Game Of Thrones: The Sopranos with swords or Dynasty in chainmail?

[sumofyallniggasisbitches2]

You are assuming that Arya could do things she was not allowed to do…

Arya cannot change her looks the same way that a ‘faceless man’ could.

She was warned that ‘the masks are like poison’ to her…BECAUSE she was NOT a ‘true faceless man’ yet. (Keywords: not yet)

The ONE & ONLY time she ever DID use the masks (before she was ready)… she ‘went blind’ because of it.

Therefore, she cannot use any of the ‘masks’ seen in the House of Black & White to change her appearance, like the Waif could.

- When she puts the poison in the actor’s rum…. Arya IS NOT YET a ‘faceless man’…. that’s WHY she was even noticed leaving. (Because she could not use someone else’s identity to make a ‘clean getaway’. )

I don't think that she has to take on someone else's appearance to go unnoticed. My impression is that even with her regular face she should be "noone" and be able to move in and out of situations unnoticed. Remember even the waif was there without a face at the same place Arya was and noone noticed. Hell even Arya walked right by her without knowing she was there. The waif even got back there again unnoticed when she killed the actress. My impression on being a Faceless Man is that even without another's face if you choose to you can just kind of blend in with the crowd without being truly recognized or warranting any additional attention from anyone.

- When the Waif stabs her…. Arya IS NOT YET a ‘faceless man’…. that’s WHY she was able to sneak up on her, completely unnoticed. (i.e. Fully-trained Faceless men NEVER stop being ‘faceless men’… while regular folks DO take a break sometimes, or ‘get caught slipping’…. if they get distracted by a beautiful Sunset & start daydreaming about what they are going to do FIRST... whenever they get back home for the first time in 5 over years )

While I agree that someone else could have been "caught slipping" there is no way I can see that happening to Arya right after she leaves the fold. If anything, it would have been more believable that the waif could have snuck up on her in a crowd and got her. To be all alone on that bridge and that old crone just come up on you like that...her spidey senses should have been blowing the fuck up. I think that was just an example of bad writing and direction in this episode. If I have people looking to peel my wig back for some shit I just did, and I know they can reach out and touch me at any place and any time and through anyone, it ain't no letting ya guard down. At least not that soon.....

First of all, she doesn’t OWE the Faceless Men anything.

All ‘debts’ are paid directly to the Many-Faced God.

The Faceless Men just ‘manage the books’, so to speak… to ensure the debts are actually paid.

(If you owe a loanshark money... eventually, he will send his 'leg-breakers' to collect. and that's exactly what the Faceless men are like.... consider them the 'life-snatchers' for the Many-Faced God. )

So yes, Arya DID fulfill her obligation to the Many-Faced God.

- A ‘jealous actress’ paid for 1 Death. Only.
- So Arya was supposed to deliver 1 death to the Many-Faced God. (i.e. The Lady Crane)
- But Arya gave the Waif’s death to the Many-Faced God instead.

Therefore, Arya doesn’t OWE Jaqen, or the Faceless Men a damn thing.

- Someone paid for 1 ‘orchestrated death’ from the Faceless men… and they got one.
- It just wasn’t the Death they were expecting.
- And at the end of the day…. it does NOT matter to the Many-Faced God. A death is a death.

That’s WHY she is allowed to leave…. without ever needing to look over her shoulder for the rest of her life.

I still don't buy it. When she doesn't kill the actress, regardless of who she owed the life to, she violated the rules. Whether she owed the god or the Faceless Men, at this point she hadn't killed anyone and there was no reason to assume she would proactively kill anyone else to pay her death for a death balance. Then she just dips off to her little murder hole and seemingly the Faceless Men have no idea where this is. This is actually where I was talking about her leaving initially. The Faceless Men seem to know just about everything, but they don't know where the hideout is. C'MON SON. It does make sense that she has finally settled the debt by killing the waif which leads to her returning to the House of Black and White. However, if the waif never tried to kill her or didn't get the chance to kill her because Arya was able to get the fuck out of Braavos, then that debt would have still been unpaid.

