Coming from you this means LeBron James is a created player from 2K with maxed out stats since you know....your wrong about every fucking thing and never know what the fuck your talking about.
Charles Barkley: LeBron James will never be a top-five NBA great
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Coming from you this means LeBron James is a created player from 2K with maxed out stats since you know....your wrong about every fucking thing and never know what the fuck your talking about.
My argument isn't that Duncan isn't the best power forward ever, my argument is that Ducan isn't top five.. Now he does have a lot of aculades to argue in his favor, but in my opinion he lack in personal accomplishments to be mentioned in the top five of all time..
To repeat, to be in the top five, my criterior is having great team success, great success in the finals. MVP's both in finals and regular season and great statistical accomplishments..
Going by the numbers Duncan fails short in individual accomplishments, things such as MVP's top scorer, top re-bounder and his over all number are not that great, all that other shit he has on lock giving him the title of top power forward ever... But at his best year of 25.5 pts, 12.7 rebounds and 3.7 assist is almost an average season for LeBron, yes the rebounds are like 4 points more but the assist are 4 points less and points 2 less.
Note this was Tim best season..
Plus his numbers in the finals are just as lack luster.. At the end of the day Tim is a great player who played on a great system that allowed him to win more than most players... Put him on another team then you would see the chinks in his armor...
Bird is no where close to what LeBron is, Bird played on great teams and had a system that catered to his style... Yes he is great but put him on this years Cavs team and no way they are beating the Warriors!!
There is no debate Duncan and Bird had solid teams and or a HOF coach. LeBron put an entire state on his back.
The Spurs system has been proven to be exceptional. Spurs are a machine. Put TD in Dallas all those years. Put him in Garnett's position.
nig bird averaged a double/double and was closer to averaging a triple double a game than lebron.. bird was averaging 6+ assist a yr to.. lebron has never averaged a double/double in one season.. lebron has only led the league in 1 stat his whole career and that was 1 scoring title 1 yr.. he has never led the league in anything else.. lebron is not the only player to put up 25, 6, and 6 quite a few nigs have yet if u let the google cats and youtube watchers tell it lebron is the first.. jordan did it, bird did it, oscar did it, and a few others
let me ask this...I just want to hear the whore shit that is spewed. If I told you there were two NBA teams..one team has a two time and the first ever unanimous MVP along with a record breaking 73&9 season going into the finals..lets call them team A. Team A plays team B in the NBA finals and has a 3-1 series lead, but a player from team B leads the team all the way back to win the series and leads BOTH teams in every statistical category to become the MVP of that series.....
What NBA player would be capable of such a feat?????
What NBA player would be capable of such a feat?????
Exactly, they were winning before Duncan, he just seamlessly slid in David Roberson slot to out perform him. Even now the Spurs are going to be good with Aldridge sliding in Duncan spot, just as long as they can get production from the guard positions...
Nigga who gives a fuck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!How many times has bird scored back to back 40+ games in the nba finals???
At the end of the day LeBron will have more points, by far, more rebounds and more assist, just as many championships (working on more), more MVP's and more finals MVP's plus LeBron did all of that with way less more help and on more than one team..
Put Bird on some of those old Cavs teams and no way they will make it to the finals to face the Spurs....
Sometimes its stats, sometimes its hardware, other times it may be the MVP's but at the end of the day sometimes you have to go with your eyes, and look at the wow moments...
Now that LeBron has the MVP's on lock, the stats, and the hardware under his belt, now its time to look at the wow moments and compare them with people like Hakeem, Dunkan and other greats..
And if you ask me no one has had bigger games against bigger competition than LeBron...
Put in comparison if you were to take Oscar, Kobe and Duncans best game and match it to the biggest games in LeBron career, there is no way you can match the scale and significance of what they did to that of LeBron..
I dare anyone to challenge that thought, right now!!!
Now that LeBron has the MVP's on lock, the stats, and the hardware under his belt, now its time to look at the wow moments and compare them with people like Hakeem, Dunkan and other greats..
And if you ask me no one has had bigger games against bigger competition than LeBron...
Put in comparison if you were to take Oscar, Kobe and Duncans best game and match it to the biggest games in LeBron career, there is no way you can match the scale and significance of what they did to that of LeBron..
I dare anyone to challenge that thought, right now!!!
