Top Republicans talking up Paul Ryan as nominee

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One of the nation's best-wired Republicans sees a 54 percent chance that Ryan will end up as the nominee.

By MIKE ALLEN

On the eve of the Wisconsin primaries, top Republicans are becoming increasingly vocal about their long-held belief that Speaker Paul Ryan will wind up as the nominee, perhaps on the fourth ballot at a chaotic Cleveland convention.

One of the nation's best-wired Republicans, with an enviable prediction record for this cycle, sees a 60 percent chance of a convention deadlock and a 90 percent chance that delegates turn to Ryan — ergo, a 54 percent chance that Ryan, who'll start the third week of July as chairman of the Republican National Convention, will end it as the nominee.

"He's the most conservative, least establishment member of the establishment," the Republican source said. "That's what you need to be."

Ryan, who's more calculating and ambitious than he lets on, is running the same playbook he did to become speaker: saying he doesn't want it, that it won't happen. In both cases, the maximum leverage is to not want it — and to be begged to do it. He and his staff are trying to be as Shermanesque as it gets. Ryan repeated his lack of interest Monday morning in an interview from Israel with radio host Hugh Hewitt.

Of course in this environment, saying you don't want the job is the only way to get it. If he was seen to be angling for it, he'd be stained and disqualified by the current mess.

But Ryan, 46, a likable Midwesterner, could look too tempting to resist as Republicans finally focus on a beatable Hillary Clinton. He got rave reviews for a "State of American Politics" speech on March 23 (hashtag on his podium: "#ConfidentAmerica," the title of his high-minded manifesto at the Library of Congress in December). In the "State of Politics" address, Ryan offered himself as the anti-Trump (without mentioning The Don): "Politics can be a battle of ideas, not insults."

On "Morning Joe" Monday morning, Joe Scarborough said that if Trump falls even one vote short of a clinch, the convention will "look for someone else": "If Trump doesn't get the number, they'll say they have rules for a reason." And Karl Rove told conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt last week: "A fresh face might be the thing that would give us a chance to turn this election and win in November against Hillary."

Top Republicans say "fresh face" is code for "Paul Ryan."

A Ryan friend chuckled when we asked if he wants it, and pointed to last month's address: "That was somebody who was laying out the speech that, in most cases, you'd give six months before you announce you're going to run - when you're going around the country, raising money for your leadership PAC."



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Our polling shows Ryan losing a general election matchup. (Rob Kunzig/Morning Consult)

Poll: Paul Ryan Is No General Election Savior for Republicans

CAMERON EASLEY | MARCH 21, 2016
The chaotic events of a contested convention this summer could leave House Speaker Paul Ryan as the Republican nominee for president, but he would still have an uphill climb to winning the general election, according to a new Morning Consult survey.

The Wisconsin Republican, who will preside over the Republican National Convention in Cleveland, has deflected questions about being drafted as the nominee in the event that no candidate is able to attain the 1,237 delegates needed to lock up the nomination.

The new poll, taken March 18 through March 21, shows Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton taking 43 percent of the general election vote, while Ryan would get 35 percent if he were the GOP nominee. Almost one-fourth of voters (22 percent) said they were undecided in a head-to-head match between Clinton and Ryan.

Hillary Clinton Paul Ryan Don't Know/No Opinion
Likely Voters (n=2001) 43% 35% 22%
Meanwhile, liberal firebrand Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) also leads Ryan 49 percent to 39 percent, according to the national poll of 2,001 registered voters. About one-fourth of voters (23 percent) were undecided in that scenario.

Bernie Sanders Paul Ryan Don't Know/No Opinion
Likely Voters (n=2001) 49% 29% 23%
Sanders’ advantage over Clinton against the Ryan appears to be born out of his strong support among independent voters: The Vermont senator wins 44 percent of the independent vote in a head-to-head matchup with Ryan, while Clinton wins only 32 percent.

