Man how can you go back and forth with that weirdo, man? He doesn't believe that shit he just wants attention.
Message to LeBron Haters: Was Jordan REALLY THAT much better than LeBron?
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Jordans years in Washington were so bad so embarassing his fans have to pretensd they didnt exist. Kareem, Wilt, Duncan, Russell are examples of players whos fans DONT have to do that. They were still productive at an old age and their teams were still highly competitive. Jordan like Kobe later was reduced to farewell tours and all star sympathy votes. Take away Jordans Wizards years and LeBron is bout a season away from passing him in points, already passed him in rebounds, assists, FG%, 3s, triple doubles, double doubles. By the time Bron retires Jordans #'s will be miniscule in comparison.
Jordan fans cant even make arguments for him over Bron anymore just ring counts and hypotheticals. He's Kobe now.
Jordan fans cant even make arguments for him over Bron anymore just ring counts and hypotheticals. He's Kobe now.
Jordans years in Washington were so bad so embarassing his fans have to pretensd they didnt exist. Kareem, Wilt, Duncan, Russell are examples of players whos fans DONT have to do that. They were still productive at an old age and their teams were still highly competitive. Jordan like Kobe later was reduced to farewell tours and all star sympathy votes. Take away Jordans Wizards years and LeBron is bout a season away from passing him in points, already passed him in rebounds, assists, FG%, 3s, triple doubles, double doubles. By the time Bron retires Jordans #'s will be miniscule in comparison.
Jordan fans cant even make arguments for him over Bron anymore just ring counts and hypotheticals. He's Kobe now.
Boom!
You are correct, no one can objectively answer your question because it is a fallacy which a based on an unsound argument.
How can anyone view it as right or wrong when it is a fallacy?
Then you are so quick to attempt to sound intelligent that you forgot one major point. As a Rookie MJ lead his team to the NBA playoffs and gutted out a win against Boston who went on to win the NBA title.
Lebron's rookie year he did not sniff the playoffs. So if you want to focus on the one season without Pippen in hiz early years he by your Fallacy out performed Lebron.
Again... Did Pippen play with Jordan in Washington? Funny how when YOUR back is against the wall you move the goal post to try to reduce Jordans failures...
You just made my whole argument... Jordans one playoff win was in his rookie season... He didnt SNIFF the second round after that outside of those Pippen years... THINK ON THAT. Not ONE TEAM achievement FOR HIS CAREER without Pippen... Not one!! No fallacy...FACT!! The fallacy is how you try to eliminate Jordans pathetic years to strengthen your argument... Thats the fallacy here Bruh... @KingTaharqa basically cancelled all that bullshit. Why dobyou keep avoiding those years, and all of his pre Pippen failure YET build your platform on those 6 chips? Are those years not part of his career... Im using LeBrons whole career INCLUDING his non Miami years... Whats up?
Your argument is even a larger fallacy now. With MJ getting to the playoffs and winning a game against the World champs you dont want to talk about that anymore.Again... Did Pippen play with Jordan in Washington? Funny how when YOUR back is against the wall you move the goal post to try to reduce Jordans failures...
You just made my whole argument... Jordans one playoff win was in his rookie season... He didnt SNIFF the second round after that outside of those Pippen years... THINK ON THAT. Not ONE TEAM achievement FOR HIS CAREER without Pippen... Not one!! No fallacy...FACT!! The fallacy is how you try to eliminate Jordans pathetic years to strengthen your argument... Thats the fallacy here Bruh... @KingTaharqa basically cancelled all that bullshit. Why dobyou keep avoiding those years, and all of his pre Pippen failure YET build your platform on those 6 chips? Are those years not part of his career... Im using LeBrons whole career INCLUDING his non Miami years... Whats up?
So now you argument is that MJ did not win a playoff game his 2nd season in which he only played 18 games. Because Pippen arrived the following season so there goes the Pippen argument.
