2015-2016 NBA playoff edition: Finals - Cavs vs Warriors - Cavs win 4-3

[Spectrum]

My point has always been that KT and Curry aren't going to keep missing wide open looks and the bench isn't going to keep hitting contested shots at a 75 percent rate. I don't even get why cats were arguing otherwise. I never said the Cavs were defensive masters, but those cats were just hitting.

Yeah man.. that was just a weird fucking game...

 

[D'Evils]

 

[BitchI'llKillYa]

Why was Bron looking like he was about to break down at the end of the third?

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

Shaun fucking Livingston smh

Jordan...twice Thats how you go 6-0 in the finals with 6 MVPs!!

 

[stretchwallz]

Why was Bron looking like he was about to break down at the end of the third?

He has poor body language ...that's learned behavior. Who raised Lebron ?

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

AI and Draymonds faces in this are hilarious!

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

Oh no doubt.. I'm just saying that i wouldn't put too much stock in it until they win on the road..

oh he definitely has them shook.. Lebron reacted a couple of times like "here this nigga go with this shit again".... I dont know how Iggy does that shit.. it's almost impossible to stripe someone clean like that... much less multiple players multiple times.. and when they show it in slow motion he gets his entire hand on the ball..and nothing but ball... that shit is amazing

Its all timing man...and he's obviously worked on it... Dude swipes down at the perfect time. Because that shit is a lost art in the league, most Dudes don't work on protecting the ball when they bring it up anymore. Back in the day there were rarely reach in fouls called, but now, in the soft baked league its almost ALWAYS called on a strip. Dude is just perfect with it...

 

[BrownTurd]

My point has always been that KT and Curry aren't going to keep missing wide open looks and the bench isn't going to keep hitting contested shots at a 75 percent rate. I don't even get why cats were arguing otherwise. I never said the Cavs were defensive masters, but those cats were just hitting.

Livingston, Iggy, Barnes, Barbosa and Draymond green are really good players. Those shots were not heavily contested. If you give players of that caliber that much room to score they will do it pretty easily

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

Livingston, Iggy, Barnes, Barbosa and Draymond green are really good players. Those shots were not heavily contested. If you give players of that caliber that much room to score they will do it pretty easily

Their offensive sets are very fluid and spacing too... Just watching them play, they have quick hit first second and third options and its almost like a football play where there are progressions. You have constant screening and cutting, not just on the 'shooters', if you key in on that, you have the spot up shooters waiting, you key in on that, a player will post for a few seconds which creates a 3rd option. That is what hurt Cleveland in Game 1, they approached the game with the conventional, Shut down Curry and Klay logic, and got burned. It's going to be difficult for them to adjust for an entire series, and unless Lue gets it together, his inexperience is going to hurt them. For him to say the rotations were fine in game 1 brings pause to that adjustment as well...

 

[Day_Carver]

Their offensive sets are very fluid and spacing too... Just watching them play, they have quick hit first second and third options and its almost like a football play where there are progressions. You have constant screening and cutting, not just on the 'shooters', if you key in on that, you have the spot up shooters waiting, you key in on that, a player will post for a few seconds which creates a 3rd option. That is what hurt Cleveland in Game 1, they approached the game with the conventional, Shut down Curry and Klay logic, and got burned. It's going to be difficult for them to adjust for an entire series, and unless Lue gets it together, his inexperience is going to hurt them. For him to say the rotations were fine in game 1 brings pause to that adjustment as well...

But if you watch the game, Cavs didnt shut down Curry or Klay; Both were 2-11 on uncontested shots; that means open jumpers they missed; thats not shutting them down; Cavs just dont match up well with GS; again their best offensive weapons(not including LBJ) are horrible on defense; thats the problem; at the end of the day, I dont see Cavs being able to stop GS from doing what they want to do consistently; Its just 1 game for sure; and you would think adjustments will be made; but the way GS won should be a great cause for concern to the Cavs...

 

[Day_Carver]

Maybe... maybe not... but you can't extrapolate an entire series based off one game..especially when this one game leaned heavily on role players who overperformed. You definitely can't count on role players playing like that on the road.

We'll see over the next two games, but I need to see more than one game to decide if this was a trend.

Warriors got their asses handed to them in back to back games..two games losing by a total of 50 points and then turned the series around.... shit happens.. players make adjustments, coaches make adjustments.. etc... too early..

