2015-2016 NBA playoff edition: Finals - Cavs vs Warriors - Cavs win 4-3

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The Myth and Reality of LeBron James
Draymond Green has never believed in the myth of LeBron James. In December 2012, Green was an unheralded second-round draft-pick, fighting for time in his rookie year. James was the centerpiece of supposedly the greatest team ever assembled. The Warriors arrived in Miami in the midst of a successful road trip and went to war against the Heat. In an effort to slow down a typically dominant performance from James, Mark Jackson gave Green a shot at defending him. Green denied James on two consecutive trips to the basket. The third time down, James finally drew a foul on the rookie. James then turned and barked at Green. “You too little.” At that moment, Warriors fans — and the rest of the NBA — learned something important about Green. He didn’t shy away from the then-best-player-in-the-world. He didn’t worry about the perceived ridiculousness of some then-nobody jawing at an NBA great. He turned around, got in LeBron’s face, and answered. Later that night, Green scored a slashing lay-up with 0.9 seconds left to defeat LeBron and the Heat on their home court, 97-95. It would be the first time Green bested James. It wouldn’t be the last.


The Cavs may win Game 5 against a Green-less Warriors, but LeBron James has lost something bigger in the process. In the fourth quarter of Game 4, James transparently baited Green with a step-over after Green and the Warriors’ defense had owned James on the defensive end all quarter. The step-over is usually an act reserved for a victor over the dominated — think Allen Iverson over Tyronn Lue. But James deployed it as a tantrum. It was the hollow act of someone lashing out in defeat, not boasting in victory. James then spent his post-game press conference passively-aggressively lobbying for a suspension, pushing the NBA to do what he could not do himself: get past Draymond Green.

The victim narrative is a new look for LeBron, and not one that sits well with his “Greatest” self-mythologizing. According to James, “some of the words that came out of [Green’s] mouth were a little overboard.” James immediately characterized the play as one “the League will take a look at.” James then descended into talk about how “the chips have been stacked up against us all year.” James and the Cavs apparently haven’t just overcome a historically weak Eastern Conference, a roster assembled specifically to meet James’ demands and a coach chosen with James’ blessing, but also intolerable bias from the referees. “I’m not quite sure what I can do personally to get to the free-throw line,” James mused. “I’m getting hit, but the refs are not seeing it that way, on my drives.” If that wasn’t direct enough: “it’s tough playing 46 minutes and only going to the line four times, as much as I attack the rim.” But asked a few questions later about his criticism of the refs, James was in full denial: “I didn’t talk about the referees. I was asked a question and I answered it. I’m going to save my 25K, okay. So I have not talked about the referees. Don’t put me in that cloud.” The myth of LeBron James floats on a different cloud. One where “the King” doesn’t need to whine for calls, doesn’t let an opponent’s trash talk rattle him, and doesn’t need NBA intervention to help him reach what he has always viewed as his entitlement: an NBA championship. But back on earth, in the reality of 2016, the myth of LeBron James is increasingly hard to believe.

There will be endless debate about how a play where Green barely makes contact with James can be a flagrant foul (James certainly didn’t respond as if Green made serious contact, and the ref immediately in front of the play didn’t call it). Others will try to cobble together some theory of intent intent based on plays scattered throughout the playoffs and Green’s career (none of which appear indisputably intentional), while ignoring more egregious acts by members of the Cavs that were dismissed as “scrappy basketball plays” and never reviewed for punishment. There will be talk of double standards, but the arbitrariness of the NBA’s ruling makes any reference to a “standard” generous. These debates may suck up all the media bandwidth until Monday night’s game, but ultimately, Draymond Green’s suspension will be an asterisk on this series. James and the Cavs may have successfully lobbied to change the match-ups in Game 5, but all their hurt feelings can’t change the fundamental differences between these teams: in talent, in coaching, and in the way the players work together as a true team.

A year after bemoaning the fact that the Warriors didn’t face the Cavs at full strength, I expect the Warriors to repay those slights with interest by beating the Cavs on Monday despite being a man down. Green has spent every second of this season watching the backs of his teammates. In Game 5, they’ll return the loyalty. It’s hard to imagine any greater motivation for a team that burns disrespect like rocket fuel than what’s transpired over the past 48 hours. But while I expect the Warriors’ response to this unfortunate incident to only increase their legend, the same can’t be said for James. Through all of James’ self-laudatory cliches about leadership, competition and rising to the challenge, remember this: when the time came for James and Green to match-up on the biggest stage, it was LeBron who was too little.


