2015-2016 NBA playoff edition: Finals - Cavs vs Warriors - Cavs win 4-3

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Thing is, everybody is talking about stopping LeBrons game. At this point, nobody's stopping that dude. He's always got his and will continue to get his. What's killing Golden State, is the Richard Jefferson's, Tristan Thompson's, JR Smith, those are the players the Warriors need to focus on containing. LeBron getting his 40 isn't the problem, it's when the rest of the team plays the way that they've been playing.

and the role players for the Warriors have gone quiet

Harrison Barnes is 2-22 over the last two games.. that's not going to get it done. And dude has been getting wide open looks too.
 
Yeah.. a 60-70% Iggy is not going to do anything with Lebron though. I think the Warriors want him out there for the veteran experience and he's more likely to be the one to hit a big shot... but he's out as the guy to give Lebron problems and that has always been their X factor. Iggy would focus on Lebron and then Greene would come over every so often to take it. But right now, they've got no answers.. and Lebron has his confidence back on his jumper... shit just seems to be going the Cavs way right now.

Yeah it would seem everything going the cavs way now until 9am tomorrow morning :lol:
 
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and the role players for the Warriors have gone quiet

Harrison Barnes is 2-22 over the last two games.. that's not going to get it done. And dude has been getting wide open looks too.

But can anyone count of them staying quiet? That's the concern because like that they can snap out of that funk.. And it usually takes them 1 game or 2 to do it
 



NBA Finals: Cavaliers take advantage of Stephen Curry's defense


By Carl Steward, csteward@bayareanewsgroup.com

POSTED: Saturday, June 18, 2016 - 3:32 p.m.



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Golden State Warriors' Stephen Curry (30) guards Cleveland Cavaliers' J.R. Smith (5) in the first quarter of Game 5 of the NBA Finals at Oracle Arena in Oakland, Calif., on Monday, June 13, 2016. (Jose Carlos Fajardo/Bay Area News Group)

OAKLAND -- Oklahoma City's Russell Westbrook is sitting home out of the playoffs courtesy of the Warriors, but if he's watching the NBA Finals in his easy chair, Westbrook may yet get in the last snarky laugh about Stephen Curry's "underrated defense."

Without much question, particularly in the last two games, the Cleveland Cavaliers have attempted to break down the Warriors' intricate switching defenses by waiting for the switch that makes Curry the on-ball defender, at which point they initiate their attack to the basket.

The strategy has served several purposes. First, it has created many mismatches at what the Cavs perceive to be the weakest individual link in the Warriors' defense -- Curry. Moreover, Curry has found himself in tough defensive situations against LeBron James, Kyrie Irving and even Tristan Thompson after the switch. It got him in foul trouble in Game 6 as he tried to compensate by reaching, and it even served to unravel him emotionally when he finally fouled out.

Second, there's a domino effect. When Curry requires help on defense, it pulls Draymond Green or a true big away from the basket, and Cleveland has seized that opportunity to do significant damage with Thompson under the basket, either through a lob pass or offensive rebound put-backs.

"That's been an issue," admitted Warriors assistant Ron Adams. "(Thompson) has been a really good player for them. Aside from the obvious (of LeBron), if I were picking a pivotal player in the series, it's been him."

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Finally, understanding that Curry is probably not 100 percent physically, the Cavaliers are simply trying to make the Warriors' MVP guard work as hard as he can as a defender to perhaps cool his jets a bit at the offensive end. It's debatable how well that has worked, but it's clear that Curry has missed a number of open-look 3-pointers that he normally buries.

Curry and the Warriors and know this is happening, and how they adjust could be one of key factors in who wins Game 7 on Sunday at Oracle Arena. For Curry's part, he believes it's just a matter of him being a lot sharper on the defensive end.

"All I need to do is just stay out of foul trouble," Curry said Saturday. "That's the only thing I worry about. The kind of schemes they're doing to put me in screen-and-rolls or try to isolate me against bigger guys hasn't really hurt us that bad except if I get into foul trouble."

The Warriors are worried enough about it, though, that they have taken a good hard look at it.

"I mean, we looked at the numbers and stuff, and my one-on-one defense, and I think I can hold my own in those situations, especially if it's iso situations and the clock's running down and whatnot," Curry said. "I'm comfortable in that position. As long as I'm on the floor, I think we'll be all right."

Asked if the Warriors have to adjust to the Cavs and perhaps "stay at home" more on individual defensive matchups to avoid unfavorable situations for Curry, coach Steve Kerr was up front.