Personally, I feel like this shit is over.. I don't like what I saw in terms of the Cavs being able to turn this around..but i need to see another game to be sure of it.

No you cant just based the series off 1 game; but Lue isnt that good of a coach as far as adjustments; and the Cavs defense isnt about to improve over night; They have been playing this way the whole playoffs; They are and iso team; Its just they cant play this way against GS and win...

 

[Day_Carver]

Their offensive sets are very fluid and spacing too... Just watching them play, they have quick hit first second and third options and its almost like a football play where there are progressions. You have constant screening and cutting, not just on the 'shooters', if you key in on that, you have the spot up shooters waiting, you key in on that, a player will post for a few seconds which creates a 3rd option. That is what hurt Cleveland in Game 1, they approached the game with the conventional, Shut down Curry and Klay logic, and got burned. It's going to be difficult for them to adjust for an entire series, and unless Lue gets it together, his inexperience is going to hurt them. For him to say the rotations were fine in game 1 brings pause to that adjustment as well...

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/242119/Duncd-On-Warriors-Cavs-Game-1-Bucks-Offseason
check out this podcast; its really informative...

 

[BrownTurd]

Their offensive sets are very fluid and spacing too... Just watching them play, they have quick hit first second and third options and its almost like a football play where there are progressions. You have constant screening and cutting, not just on the 'shooters', if you key in on that, you have the spot up shooters waiting, you key in on that, a player will post for a few seconds which creates a 3rd option. That is what hurt Cleveland in Game 1, they approached the game with the conventional, Shut down Curry and Klay logic, and got burned. It's going to be difficult for them to adjust for an entire series, and unless Lue gets it together, his inexperience is going to hurt them. For him to say the rotations were fine in game 1 brings pause to that adjustment as well...

If he was smart he would play this line up

PG Delly
SG Kyrie
SF Shump/Jr smith
PF LeBron
C Frye

Second unit would be

PG Kyrie
SG Smith
SF Jefferson/Lebron
PF Love
C T Thompson

That would at least give me some defense where I can attempt to hide a few players.

Problem with the current line up is the Cavs probably will find themselves playing from behind a lot or most of the game

 

[Day_Carver]

If he was smart he would play this line up

PG Delly
SG Kyrie
SF Shump/Jr smith
PF LeBron
C Frye

Second unit would be

PG Kyrie
SG Smith
SF Jefferson/Lebron
PF Love
C T Thompson

That would at least give me some defense where I can attempt to hide a few players.

Problem with the current line up is the Cavs probably will find themselves playing from behind a lot or most of the game

That first lineup would get killed on the boards and Frye and Kyrie are both liabilities on defense; I think that would feed right into GS hands..

 

[Spectrum]

No you cant just based the series off 1 game; but Lue isnt that good of a coach as far as adjustments; ...

I'm giving Lue the benefit of the doubt and at least giving him ONE game to make an adjustment. After the game though, he said his rotations were "fine". I hope that was a pump fake or he's changed his mind after looking at the game tape

 

[Day_Carver]

I'm giving Lue the benefit of the doubt and at least giving him ONE game to make an adjustment. After the game though, he said his rotations were "fine". I hope that was a pump fake or he's changed his mind after looking at the game tape

...what he gonna do though...listen to that podcast I posted earlier, its pretty good..

 

[BrownTurd]

That first lineup would get killed on the boards and Frye and Kyrie are both liabilities on defense; I think that would feed right into GS hands..

The first line up you could some what hide Kyrie on barnes and let Delly rough up Curry

The current line us is asking to much. How do you succefully hide two players at the same time? Love and Irving should not play heavy minutes on the court at the same time.

 

[Day_Carver]

The first line up you could some what hide Kyrie on barnes and let Delly rough up Curry

The current line us is asking to much. How down you succefully hide two players at the same time? Love and Irving should not play heavy minutes on the court at the same time.

No you couldnt fam; They would just run Pick and Roll and still exploit Kyrie; and Thompson would kill Dela as well; Plus Frye would get abuse by Green consistently as well; I dont think that lineup would work...

 

[Ninja05]

Kyrie is like .75 Harden on Defense. This ninja is getting abused. Since he can't guard shit and Kevin Love is like .98 Harden, they are fucked. The reason why OKC was getting them boys was that they had multiple Defensive players or at least cats that could hold their own on the perimeter (Durant, Westbrook, Roberson).