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Dray wears Bron's shoes, not the other way around. :itsawrap:
 
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Dray wears Bron's shoes, not the other way around. :itsawrap:


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Plus them dudes bet on Michigan state vs Ohio State games....

Green just don't back down to nobody, I like this shit...would be nice for the cavs to win it this year and they square off again next year in the finals
 
Charles Barkley Throws Gasoline On The LeBron James-Draymond Green Fire



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All the talk Sunday on Twitter has been aboutDraymond Green’s one-game suspension for taking a shot at LeBron James’ midsection in the waning moments of Game 4 on Friday night. Everybody and their brother has an opinion on the matter, so you knew it wouldn’t be long before Charles Barkleychimed in. He’d already deemed LeBron’s step-over “disrespectful” during the postgame segment, and in an exclusive interview with Bleacher Report on Sunday, the longtime TNT stalwart not only doubled down on that assessment; he took it step further:

“When a guy steps over you, you have a moral obligation to punch him in the balls,” Barkley said on SiriusXM Bleacher Report Radio’s NBA Sunday Tip. “Because that’s really disrespectful to step over a guy. You’re supposed to pop him in his junk if he steps over you like that.”

It’s certainly debatable whether Green’s contact with LeBron was incidental, but the Warriors’ fiery forward has been the focus of so many other questionable incidences this offseason that the league was under tremendous pressure to take action. It’s good news for the Cavs, who’ll need all the help they can get to try and overcome a daunting 3-1 series hole, as no team in NBA history has ever recovered from that deficit to win the Finals.

If the Warriors are, in fact, able to close it out and win their second consecutive title, they’ll initially have to celebrate without Green, who won’t be allowed inside Oracle Arena during Game 5 on Monday night, which tips off at 9 p.m. ET on ABC.
 



Draymond Green Suspended, LeBron James Given Technical Foul for Altercation
Cleveland Cavaliers forward LeBron Jameswas issued a technical foul and Golden State Warriors forward Draymond Green was assessed a flagrant-1 for their roles in a fourth-quarter altercation during Game 4 of the 2016 NBA Finals on Friday.

The NBA announced its decision Sunday, perSports Illustrated. Green will automatically be suspended for Game 5 because of his accrual of flagrant points.

"The cumulative points system is designed to deter flagrant fouls in our game," NBA Executive Vice President of Basketball Operations Kiki VanDeWeghe said. "While [Green's] actions in Game 4 do not merit a suspension as a standalone act, the number of flagrant points he earned triggers a suspension for Game 5."

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Additionally, Green will be fined $129k, perBobby Marks of The Vertical.

Green is "strongly pushing" the league to allow him to watch the game from inside Oracle Arena, according to Shams Charaniaof The Vertical.

"NBA rules state there is a $500 fine for a player attending a game under suspension," Charania added. "Green wants to find a route into the arena, and his reps are discussing the logistics of attending with the league and the players’ union."

The confrontation occurred with a little less than three minutes remaining in Golden State's 108-97 win. James and Green became entangled when Green attempted to set a hard screen. When James jostled Green loose and sent him to the floor, he attempted to step over the Warriors forward—leading to Green swinging his arm at the four-time MVP and hitting him in the groin.

James immediately turned around, and the two nearly scuffled outside the three-point line in the middle of a Warriors possession. They almost came to blows again while chasing a rebound, with James needing to be restrained by multiple teammates and screaming in Green's direction. Officials assessed a double foul.

"Draymond said something that I don't agree with," James said, per AJ Neuharth-Keusch of USA Today. "I'm all cool with the competition; I'm all fine with that, but some of the words that came out of his mouth were a little bit overboard. Being a guy with pride, a guy with three kids and a family, things of that nature, just some things go overboard, and that's where he took it."

Green, for his part, did not back down and put the blame on James.

"I felt he stepped over me. You're not just gonna step over me like that," Green said on NBA TV (via Neuharth-Keusch). "There's many routes you can take, don't just step over me like that. We had our words, it is what it is. I don't care who you are, I'm not gonna back down from you."

Game 4 was by far the chippiest of the first four Finals games. Golden State and Cleveland turned the second half into a slugfest, trading harder-than-expected fouls and jawing back and forth throughout. The referees allowed the game to get progressively more demonstrative and stayed largely out of the fray.

James said he did not have an opinion on whether Green should be punished, per Brian Windhorst of ESPN.com:

I don't know what should happen. It's not my call. That's the league office. They'll take a look at it. We all saw it in the locker room. You know, like I said, as a competitor, I love going against Draymond, and I'm all about going out there and leaving it out on the floor. But when it gets a little bit more than what it should be, that's what caused me to have words with him.

