2015-2016 NBA playoff edition: Finals - Cavs vs Warriors - Cavs win 4-3

[Spectrum]

That's why he was MVP last year and was seemingly frustrating Bron earlier in the series. Iggy is like a fucking itch that Lebron had a problem with. It's like being at a cookout, and the bugs just fucking with you. Without Iggy be 100, Lebron can eat at the cookout. Just matters if he gets help.

What worries me is Mr fucking glass and his toe. Fragile Irving. He can make KT work(since we know Curry can't guard him). If he is really hurt, LBJ is going to have to have the best performance OR get miracle help from a source other than Irving.

Any word on that toe?

and yeah.. that's why Klay hasn't been doing so much on the offensive end because Kyrie is giving him that work on the other end... because he's a player who depends on a lot of movement to get open on the offensive end and he has to defend Kyrie a lot, he has no breaks... that's why that 3 point shot is not falling like it usually does.. same way with Curry.. they're making that dude work.. his legs aren't all fresh from not doing shit all game... that's why they gotta keep attacking...

Warriors look all world in up and down shoot outs... plays right into their strengths..

 

[Spectrum]

It would be fitting the last game of this series and season be a nail bitter

yeah...would be classic... and like someone said in another thread, the Cavs winning would create a real rivalry... would be good for the NBA.. we haven't had a real rivalry in a while.

Cavs losing just makes them a stepping stone. Lebron winning shits in the curry "best player" narrative, ruins their warriors perfect season, and makes it more likely Cavs ownership makes more moves to improve the team.

 

[Mask]

Any word on that toe?

and yeah.. that's why Klay hasn't been doing so much on the offensive end because Kyrie is giving him that work on the other end... because he's a player who depends on a lot of movement to get open on the offensive end and he has to defend Kyrie a lot, he has no breaks... that's why that 3 point shot is not falling like it usually does.. same way with Curry.. they're making that dude work.. his legs aren't all fresh from not doing shit all game... that's why they gotta keep attacking...

Warriors look all world in up and down shoot outs... plays right into their strengths..

The craY think is the Cavs want that also. They would love to run, but the dubs haven't be able to defend those damn iso's to save they're lives lately

 

[gene cisco]

Any word on that toe?

and yeah.. that's why Klay hasn't been doing so much on the offensive end because Kyrie is giving him that work on the other end... because he's a player who depends on a lot of movement to get open on the offensive end and he has to defend Kyrie a lot, he has no breaks... that's why that 3 point shot is not falling like it usually does.. same way with Curry.. they're making that dude work.. his legs aren't all fresh from not doing shit all game... that's why they gotta keep attacking...

Warriors look all world in up and down shoot outs... plays right into their strengths..

They aren't saying shit about that toe. It's crazy. And KT is showing his value for GS. He gets the tough assignments on defense and is supposed to also show up on offense.

This is going to be interesting.

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

 

[Mask]

They aren't saying shit about that toe. It's crazy. And KT is showing his value for GS. He gets the tough assignments on defense and is supposed to also show up on offense.

This is going to be interesting.

Last game of season mannnn fuck that toe

 

[Mask]

Y'all probably Won't like this but I'm glad somebody saying it...

 

[Mask]

We don’t know NBA Finals champ — but do we know MVP?
By Marc Berman

June 18, 2016 | 10:08pm

LeBron JamesPhoto: NBAE via Getty Images
OAKLAND, Calif. — Move over, Jerry West. LeBron James may be joining your exclusive company.

The only time a player from a losing team won MVP in The Finals was Jerry West, whose Lakers were beaten by the Celtics in 1968 when Bill Russell was a player/coach.


James has made an extremely strong case — win or lose — that he should be Finals MVP even if the “Strength in Numbers’’ Warriors capture Game 7 Sunday.

“Oh, he should have gotten that last year, if that’s the case,’’ said the Cavaliers’ J.R. Smith. “I believe he could. But we’ll try to be on the winning side of that. If we win and Steph [Curry] gets it, I don’t care.”

James is averaging a series-high 30.2 points, 11.3 rebounds and 8.5 assists. James leads the series in points, is tied with teammate Tristan Thompson in rebounding, is No. 1 in assists, steals (2.67), blocked shots (2.1). And he’s shooting a solid 51 percent.

