Game Of Thrones: The Sopranos with swords or Dynasty in chainmail?

What about the army from the veil?

How big is the Lannister army?






shadowbannedkiwi

"The Tyrells are said to have over 80,000 troops. When they were with Renly and his supporters, they numbered over 100,000.

The Lannisters had 60,000 deployed during the war, but it's not full strength. They lost more than half their troops to Robb Stark and the Riverland armies. If they also numbered 100,000 at peak strength then it's possible that now they're around 60,000 strong or more left in the Seven Kingdoms.

Walder Frey had about 4,000 men at the start of the series and likely more from supporters. By now it's possible that he has maybe slightly more or slightly less.

The Greyjoys never had a large army and the civil war only weakened them immensely. Yara once had 30 Longships, each holding more than 100 men. That's 3,000 fighters and it sounded like they had a lot more. Could be currently sitting at about 10,000 peak strength now. Small for an entire Kingdom.

Dorne never went to war so they still have peak strength. Since the show follows the population of the books, Dorne likely has one of the larger and healthier armies left standing at over 30,000 peak. How many Doran had at Sunspear is hard to say. Maybe 100,000 total population with soldiers and guard on watch within. The military standing at over 10,000?

The Vale also haven't been involved in the war, and haven't been a very active Kingdom for a long time having stayed out of a lot of the fighting making their troops inexperienced compared to others, but their gear is rich and their training consistent. Think of them as the smaller Westerland army. Quality gear but half the size.

The Vale in the books in peak strength have over 30,000 troops. How many Robin Arryn has to command immediately is unknown. Like any of the major lords and cities he could command more than 5,000 troops or a max 10,000 at his immediate beckoning.

--Adding on to what was already said--

From what we heard from Smalljon Umber, they have less than 5,000 troops. Could be 1,000 left standing since most of their fighting men went with Robb Stark, or just over 2,000.

Karstarks forces returned after their lord was executed and they made half of Robbs army of less than 18,000. By this time I'm thinking he has about 10,000 men left as he had some of the lords return to the North, and some to attack smaller fortifications. So the Karstarks could have maybe 4,000-5,000 troops.

The Boltons had 5,000 troops, maybe less after fighting Stannis' army but I wouldn't rule it being less than 4,000. So the Boltons together have over 12,000 troops combined, only assuming Karstark and Umber rally their entire forces. A deployed army could be as much as 10,000 in the end. Ramsay seems like the kind of person who would rally his entire army. The Umbers would have no choice but to rally their whole army since they're closer to the Wall. Karstark may not deploy their entire army.

The Wildlings might be able to pull 2,000 troops. I doubt the Nights Watch will join them, also due to the fact that there's less than 100 of them now. If Jon could convince their allies to help them, then each lord could possibly send 1,000 or 2,000 troops in support, but I doubt they would fight alongside Wildlings. Only with the Vale can they stand a chance but I have doubts that they can win even with their help. The Vale aren't Northerners and we saw what the cold did t Stannis' army.

Danerys had 8,000 fighting Unsullied and 2,000 boys, and 2,000 Second Sons. I doubt they lost a large number of them. Maybe under 100. With 100,000 Dothraki she has over 110,000. Not sure if the 100,000 was fighting or total population, but she now has multiple hordes working for her and with them, they can grow even stronger"
 
Yall trippin Darnaris is the only reason I even got through season one and the beginning of two.

Not only is she likeable/lovable She was the only story line/ plight I cared about for the longest.

As far as looks, I said before, the white wig and them lips got her looking fine as fuck and I would definitely fight for her in that world.

In real life without the wing she the most plain jane white girl you ever seen.


again, i was conversing with someone about a character named clarke in a show called "the 100."

not dany from g.o.t.
 
such an unlikable main female protagonist (clarke) drags that show down. its a good show but her character has been sorely miscast.


Daenerys is a boring character period....How can want the throne and yet want to save everybody.She either stay her ass in Essos to save everybody or leave and get the throne for herself.

She reminds me of Cersei,because she ignores people that's experience,but get mad when shit doesn't goes their way..