Not at all.

Think about it…

The Waif was much more ‘disciplined’ than Arya.
So she would never have ‘gone blind’ at any point for disobeying Jaqen.
And there was no evidence on the tv show to suggest that the Waif ‘went blind during her training’ at any point.

Now, we could use YOU as a better example.

Let’s say YOU are a UFC heavyweight fighter, for arguments’ sake ….

Go stand alone in your bathroom…. or in a closet that has zero windows (nor any light of any kind peeking below the doorway)….
Or wait until nighttime, if it helps to achieve 'total darkness' in the room you have chosen……

Now cut the lights off quickly…….

Notice, your pupils need some time to ‘adjust’ to the darkness….

While your pupils are adjusting.... that’s the same time when Arya is ‘poking you’ full of holes with Needle.

Cuz it only takes mere split-seconds.

Then she would just stand still in the corner for a few minutes…. as you bled to death….. while swinging around recklessly in the dark.

Hitting nothing at all.


There’s your answer.

So you mean to tell me that if you're running this badassed crew that's on some League of Assassins type shit...the type of shit that demands and expects complete submission and loyalty, that some people are gonna be taught some skills and the others who put in the same type of work aren't schooled in the same manner.


Furthermore to cement and reinforce my point on this, we all agree that Arya was only at her training for a short while. So it can be logically argued that she is still in "basic" training that every Faceless Man would have received.

At the end of the day, even though I didn't completely dislike the way they told the story, I feel it had some seriously bad points with the writing and direction of it. However, I did like that fight/running scared scene through the streets of Braavos. That scene was fire. Was I the only one that thought the waif looked like she was on some Terminator T1000 type shit????

 

[Flawless]

their backup plan is going to get her killed or destroy the entire city - how smart is that?

Ok Miss Cleo can I get next weeks lotto numbers while your at it?

 

[Flawless]

everyone of them broke the rules of power and payed the price some more severe than others - so far the only true players are Varis and Little Finger - Danny hasn't even entered the game yet

Cersi is stupid on multiple occasions - but recently its she never should have used the sparrow and faith militant in the first place- fanatics are dangerous and uncontrollable, it was stupid considering the city was still recovering from a food shortage and mass public discontent. She was too stupid too arrogant to respect and fear mob rule or public uprising even before the sparrow.

I still don't get why you single out Cersei when Stanmis murdered his own brother and burnt his daughter to the stake because some ginger bitch told him to do it, he is by far the dumbest person and biggest fail in the series

 

[ViCiouS]

Ok Miss Cleo can I get next weeks lotto numbers while your at it?

remember my post... use numerology to break it down for lotto

 

[ViCiouS]

I still don't get why you single out Cersei when Stanmis murdered his own brother and burnt his daughter to the stake because some ginger bitch told him to do it, he is by far the dumbest person and biggest fail in the series

he broke a rule of power - and payed for it
hideous acts aren't automatically stupid - but burning your own kid in front of your army was dumb

 

[Damian Stone]

So how far away are we to a resolution to the Game Of Thrones? There is no clear winner so far. All the top families lost major players, I would hate to believe an unknown element (to us the viewers) would just show up and clean house.
In other words, who do you have your money on?
Which house you are backing?

 

[Give Me 3ft.]

Why do the book readers

Always have to drop clues &

Or tell us what happened in the books!

 

[ViCiouS]

So how far away are we to a resolution to the Game Of Thrones? There is no clear winner so far. All the top families lost major players, I would hate to believe an unknown element (to us the viewers) would just show up and clean house.
In other words, who do you have your money on?
Which house you are backing?

I think after this season its 15 episodes left - but the end game is forming up now

 

[LSN]

So how far away are we to a resolution to the Game Of Thrones? There is no clear winner so far. All the top families lost major players, I would hate to believe an unknown element (to us the viewers) would just show up and clean house.
In other words, who do you have your money on?
Which house you are backing?

dany and/or jon although he still seems extremely reluctant to be the leader he's destined to be

 

[TheFuser]

Imma need niggas to stop going hard looking for realism in this damn series. It has dragons and half dead ice demons, and we wanna talk about plot holes?

