cause he skipped college and been in the nba since he was 18.. u tend to have better stats overall when you play more games than everybody else
I saw Bird play and he was a very great player on a great team. put him on a less than great team and do the things LeBron has done, then we can talk. If you are talking aculades and hardware LeBron is already better, talk about stats then LeBron is >> talk about wow moments then LeBron is >>> its at the point where Bird has to admit that he is not in the same class as LeBron... Yes Bird was great, yes he was a cold blooded killer and a all time great, but top five sorry, cant give him that spot...
 
bird was battling dynasty and alltime greats and top 50 players not 1 and done teams who got their first chip because of him.. warriors beat lebron for that first ring.. bird beat showtime, battled the bad boys, beat mr air what's lebron legacy looking like..losing to jason terry, getting owned by washed up andre, having some young nig own him name kwhai..how many of those dudes gonna be on anybody top 5 ever list???

Dont forget to mention how many top 50 players Bird had on his team while he was at it. 4 out of 5 starters were top 50 all time. A 5th was a finals MVP. No one played with more HoF in the modern era. Its ridiculous. Lots other players had a tougher road to the top then Bird did.
 
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i was putting lebrons feat in context. the cavs dug their own hole.

the cavs gained traction only after GS had players off the court.

both teams exploited weaknesses.

GS beat a weakened cavs team last year.

But the first ever unanimous MVP was ALWAYS on the court. And Green was back 2 whole games. Why did he take game 6 off? They only had to win once.
 
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Im sorry but all those who said that there was no way the Warriors would lose to the Cavs should be excluded from this conversation, only because bitter people can often say irrational things....
 
I saw Bird play and he was a very great player on a great team. put him on a less than great team and do the things LeBron has done, then we can talk. If you are talking aculades and hardware LeBron is already better, talk about stats then LeBron is >> talk about wow moments then LeBron is >>> its at the point where Bird has to admit that he is not in the same class as LeBron... Yes Bird was great, yes he was a cold blooded killer and a all time great, but top five sorry, cant give him that spot...

They don't understand, where these people say Bird was a Killer or MJ was an assassin...LeBron is a force of Nature
 
They don't understand, where these people say Bird was a Killer or MJ was an assassin...LeBron is a force of Nature
Man it seems like the last four seasons white folks be saying LeBron has finally reached Bird level, in terms of accomplishments, then LeBron does something that has never been done that by all logic should propel him way past Bird only to find you discover that by some unknown miracle he is still on the same level of Bird..
Just another case of CAC's moving the finish line in order to get the results they want..
 
They don't understand, where these people say Bird was a Killer or MJ was an assassin...LeBron is a force of Nature
lebron is an athletic freak i've always said that..i've said he's a very talented kid... juss not the top 5 or in that same breath.. i've said what fucks up his legacy is his bitch like antics.. the acting, the team voltron shit, him acting like a cry baby, and now that nino brown ratting nigs out on the stand shit.. if he never did all that bitch shit i'd prob give him more props but his bitch shit over exceeds that..than it dosen't help to be consider great and yet having underachievers outplay you
 
lebron is an athletic freak i've always said that..i've said he's a very talented kid... juss not the top 5 or in that same breath.. i've said what fucks up his legacy is his bitch like antics.. the acting, the team voltron shit, him acting like a cry baby, and now that nino brown ratting nigs out on the stand shit.. if he never did all that bitch shit i'd prob give him more props but his bitch shit over exceeds that..than it dosen't help to be consider great and yet having underachievers outplay you
Dude he out played arugubley the greatest team ever (well they would have been if they would have won) in every fucking catifory imaginable to mankind ... And was the first team to ever come back from a three to one dedicate with a squad with no other allstar. Now tell me when Bird, Jordan Kobe or anybody did that shit...
 
My point is Larry Bird didn't play against a 73-9 squad with a unanimous MVP.

And are you saying LeBron is playing inferior competition since every time he does win a finals he's the MVP?

the warriors chip actually put more of a blackeye on his legacy to me more than ever..that's the chip i wouldn't talk about alot in fact act like it didn't exist..that green snitch will always have u ask what would of happen if nba didn't come in and save lebron ass.. series was pretty much done and this nig complained his way into helped by the league..when he did that shit i was like juss when u can give this nig a lil props he shoots that shit down once again
 
If yall can tell me when Bird, Magic, Kareem, or Jordan won with odd that LeBron had when he was down 3 to 1 vs one of the greatest teams in the history of the NBA..
Its easy to win when you are favorite to win but not so much when Vegas give you no shot in hell to win...
 
Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Michael Jordan, Wilt Chamberlain, Bill Russell, Magic Johnson
Magic played on a team that was loaded and may have won finals with out him, Kareem team won a finals with out him... Russell and Chamberlain played in the WNBA while LeBron took expansion team talents to the finals and was always the best players on his team that won..
 