Daenerys hasn't done shit,if you ask me,because she's been in the same fucking place for 2 or 3 years now

I would rather the showrunners focus more on Bran's character than watch Daenerys boring arc... :smh:
 
Daenerys is a boring character period....How can want the throne and yet want to save everybody.She either stay her ass in Essos to save everybody or leave and get the throne for herself.

She reminds me of Cersei,because she ignores people that's experience,but get mad when shit doesn't goes their way..

Daenerys hasn't done shit,if you ask me,because she's been in the same fucking place for 2 or 3 years now

I would rather the showrunners focus more on Bran's character than watch Daenerys boring arc... :smh:

Save the cheerleader, save the world....
 
Daenerys is a boring character period....How can want the throne and yet want to save everybody.She either stay her ass in Essos to save everybody or leave and get the throne for herself.

She reminds me of Cersei,because she ignores people that's experience,but get mad when shit doesn't goes their way..

She stays in the same place for 2 or 3 years?? :dunno:

Umm… what show have you been watching? o_O

The Dothraki are nomads. :rolleyes:

They move around from city to city and ransack it…. before moving on to the next place.

Season 1 - Dany started in the City of Pentos. Married Khal Drogo & joined his Khalasar. and they took her to Vaes Dothrak. During this time, she adds Jorah Mormont to her squad.

Season 2 - She leads the remnants of her Khalasar across the Red Waste Desert, and arrives in the city of Qarth almost dead from dehydration. But takes it over by the end of the season. :rolleyes:

Season 3 - Next she heads to the city of Astapor with her newly found riches. Buys the Unsullied Army. Adds Ser Barristan Selmy to her squad. Then travels to conquer Yunkai. Meets the Second Sons. Adds Daario Neharis to her royal squad.

Season 4 - Then she moves on to conquer the city of Mereen by the end of the season. In dramatic fashion.

Season 5 - She stays in Mereen to learn how to actually ‘rule’ a kingdom. Adds Tyrion & Varis to her squad.

Conquering & governing are 2 different things entirely.
And she needs to learn how to do BOTH well, in order to sit on the Iron Throne for a long time, when the entire series is finished.
(Assuming she will be the person to 'win' the Game of Thrones, that is.)


Basically, Mereen & Slaver’s Bay are the pre-season scrimmage games.

But marching into Kings Landing, High Garden, Dorne, The Reach, The Vale, Storms End, and The North is the NBA Playoffs & Finals. :yes:

Season 6 - She had a setback in Mereen. And was forced to go back to Vaes Dothrak. But now she got an EVEN BIGGER army by doing so. :rolleyes:

Bottom line, this chic Dany has CONQUERED practically every single city she has set foot in. :rolleyes:
Granted, some cities fall faster than others… but they are ALL falling like dominoes. :yes:

What show have you been watching? :dunno: lol

Her army is not large enough yet to take over the rest of Westeros and all the multiple Houses & Lords who will fight her ‘to the death’ for it…. but it’s getting there.

Daenerys hasn't done shit,if you ask me,because she's been in the same fucking place for 2 or 3 years now

I would rather the showrunners focus more on Bran's character than watch Daenerys boring arc... :smh:

Umm... the White Walkers been in the same place (north of the Wall) for over 5+ years now too. :rolleyes:
But everyone knows... whenever they get past Castle Black... all hell will break loose. :yes:

Same shit pertains to Dany.
Once she gets on a few ships with her WHOLE Army... all hell will break loose on the shores of Westeros. :yes:

The way things are going... she will probably decide to 'storm the beaches' of Kings Landing by the end of this season. :yes:

Wait for it. :cool:
 
shadowbannedkiwi

"The Tyrells are said to have over 80,000 troops. When they were with Renly and his supporters, they numbered over 100,000.

The Lannisters had 60,000 deployed during the war, but it's not full strength. They lost more than half their troops to Robb Stark and the Riverland armies. If they also numbered 100,000 at peak strength then it's possible that now they're around 60,000 strong or more left in the Seven Kingdoms.

Walder Frey had about 4,000 men at the start of the series and likely more from supporters. By now it's possible that he has maybe slightly more or slightly less.

