2015-2016 NBA playoff edition: Finals - Cavs vs Warriors - Cavs win 4-3

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

Your entire argument is Love isn't responsible for the 4th quarter when he didn't play. No shit. You aren't responsible for it either, you weren't on the floor. But when he is on the floor, he's consistently a defensive liability. He avoided the washing by getting hurt..nothing more. Your argument is meaningless.

This is what Lebron wanted though.. so that what he's getting, two max players that can't play defense so he's on a squad (again) that's getting overwhelmed from everyone.

The he avoided it context is your OPINION, and your opinion is actually meaningless when it compares to FACTS... the FACTS are he wasn't in the game when they got their asses kicked, those are the facts! Fact trumps opinion.... and the FACT is, they were only down 8 when he was on the floor, and ended up losing by 25 more points with him off the floor... End of Story...

 

[BitchI'llKillYa]

 

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The he avoided it context is your OPINION, and your opinion is actually meaningless when it compares to FACTS... the FACTS are he wasn't in the game when they got their asses kicked, those are the fa...

He was in the game while they were still losing significantly. That's a fact. He avoided the last game route because he was injured. Those are facts not opinions. Your statement only means something if you're saying that his presence on the court would have changed the outcome.

If Love and Kyrie could defend someone, the team likely wouldn't be burned out from covering for them all game.

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

He was in the game while they were still losing significantly. That's a fact. He avoided the last game route because he was injured. Those are facts not opinions. Your statement only means something if you're saying that his presence on the court would have changed the outcome.

They were down EIGHT POINTS when he left... That is the FACT!!! They Lost by 33, which is 25 points more than at the point he left the game which is a FACT! I'm not saying he would or wouldn't have changed the outcome of the final score, because that would be an opinion, which is meaningless... I am stating and speaking on FACTS... The statement I am making does mean quite a bit, as a matter of FACT, it is the only statement in our dialog that means anything because I am speaking to the facts... You on the other hand, are hanging your hat on your OPINION... which is meaningless because it has no verifiable foundation to stand on...

 

[BitchI'llKillYa]

NBA Rumors: Kevin Love ‘Auction’ Possible If Cavaliers’ Struggles Continue


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The Cleveland Cavaliers haven’t been much competition for the Golden State Warriors in the first two games of the NBA Finals, and if the series continues like this, changes could be coming in the offseason.

Much of the question marks will surround LeBron James, who has a player option for the 2016-17 season, but forward Kevin Love might be the one on his way out of Cleveland, an NBA source told The Vertical’s Chris Mannix.

“If they go out like this, I’m betting on a Kevin Love auction.” the source said.

Mannix added, “If changes are demanded this offseason, Love will be the asset pushed in trades needed to make them.”

Trade rumors are nothing new for Love, who suffered a concussion in Game 2 on Sunday night, although he signed a five-year, $113,211,750 contract this past offseason to stay with the Cavaliers. But that might not stop Cleveland from putting him on the trade block if things don’t get better.
Cleveland Cavaliers haven’t been much competition for the Golden State Warriors in the first two games of the NBA Finals, and if the series continues like this, changes could be coming in the offseason.

Much of the question marks will surround LeBron James, who has a player option for the 2016-17 season, but forward Kevin Love might be the one on his way out of Cleveland, an NBA source told The Vertical’s Chris Mannix.

“If they go out like this, I’m betting on a Kevin Love auction.” the source said.

Mannix added, “If changes are demanded this offseason, Love will be the asset pushed in trades needed to make them.”

Trade rumors are nothing new for Love, who suffered a concussion in Game 2 on Sunday night, although he signed a five-year, $113,211,750 contract this past offseason to stay with the Cavaliers. But that might not stop Cleveland from putting him on the trade block if things don’t get better.

 

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They were down EIGHT POINTS when he left... That is the FACT!!! They Lost by 33, which is 25 points more than at the point he left the game which is a FACT! I'm not saying he would or wouldn't have changed the outcome of the final score, because that would be an opinion, which is meaningless... I am stating and speaking on FACTS... The statement I am making does mean quite a bit, as a matter of FACT, it is the only statement in our dialog that means anything because I am speaking to the facts... You on the other hand, are hanging your hat on your OPINION... which is meaningless because it has no verifiable foundation to stand on...

You're rambling. Your argument is Love wasn't responsible for the 4th quarter run because he was hurt. No shit, nigga. Captain obvious ass nigga.

Maybe they lost by 35 instead with Love on the court. Your argument is stupid.

What about all the other times he's on the floor and he can't defend anyone.