 

[Kubrick]

The last two episodes have been a bit 'meh to me. I don't like how they are closing some of the Arcs

- So Tully escapes the Red Wedding, takes back Riverrun and Edmure just walks up and says give up? For a son he has never seen and to aid the person who murdered his entire family ?
- Arya gets stabbed up, sleeps it off, defeats the person who has been whooping her ass all season
- Tommen has gone gone full retard for the High Septon ... why?

 

[dawilleyone]

Joffrey was his own entity. I hate Joffrey but he was who he was and he was not letting anyone punk him out of being it. Fuck it. Cersei even Tywin knew you could TRY but ultimately Joffrey was gonna do what Joffrey wanna do
This lil twerp Tommen has no identity. He is whoever is around him tells him to be.
I think he's gay too.

Nah, Tywin and Tyrion both put that sociopath Joffrey in check when they needed to. It's only because they system gave him power he didn't earn that he had any authority at all. He didn't exercise power, he abused it and it got him killed.

Tommen is weak, but he's not inherently flawed like Joffrey was. If he was from any other family he might live long enough to learn from his mistakes. but not in this story.

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

Cersei is a grown ass woman though
Sansa was a child and a teenager 2 different standards should be required judging both

While,true...Sansa need to stop trying to run things,when she couldn't do shit for herself for awhile.

This is the same person that had the opportunity to leave Kings Landing,before getting force to marry Joffrey

But somehow,she's trying to Jon what should be done

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Nah, Tywin and Tyrion both put that sociopath Joffrey in check when they needed to. It's only because they system gave him power he didn't earn that he had any authority at all. He didn't exercise power, he abused it and it got him killed.

Tommen is weak, but he's not inherently flawed like Joffrey was. If he was from any other family he might live long enough to learn from his mistakes. but not in this story.

His inherent flaw is his weakness. In the context of the entire game of thrones, being weak is one of the biggest flaws you can possibly have.

 

[TheFuser]

The last two episodes have been a bit 'meh to me. I don't like how they are closing some of the Arcs

- So Tully escapes the Red Wedding, takes back Riverrun and Edmure just walks up and says give up? For a son he has never seen and to aid the person who murdered his entire family ?
- Arya gets stabbed up, sleeps it off, defeats the person who has been whooping her ass all season
- Tommen has gone gone full retard for the High Septon ... why?

Edmure was chillin until Jamie threatened his child. It's believable IMO.
Arya fucked her up in the dark. She leveled the playing field
Tommen is bitch made and impressionable. For a youngin who's dad died when he was very young, it's not out of the question that he'd listen to a charismatic father figure.

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

The last two episodes have been a bit 'meh to me. I don't like how they are closing some of the Arcs

- So Tully escapes the Red Wedding, takes back Riverrun and Edmure just walks up and says give up? For a son he has never seen and to aid the person who murdered his entire family ?
- Arya gets stabbed up, sleeps it off, defeats the person who has been whooping her ass all season
- Tommen has gone gone full retard for the High Septon ... why?

I'm still don't understand,how they let Arya get so careless when she's been mostly careful,since leaving Kings Landing,after her father died..

I understand,Tommen is a kid,but to ignore what the High Sparrow did to your mother and wife and not do anything about is retarded as fuck...Not only did he allowed it to happened,but he's acting like things is all good now

 

[younggiftedandblack]

I don't get why people are having such a hard time with Arya getting stabbed. lol It's fantasy, and it's not like she stopped bleeding, she was still leaking all over the streets.

Edmure was a broken man, he had been imprisoned for years and the only family he really cared about where dead. They established in the past that he and his uncle didn't care too much for each other.

 

[dawilleyone]

I understand,Tommen is a kid,but to ignore what the High Sparrow did to your mother and wife and not do anything about is retarded as fuck...Not only did he allowed it to happened,but he's acting like things is all good now

Tommen knows his mother doesn't like Margaery, it's not a big leap from there to figure out that He also knows his mother is the reason Margaery got hemmed up with the High Septon. He probably thinks he's making progress by the fact that his bride doesn't have to do the walk of shame like his mother did.