The Greyjoys never had a large army and the civil war only weakened them immensely. Yara once had 30 Longships, each holding more than 100 men. That's 3,000 fighters and it sounded like they had a lot more. Could be currently sitting at about 10,000 peak strength now. Small for an entire Kingdom.

Dorne never went to war so they still have peak strength. Since the show follows the population of the books, Dorne likely has one of the larger and healthier armies left standing at over 30,000 peak. How many Doran had at Sunspear is hard to say. Maybe 100,000 total population with soldiers and guard on watch within. The military standing at over 10,000?

The Vale also haven't been involved in the war, and haven't been a very active Kingdom for a long time having stayed out of a lot of the fighting making their troops inexperienced compared to others, but their gear is rich and their training consistent. Think of them as the smaller Westerland army. Quality gear but half the size.

The Vale in the books in peak strength have over 30,000 troops. How many Robin Arryn has to command immediately is unknown. Like any of the major lords and cities he could command more than 5,000 troops or a max 10,000 at his immediate beckoning.

--Adding on to what was already said--

From what we heard from Smalljon Umber, they have less than 5,000 troops. Could be 1,000 left standing since most of their fighting men went with Robb Stark, or just over 2,000.

Karstarks forces returned after their lord was executed and they made half of Robbs army of less than 18,000. By this time I'm thinking he has about 10,000 men left as he had some of the lords return to the North, and some to attack smaller fortifications. So the Karstarks could have maybe 4,000-5,000 troops.

The Boltons had 5,000 troops, maybe less after fighting Stannis' army but I wouldn't rule it being less than 4,000. So the Boltons together have over 12,000 troops combined, only assuming Karstark and Umber rally their entire forces. A deployed army could be as much as 10,000 in the end. Ramsay seems like the kind of person who would rally his entire army. The Umbers would have no choice but to rally their whole army since they're closer to the Wall. Karstark may not deploy their entire army.

The Wildlings might be able to pull 2,000 troops. I doubt the Nights Watch will join them, also due to the fact that there's less than 100 of them now. If Jon could convince their allies to help them, then each lord could possibly send 1,000 or 2,000 troops in support, but I doubt they would fight alongside Wildlings. Only with the Vale can they stand a chance but I have doubts that they can win even with their help. The Vale aren't Northerners and we saw what the cold did t Stannis' army.

Danerys had 8,000 fighting Unsullied and 2,000 boys, and 2,000 Second Sons. I doubt they lost a large number of them. Maybe under 100. With 100,000 Dothraki she has over 110,000. Not sure if the 100,000 was fighting or total population, but she now has multiple hordes working for her and with them, they can grow even stronger"


Yeah but Theon might be able to convince the Greyjoys to help Jon Snow his cousin Arryn I personally think that Ramsey has advantage because of Rickon but that is his only advantage
 
Some one said a few pages back that Danrys father was "the mad king" but I thought the mad king was a barathion?

So game of thrones Historians on the board correct these next few statements for me so I can understand:

The mad king was a Barathion, Killed by Jamie Lanaster.

The mad kings son was supposedly Goffery Barathion. To which made Him King when Jamie killed his father.

Stanis Barathion knows Goffrey is not a true Barathion making his claim to the iron throne legitimate.

The Targarions Ruled for years in the olden days before they all died of grey scale.
 
Some one said a few pages back that Danrys father was "the mad king" but I thought the mad king was a barathion?

So game of thrones Historians on the board correct these next few statements for me so I can understand:

The mad king was a Barathion, Killed by Jamie Lanaster.

The mad kings son was supposedly Goffery Barathion. To which made Him King when Jamie killed his father.

Stanis Barathion knows Goffrey is not a true Barathion making his claim to the iron throne legitimate.

The Targarions Ruled for years in the olden days before they all died of grey scale.
Some one said a few pages back that Danrys father was "the mad king" but I thought the mad king was a barathion?

So game of thrones Historians on the board correct these next few statements for me so I can understand:

The mad king was a Barathion, Killed by Jamie Lanaster.