James didn’t want to get caught up in it. Last time, he addressed Curry’s MVP, his words got tangled into wondering if he deserved the award after questioning the criteria.

“Last time I answered the question about MVP, it didn’t go that well for me, so I’m not going to do it,’’ James said laughing. “Yeah, I’m not going to do it. I’m not going to do it again.”

Perhaps a monster game by Curry or Klay Thompson in a Warriors’ win would sway the voters their way despite a less-than stellar Finals by the Splash Brothers. Curry is averaging just 23.5 points on 41.9 percent shooting. Last year’s Finals, James had strong consideration for MVP — four of the 11 votes went to the King. But his shooting percentage was low, the club lost three straight to lose the series and Andre Iguodala got the nod. Iguodala’s back injury likely will limit his chances of a repeat.

“I’m just out there playing, just reading, reacting,’’ James said. “My teammates have put me in position to be successful either when I have the ball or don’t have the ball, they give me the ball wherever I would like it. Setting great screens and trying to put pressure on their defense. I’ve been fortunate enough to see the ball go through the hoop the last couple of games.”


IguodalaPhoto: NBAE via Getty Images
Iguodala (back) didn’t practice Saturday but is expected to play. However, he may not start, Warriors’ coach Steve Kerr said. Iguodala said he aggravated his back on the flight from San Francisco to Cleveland before Game 6.

“I was able to do a lot,’’ Iguodala said. “I’ve been getting treatment around the clock. The training staff have been doing a helluva of a job, just making sure I’m good. I don’t think anyone’s 100 percent.”

Smith on his young daughter Demi’s comment that he is so “proud” of his father for making the Finals “without getting kicked off the team’’: “I thought it was hilarious.’’

Warriors assistant Luke Walton was given a shout-out by the players after participating in what definitely will be his final practice with Golden State. He will start his job with the Lakers next week. Walton was Phil Jackson’s preferred choice for Knicks coach before hiring Jeff Hornacek.

Kyrie Irving has made a study of Game 7s. And now he gets to live in one — in the NBA Finals. Irving, who has reversed his slow start to the series in monster fashion, averaging 25.2 points, said he won’t shy away from the pressure — despite this being his first full playoff run (Irving missed most of last year’s Finals after breaking his kneecap in Game 1).

“Don’t shy away from it,’’ Irving said. “It’s Game 7. All I’ve done over my life is watched a lot of Game 7s and seen how guys come out, seeing the sway of the game, just watch a lot of film on it. But now that I actually get to play in one and experience it, it’s just I’m ready to live in it, and just hoping we come out with a win on the other end of it.

“But this is the all-time high of being part of a team when both teams have one chance to win championships, one game that’s separating that, and it just doesn’t stop there,’’ Irving added. “So I’m excited to just get to Sunday and see what it’s really like.”

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

We don’t know NBA Finals champ — but do we know MVP?
By Marc Berman

June 18, 2016 | 10:08pm

LeBron JamesPhoto: NBAE via Getty Images
OAKLAND, Calif. — Move over, Jerry West. LeBron James may be joining your exclusive company.

The only time a player from a losing team won MVP in The Finals was Jerry West, whose Lakers were beaten by the Celtics in 1968 when Bill Russell was a player/coach.


James has made an extremely strong case — win or lose — that he should be Finals MVP even if the “Strength in Numbers’’ Warriors capture Game 7 Sunday.

“Oh, he should have gotten that last year, if that’s the case,’’ said the Cavaliers’ J.R. Smith. “I believe he could. But we’ll try to be on the winning side of that. If we win and Steph [Curry] gets it, I don’t care.”

James is averaging a series-high 30.2 points, 11.3 rebounds and 8.5 assists. James leads the series in points, is tied with teammate Tristan Thompson in rebounding, is No. 1 in assists, steals (2.67), blocked shots (2.1). And he’s shooting a solid 51 percent.

James didn’t want to get caught up in it. Last time, he addressed Curry’s MVP, his words got tangled into wondering if he deserved the award after questioning the criteria.

“Last time I answered the question about MVP, it didn’t go that well for me, so I’m not going to do it,’’ James said laughing. “Yeah, I’m not going to do it. I’m not going to do it again.”