Dude he out played arugubley the greatest team ever (well they would have been if they would have won) in every fucking catifory imaginable to mankind ... And was the first team to ever come back from a three to one dedicate with a squad with no other allstar. Now tell me when Bird, Jordan Kobe or anybody did that shit...
maybe other players never put themselves in dat position..people keep acting like love and kyrie wasn't looked as allstars b4 they teamed up..in fact b4 the season started nobody would've even thought gsw was gonna be a finals contender and everybody knew the cavs were.. gsw was actually the out of nowhere team that did their thing and won the chip last yr cavs was the squad that underachieved..there were no gsw fans or curry fans outside of cali b4 last yr..people act like they new gsw was gonna be a championship team and people act like they knew steph was gonna have the yr he had this yr.. gsw is more of the where did the fuck did these come from squad than anything.. lebron voltron squad was the heavy favorites last yr period.. this yr kyrie did what most people knew what he was capable of doin in the finals.. people keep acting like kyrie and love is jo jo english and stacey king
 
maybe other players never put themselves in dat position..people keep acting like love and kyrie wasn't looked as allstars b4 they teamed up..in fact b4 the season started nobody would've even thought gsw was gonna be a finals contender and everybody knew the cavs were.. gsw was actually the out of nowhere team that did their thing and won the chip last yr cavs was the squad that underachieved..there were no gsw fans or curry fans outside of cali b4 last yr..people act like they new gsw was gonna be a championship team and people act like they knew steph was gonna have the yr he had this yr.. gsw is more of the where did the fuck did these come from squad than anything.. lebron voltron squad was the heavy favorites last yr period.. this yr kyrie did what most people knew what he was capable of doin in the finals.. people keep acting like kyrie and love is jo jo english and stacey king
You really think the Cavs were heavily favorites with that many injuries, remember no team in the history of the NBA had as many points lost due to injuries as last years Cavs.. And ot be real their starting line up minus LeBron was worse than most lottery pick teams.. So tell me how many players could go on a lottery team and play the Warriors, one of the all time great teams so close as the CAvs did last year??
Mater of fact some of what LeBron did in his losses, most notably, last year (when he was the finals true MVP) and what he did to will his scrub lottery pick Cavs to the finals vs the Spurs, is more impressive than most stars Finals victories...
 
Dishonest thread title. He said his top 5 won't ever change-- That's reverence for the existing 5, not hate for any future player or LeBron James specifically.

Drama queen shit. :smh:
 
Also people forget that Irving was playing pg, and had only 1 assist, that last game.. The reason why this was no problem was that LeBron was the true point and had the true responsibility of running the club, all Irving had to do was score...
 
I know this is beating a dead horse, but as good as folks make Irving out to be his Cav was a perennial top lottery pick every season with out LeBron and by the way their play looks when LeBron is not in the game or not playing, it looks as if they would be a lottery team right now, if LeBron was to go and sign with another team..
 
chuck was showin his ass when all the shit in Ferguson, MO was going down. He was way outta pocket with some of the shit he was saying about black folk, and caping hard for cops

I actually stopped watching TNT pre/post game for a while cause that shit had me so heated.

The caping 4 cops takes on a new meaning when you factor in his past behavior. Chuck threatened the cops who responded to him throwing someone through a plate glass window years ago by saying they could get thrown through glass, as well. The only reason he doesn't get fucked up is he was recognized. Classic case of OJ syndrome....
"I'm not Black, I'm Charles Barkley"
 
You really think the Cavs were heavily favorites with that many injuries, remember no team in the history of the NBA had as many points lost due to injuries as last years Cavs.. And ot be real their starting line up minus LeBron was worse than most lottery pick teams.. So tell me how many players could go on a lottery team and play the Warriors, one of the all time great teams so close as the CAvs did last year??
Mater of fact some of what LeBron did in his losses, most notably, last year (when he was the finals true MVP) and what he did to will his scrub lottery pick Cavs to the finals vs the Spurs, is more impressive than most stars Finals victories...
nig please..when love and kyrie signed on the dotted line every1 knew cavs were automatic finals team in the east last yr...hell there were mad threads of nigs celebrating how cavs were gonna run threw the league with bron, love and kyrie... mad dudes was saying the best sf and pf with the top 5 pg on the same squad means automatic chip..hell i even made a response in a few of those threads calling lebron a voltron ass nig and said the league keep giving this nig an easy route for a chip..that's why i laughed so much last yr when he failed..nigs wanna get amnesia all of a sudden that love didn't live up to expectations that motherfuckers was crowning them champs last yr b4 the season started..nobody was talking about the warriors b4 the season started last yr..than they shocked the world..nigs act like kyrie and love wasn't doin their thing a yr b4 team voltron 2 formed
 
I know this is beating a dead horse, but as good as folks make Irving out to be his Cav was a perennial top lottery pick every season with out LeBron and by the way their play looks when LeBron is not in the game or not playing, it looks as if they would be a lottery team right now, if LeBron was to go and sign with another team..
so did kyrie have love, smith, shumpert on it b4 lebron came?? nigs act like that whole squad wasn't vamped up for mr lebron arrival..that's a whole new squad kyrie playing with
 
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