The mad kings son was supposedly Goffery Barathion. To which made Him King when Jamie killed his father.

Stanis Barathion knows Goffrey is not a true Barathion making his claim to the iron throne legitimate.

The Targarions Ruled for years in the olden days before they all died of grey scale.


The mad king was a Barathion
no -the Mad King was Aeris(sic) Targeryan

The mad kings son was supposedly Goffery Barathion.
no - Rheagar and Viseris were the mad king's sons

Stanis Barathion knows Goffrey is not a true Barathion making his claim to the iron throne legitimate.
true

The Targarions Ruled for years in the olden days before they all died of grey scale
yes they ruled - but none died of greyscale
 
The mad king was a Barathion
no -the Mad King was Aeris(sic) Targeryan

The mad kings son was supposedly Goffery Barathion.
no - Rheagar and Viseris were the mad king's sons

Stanis Barathion knows Goffrey is not a true Barathion making his claim to the iron throne legitimate.
true

The Targarions Ruled for years in the olden days before they all died of grey scale
yes they ruled - but none died of greyscale

So what made The Barathions have claim to the throne over the Targarions?
 
So what made The Barathions have claim to the throne over the Targarions?

Orys Baratheon (widely believed to be the bastard half brother of Aegon the conqueror) killed the last Storm king during the original conquest of Westeros.

He was awarded the Stormlands and the Baratheons have always claimed kinship to the Targaryans (like the Starks and Karstarks)

The Baratheons claim to have Royal Targaryans bloodlines thus
 
Orys Baratheon (widely believed to be the bastard half brother of Aegon the conqueror) killed the last Storm king during the original conquest of Westeros.

He was awarded the Stormlands and the Baratheons have always claimed kinship to the Targaryans (like the Starks and Karstarks)

The Baratheons claim to have Royal Targaryans bloodlines thus

Thank you. :shades:
 
So what made The Barathions have claim to the throne over the Targarions?
Assist.

House Targaryen

- Aemon Targaryen (aka “Maester Aemon”), the Oldest Man at Castle Black / the Night's Watch.... is at the Top of the Targaryen family tree. (as far as the tv show is concerned)

- Aerys Targaryen (aka “The Mad King”) was Aemon’s nephew. (Aemon’s younger brother’s son.)

- Rhaegar (deceased), Viserys (deceased) & Daenerys Targaryen (aka “The Mother of Dragons”) are the Mad King’s 3 children.

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House Lannister

- Tywin Lannister
(deceased) is at the Top of the Lannister tree. (as far as the tv show is concerned)

- Kevan Lannister (the Current “Hand of the King” in season 6) is Tywin’s younger brother.

- Cersei, Tyrion (the Dwarf) & Jaime Lannister (aka ‘the Kingslayer”) are Tywin’s 3 children.

- Joffrey (deceased), Marcella (deceased) & Tommen (the Current King) are Cersei & Jaime’s 3 children. (the result of Royal Incest)

- Lancel Lannister (who was ALSO sleeping with his cousin Cersei while Jaime was captured by the Starks…. is now one of the members of the High Sparrow’s Faith Militant Religious Zealot Army) is Kevan’s son.

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House Baratheon

- Robert Baratheon (Deceased. Former King in Season 1) is at the Top of the Baratheon tree. (as far as the tv show is concerned)

- Before Season 1 started, Rhaegar Targaryen (allegedly) kidnapped Lyanna Stark (Ned Stark’s sister) whom Robert was in love with... which started a war (called Robert’s Rebellion. Which took place 25 years before Season 1).

- During this Rebellion, Jaime Lannister killed the “Mad King” Aerys Targaryen, which helped Robert win the war & claim the Iron Throne via combat.

- So Robert actually became The King of Westeros by force… By conquering the Targaryens. (With the help of the Lannisters.)


- To repay the Lannister Family for their help in his Rebellion, Robert married Cersei.

- When Robert died in Season 1… the ‘rightful heir’ to the Iron Throne was in question.

- Robert believed that Prince Joffrey was his own son (with Cersei)… And he was heir to the Iron Throne.