He's just a weak kid that was playing with his kittens a year or two ago. Now he's in the center of a big political crisis. He just wants to hit the reset switch and he can't because his mother's actions. He could go out all Joffrey style and Lady Olenna will just have his ass poisoned too

 

[code_pirahna]

I can see the Greyjoy's fleet coming and destroying the masters

 

[Flawless]

I can see the Greyjoy's fleet coming and destroying the masters

I think the dragons will make quick work of them first

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

I don't get why people are having such a hard time with Arya getting stabbed. lol It's fantasy, and it's not like she stopped bleeding, she was still leaking all over the streets.

Edmure was a broken man, he had been imprisoned for years and the only family he really cared about where dead. They established in the past that he and his uncle didn't care too much for each other.

It has nothing to do with Arya getting stabbed it has everything to do how the writers wrote her character.In episode 6,she understood they were after her and then the very next episode they let her get careless and get stabbed in the gut..that to me makes no sense at all.

 

[younggiftedandblack]

It has nothing to do with Arya getting stabbed it has everything to do how the writers wrote her character.In episode 6,she understood they were after her and then the very next episode they let her get careless and get stabbed in the gut..that to me makes no sense at all.

I'm not referring to BGOL. Other places on the net, people are freaking out about the lack of realism of her getting stabbed and not dying or being able to take off running.

 

[Amajorfucup]

I can see the Greyjoy's fleet coming and destroying the masters

Shit, i thought that was the GreyJoy fleet.

 

[Jay_from_dade]

And too dead the whole arya planed on being attacked and stabbed argument while day dreaming and shit.

Arya didn't know she was on a hit list.

She said to no face "you sent her to kill me?"

Proving she didn't think that was possible.

Once again she is a lucky idiot.

 

[Flawless]

And too dead the whole arya planed on being attacked and stabbed argument while day dreaming and shit.

Arya didn't know she was on a hit list.

She said to no face "you sent her to kill me?"

Proving she didn't think that was possible.

Once again she is a lucky idiot.

It always reminds me of that scene in Breaking Bad when Walter put his watch down on the table and cats were coming up with all kinds of theories why he did it, and the writers finally said they thought it was a cool scene and it holds no signficance.

There is no way Arya planned any of that shit to get stabbed then go to the actress and drink milk of the poppy so she could sleep their helplessly while being hunted.

 

[Aww Skeet Skeet!]

While,true...Sansa need to stop trying to run things,when she couldn't do shit for herself for awhile.

This is the same person that had the opportunity to leave Kings Landing,before getting force to marry Joffrey

But somehow,she's trying to Jon what should be done

Yes, this bitch needs to shut the fuck up!

 

[Joe Money]

So how far away are we to a resolution to the Game Of Thrones? There is no clear winner so far. All the top families lost major players, I would hate to believe an unknown element (to us the viewers) would just show up and clean house.
In other words, who do you have your money on?
Which house you are backing?

House Stark. I've always thought the main theme of the show will be the fall and rebirth of House Stark. I read an interview somewhere in which GRRM said that the books series was only supposed to be a trilogy, but other books were added to give the Stark children more time to grow up. Some book readers have complained that the last book barely moved the plot ahead at all.

 

[grownazzblakman]

I don't think that she has to take on someone else's appearance to go unnoticed. My impression is that even with her regular face she should be "noone" and be able to move in and out of situations unnoticed. Remember even the waif was there without a face at the same place Arya was and noone noticed. Hell even Arya walked right by her without knowing she was there. The waif even got back there again unnoticed when she killed the actress. My impression on being a Faceless Man is that even without another's face if you choose to you can just kind of blend in with the crowd without being truly recognized or warranting any additional attention from anyone.

When she goes to poison the Actress..

Even with her hair up in a bun….. Arya looks like a ‘high born’ girl.
Compared to the Waif, who just looks like a ‘low born’ washer-woman.