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

NBA Rumors: Kevin Love ‘Auction’ Possible If Cavaliers’ Struggles Continue


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The Cleveland Cavaliers haven’t been much competition for the Golden State Warriors in the first two games of the NBA Finals, and if the series continues like this, changes could be coming in the offseason.

Much of the question marks will surround LeBron James, who has a player option for the 2016-17 season, but forward Kevin Love might be the one on his way out of Cleveland, an NBA source told The Vertical’s Chris Mannix.

“If they go out like this, I’m betting on a Kevin Love auction.” the source said.

Mannix added, “If changes are demanded this offseason, Love will be the asset pushed in trades needed to make them.”

Trade rumors are nothing new for Love, who suffered a concussion in Game 2 on Sunday night, although he signed a five-year, $113,211,750 contract this past offseason to stay with the Cavaliers. But that might not stop Cleveland from putting him on the trade block if things don’t get better.
Cleveland Cavaliers haven’t been much competition for the Golden State Warriors in the first two games of the NBA Finals, and if the series continues like this, changes could be coming in the offseason.

Much of the question marks will surround LeBron James, who has a player option for the 2016-17 season, but forward Kevin Love might be the one on his way out of Cleveland, an NBA source told The Vertical’s Chris Mannix.

“If they go out like this, I’m betting on a Kevin Love auction.” the source said.

Mannix added, “If changes are demanded this offseason, Love will be the asset pushed in trades needed to make them.”

Trade rumors are nothing new for Love, who suffered a concussion in Game 2 on Sunday night, although he signed a five-year, $113,211,750 contract this past offseason to stay with the Cavaliers. But that might not stop Cleveland from putting him on the trade block if things don’t get better.

I would LOVE to see him go to GS and win a chip! He could go to a number of teams, and if used PROPERLY be a good contributor... Cavs basically tried to turn him in to Steve Kerr or John Paxson...

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

You're rambling. Your argument is Love wasn't responsible for the 4th quarter run because he was hurt. No shit, nigga. Captain obvious ass nigga.

OK?!?! So what's your point? If I'm wrong prove I'm wrong? I'm 'rambling' (that shit is funny actually), because you have absolutely no support to refute my contention that LeBron and Kyrie were more responsible for the Cavs ass whipping than Love... Yet you Dudes spent 5 pages harping on Love from last nights game!?!!

Way to tap out though... FACTS will do that to you!

 

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NBA Rumors: Kevin Love ‘Auction’ Possible If Cavaliers’ Struggles Continue

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Shouldn't have been there in the first place. He's over-rated and one of the worst paint defenders of all time.

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

You're rambling. Your argument is Love wasn't responsible for the 4th quarter run because he was hurt. No shit, nigga. Captain obvious ass nigga.

Maybe they lost by 35 instead with Love on the court. Your argument is stupid.

What about all the other times he's on the floor and he can't defend anyone.

More opinion... You sound like you getting a little testy too there lil fella... My whole argument was that LeBron and Kyrie were more responsible for the loss than Love.... and yes, unfortunately for you, when you debate on FACTs, the FACTS are pretty obvious... Only people desperate to try to rationalize a dumb unfounded un-verifiable opinion will respond 15 times trying to dispute facts...

Good try though, you lose

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

Shouldn't have been there in the first place. He's over-rated and one of the worst paint defenders of all time.

Yeah... Blame LeBron for recruiting him and forcing the trade of Wiggins though... but hey, it's Loves fault

 

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OK?!?! So what's your point?

That Love can't defend and scored 5 points and 3 rebounds. The fact they were only down 8 while he was out there wasn't because his play. Despite his play, the team managed to stay in it until they got overwhelmed by lack of production. You simple-minded ass clown.

 

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More opinion...

That's not an opinion. That's a question you silly ass clown

That means for the mentally-challenged like you, him being out and injured provides no manner of determining whether the outcome would have been different or not and considering he's a historically bad defender, it's like meaningless.

You're absolving him of having all the +- minus while he was out there and ignoring that fact that he only contributed 5 points and 3 rebounds (as a max players).

You're a clown, but you've been playing this Kevin Love game since they traded for this overrated muthafucka. You were the same one saying that Love was better than Anthony Davis.

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

That Love can't defend and scored 5 points and 3 rebounds. The fact they were only down 8 while he was out there wasn't because his play. Despite his play, the team managed to stay in it until they got overwhelmed by lack of production. You simple-minded ass clown.

...and the fact that they lost by 33, and GS ran up the score 25 more points was not because of his play either... Again, you lose...