What was otherwise a typical case of two guys being competitive carried extra weight because of Green's groin shot. The Warriors forward was assessed a flagrant foul in the Western Conference Finals after kicking Oklahoma City Thunder center Steven Adams in the groin.

Ken Berger of CBS Sports reported while a suspended player is banned from the arena, Green will not be forced to miss the postgame celebration if the Warriors win Game 5.

The Warriors are a 6.5-point favorite, per Odds Shark. With Green suspended, the seemingly insurmountable task of taking down Golden State feels more feasible. Green is the Warriors' best individual defender and unlocks nearly everything they do on both ends of the floor. He's not their most talented player, but there are times when he feels like their most important.

The Warriors will now go into Game 5 facing an uphill battle, with the Oracle Arena crowd on fire waiting to celebrate the team's second straight championship. If Golden State is unable to close things out, the series will return to Cleveland for Game 6 on Thursday with the pressure mounting on the defending champs.
 
Refs for tonight Monty McChucten, Mark Davis and Derrick Stafford lmaoo

Yup the fix is in to extend this series.. Notice Monty ref game 3 in which GS lost by 30... So how is it Monty get to ref on a 2 game turn around when refs for game 1 and 2 haven't? Lmaoo

Mark Davis was apart of that 30 point GS loss too..

Cavs gonna see unlimited help from the refs tonight.. Cavs win game 5...

I'd be shocked if GS win tonight.
 
If Bron wins tonite hes a 2 time champ, 5 time mvp, 2time finals mvp, 13 time all star, and top 10 all time player... If he loses hes still all that. No idea how this will be a defining moment for him.

Meanwhile, Steph has had 3 stinkers in the finals, team has won games and series without him, and he needs to lead the team without Draymond... Definitely defining moment for him tho.
Lmao...
You think Bron would like to trade strikes?
 
Refs for tonight Monty McChucten, Mark Davis and Derrick Stafford lmaoo

Yup the fix is in to extend this series.. Notice Monty ref game 3 in which GS lost by 30... So how is it Monty get to ref on a 2 game turn around when refs for game 1 and 2 haven't? Lmaoo

Mark Davis was apart of that 30 point GS loss too..

Cavs gonna see unlimited help from the refs tonight.. Cavs win game 5...

I'd be shocked if GS win tonight.
Yep. Dropping 2 bills on the Cavs as we speak. As much as I hate this fix shit, im not ready for bball to be over yet either! :lol:
 
Refs for tonight Monty McChucten, Mark Davis and Derrick Stafford lmaoo

Yup the fix is in to extend this series.. Notice Monty ref game 3 in which GS lost by 30... So how is it Monty get to ref on a 2 game turn around when refs for game 1 and 2 haven't? Lmaoo

Mark Davis was apart of that 30 point GS loss too..

Cavs gonna see unlimited help from the refs tonight.. Cavs win game 5...

I'd be shocked if GS win tonight.

Nah fam. BGOL already said Cleveland gettin blowed out tonight. If Warriors lose that counts as choking
 
Yep. Dropping 2 bills on the Cavs as we speak. As much as I hate this fix shit, im not ready for bball to be over yet either! :lol:

Nah save your bread cause GS still might pull this out but it will be close..

If GS do lose you can't bet Scott Foster will be refing game 6 lmaoo

I just find it funny and obvious by the league to have Monty on a 2 game turn around especially since he was the ref in the 30 pt blow out in game 3 lol
 
Nah fam. BGOL already said Cleveland gettin blowed out tonight. If Warriors lose that counts as choking

Come on don't I called who was winning every game just off who was refin this post season.. You should know better because they was on that fuck shit when Miami was going to 4 straight finals

Since when has a red been on a 2 game turn around especially being the same ref who was apart of the leading team getting blown out game 3?
 
Nah save your bread cause GS still might pull this out but it will be close..

If GS do lose you can't bet Scott Foster will be refing game 6 lmaoo

I just find it funny and obvious by the league to have Monty on a 2 game turn around especially since he was the ref in the 30 pt blow out in game 3 lol
Werd... I keep my Cavs bets low tho knowing how Kang has a tendency to come up smedium and they STILL need JR to show up... Man if Curry puts up an epic show and GS wins imma bring down the BGOL servers though :lol:
 
Could be the case tho, Boston was that special bully...dubs just them dudes that run faster than everyone

They're deeper & most importantly the superior coached team. Bron's Achilles is getting exposed, again. I say the Cavs need to bring in Larry Brown for one last run in the league. He needs a strong head coach.
 
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