The Waif LOOKS like… ‘the help’. Like a plain-jane maid.
She looks like she’ll take your clothes and go clean them somewhere... without being told to do so... and without saying a word.

But Arya LOOKS like ‘a Lady’.
She looks like the child.... of ‘someone important’… Because she 'carries' herself like nobility.
She wears fancy clothes… and ‘styles’ her hair... like she got some money in her pocket.

Just look at the Waif again.

She wears plain clothes.... with NO COLORS AT ALL in them... and has ZERO ‘style’ to her hair.
Looks like she just puts a bowl on her head… to cut her OWN hair. Then calls it a day.
She does not ‘stand out’ at all. In any meaningful way.

In a word.... she is very 'forgettable'.

That’s the BIG difference.
That’s why you don’t notice the Waif as much as Arya... in a room full of people.

While I agree that someone else could have been "caught slipping" there is no way I can see that happening to Arya right after she leaves the fold. If anything, it would have been more believable that the waif could have snuck up on her in a crowd and got her. To be all alone on that bridge and that old crone just come up on you like that...her spidey senses should have been blowing the fuck up. I think that was just an example of bad writing and direction in this episode. If I have people looking to peel my wig back for some shit I just did, and I know they can reach out and touch me at any place and any time and through anyone, it ain't no letting ya guard down. At least not that soon.....

Pause the video below at the 1:00 min mark exactly.

Arya simply stops on a bridge to ‘admire’ the scenery (or maybe to think about her 'destination').
She was there LESS than 10 seconds.

She’s distracted. She never even saw the waif/old lady approaching.
By the time she…. even turns…. to see WHO is even talking to her…. she’s getting sliced up.

THAT’s EXACTLY how you ‘get caught slipping.’

If you think that someone who just left the depressing interior of the House of Black & White... surrounded by all that DEATH.... wouldn't 'take a mental timeout' for a lousy 10 seconds... and would be on 'high alert' instead.... you are BUGGING.

I still don't buy it. When she doesn't kill the actress, regardless of who she owed the life to, she violated the rules. Whether she owed the god or the Faceless Men, at this point she hadn't killed anyone and there was no reason to assume she would proactively kill anyone else to pay her death for a death balance. Then she just dips off to her little murder hole and seemingly the Faceless Men have no idea where this is. This is actually where I was talking about her leaving initially. The Faceless Men seem to know just about everything, but they don't know where the hideout is. C'MON SON. It does make sense that she has finally settled the debt by killing the waif which leads to her returning to the House of Black and White. However, if the waif never tried to kill her or didn't get the chance to kill her because Arya was able to get the fuck out of Braavos, then that debt would have still been unpaid.

When she doesn't kill the actress, she still OWES a life to the Many-Faced God. (Agreed )

At this point she hadn't killed anyone and there was no reason to assume she would proactively kill anyone else to pay her death for a death balance. (Agreed )

Then she just dips off to her little murder hole and seemingly the Faceless Men have no idea where this is.
Do you think Jaqen Knows where the Waif goes whenever she is NOT at the House of Black & White? Nope. I doubt it.

Just like Arya.

They are NOT at the House of Black & White 24/7/365 days per year.
Yes, they DO leave, occasionally.

That’s WHY they didn’t know where her little cubby-hole is.
They are not 'following her around' ALL the time.... You just assume they ARE.

The Faceless Men (ie Jaqen)…..ONLY knows what Arya has previously TOLD THEM about her past. Little by little… she’s been saying things…. ever since Kings Landing… up to Harenhall… to the House of B&W… for 4 seasons now.

They are NOT mind-readers …. but they definitely ‘can tell’ whenever Arya is lying… by reading her body language, or maybe listening to the intonation of her voice... or observing ANY slightest ’tweak’ in her delivery... or by comparing a current ‘statement’ to some info she said awhile back.

The Faceless Men are the Westeros EXPERTS at reading ‘tells’.