- Stannis & Renly Baratheon are Robert’s 2 younger brothers. (Stannis is the middle child. Renly is the youngest.)

- Gendry (the Blacksmith) is the last living ‘true son’ of Robert Baratheon. But only a few people actually KNOW that he is King Robert’s son.

- In season 1 before he also died, Ned Stark told Stannis that Joffrey is really the son of Cersei & Jaime… so he has zero legal claim to the Iron Throne. So by Westeros Custom, he (Stannis) is the rightful heir.

- This is why Stannis believed he was up next, to be the King. :yes:

- But Renly wanted to skip ahead of Stannis & become king also. By force. Like his older brother did.
 
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Started rereading the books while I wait for George to spit out Book 6. Tons of foreshadowing in the book. The final outcome is laid out in the first two books, you just have to read in between the lines to figure it out.
 
So what made The Barathions have claim to the throne over the Targarions?
Usurp
(yo͞o-sûrp′, -zûrp′)
v. u·surped, u·surp·ing, u·surps
v.tr.
1. To seize and hold (the power or rights of another, for example) by force or without legal authority.
2. To take over or occupy without right: usurp a neighbor's land.
3. To take the place of (another) without legal authority; supplant.
v.intr.
To seize another's place, authority, or possession wrongfully.

That's why they called Robert Baratheon the Usurper.
 
Some one said a few pages back that Danrys father was "the mad king" but I thought the mad king was a barathion?

So game of thrones Historians on the board correct these next few statements for me so I can understand:

The mad king was a Barathion, Killed by Jamie Lanaster.

The mad kings son was supposedly Goffery Barathion. To which made Him King when Jamie killed his father.

Stanis Barathion knows Goffrey is not a true Barathion making his claim to the iron throne legitimate.

The Targarions Ruled for years in the olden days before they all died of grey scale.

Dany and her brother were stashed away by Varis when their father "The Mad King" was killed by Jamie as others have mentioned. This was when they were babies and before the first episode. The Viper's sister (you raped her, you murdered her, you killed her children), that he went on and on about was married to Dany's older brother...who supposedly kidnapped Ned's sister and later killed her.

Ned's older brother who was the leader of the family at the time came to Kings Landing to get their sister back. The Mad King ended up burning him alive. Ned's sister was set to be married to Robert Barathion. This is what started the rebellion against the Targarians and ended with Robert Barrathion as King and his desire to completely wipe out all Targarians.

The Mad king had Tywin as his hand, and Jamie in his Kings guard. He felt himself surrounded by enemies so he stashed wildfire throughout the city. (some of it was used in season to against Stannis' ships).

Anyway, Targarians are known to go mad because they are a product of generations of inbreeding. In season one, Jorah was originally sent over to see if Dany and her brother had the madness too. Her brother definitely did...Dany in my opinion is yet to be determined. (King Joffery had it too...some believe because of inbreeding).
 
That shit ain't happen on no season I watched. :lol:

They make a series of videos on the BlueRays that fills in the blanks of the show, things that are covered only in the books, or only briefly mentioned in the show called History and Lore of Westeros. Each on from each seasons BluRay is about an hour.

S1


S2


S3


S4


S5
 
Jay, watch those videos that Murdercity just put up. It will help fill in the blanks. Brother you've been lost for 5 seasons plus!:confused: No worries, I was lost for the first 3 mysself
 
Some one said a few pages back that Danrys father was "the mad king" but I thought the mad king was a barathion?

So game of thrones Historians on the board correct these next few statements for me so I can understand:

The mad king was a Barathion, Killed by Jamie Lanaster.

The mad kings son was supposedly Goffery Barathion. To which made Him King when Jamie killed his father.

Stanis Barathion knows Goffrey is not a true Barathion making his claim to the iron throne legitimate.

The Targarions Ruled for years in the olden days before they all died of grey scale.

bruh what the hell?
 
i dont know how i made it through the 1st season, it was soo fuckin boring to me, i didnt get into this show until half way through season 2.
This is what happens with all the " No Spoiler" people.. They are lost to what is really going on.
This is not some action movie with a big flashy fight at the end & everyone hugs happy.