...and Yeah, they lost by 33 in spite of Kyrie's damn near historically productive 1o pt 3 ast game, especially after scoring 4 of those points in the first minute of teh game, or LeBron's all around performance and Gary Payton-esque glove like shut down defense on Green, in addition to his all around dominance and superior ability to protect the ball by only turning the ball over 8 times...

Nice lil elementary school jab their at the end too lil fella... Loosen you collar though... maybe you can think a little more clearly and for a complete thought instead of leaving yourself open for constant L's in this 'debate'... if that's what you want to call it!

So.... what else you got?

 

[BitchI'llKillYa]

Player Plus Minus
Player. Team +/-
1 Draymond Green GS 1,072
2 Stephen Curry GS 1,022
3 Klay Thompson GS 837
4 Kawhi Leonard SA 653
5 Kevin Durant OKC 646
6 Russell Westbrook OKC 635
7 LeBron James CLE 618
8 Chris Paul LAC 553
9 Serge Ibaka OKC 532
10 Danny Green SA 509
11 LaMarcus Aldridge SA 509
12 J.J. Redick LAC 509
13 Steven Adams OKC 478
14 Andre Iguodala GS 457
15 Harrison Barnes GS 451
16 DeAndre Jordan LAC 436
17 Kyle Korver ATL 428
18 Kevin Love CLE 428
19 Tim Duncan SA 426
20 Tony Parker SA 412
21 Patrick Patterson TOR 403
22 Andrew Bogut GS 396
23 Matthew Dellavedova CLE 381
24 Patty Mills SA 380
25 Kyle Lowry TOR 376
26 Tristan Thompson CLE 356
27 Manu Ginobili SA 329
28 David West SA 329
29 J.R. Smith CLE 308
30 Isaiah Thomas BOS 297
31 Boris Diaw SA 291
32 Cory Joseph TOR 275
33 Andre Roberson OKC 260
34 Dirk Nowitzki DAL 254
35 Marvin Williams CHA 248
36 Terrence Ross TOR 243
37 Kemba Walker CHA 239
38 Al Horford ATL 231
39 Dennis Schroder ATL 225
40 Festus Ezeli GS 223
41 Kelly Olynyk BOS 218
42 Jae Crowder BOS 217
43 Paul Millsap ATL 217
44 Avery Bradley BOS 215
45 Jared Sullinger BOS 213
46 Dion Waiters OKC 213
47 Nicolas Batum CHA 211
48 Shaun Livingston GS 207
49 Kyrie Irving CLE 206

 

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Yeah... Blame LeBron for recruiting him and forcing the trade of Wiggins though... but hey, it's Loves fault

Lebron's a bad GM for wanting him on his squad. Love is just an over-rated PF that's historically one of the worst paint defenders of all time. He is who he is. He's not a max player on a title team. He's getting paid as a max player so he's wildly underperforming.

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

That's not an opinion. That's a question you silly ass clown

That means for the mentally-challenged like you, him being out and injured provides no manner of determining whether the outcome would have been different or not and considering he's a historically bad defender, it's like meaningless.

You're absolving him of having all the +- minus while he was out there and ignoring that fact that he only contributed 5 points and 3 rebounds (as a max players).

You're a clown, but you've been playing this Kevin Love game since they traded for this overrated muthafucka. You were the same one saying that Love was better than Anthony Davis.

Wow... resulting to insults now... weak ones, but you are REALLY trying hard though! I'm actually a bit entertained :chuckle:
...also, my intelligent boardmember, a question is usually followed by a question mark no? You lose... AGAIN?

Ok... Now, slow down, take your time, and try again... But PLEASE make the insults a little more interesting though.. I'm mildly entertained, but getting progressively bored

 

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...and Yeah, they lost by 33 in spite of Kyrie's damn near historically productive 1o pt 3 ast game,

Kyrie's a bum too. You happy?

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

Lebron's a bad GM for wanting him on his squad. Love is just an over-rated PF that's historically one of the worst paint defenders of all time. He is who he is. He's not a max player on a title team. He's getting paid as a max player so he's wildly underperforming.

Anybody else on the Cavs overpaid and underperforming?

 

[shaddyvillethug]

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Man

We gonna need a turkey fryer

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

Kyrie's a bum too. You happy?

Tapping out again huh? Cool...

Ironic how you conveniently left out the part about LeBron's massive must see performance though

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But lebron got more money then curry

 

[BitchI'llKillYa]

More opinion... You sound like you getting a little testy too there lil fella... My whole argument was that LeBron and Kyrie were more responsible for the loss than Love.... and yes, unfortunately for you, when you debate on FACTs, the FACTS are pretty obvious... Only people desperate to try to rationalize a dumb unfounded un-verifiable opinion will respond 15 times trying to dispute facts...