Perhaps a monster game by Curry or Klay Thompson in a Warriors’ win would sway the voters their way despite a less-than stellar Finals by the Splash Brothers. Curry is averaging just 23.5 points on 41.9 percent shooting. Last year’s Finals, James had strong consideration for MVP — four of the 11 votes went to the King. But his shooting percentage was low, the club lost three straight to lose the series and Andre Iguodala got the nod. Iguodala’s back injury likely will limit his chances of a repeat.

“I’m just out there playing, just reading, reacting,’’ James said. “My teammates have put me in position to be successful either when I have the ball or don’t have the ball, they give me the ball wherever I would like it. Setting great screens and trying to put pressure on their defense. I’ve been fortunate enough to see the ball go through the hoop the last couple of games.”


IguodalaPhoto: NBAE via Getty Images
Iguodala (back) didn’t practice Saturday but is expected to play. However, he may not start, Warriors’ coach Steve Kerr said. Iguodala said he aggravated his back on the flight from San Francisco to Cleveland before Game 6.

“I was able to do a lot,’’ Iguodala said. “I’ve been getting treatment around the clock. The training staff have been doing a helluva of a job, just making sure I’m good. I don’t think anyone’s 100 percent.”

Smith on his young daughter Demi’s comment that he is so “proud” of his father for making the Finals “without getting kicked off the team’’: “I thought it was hilarious.’’

Warriors assistant Luke Walton was given a shout-out by the players after participating in what definitely will be his final practice with Golden State. He will start his job with the Lakers next week. Walton was Phil Jackson’s preferred choice for Knicks coach before hiring Jeff Hornacek.

Kyrie Irving has made a study of Game 7s. And now he gets to live in one — in the NBA Finals. Irving, who has reversed his slow start to the series in monster fashion, averaging 25.2 points, said he won’t shy away from the pressure — despite this being his first full playoff run (Irving missed most of last year’s Finals after breaking his kneecap in Game 1).

“Don’t shy away from it,’’ Irving said. “It’s Game 7. All I’ve done over my life is watched a lot of Game 7s and seen how guys come out, seeing the sway of the game, just watch a lot of film on it. But now that I actually get to play in one and experience it, it’s just I’m ready to live in it, and just hoping we come out with a win on the other end of it.

“But this is the all-time high of being part of a team when both teams have one chance to win championships, one game that’s separating that, and it just doesn’t stop there,’’ Irving added. “So I’m excited to just get to Sunday and see what it’s really like.”

It will be damn near criminal win or lose if they don't give that shit to LeBron... Dude is head and shoulders above everyone else playing... The only one close is Kyrie

 

[Spectrum]

Y'all probably Won't like this but I'm glad somebody saying it...

Yeah. He earned the money during the last two games. He was playing kind of extra smedium early in the season though.

 

[gene cisco]

Last game of season mannnn fuck that toe

You're right. Irving has outplayed Steph so far. Just one more game to go. Suck it up.

 

[Spectrum]

It will be damn near criminal win or lose if they don't give that shit to LeBron... Dude is head and shoulders above everyone else playing... The only one close is Kyrie

Yeah. Not even close. At least last year Iggy had a legitimate case + his team one. In this series, like you said, it's Lebron and then Kyrie but Lebron is way out in front.

 

[gene cisco]

It will be damn near criminal win or lose if they don't give that shit to LeBron... Dude is head and shoulders above everyone else playing... The only one close is Kyrie

Lebron would have to fail miserably in the last game not to get the MVP. It's the MVP of the FINALS, not the winning team. What's crazy is this the second straight year he's done this shit. Lead everyone. People really won't appreciate this level of dominance until he is gone.

 

[Mask]

Lebron would have to fail miserably in the last game not to get the MVP. It's the MVP of the FINALS, not the winning team. What's crazy is this the second straight year he's done this shit. Lead everyone. People really won't appreciate this level of dominance until he is gone.

Yup, when they do a 30 for 30 for him

 

[Mask]

Yeah. He earned the money during the last two games. He was playing kind of extra smedium early in the season though.

It is what it is...