This started 'cause the crazy King was burning other rulers alive & was about to burn all of Kings Landing to the ground.
The Crazy Kings son (kidnapped-Ran off with) Ned Starks sister-the woman Robert Barathion wanted.
Robert then got all his friends to rebell against the crazy King & get his woman back
Thats Roberts Rebellion ! ! The show starts 20 years after all that.

If that has gone over your head then you are semi lost the rest of the show.
Seven regions= Seven Familys=Seven Storys all at once.
 
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This is what happens with all the " No Spoiler" people.. They are lost to what is really going on.
This is not some action movie with a big flashy fight at the end & everyone hugs happy.
Cmon son :hmm:

This is NOT what happens to all the 'no spoiler' people. That's bullshit. :hmm:

This is what happens when you only 'halfway' pay attention to 'key dialogue' in the show, maybe because you are more interested in seeing tits & action. :yes:

All the storylines that folks complain about when the action 'slows down'... is exactly when they are telling the audience all this important information. But certain folks want to see combat action & nekkid bitches.... So it flies right over their heads. :yes:

Posting spoilers ruins the tv show.

It has nothing to do with someone's ability to follow the characters & story arcs from episode to episode.

Everything I posted earlier about the 3 Houses was from my knowledge of watching & paying attention to the dialogue.

Not from spoilers. :smh:
 
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Bernie Sparrow is setting up people to be slaughtered. Why anyone would listen to Corny ass Cersai, I don't know. Will she be squashed now, or in two episodes?
 
Episode 1 Season 1 King Robert goes to Winterfell and immediately goes to the crypts to see Lyanna with Ned. He says she should be buried somewhere warm with the sun on her face.

That scene had me wondering about the backstory from the jump. Then Robert says in his dreams he kills Rhagaer every night.

If you missed that you're lost in this show
 
Episode 1 Season 1 King Robert goes to Winterfell and immediately goes to the crypts to see Lyanna with Ned. He says she should be buried somewhere warm with the sun on her face.

That scene had me wondering about the backstory from the jump. Then Robert says in his dreams he kills Rhagaer every night.

If you missed that you're lost in this show

Stretch, I couldn't agree more. I binged watch the first 3 seasons right before season 6 started and you never really believe how much you miss. Season 3 really resonated for me because some of the key events from that season, most notably the red wedding, will be addressed/resolved this season.
 
This is what happens with all the " No Spoiler" people.. They are lost to what is really going on.
This is not some action movie with a big flashy fight at the end & everyone hugs happy.

This started 'cause the crazy King was burning other rulers alive & was about to burn all of Kings Landing to the ground.
The Crazy Kings son (kidnapped-Ran off with) Ned Starks sister-the woman Robert Barathion wanted.
Robert then got all his friends to rebell against the crazy King & get his woman back
Thats Roberts Rebellion ! ! The show starts 20 years after all that.

If that has gone over your head then you are semi lost the rest of the show.
Seven regions= Seven Familys=Seven Storys all at once.
you might not have read the books but you watched youtube videos that gave you more details than what was given in the series
 
This is what happens with all the " No Spoiler" people.. They are lost to what is really going on.
This is not some action movie with a big flashy fight at the end & everyone hugs happy.

This started 'cause the crazy King was burning other rulers alive & was about to burn all of Kings Landing to the ground.
The Crazy Kings son (kidnapped-Ran off with) Ned Starks sister-the woman Robert Barathion wanted.
Robert then got all his friends to rebell against the crazy King & get his woman back
Thats Roberts Rebellion ! ! The show starts 20 years after all that.

If that has gone over your head then you are semi lost the rest of the show.
Seven regions= Seven Familys=Seven Storys all at once.

Six stories - House Barathion is dead.
 
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I would think starting the books now would just confuse things. There's at least 3 sub plots (1 major, 1 medium, 1 minor) that it looks like the Show runners are choosing to ignore or skip.

Overall, I think the producers have done a masterful job of trimming the fat out of the books.

As someone mentioned, there's a lot of supplementle material on the web/utube that can get you caught up faster than the books can. And the best part is they are aware of differences between the show and books.
 
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