"It's a good question," he said. "It's a difficult one to answer because there are so many different circumstances on the floor. It kind of depends on who else is on the floor in terms of their lineup. We have certain schemes where we will switch, others where we'll go under, others where we'll stay at home. So there's a lot of different scenarios. But this is something that both teams are doing constantly, trying to find matchups that make sense and trying to create advantages. It's all part of the game."

Kerr agreed that even if it accomplishes nothing more than making Curry work harder, it might be a successful strategy.

"Oh, sure, sure ... that's something that most teams try to do," he said. "It makes perfect sense. The guy's that good of a shooter and that good of a player. Yeah, you make him work hard at the other end to try to wear him down."

The Cavs are so confident about attacking Curry's defense that they readily admit they're doing it.

"I don't think it's any secret, Steph's a little banged up," Cleveland's Richard Jefferson said. "Steph will take the challenge defensively, but there are things that are very, very difficult. You look at the last series (against Oklahoma City), he guarded (Andre) Roberson a ton, and it put Roberson in a position where he had to make some plays. But against our team, there's no one who's just going to be standing in the corner not doing anything.

"Give coach Tyronn Lue a ton of credit, he's coming up with plays on the fly, he's putting us in positions to try and attack areas where we feel like we have an advantage."

Added J.R. Smith about getting Curry in the on-ball defensive matchup: "We try to do it as much as we can. More than anything, we don't want him to just sit there and rest on the defensive end while he gets his legs coming down on the offensive end. We're trying to make him work on both sides as much as possible."

Draymond Green was one player who wasn't buying the theory that too much defensive switching might crippling the defense with the way the Cavs are trying to exploit Curry with different matchups.

"When you're in foul trouble, anyone is a tough matchup," Green said. "They got those same switches in Games 1 and 2 and it didn't work so well. We feel like anyone we have on the floor can guard anyone they have on the floor. That's the magic to our defense."

Curry agreed, and he doesn't foresee not executing switches just to avoid a tough matchup.

"No, I have to lend support if I'm guarding the guy setting the screen," he said. "If it requires a switch, then we do it. That's my game plan ... just don't foul."
 
Thing is, everybody is talking about stopping LeBrons game. At this point, nobody's stopping that dude. He's always got his and will continue to get his. What's killing Golden State, is the Richard Jefferson's, Tristan Thompson's, JR Smith, those are the players the Warriors need to focus on containing. LeBron getting his 40 isn't the problem, it's when the rest of the team plays the way that they've been playing.

JR smith will contain himself, he has been gun shy all series in Oakland. I think the Warriors win easily tomorrow, I can't see Lebron getting the support he needs outside of Irving.
 
JR smith will contain himself, he has been gun shy all series in Oakland. I think the Warriors win easily tomorrow, I can't see Lebron getting the support he needs outside of Irving.


Man he just need to do what he do.


Be active, if he don't sho up and Barnes don't sho up, advantage Cavs(smith play some defense)
 
Man he just need to do what he do.


Be active, if he don't sho up and Barnes don't sho up, advantage Cavs(smith play some defense)

I think we'll know early man. If those role players come out playing like shit (thompson, JR SMith, etc), it's gonna be a long night.
 
JR smith will contain himself, he has been gun shy all series in Oakland. I think the Warriors win easily tomorrow, I can't see Lebron getting the support he needs outside of Irving.

Game 7s in the NBA finals usually has the game close at the half and the home team gets some separation in the 3rd and then they extend it out in the 4th. That's typical. We'll see.

I think this game will end how it starts. The Cavs have a lot of momentum. If the Warriors don't come out early and break that momentum... as in estabishing very quickly they are the better team, gonna be problematic. Also, keeping the game close or with the Cavs ahead means the Cavs are less likely to default to jmp shooting. They Cavs will be the warriors if they attack the basket. Warriors can't handle that type of game.. that's been clear.
 
I think we'll know early man. If those role players come out playing like shit (thompson, JR SMith, etc), it's gonna be a long night.

We'll know by the first few whistles the refs blow. It's fucked up, but that's how it is. In the real world, Lebron can have the entire team in foul trouble by the 2nd quarter.
 
We'll know by the first few whistles the refs blow. It's fucked up, but that's how it is. In the real world, Lebron can have the entire team in foul trouble by the 2nd quarter.

Yeah. The role players and how the refs start calling the game will tell a lot...but I actually think with Bogut out and Iggy hurt (if he's really hurt) the Cavs are the better team. You're essentially depending on the Warriors having a good shooting night to win because they can't stop the Cavs from scoring.

But Bogut out and Iggy hurt.. they don't have anyone that scares you in the paint and they don't have anyone that can stop Kyrie or Lebron from getting in the lane.