He do him when Lebrom control the offense and attacks


His kinda been out playing green, which is fucked up because Moufwideopen is more of a complete player.

 

[4 Dimensional]

Them kats going to sleep like shit tonight. Dreaming about winning the champion.

Er'body going to be dreaming about hitting that game winner.

Then they got to wait all day to play. Bron is the only one that's ever been in a game 7 finals between all these players, right?

 

[Mask]

Them kats going to sleep like shit tonight. Dreaming about winning the champion.

Er'body going to be dreaming about hitting that game winner.

Then they got to wait all day to play. Bron is the only one that's ever been in a game 7 finals between all these players, right?

Them fools better take something with some kinda sleep aid in it...


Maybe one of the older players like Barbosa or Fyre....other than that of think naw

 

[4 Dimensional]

It is what it is...


He do him when Lebrom control the offense and attacks


His kinda been out playing green, which is fucked up because Moufwideopen is more of a complete player.

True, but it apparent to he is completely emotional driven. So if it's not there, then you don't feel his presence.

Also, he has to guard Bron and TT. I know TT ain't much on offense, but he goes after those o-boards, so that's energy Green has to spend boxing dude out.

They're daring him to shoot the three because it's all about percentages this deep in the playoffs. If Green doesn't get an early start; he'll become a little hesitant on his jumper.

 

[futureshock]

Weak privileged ungrateful cac.

He is not digging ditches. He aint working in the elements of the winter cold or the summer heat or in a war zone in hostile territory.

He is was a SPORTS WRITER.

Working for 2.5 hours after the game "in the trenches", after he got to a bird's eye view to history unfolding right in front of him...free meals and drinks (paid for by the venue or the company in which he works for), got to fly across the country and stay in a nice hotel (all expenses paid), going to after parties and hang out spots with stars and celebs (if he wanted to) and publish his work for potentially millions to see.

GTFOH!

I know some people who WOULD PAY to do his job.

 

[futureshock]

Incredible vid!

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

Lebron would have to fail miserably in the last game not to get the MVP. It's the MVP of the FINALS, not the winning team. What's crazy is this the second straight year he's done this shit. Lead everyone. People really won't appreciate this level of dominance until he is gone.

Dude he could score 10 points and they lose by 20 and he would still be robbed. I definitely understand what you are saying but that would still be fucked up. Thats all I've been saying for years. I shit on him from time to time primarily because of how passive he plays most of the time. THIS LeBron is the one who I felt back in his first run with the Cavs could make a run or GOAT! When Dude plays like this, not too many people can say that saw a player this COMPLETELY dominant...

 

[BrownTurd]

and @gene cisco ... in my opinion, if the Cavs just aggressively attack the basket, they win. Warriors can't stop that.. they'll either have to give up easy buckets or get in foul trouble (unless the refs just don't blow the whistle).

Terrible idea to do that. Don't get it twisted and think playing small means layups. The Miami Heat played small and never allowed anyone to drive to the basket. The Warriors also do not allow you to drive to the basket for easy scores.

They have played small for the last two years and no one has attacked the basket with ease. You damn sure are not going to make a living trying to score over Draymond. The help defense is just to good. Just like in Miami we baited teams to try that and it created fast breaks.

It is pretty simple. The Warriors are the better team and if they play their game they win. Nothing the Cavs can really do about it.

 

[Spectrum]

Terrible idea to do that. Don't get it twisted and think playing small means layups. The Miami Heat played small and never allowed anyone to drive to the basket. The Warriors also do not allow you to drive to the basket for easy scores..

LMBAO. You're a funny dude.

"Kyrie Irving and James led the charge attacking the Warriors defense outscoring the Warriors in the paint 42-30. "

The Warriors scored 42 points in the paint on game 6 and they have no low post player. Those points were primarily scored on drives... easy layups and 28 of those points were on dunks and layups.

You try to hard to argue for the sake of arguing.

Iggy is hurt. The only defensive player in the perimeter that even remotely keep a guy out of the lane is Klay...and that's only if he's matched up on some besides Kyrie.

Without Bogut, they have zero big men that are intimating and they don't have the type of team with Iggy hurt that can keep Lebron and Kyrie out of the lane.