No need to talk about it. I never discredited those years or his dominance during those years so find where Ive ever acted like they didnt exist, so theres no need for me to debate it... The Fallacy is you constantly trying to cop pleas or outright disregard the fact that he was a glorified gunner who was a collosal failure in the team and leadership dynamic without Pippen especially as it compares to LeBron in that same context. He played 18 games that year but the fact remains he was healthy come playoff time AND the fact that that team was still good enough to be in playoff contention without him for 64 games speaks even more volumes on how ineffective his stat padding was then....
Ive been talking about his ONE playoff win for 7 pages now bruh... Really?!?!?
Lebron got passed up by another player in his prime. Steph took that dudes heart and crown. Got Lebron sub tweeting and firing coaches. How exactly are you the Goat and get passed up by another player while in your prime?LeBron is a better all around player than Michael Jordan. And thats backed by stats and fact.
Jordan dominated scoring and is primarily known for that while Bron is known for all around play. If a Jordan fan cant concede that at this point...lol
Jordan did NOT play in the "toughest defensive era".
LeBron has or will surpass Jordan in most statistical categories. Which is why MJ has become Kobe and his rings are only mentioned. Brons body of work is becoming more impressive.
Michael Jordan played 5 seasons without Scottie. And never had a winning season, or MVP season without him.
BGOL like most young black men and hoodrat women have an emotional attachment to Jordans BRAND, so unlike any other player in NBA history its difficult for them to look at the player in a non biased way. So these discussions always go 1 way.
Mj played 13 seasons with the Bulls and won 6 titles but he had a lot of failures in his career?
So losing to the world champs and the defending world champs in the two seasons without Pippen is unexcusable?
LeBron isnt the GOAT. And never will be. Thats Wilts chamber. He is a better all around player than MJ tho. And a 2 guard being surpassed by a small forward isnt a good look.
We not talking about Wilt. We talking about Lebron and your comment on him
And we not talkin bout Steph but you threw his name out there. LeBron is a better all around player than MJ. And its really not close.
One playoff win for an entire career is...
Yes... One playoff win for a career without superstar support is a lot of failure... LeBron on the other hand.... Nevermind, you already know
An update on Dominique ...
http://www.tmz.com/2016/05/30/dominique-wilkins-kobe-bryant-nickname-trademark/
http://www.tmz.com/2016/05/30/dominique-wilkins-kobe-bryant-nickname-trademark/
Agreed. My pops is a big fan, and he often notes how much of a presence he is. Especially when he's got a full head of steam or is blasting through defenders. The hops too. As a defender ... careful not to get posterized over the past decade plus!
Bump for Schitzo! 
Schitzo!!!!! 
Jordan Never lost a NBA finals..
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Neither did Havlicek. 8-0
Or Pippen. 6-0
Russell is 11-1 in the Finals
Jones is 10-1 in the Finals
Do their Finals records make them better than Jordan? If not then that argument doesnt work against Bron either. LeBron could win 4 rings and that still wouldnt make him better than Wilt who has 2 IMO.
You know Basketball sir.
This is nonsense. Jordan averaged over 21 ppg and 6 Rebs ppg in Washington in his late 30's. In comparison Duncan averaged 9 ppg this year. I didn't bother looking up Wilt or Russell. But this dude put up All Star numbers at that age and its "so bad"Jordans years in Washington were so bad so embarassing his fans have to pretensd they didnt exist. Kareem, Wilt, Duncan, Russell are examples of players whos fans DONT have to do that. They were still productive at an old age and their teams were still highly competitive. Jordan like Kobe later was reduced to farewell tours and all star sympathy votes. Take away Jordans Wizards years and LeBron is bout a season away from passing him in points, already passed him in rebounds, assists, FG%, 3s, triple doubles, double doubles. By the time Bron retires Jordans #'s will be miniscule in comparison.
Jordan fans cant even make arguments for him over Bron anymore just ring counts and hypotheticals. He's Kobe now.
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Truthfully, on court skills and stats are very close between the two. The differences in various categories is very close, and there are hardly any stats where one is far and away much better than the other.