I'm not gonna comment on their offense. They are not good enough to run the big three, Miami Heat offense. Plus Ray Allen use to run off screens to open up lanes. Shit is sad but there is no way the Cavs can win this one. Warriors in Five.

There is no real need to break this shit down. That one-on-one offense works against in the East. But the West, you need an offense mayne or you need some straight hogs down low (like OKC who can rebound when your star guard goes 7-21 against a "weak defender")

 

[LSN]

Why was Bron looking like he was about to break down at the end of the third?

ya I peeped that...when things go their way he loves showing out on the court...any sign of adversity tho then he does the blame game antics...still rooting for them and lue tho

 

[BDR]

I'm giving Lue the benefit of the doubt and at least giving him ONE game to make an adjustment. After the game though, he said his rotations were "fine". I hope that was a pump fake or he's changed his mind after looking at the game tape

He might put Bron at the PG and Kyrie at the 2 lmaoo

Man Klay gonna shoot right over dude

On some real shit Cavs shot is with the help of the refs and I ain't even jokin.. I'm going through every senerio with adjustments Cavs can make and each time it's coming back with a mismatch in GS favor.. Bron gotta avg like 40 on some real shit

 

[BrownTurd]

No you couldnt fam; They would just run Pick and Roll and still exploit Kyrie; and Thompson would kill Dela as well; Plus Frye would get abuse by Green consistently as well; I dont think that lineup would work...

Kyrie could guard barnes as you can provide help. That line up could play defense and allow for consistent scoring by the Cavs.

Barnes is never going to take 20 shots so you can live with what ever production he would provide being guarded by Kyrie. He may only take about 9 shots. The average NBA game has about 96 possessions and Barnes is never going to take the bulk of them.

No one is stopping the GSW pick and roll. Every team in the NBA gets killed by it. What you want to stop tho is easy baskets. That line up is more solid in their defensive assignments

 

[Spectrum]

He might put Bron at the PG and Kyrie at the 2 lmaoo

Man Klay gonna shoot right over dude

On some real shit Cavs shot is with the help of the refs and I ain't even jokin.. I'm going through every senerio with adjustments Cavs can make and each time it's coming back with a mismatch in GS favor.. Bron gotta avg like 40 on some real shit

yeah nigga.. Im running all kind of defensive scenarios and that shit keeps coming back as "NOPE".

I just has to be a game flow thing. They control pacing offensively and their role players come to play while the Warriors' role players dont for whatever reason. If both teams play their best ball, the Warriors likely win every time.

 

[BrownTurd]

yeah nigga.. Im running all kind of defensive scenarios and that shit keeps coming back as "NOPE".

I just has to be a game flow thing. They control pacing offensively and their role players come to play while the Warriors' role players dont for whatever reason. If both teams play their best ball, the Warriors likely win every time.

Simply cannot play love and Kyrie heavy minutes on the court at the same time. Hiding one player on the court is not that hard. Trying to hide two players is an epic challenge

 

[Spectrum]

Simply cannot play love and Kyrie heavy minutes on the court at the same time. Hiding one player on the court is not that hard. Trying to hide two players is an epic challenge

Yep. I actually think that rotation you put up is a possibility IF the Cavs are shooting the ball well. They'll get stops..I just worry about them going through long periods of no scoring.

Really man.. JR Smith's lack of production really fucks everything up for them.

 

[BDR]

yeah nigga.. Im running all kind of defensive scenarios and that shit keeps coming back as "NOPE".

I just has to be a game flow thing. They control pacing offensively and their role players come to play while the Warriors' role players dont for whatever reason. If both teams play their best ball, the Warriors likely win every time.

That last part of your sentence is key and that's why I think GS wins this because of the OKC series where let's face it GS took OKC lightly and let them take game one which almost turned into a diasaster and it took until game game 5 for GS to get their act together and realize they are the better team and ran away with it from there because they were locked in..

I don't think GS gonna play around with the Cavs.. Look at Draymond in game 1.. Mofo was locked it.. No shoe boating no riffing with refs he just played and was focused..

 

[BDR]

Yep. I actually think that rotation you put up is a possibility IF the Cavs are shooting the ball well. They'll get stops..I just worry about them going through long periods of no scoring.