 

[BrownTurd]

Lebron would have to fail miserably in the last game not to get the MVP. It's the MVP of the FINALS, not the winning team. What's crazy is this the second straight year he's done this shit. Lead everyone. People really won't appreciate this level of dominance until he is gone.

Man you are seriously tripping. Who the fuck would want an MVP of the finals trophy if they lost the game?

I don't like Lebron but I would not even do that to him. That is fucking cruel to do him like that. So not only would he have lost another finals but you want him to come out the locker room and accept a trophy while Golden State has on their championship gear? How Lame would that be. Steph over there holding the real trophy and you would have that man out there like that. Why would you do that?

 

[BrownTurd]

LMBAO. You're a funny dude.

"Kyrie Irving and James led the charge attacking the Warriors defense outscoring the Warriors in the paint 42-30. "

The Warriors scored 42 points in the paint on game 6 and they have no low post player. Those points were primarily scored on drives... easy layups and 28 of those points were on dunks and layups.

You try to hard to argue for the sake of arguing.

That is because Thompson got 15 which is not happening again. So we back to where we started with the Cavs not dominating the paint. So don't be fooled by the numbers.

You are not going to make a living trying to get layups.

 

[Spectrum]

That is because Thompson got 15 which is not happening again. So we back to where we started with the Cavs not dominating the paint

You just said the Warriors don't allow it at all now you're saying they won't allow it AGAIN! lmbao.

Let me school you on game 5 where the Cavs also drove and scored in the paint with EASE.

"Similar to Game 3, Cleveland won Monday's battle in the painted area (48-30) and in fastbreaks (28-9). Getting stops on defense and driving to the basket were keys, not the 3-point shooting."



Nigga, stop arguing with me. I actually know what's going on out there on the court and I rewatch shit and analyze the stats.

The warriors have NO answer to the Cavs driving to the painted area.

 

[BrownTurd]

You just said the Warriors don't allow it at all now you're saying they won't allow it AGAIN! lmbao.

Let me school you on game 5 where the Cavs also drove and scored in the paint with EASE.

"Similar to Game 3, Cleveland won Monday's battle in the painted area (48-30) and in fastbreaks (28-9). Getting stops on defense and driving to the basket were keys, not the 3-point shooting."



Nigga, stop arguing with me. I actually know what's going on out there on the court and I rewatch shit and analyze the stats.

The warriors have NO answer to the Cavs driving to the painted area.

I think you are mixing terms. Post Points and attacking the rim are not the same. If you mean points in the post I agree.

Attacking the rim forcing up contested shots would be foolish

 

[Spectrum]

You understand basketball so you know what attacking the basket means. Thompson is not someone you will feed the ball and offensively he is someone you can't count on. So if the strategy going into the game is expecting Thompson to score good luck.

This is a strawman.

I gave you two games. I could have given you even more than that.

In game 5, the Cavs scored 48 points in the paint. Tristan scored 6 point and 4 of those were free throws!

The Cavs aren't dependent on TT to score points in the paint.

The rest of the Cavs will not make a living trying to attack the rim as Golden State is a great help defense and will collapse the driving lanes forcing you to shoot a highly contested shot.

They already have. 90 percent of the paint points have come from other guys not named Tristan Thompson.

They are you talking about this shit as we havent had 6 games of reference points. The Cavs score easily in the paint on the Warriors. That's a fact.

Game 5 is where Barnes spent major mins at center. Of course is was layups. With Green that is not going to happen as he will contest shots.

They did it in game 6. They did it game 5. They did it in game 3! Green has no impact on paint scoring by the Cavs. That's a fact

Missing those kind of shots will ignite the fast break. Getting points in the paint by via the post is great. There is a difference between attacking the rim and post Points. Post Points are more efficient and better shots. If you mixed the terms and meant post Points then I agree. But attacking the rim taking contested shots is not what I would like to see the Cavs do if they want to win

Those aren't fucking post points. The Cavs don't have post player. Those are paint paints primarily off Irving and James driving to the basket.

That's exactly how they've won the 3 games they won. You're either blind or stupid to say otherwise. I posted the facts for you too.