However, if the waif never tried to kill her or didn't get the chance to kill her because Arya was able to get the fuck out of Braavos, then that debt would have still been unpaid. (Agreed )

So you mean to tell me that if you're running this badassed crew that's on some League of Assassins type shit...the type of shit that demands and expects complete submission and loyalty, that some people are gonna be taught some skills and the others who put in the same type of work aren't schooled in the same manner.

Furthermore to cement and reinforce my point on this, we all agree that Arya was only at her training for a short while. So it can be logically argued that she is still in "basic" training that every Faceless Man would have received.

You don’t get it.

‘Going Blind’…. is NOT a part of their assassin training.
Not 'basic' training... Nor 'advanced' training.

You seem to think…. IT MUST BE…. something that EVERYONE goes through.

But it is NOT.

‘Going Blind’…. was a ‘punishment’ for Arya WILLFULLY disobeying the Faceless Men… while using THEIR sacred equipment (ie the masks) for HER OWN 'personal benefit'.

She just turned that ‘punishment’….. into her ‘advantage’… to kill the Waif.

C'mon Son...

Ask yourself…. after watching the Waif in all these episodes…. does SHE come off as the ‘type’ of person to ‘willfully disobey’ Jaqen and use a facemask that she is NOT allowed to use?

Now even if you THINK she is that type of person…. there is ZERO proof that she IS…. and ZERO proof that she ever ‘went blind’.

 

[lazarus]

Why are her move idiotic? Look at the Starks, Tywin, Baratheons, and Greyjoys. They have all made dumb decisions which lead to their deaths so why single out Cersi?

starks do dumb shit out of pride. There's no fixing that because it's who they are.
Tywin is a dwarf in that world and survived being killed numerous times. Dude is crafty as fuck. But when he's heavy on the sauce, he gets sloppy.
Baratheons made moves based on trust and a strong belief in their own self-dominance. Stupid in its own way but they think they are better for no reason.
Greyjoys are twisted mofos who think they're shit don't stink. But they have competence to makes moves ahead of what's in front of them.
Cersi makes moves based on her feelings that day. Nothing loyal, nothing honorable, and something that could have been prevented. She makes moves for her own self-interest and her incest kids. Doesn't get big picture. If any of the other families got killed, they would be remembered for honor and fighting to the end.
Cersi would be for trying to get someone jailed cause she hating, and the priest wanted me to meet him here but i want him to meet me here, so now I'm dead.

 

[Jay_from_dade]

House Stark. I've always thought the main theme of the show will be the fall and rebirth of House Stark. I read an interview somewhere in which GRRM said that the books series was only supposed to be a trilogy, but other books were added to give the Stark children more time to grow up. Some book readers have complained that the last book barely moved the plot ahead at all.

Fuck I hope not.

Fuck all the Starks. I rather fucking Thion get to the iron throne.

 

[futureshock]

Edmure was a broken man, he had been imprisoned for years and the only family he really cared about where dead. They established in the past that he and his uncle didn't care too much for each other.

One of my favorite scenes.




Blackfish as The Enforcer

 

[Joe Money]

Fuck I hope not.

Fuck all the Starks. I rather fucking Thion get to the iron throne.

Why "fuck all the Starks?" They're the only one of the major families with any sense of righteousness.

 

[Flawless]

One of my favorite scenes.

Rob Stark grinning like he could have made that shot.

 

[^SpiderMan^]

dummy

she should have just went to the meeting. she goes to the meeting then they have trial by combat. she chose violence when she wasn't supposed to lol

I actually dont blame her.She was tortured for months last time she left the Red Keep. If she left to go to a meeting then they might imprison her until the trial. It wasn't like they sent a Raven to ask if she wanted to go voluntarily. Those dudes came to imprison her. At least in the Red Keep the Mountain could make a stand for a while.

 

[^SpiderMan^]

Somewhere along the way, Arya picked up some quick healing skills too. Those stab wounds should have killed her twice over, plus she's swimming and running and falling down...​

Yeah I thought that was BS. They should have had her have some armor on or something because the idea that she got stabbed up in the heart and lungs but able to sprint and jump off buildings like Spiderman was unbelievable.