The Block on iggy will be talked about FOREVER
Great players have great plays in great moments, immortalized... If all your great plays are vs scrubs in the regular season, well no way you earn top five spot, in my book...
could you say that 2 weeks ago?? nigs get hyped on some current shit..what was you gonna say b4 lebron did that this week?? when discussing lebron nigs post up stats than as soon as you post up somebody who did the samething or better it dosen't matter.. i bet u if lebron got a double double next yr per game that's all u nigs would be screaming but since he never did it shit dosen't matter all of a sudden..u got to love lebron fans nigs grade that dude with the biggest curves.. lebron fans: lebron had 25 points 6 rebs 6 assist a game he's the best..than somebody go oscar had a triple double per game..lebron fans: triple double's are overrated lebron has a better sneaker than oscar
Oh nigga stop. I stopped reading at what happened two weeks ago. Nigga what it is is the greatest individual finals performance of all time against the "greatest team of all time". I respect the shit out of Oscar and see him all the time around this small ass city and even he admits LeBron is in a class of his own.
Niggas talkin about "what if"
ummmmmmm bird was a stone cold killer..u ever seen him play when he was relied on to be the only scorer..u didn't want bird to have the bball in his hand..remember the less talent around you the more likely ur stats will go up..no mchale means more boards for bird..less talent means more shots for bird.. dirk killing nigs in the nba u don't want bird to shoot as much..also lebron will have higher stats than a lot cause he skipped college and been in the nba since he was 18.. u tend to have better stats overall when you play more games than everybody else
so bird average more blocks, steals, and rebs..but ya'll say lebron is a better defender lol... everybody knows what happen to bird later on in his career to make his stats dropped
Damn my nigga said fuck it point 0.03 and 0.04 matter that much huh????
You niggas want to live in the past so bad, so afraid to admit a better player has been born than the one your old ass grew up watching
kinda funny about that 0.4 stuff rite when u look how lebron averaged more assist per game pretty much the sameway.. but with the lil bit more assist people will say lebron is such a better passer than bird and how he had way more assist
All things considered equal...
4 MVPs >> 3
3 Finals MVPs >> 2
At least one can argue Bird wasn't even the best player on all his championship team. Can't say that shit about Lebron
Sir 0.4 and 0.04 are big differences.
Yes James is a better defender. By far. Because one on one defense a world more then stats.
I seen alot of Bird's career and I never seen nobody say hey, we need this guy stopped, lets put Larry on him.
Uhhhh he is.
He is.
You think Bird making this type of play? lol
Imagine that shit
nah bird was juss doin shit like this
by the way bird had 36 points, 12 rebs, and 9 assist that game
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One flaw in this argument.
Lebron played in the first 4 games. 1-3. nothing remarkable.
Game 5. no Draymond.
Game 6-7 no Bogut.
3-0.
very opportunistic.
You guys talking about steals and blocks...
Kahwi just won back to back DPOY.
He ave 1.8 STL (12th) and 1.0 BLK (nowhere near the top) per game last year.
Kahwi just won back to back DPOY.
He ave 1.8 STL (12th) and 1.0 BLK (nowhere near the top) per game last year.
Lebron will have the overall stats, because he played way more in the league, than damn near everyone. Not a dig, or negative just a truth.
Duncan was not a high flyer or a small forward, he was a primarily post player. Lebron can pass better, leap better no doubt.
But could he shoot better No
Could he defend better No
Could he rebound better No
No one player has it all, especially across eras, but no way Lebron is the more complete player than Duncan.
Now back to Bird. He is somewhere in the top 10, especially when you start talking Julius Erving in my book (who I would rank higher than Bird). You all are gauging athleticism vs basketball ability. Bird did everything Lebron is doing ( IQ, passing, team guy, taking over in big games (lebron present, certainly not past), in maybe a more competitive league (WITH damaging fouls and hand checking), except Bird was a far more consistent shooter, and rebounded the ball better and ALWAYS played big in the playoffs.
Look at the post comparing the two. Look closely at total BLOCKS. Lebron is the far better athlete, played far more games...look how close that major defensive stat is. Bird was NASTY on D and his ass could better move on the court he was so slow. That Block on Iggy was just disgusting though....wow.
These last two years Lebron has been a MONSTER, but some of the L's in the finals were not just because of bad teams and coaching, but also do to his inability at the time to not really be able to shoot the damn ball, poor clutch play (especially against dallas), some quitting (folks already forgot??) and he STILL has no post game.
getting Cleveland a Ring....shit that is fucking major. But is that any more major than Duncan winning five rings across multiple decades, with a franchise with so many moveable parts? Always winning 50+ games every year, and he beat a Lebron led team in the Finals, that had better talent.
no bron wouldn't have the heart to be the man..u remember a few finals where he was scared to take the shot..remember that's what magic was telling lebron to man up
Game 6-7 Green is there, what happened?
Btw Bogut is not the unanimous MVP AND again. No Bogut this year? What about no Kyrie Last year?
Things happen in every series. Its a 7 game series though and being so long the better team usually always comes out on top.
We all say Magic has 5 rings. We dont say Magic has 5 rings but its really 4 cause that one time Thomas injured his ankle.
Taking advantage of opportunities is part of the game.
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