Should the Warriors record have an asterisk?

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Before and after the Golden State Warriors won the championship last year, there were rumblings through the journalism and social media community, respectively, about the Warriors not deserving their championship due to their path being filled with injury-depleted teams. Google, "Warriors and asterisk" and you see countless articles from various outlets discussing this notion. But, there is no criticism whatsoever about the path this year's Warriors team has traveled on their way to a NBA record 73 wins. These are the facts:

-During All-Star Weekend in February 2015, in response to an increase of injured superstars, Adam Silver announced a desire to make changes to the upcoming NBA schedule to allow players more rest.

-Silver and the NBA followed through on this proposal, announcing in August 2015 sweeping changes to the way they scheduled games.

-The league made a serious dent in four-games-in-five-days sets, cutting those from 70 last season to 27 this season – a 61% decrease.

-Back-to-backs were reduced to 17.8 per team for 2015-16, down from 19.3 last season, and no team had more than 20 back-to-backs this season.

-Long-distance back-to-backs were trimmed from 111 last season to 85 this season; back-to-backs that cross a time zone were cut from 194 last season to 160 this season.

-Four games in five days were reduced to .9 per team for 2015-16, down from 2.3 per team last season.

-The NBA reduced the number of miles traveled per team by 2%.

I'm surprised that the many people antagonizing the Warriors a year ago have become so silent about their run now. Those rumblings were so strong that Draymond Green said they used it as motivation for their run this year. Perhaps the beloved play of Stephen Curry was so strong that it overshadowed any criticism?

To the Warriors credit, they did travel a league high 53,575 miles. In comparison, their finals opponent last year, the Cavaliers, only traveled 35,055 miles. But, the Spurs traveled the fourth highest at 50,015 miles and tied the single-season home wins record while resting players throughout the year (and also were on pace for 70+ wins themselves).

As sports fans, whenever there was an improbable record broken, there was at most backlash, at the least, a hyperbolic debate. Think about when Marris broke Ruth's home run record (not to mention Hank Aaron) or more recently, Drew Brees breaking Dan Marino's single-season yardage record. There were constant conversations about the schedule or rule changes, respectively, boosting the player's chances of success. Hell, even the '96 Bulls record was dismissed as a byproduct of a watered down league due to the addition of two expansion teams. Yet, there is nothing but universal acclaim for this Warriors teams' accomplishments.

Thoughts?
 
I dont understand the authors argument at all

1. what does last year have to do with their current record?
2. reduced travel, less back to back games, etc. benefited all teams not solely the warrior
3. fuck the warriors
 
Interesting that the Warriors traveled more than any other team and the other points boosted their competition as much as them.

Good to consider league differences but nothing here demonstrates the Warriors had it any easier than past teams.
 
Jordan stans trying to give the Warriors an asterisk?
Fuck Jordan stans to death...
And fuck the Warriors.
Deeeeeeetroit Baaaaaaaasketbaaall!​
 
Interesting that the Warriors traveled more than any other team and the other points boosted their competition as much as them.

Good to consider league differences but nothing here demonstrates the Warriors had it any easier than past teams.

Yeah, I don't get the argument at all. The changes affected the entire league. Should the NBA championship not be considered worth as much this year? If the author asked that question, he'd understand how flawed his reasoning is.
 
Stat geeks and an over-reliance on analytics are ruining sports. The amount of effort these people put into discrediting a team's accomplishments borders on insanity.
 
injuries are part of sports.....

does that mean Magic Johnson is automatically the GOAT because no other player has played all 5 positions during a championship series ?
 
1.) People with the asterisk really need to shut the fuck up. NBA teams are made up of 12 men. One man goes down, next man up. If that next man sucks, blame your GM for not putting together a decent 12 man roster.

2.) All the rest talk is a result of two things. Gregg Poppovich and Lebron. Pop said fuck you to the league and rested his guys even in marquee matchups because he understands the big picture – it's about winning championships. National TV game be damn. He was resting his guys no matter what the league said. And then when Lebron made some noise about too many games in a week and not enough rest, Adam Silver knows what side his bread is buttered on. The league made changes. And trust me, they will continue.
 
Jordan stans trying to give the Warriors an asterisk?
Fuck Jordan stans to death...
And fuck the Warriors.
Deeeeeeetroit Baaaaaaaasketbaaall!​

For the record. I don't believe they need an asterisk. They won it, nothing else matters. But how you know he's a Jordan stan??? Sounds like you felt the need to throw you know who into a place he really didn't need to be... You're not still salty??? Are yoi???
 
For the record. I don't believe they need an asterisk. They won it, nothing else matters. But how you know he's a Jordan stan??? Sounds like you felt the need to throw you know who into a place he really didn't need to be... You're not still salty??? Are yoi???

You coming at me like you wrote the article.
Calm down, it's just sports.​
 
I've been a Warriors fan my whole life.
Yes, they need an asterisk, but not for the reasons stated.
The NBA is weak as fuck today. Players are less physical, anybody of any size can drive to the rim, and there are no centers in the league. It's simply easier for a great team, with a special, once in a generation player like Curry, to win.
 
1.) People with the asterisk really need to shut the fuck up. NBA teams are made up of 12 men. One man goes down, next man up. If that next man sucks, blame your GM for not putting together a decent 12 man roster.