Good try though, you lose

He was 2-7... he missed shots... he sucked...

But they all did - them boys didn't compete past the 1st qtr

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

He was 2-7... he missed shouts... he sucked...

But they all did - them boys didn't compete past the 1st qtr

I not once said Love balled out Bruh... Not ONCE! My point has been, LeBron and Kyrie were more responsible for the ass whipping than Love was...

 

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Ironic how you conveniently left out the part about LeBron's massive must see performance though

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He lead the team in scoring, rebounds, and assists, idiot

Lebron is not the problem on this team.

 

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He was 2-7... he missed shots... he sucked...

Now even just that, he can't defend and he's not even grabbing any boards, either. He's a PF with 3 fucking rebounds before he went out! This guy is getting max money

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

He lead the team in scoring, rebounds, and assists, idiot

Lebron is not the problem on this team.

Those are called hollow stats.. especially when you get out played by the other teams 3rd best offensive player, AND 80 percent of your production is in the first half, and you completely disappear when the other team is making their game winning run AND allow the man you are guarding to be a major catalyst during that run while you stand helpless to what he is doing...

He may not be the problem on the team overall... but last night, he was a MAJOR cause of that ass whipping.... You lose... AGAIN!!! (not sure how many Ls you want to keep taking tonight but I've got some more time if you need some more )

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[BitchI'llKillYa]

I not once said Love balled out Bruh... Not ONCE! My point has been, LeBron and Kyrie were more responsible for the ass whipping than Love was...

Love & Kyrie are albatross on defense and will be the end of the cavs this year

LEBRON IS ALL WORLD... he isn't playing like a God but he's playing, his BB IQ is through the roof

His EMOTIONAL IQ is in the fuckin basement right next to Klove n Unk Drew's Defense

 

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Those are called hollow stats.. especially when you get out played by the other teams 3rd best offensive player, AND 80 percent of your production is in the first half,

That's called being asked to do too much because two other max players are playing extra smedium. That's all.

Green is out there benefiting from playing on an excellent team. He might come out in game 3 and get 8 points and he'll be fine. He doesn't need to carry a load every night. He had the game of his playoffs life.. just like Livingston did in game 1 you stupid muthafucka. That happens on extremely balanced squads like this.

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

Love & Kyrie are albatross on defense and will be the end of the cavs this year

LEBRON IS ALL WORLD... he isn't playing like a God but he's playing, his BB IQ is through the roof

His EMOTIONAL IQ is in the fuckin basement

Agreed... He himself took the L for the game last night, but there are geniuses on this board would probably argue HIM down that he's wrong!

 

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Love & Kyrie are albatross on defense and will be the end of the cavs this year

LEBRON IS ALL WORLD... he isn't playing like a God but he's playing, his BB IQ is through the roof

His EMOTIONAL IQ is in the fuckin basement

This is a good team that can get you deep in the playoffs but it's not a championship roster in today's game. Too many holes on defense...but Lebron put this fucking team together so the shit is on him. No one there to protect him from himself.

They'll have to play perfect ball to beat the Warriors and that's too much to ask with that roster.

People forget that JR Smith broke 3 point shooting records leading up the finals and now he's extra smedium..just like last Finals.

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

That's called being asked to do too much because two other max players are playing extra smedium. That's all.

Green is out there benefiting from playing on an excellent team. He might come out in game 3 and get 8 points and he'll be fine. He doesn't need to carry a load every night. He had the game of his playoffs life.. just like Livingston did in game 1 you stupid muthafucka. That happens on extremely balanced squads like this.

 

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I gotta roll.. why don't you do me a favor and troll Road Rage and stop fucking around.

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

I gotta roll.. why don't you do me a favor and troll Road Rage and stop fucking around.

Normally the default I got owned tap out response... The pathetic calculated troll accusation... You a weak ass Nigga Dude... A fucking Joke. Come correct the next time you approach me and back the fuck up with that weak ass sensitive bullshit lil Nigga!! Bounce!!

 

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Normally the default I got owned tap out response... The pathetic calculated troll accusation... You a weak ass Nigga Dude... A fucking Joke. Come correct the next time you approach me and back the fuck up with that weak ass sensitive bullshit lil Nigga!! Bounce!!

Huh? I was actually joking about trolling Road Rage to enter the thread because I know he's hot as Fish grease right now . You huffing and puffing too much, champess.