Really man.. JR Smith's lack of production really fucks everything up for them.

Nah it just shows JR is a clown and only show up against weak defensive teams.. Lmaoo

I knew when it counted that ninja would fold up like a cheap suit.. He did it with the Snicks on their 54 win season against Boston in the 2nd round

 

[ak_rep]

yeah nigga.. Im running all kind of defensive scenarios and that shit keeps coming back as "NOPE".

Man OKC messed off a golden opportunity. Cavs are finished. They have so many liabilities facing the Warriors it isn't even funny.

May need to do some extreme shit to even compete.

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

Nah it just shows JR is a clown and only show up against weak defensive teams.. Lmaoo

I knew when it counted that ninja would fold up like a cheap suit.. He did it with the Snicks on their 54 win season against Boston in the 2nd round

You used to give JR Dap Bruh... What happened?

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

Kyrie is like .75 Harden on Defense. This ninja is getting abused. Since he can't guard shit and Kevin Love is like .98 Harden, they are fucked. The reason why OKC was getting them boys was that they had multiple Defensive players or at least cats that could hold their own on the perimeter (Durant, Westbrook, Roberson).

I'm not gonna comment on their offense. They are not good enough to run the big three, Miami Heat offense. Plus Ray Allen use to run off screens to open up lanes. Shit is sad but there is no way the Cavs can win this one. Warriors in Five.

There is no real need to break this shit down. That one-on-one offense works against in the East. But the West, you need an offense mayne or you need some straight hogs down low (like OKC who can rebound when your star guard goes 7-21 against a "weak defender")

I disagree with the Harden ratios though Bruh... at least Kyrie and Love TRY to play defense... Harden just doesn't give a fuck!

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

That first lineup would get killed on the boards and Frye and Kyrie are both liabilities on defense; I think that would feed right into GS hands..

Fam, there is absolutely NO LINEUP for the Cavs you can roll out there that you wont have at least 2 jokers who are liabilities on defense on the court at the same time... Funny how people keep throwing up Frye like he's the savior for the Cavs and shit! Frye hit a few big 3s in the other series, but gave them NOTHING else but he's the difference maker? Against GS, he would be exploited so bad, it would be embarrassing, especially if they run him off the 3pt line... Cavs need more two way types of players which they don't have on their roster... anything else is fools gold...

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

But if you watch the game, Cavs didnt shut down Curry or Klay; Both were 2-11 on uncontested shots; that means open jumpers they missed; thats not shutting them down; Cavs just dont match up well with GS; again their best offensive weapons(not including LBJ) are horrible on defense; thats the problem; at the end of the day, I dont see Cavs being able to stop GS from doing what they want to do consistently; Its just 1 game for sure; and you would think adjustments will be made; but the way GS won should be a great cause for concern to the Cavs...

No doubt, that's why I said shut them down 'logic' because it really wasn't effective they just missed shots.. Thing is, I still see the Cavs making the series interesting to a point, but imagine if ONE of them were on in game one, thats a 130 point game right there, and the Cavs don't have the fire power to match that output.

 

[Spectrum]

Man OKC messed off a golden opportunity. Cavs are finished. They have so many liabilities facing the Warriors it isn't even funny.

May need to do some extreme shit to even compete.

Might need to send Delly out there on some "sweep the leg" shit on Curry... but they might still need some help after that.. nothing short of the Cavs just playing the best ball they've played all season plus the warriors just falling apart... beyond everything else, Iggy has those moments where he just completely rattles Lebron. So you're stuck with a team with no ball movement, where Lebron can get locked down, and you're forced to have the ball in Kyrie's hands too much..and he doesn't like to pass...

 

[BDR]

You used to give JR Dap Bruh... What happened?

I never gave JR dap lmaoo

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

Everybody is saying LeBron has to average 40 for them to win, if he does that they get destroyed. In order for him to do that he has to completely dominate the ball and take at least 50% of the shots and the offense will be even more stagnant than it is now.... As great a player as LeBron is there is no way in hell he can beat the Warriors by himself... He needs his teammates, especially Kyrie and Love, to step up in a way they aren't used to or just cant, defensively and movement without the ball. He won't get consistent enough production from his bench to be able to rely on them from game to game....

That being said, I fully expect the Cavs to win game 2...