2.) All the rest talk is a result of two things. Gregg Poppovich and Lebron. Pop said fuck you to the league and rested his guys even in marquee matchups because he understands the big picture – it's about winning championships. National TV game be damn. He was resting his guys no matter what the league said. And then when Lebron made some noise about too many games in a week and not enough rest, Adam Silver knows what side his bread is buttered on. The league made changes. And trust me, they will continue.

pop rested his guys cause they old. he didn't rest any of them when they were young and in their primes. but they started breaking down in the playoffs cause they were old. so he started it for that reason
these young dudes just soft.
 
pop rested his guys cause they old. he didn't rest any of them when they were young and in their primes. but they started breaking down in the playoffs cause they were old. so he started it for that reason
these young dudes just soft.
Pop always rested players. It just got more pronounced and frequent as his guys got older. Duncan hasn't played 82 games since his 5th season in the league. http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duncati01.html. And that has nothing to do with injury.

Check the squad. Rarely do any of them play 82.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2016.html

Now that more NBA players are playing summer ball for the Olympics and other international games, it's a 10 month season for a lot of them. This is going to be the new normal in the league.
 
That is one of the things I hate about the NBA this year the playoffs are not competitive this year you already know when the smoke settles it is going to be Warriors vs Cavls
 
It doesn't matter who was injury depleted, whose wife divorced them Midway through the and their heart wasn't into playing basketball anymore or whatever the fuck, every team has to lineup 5 people and if you beat those 5 people with your 5 people you get to win. End of story
 
To the Warriors credit, they did travel a league high 53,575 miles. In comparison, their finals opponent last year, the Cavaliers, only traveled 35,055 miles. But, the Spurs traveled the fourth highest at 50,015 miles and tied the single-season home wins record while resting players throughout the year (and also were on pace for 70+ wins themselves).


I copied the quote over to ChatGPT and asked it "#1- Are you able to find the source? #2- How does travel for NBA champions since that 2015 Warriors team compare? #3- Which NBA champion travelled the most miles ever?"

The answers:

Short answers​


  1. Source of your forum quote: that paragraph is reproducing numbers published from NBAsavant’s “Travel Schedule Map” (Daren Willman) and echoed by outlets such as Quartz and Forbes at the time. The NBAsavant page is the canonical source for those per-team season totals. NBASavant+2Quartz+2

  2. How champions’ travel compares since the 2015 Warriors season: there is no single trend (champions do not all cluster at one end). Travel totals are dominated by geography and schedule quirks (West Coast clubs normally log the most miles). Some champions (Warriors seasons) were in the ~50–54k-mile range; others (Raptors, some East teams) were in the high-30k to low-40k range. In short: champions’ regular-season travel totals vary a lot — geography + specific schedule design (homestands, long road trips, international legs) explain most of the variation. (Sources and example season numbers below.) NBASavant+1

  3. Which NBA champion travelled the most (regular season) in the public record?

    • The 2016–17 Golden State Warriors are the best-documented leader among champion seasons: 54,436 miles (published on the Warriors’ schedule breakdown page). That is the largest single-season regular-season total I could verify in public team/NBAsavant reporting for a champion. NBA

    • The Warriors’ 2015–16 season is also commonly quoted (NBAsavant) at 53,575 miles, and was widely reported at the time — so the 2015–17 Warriors seasons are the two top champion-era high-travel examples. NBASavant+1

Evidence table (regular-season miles — best publicly-published figures I could verify)​

Notes on the table: these are regular-season schedule totals (airport-to-airport style totals as reported by NBAsavant / team schedule pages / beat reporting). “Source” links are the pages that publish or quote the number; where I couldn’t find a clean single-number from both NBAsavant and ChartingHoops in the quick pull, I put the best available published figure and noted that the alternate source needs a direct pull. If you want, I will fetch every season from both NBAsavant and ChartingHoops and return a strict side-by-side (I can do that next).
Champion seasonChampionBest verified regular-season miles (published)Source
2014–15Golden State Warriors(no clean single-number located in quick pass) — NBAsavant has season maps; ESPN reporting cites other high totals that year (eg. Portland very high).NBAsavant / ESPN (see NBAsavant map). NBASavant+1
2015–16Cleveland Cavaliers (champions)35,055 miles (NBAsavant — widely quoted).NBAsavant travel map (published totals). NBASavant
2016–17Golden State Warriors54,436 miles (team schedule breakdown / Warriors site). — largest verified champion-season total I found.Warriors schedule breakdown (team site). NBA
2017–18Golden State Warriors50,310 miles (team schedule breakdown / Warriors site).Warriors schedule breakdown (team site). NBA
2018–19Toronto Raptors~39,000–40,000 miles — local beat reporting and Raptors schedule writeups report “just under 40,000 miles.” (team/beat reporting phrasing.)Raptors schedule coverage / beat (Ed Kupfer / RaptorsHQ summary). Raptors HQ
2019–20Los Angeles Lakers(no single, clean published total located in quick pass) — many schedule writeups exist; NBAsavant / ChartingHoops have season maps and will have the number.(NBAsavant / team schedule pages). NBASavant
2020–21Milwaukee Bucks(no single, clean published total located in quick pass) — pandemic schedule changes make direct comparisons tricky; the Bucks’ schedule pages and NBAsavant/ChartingHoops have season totals.(team / NBAsavant / ChartingHoops). Wikipedia+1
2021–22Golden State Warriors~50,000 miles (team estimate reported in schedule coverage) — team reporting put this near ~50k.Warriors schedule coverage / team reporting. NBA
2022–23Denver Nuggets~50,000 miles (team/beat reporting said roughly 50k) — team schedule writeups cited ~50k.Nuggets schedule reporting / beat coverage. ESPN.com
2023–24Boston Celtics~42,000 miles (team estimate reported in coverage) — beat/team coverage reported a ~42k figure.Celtics schedule writeups / beat reporting. Wikipedia
2024–25Oklahoma City Thunder(no single, clean published total located in quick pass) — schedule released; NBAsavant/ChartingHoops will have exact totals.(schedule pages / NBAsavant / ChartingHoops).
 
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