LeBron will pass a lot of career stats of MJ because he will have a longer career, etc. and the 'by the age of' comparisons are off as well, because LeBron started his career 4 years earlier, so by the age of, he will have had 3 more full seasons of stat accumulation.
Different eras, different style of play so frankly, any comparison between the two can only intelligently be debated in terms of how they dominated and performed against their contemporaries in their given era.
MJ was clearly, beyond a shadow of a doubt the best player in his era. The gap between him, Reggie, Barkley, Clyde, GP, etc. was a pretty big one. Hakeem was the only player who really could challenge MJ for 'supremacy' during that time in my opinion, and I'd still give it to Jordan.
LeBron is clearly beyond a shadow of a doubt th ebest player in this era. Lately, because of the hype surrounding their style of play, and his otherworldly shooting ability, Steph has challenged that title in some peoples minds, winning 2 MVPs, but anybody with any common sense could NEVER say he is a better player than LeBron... its not even close.
If you are comparing them in terms of skills, and on court PHYSICAL achievement, its very close, but at 6'8" to be able to do the things athletically he does, LeBron has changed the game, so as a transcendent player, to me, he is better. MJ on the other hand, did a lot of things never seen before, and captivated the sports world in a way that hasn't been seen before or after his career, and in a world with no social media the way we have it now, that is impressive.
When it comes down to winning, thats where the line is drawn. Two schools of thought:
1: 6-0, undefeated, 6 time finals MVP, cannot be disputed
2: 6 straight finals, 2 chips is very impressive. Win or Lose, a lot of HOF players never get to a finals, to go to 6 straight is damn near impossible and should be celebrated. It's frankly an achievement that I don't believe we will ever see again.
With basketball being a team sport, you cannot lay a loss on the head of one guy and qualify him as a loser because of it. (I know I fuck around and talk shit about LeBron, but thats pretty much all it is, talking shit!).
Its really pick your poison, some value longevity and levels of success over winning when you get their and being undefeated.
I'm of the school of though that, when you reach the top, winning, and being the best player on the court when you do when trumps getting their multiple times. So for me, MJ > LeBron, but is extremely close.
As much as I clown, I really don't disrespect or completely disagree for those who believe LeBron's body of work makes him #1. It's really a pick your poison conversation. I'm just glad to have been able to see the entire careers of both Guys, and to me, they are 1/1a in terms of the best players I've ever seen play.
Truthfully, on court skills and stats are very close between the two. The differences in various categories is very close, and there are hardly any stats where one is far and away much better than the other.
LeBron will pass a lot of career stats of MJ because he will have a longer career, etc. and the 'by the age of' comparisons are off as well, because LeBron started his career 4 years earlier, so by the age of, he will have had 3 more full seasons of stat accumulation.
Different eras, different style of play so frankly, any comparison between the two can only intelligently be debated in terms of how they dominated and performed against their contemporaries in their given era.
MJ was clearly, beyond a shadow of a doubt the best player in his era. The gap between him, Reggie, Barkley, Clyde, GP, etc. was a pretty big one. Hakeem was the only player who really could challenge MJ for 'supremacy' during that time in my opinion, and I'd still give it to Jordan.
LeBron is clearly beyond a shadow of a doubt th ebest player in this era. Lately, because of the hype surrounding their style of play, and his otherworldly shooting ability, Steph has challenged that title in some peoples minds, winning 2 MVPs, but anybody with any common sense could NEVER say he is a better player than LeBron... its not even close.
If you are comparing them in terms of skills, and on court PHYSICAL achievement, its very close, but at 6'8" to be able to do the things athletically he does, LeBron has changed the game, so as a transcendent player, to me, he is better. MJ on the other hand, did a lot of things never seen before, and captivated the sports world in a way that hasn't been seen before or after his career, and in a world with no social media the way we have it now, that is impressive.
When it comes down to winning, thats where the line is drawn. Two schools of thought:
1: 6-0, undefeated, 6 time finals MVP, cannot be disputed
2: 6 straight finals, 2 chips is very impressive. Win or Lose, a lot of HOF players never get to a finals, to go to 6 straight is damn near impossible and should be celebrated. It's frankly an achievement that I don't believe we will ever see again.