As much as we make this about the Warriors' offense, it's really always been out their defense. They can make certain teams work really hard to get good shot... well, they could.. but they've lost their interior and perimeter anchors... now you can just screen to get mismatches... When Kyrie is shooting well, he absolutely can't be defended.. so Klay is just an average defender at that point..no impact. Curry is always being sought out as an exploitable mismatch. They're trying to get him mismatched on whoever has the ball..

Slowing up the Cavs offense depended on Iggy locking down Lebron. Thus, the ball would stop at Lebron or would stay in Kyries hands.. which meant there was no movement. With Iggy not 100%, Lebron is getting to any spot on the floor he wants.. which gets a guy like Thompson 10 points solely on easy dunks. TT caught like 4 oops in the last game.

And then since all the dunks and driving happens, they have to collapse to the paint..which opens up easy jump shots.

There is a real problem going on here for the Warriors....

So now you're dependent on the Warriors having a good shooting night and the role players showing up.. because as is, the Cavs actually do have an advantage.

I still think the Warriors win it because the home team almost always win game 7... but it's different with Bogut out and Iggy hurt.
 
and @gene cisco ... in my opinion, if the Cavs just aggressively attack the basket, they win. Warriors can't stop that.. they'll either have to give up easy buckets or get in foul trouble (unless the refs just don't blow the whistle).
 
and @gene cisco ... in my opinion, if the Cavs just aggressively attack the basket, they win. Warriors can't stop that.. they'll either have to give up easy buckets or get in foul trouble (unless the refs just don't blow the whistle).


Could be the case, but if they don't call the fouls continue to attack, put it on the refs to call or not to call.

Don't settle for the jumper just because fouls aren't being called. Let that shit look bad on the refs.
 
Could be the case, but if they don't call the fouls continue to attack, put it on the refs to call or not to call.

Don't settle for the jumper just because fouls aren't being called. Let that shit look bad on the refs.

They actually attacked consistently in games 1 and 2 but didn't get the calls. But the NBA finals usually starts off like that they start to call the game tighter and tighter with each passing game.
 
I'm going with the assumption that Iggy will be around 85%. Harrison Barnes can be a slight difference maker. He's been donut for two straight games, but a solid 10 pints from him could make a world of difference. Iggy is looking to shoot jumpers. Not much mobility with a bad back, but I am assuming he will be able to attack some. Ideally, Curry and Klay should look to get off early. No need to worry about the role players filling in. They'll do that in the flow of the offense. Draymond needs to do something as well. He look regular as hell in game 6.

I think for the Cavs, they'll have to win this game with Kevin Love in the game. I suspect that TT will pick up some early fouls and not be as much as an impact as he has been. Bron should just attack like he has been. Foul or not.

If it's close, I give the advantage to GS.
 
Yeah. The role players and how the refs start calling the game will tell a lot...but I actually think with Bogut out and Iggy hurt (if he's really hurt) the Cavs are the better team. You're essentially depending on the Warriors having a good shooting night to win because they can't stop the Cavs from scoring.

But Bogut out and Iggy hurt.. they don't have anyone that scares you in the paint and they don't have anyone that can stop Kyrie or Lebron from getting in the lane.

As much as we make this about the Warriors' offense, it's really always been out their defense. They can make certain teams work really hard to get good shot... well, they could.. but they've lost their interior and perimeter anchors... now you can just screen to get mismatches... When Kyrie is shooting well, he absolutely can't be defended.. so Klay is just an average defender at that point..no impact. Curry is always being sought out as an exploitable mismatch. They're trying to get him mismatched on whoever has the ball..

Slowing up the Cavs offense depended on Iggy locking down Lebron. Thus, the ball would stop at Lebron or would stay in Kyries hands.. which meant there was no movement. With Iggy not 100%, Lebron is getting to any spot on the floor he wants.. which gets a guy like Thompson 10 points solely on easy dunks. TT caught like 4 oops in the last game.

And then since all the dunks and driving happens, they have to collapse to the paint..which opens up easy jump shots.

There is a real problem going on here for the Warriors....

So now you're dependent on the Warriors having a good shooting night and the role players showing up.. because as is, the Cavs actually do have an advantage.

I still think the Warriors win it because the home team almost always win game 7... but it's different with Bogut out and Iggy hurt.

That's why he was MVP last year and was seemingly frustrating Bron earlier in the series. Iggy is like a fucking itch that Lebron had a problem with. It's like being at a cookout, and the bugs just fucking with you. Without Iggy be 100, Lebron can eat at the cookout. Just matters if he gets help.

What worries me is Mr fucking glass and his toe. Fragile Irving. He can make KT work(since we know Curry can't guard him). If he is really hurt, LBJ is going to have to have the best performance OR get miracle help from a source other than Irving.
 
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