 

[BrownTurd]

That's why he was MVP last year and was seemingly frustrating Bron earlier in the series. Iggy is like a fucking itch that Lebron had a problem with. It's like being at a cookout, and the bugs just fucking with you. Without Iggy be 100, Lebron can eat at the cookout. Just matters if he gets help.

What worries me is Mr fucking glass and his toe. Fragile Irving. He can make KT work(since we know Curry can't guard him). If he is really hurt, LBJ is going to have to have the best performance OR get miracle help from a source other than Irving.

Lebron has simply aged and because of that it allows smaller players to now guard him on the perimeter. Before he was just as quick as a smaller player.

With him aging, That slight lost in step makes it hard for him against Iggy. Time for him to work his mid range and improve that next season. He likes playing on the outside so I am not sure how that convo will go over with James. Or if Lue has the power to get him to do it.

 

[Spectrum]

I think you are mixing terms. Post Points and attacking the rim are not the same. If you mean points in the post I agree.

Attacking the rim forcing up contested shots would be foolish

You're the one who is confused here. Paint points can be either on posts or drives. Those points are being scored primarily on drives. Only person on the Cavs scoring meaningful points in the paint who can even play with in the post is Lebron and that's not how he's scoring his points. Love is the only other post player but he's not scoring.

They're being scored on drives. Watching the games will show you that. If you're too slow to understand what's going on out there, you can read the shot charts.

They're scoring on dunks and layups + easy floaters once beating they're man to get into the lane. Shit is not even up for dispute. You're just being an idiot right now on purpose.

 

[BrownTurd]

This is a strawman.

I gave you two games. I could have given you even more than that.

In game 5, the Cavs scored 48 points in the paint. Tristan scored 6 point and 4 of those were free throws!

The Cavs aren't dependent on TT to score points in the paint.



They already have. 90 percent of the paint points have come from other guys not named Tristan Thompson.

They are you talking about this shit as we havent had 6 games of reference points. The Cavs score easily in the paint on the Warriors. That's a fact.




They did it in game 6. They did it game 5. They did it in game 3! Green has no impact on paint scoring by the Cavs. That's a fact







Those aren't fucking post points. The Cavs don't have post player. Those are paint paints primarily off Irving and James driving to the basket.

That's exactly how they've won the 3 games they won. You're with blind or stupid to say otherwise. I posted the facts for you too.

As mentioned in the other post I think you were mixing terms.

Attacking the rim and post Points are different.

Post Points comes from good ball movement where you create easy scores around the basket. I agree with that if that is what you meant.

Attacking the rim is just putting your head down and barreling to the rack. Golden state is to good of a help defense and would force contested shots. That is not something I think would work.

 

[Spectrum]

As mentioned in the other post I think you were mixing terms.

Attacking the rim and post Points are different.

Post Points comes from good ball movement where you create easy scores around the basket. I agree with that if that is what you meant.

Attacking the rim is just putting your head down and barreling to the rack. Golden state is to good of a help defense and would force contested shots. That is not something I think would work.

You fucking idiot the Cavs arent scoring post points. They're scoring points on drives. They're racking up non-post paint points. Go take a look at the fucking shot chart. I just told you that 28 of the 42 point scored in the paint during game 6 were from driving layups and dunks. That's not even up for dispute. That's a documented fact.

 

[BrownTurd]

You fucking idiot the Cavs arent scoring post points. They're scoring points on drives.

What's up with the name calking. Bruh I have never disrespected you so I would at least like the same respect back.

You initially stated aggressively attack the rim. Which I did not agree with but now I understand what you were trying to say. We grown man. Why take it to that level. If we were having a convo in person I highly doubt you would call me an idiot so why do it now?

You explained yourself so we move on.

 

[Spectrum]

Post Points comes from good ball movement where you create easy scores around the basket. I agree with that if that is what you meant.
.

Do you even know what post points are? lmbao.

Thompson scored 16 points in the PAINT and none of them were POST points. He scored all his points (except for two which was a fast break dunk) on assists that were the results of someone else driving into the paint.

 

[BrownTurd]

Do you even know what post points are? lmbao.

Thompson scored 16 points in the PAINT and none of them were POST points. He scored all his points (except for two which was a fast break dunk) on assists that were the results of someone else driving into the paint.

Post points and paint points are one in the same. So same meaning if that helps