With basketball being a team sport, you cannot lay a loss on the head of one guy and qualify him as a loser because of it. (I know I fuck around and talk shit about LeBron, but thats pretty much all it is, talking shit!).
Its really pick your poison, some value longevity and levels of success over winning when you get their and being undefeated.
I'm of the school of though that, when you reach the top, winning, and being the best player on the court when you do when trumps getting their multiple times. So for me, MJ > LeBron, but is extremely close.
As much as I clown, I really don't disrespect or completely disagree for those who believe LeBron's body of work makes him #1. It's really a pick your poison conversation. I'm just glad to have been able to see the entire careers of both Guys, and to me, they are 1/1a in terms of the best players I've ever seen play.
Steph Curry just may win his 2nd ring in 2 days, but if you ask BGOL is he better than Allen Iverson then gon say hell no. The ring argument is a desperation move cuz Brons stats are better than MJs.
And he still couldnt make the playoffs in a Eastern conference dominated by a weak Nets team led by Jason Kidd and Kerry Kittles. His fans say those years shouldnt count even tho he shot 21 times a game and hand crafted that team and coaching staff as Washingtons GM the previous 2 years. Jordans tenure in DC was a failure which is why he was fired. His teammates hated playing with him, he didnt have the same infastructure or chemistry he took for granted in Chicago.
If you were comparing the Lebron of Game 5 to Jordan, then I would think it's a good comparison.
But LeBron has come up short waaaay too many times to be compared to MJ overall.
Stats aside. Just from watching them play Jordan Always dominated in the Finals. Always outplayed the other teams star. Lebron got outshined by Steph, Duncan,Dirk, and probably some more motherfuckers in the Finals.
It's a whole different look, stats may be close, but anybody with two eyes knows they're mentally totally different and that difference shows up during crunchtime.
Lebron does it Sometimes
Jordan did it damn near Everytime
But LeBron has come up short waaaay too many times to be compared to MJ overall.
Stats aside. Just from watching them play Jordan Always dominated in the Finals. Always outplayed the other teams star. Lebron got outshined by Steph, Duncan,Dirk, and probably some more motherfuckers in the Finals.
It's a whole different look, stats may be close, but anybody with two eyes knows they're mentally totally different and that difference shows up during crunchtime.
Lebron does it Sometimes
Jordan did it damn near Everytime
Jordan came up short in 95 vs Nick Anderson. Changing his jersey # mid series cuz Nick clowned him.
Jordan came up short vs Bird and the Celtics being swept 2 years in a row in the first round.
LeBron has never lost in the 1st round and only been swept once in the Finals.Jordan came up short vs. the Pistons 3 years in a row. He quit on his team in Game 5 of the 89 series only taking 9 shots and choking away a 2-1 series lead.
Jordan has plenty small moments in the first, 2nd, and conference Final rounds of the playoffs. Just because they didnt happen in the Finals doesnt mean they dont exist. Jordan only went to the Finals 6 times. LeBron and Kobe took their teams their more. Jordan played 15 seasons, most years he wasnt good enough to get out the east.
Wait a min bro..i don't think LBJ has been clearly without a shadow of doubt been the best player of his era..you including kobe in his era??what about Duncan?? Come on bro.....
Youve got to read the context of my post fam. Separating chips and team accomplishments, overall skillset wise, i seriously believe LeBron is better than those two.
Let's go skill set wise..kobe was better than lbj in every way on the offensive end except passing and it's not close..on the defensive end lbj might be better but it's not overwhelming better...there's no way u or anyone else can say that lbj is without a shadow of doubt better than kobe from a skill set perspective..i think u reaching...
Why is it any time brothas are talking basketball, a cracka has to bring up Larry Bird?
LeBron is better than Kobe in every way. Kobe was a better FT shooter thats about it. Brons a better scorer, a better rebounder, better passer, better defender. And the numbers reflect that. Head to head he was 14-6 vs. Kobe with better stats as well. Post Kobe's #'s and we can compare.
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