Ryan is among the more visible faces of the Republican Party, having run alongside Mitt Romney on the 2012 GOP ticket and last year elected to one of the most powerful positions on Capitol Hill. But he is still a bit of a mystery to many voters compared to the candidates currently in the presidential field. Fourteen percent of voters say they have never heard of Ryan. Only Ohio Gov. John Kasich has similar tepid name recognition, with 13 percent of voters saying they have never heard of him.

By contrast, 3 percent of voters have never heard of Texas Sen. Ted Cruz. Practically every voter has heard of GOP front-runner Donald Trump. (The “don’t know” answers are less than 1 percent.)

Only 2 percent of voters have never heard of Sanders, and 1 percent have never heard of Clinton.

Looking at the other GOP contenders, it’s Kasich who performs best in head-to-head matchups with the Democrats. The poll shows Clinton beating him by just 2 points, with one out of five voters undecided. She beats Cruz and Trump by 8 and 7 points, respectively.

Hillary Clinton John Kasich Don't Know/No Opinion
Likely Voters (n=2001) 41% 39% 20%
The margins are even bigger for Democrats if Sanders is the nominee: The poll shows him beating Kasich by 14 points, Trump by 16 points and Cruz by 18 points.

Bernie Sanders John Kasich Don't Know/No Opinion
Likely Voters (n=2001) 46% 32% 22%
But it’s looking increasingly less likely that Sanders will be the nominee, as Clinton has secured nearly double the number of delegates in the race. She also picked up some momentum in Morning Consult’s latest matchup between her and Sanders, where she polls above 50 percent for the first time in several weeks.

March 18-21, 2016 March 16-18, 2016 March 11-13, 2016
Hillary Clinton 51% 49% 48%
Bernie Sanders 39% 40% 40%
Someone Else 4% 4% 5%
Don't Know/No Opinion 7% 7% 7%
As for the current state of the GOP presidential race, Trump remains the strong front runner with 45 percent of the vote, up 2 points from our previous poll. Cruz and Kasich each lost 1 point.

March 18-21, 2016 March 16-18, 2016 March 11-13, 2016
Donald Trump 45% 43% 42%
Ted Cruz 26% 27% 23%
John Kasich 13% 14% 9%
Marco Rubio n/a n/a 12%
Someone Else 6% 7% 5%
Don't Know/No Opinion 10% 10% 8%
The Morning Consult survey polled 2,001 registered voters from March 18-21 and has a margin of error of plus or minus 2 percentage points. See the toplines and crosstabs.
 
This would be a brilliant move on their part. Of course Trump could still sink them by running as an independent.

I don't think Hillary would beat Paul Ryan either.
 
This would be a brilliant move on their part. Of course Trump could still sink them by running as an independent.

I don't think Hillary would beat Paul Ryan either.

Brilliant how? As soon as they dump the votes and "place him" the knuckle daggers that make up most of the GOP will revolt. Trump will rum 3rd party and (as vulnerable as Hillary is) they'll be too much infighting to notice her and she'll win.
 
Brilliant how? As soon as they dump the votes and "place him" the knuckle daggers that make up most of the GOP will revolt. Trump will rum 3rd party and (as vulnerable as Hillary is) they'll be too much infighting to notice her and she'll win.

I stated that possibility in my post.

But if Trump didn't run as a 3rd party it could be trouble.
 
I stated that possibility in my post.

But if Trump didn't run as a 3rd party it could be trouble.

My bad, skipped over that part. I'm wondering if Trump would back off of that? I think he'd be an idiot if he did
 
i'll be at the polls tomorrow morning.

it'll be difficult for me to vote for clinton.
 
i'll be at the polls tomorrow morning.

it'll be difficult for me to vote for clinton.

I hear ya.

I voted for Sanders in Illinois but I am regretting it.

My main problem with Bernie now is he will not help the Democrat party take back the Senate. With all the Supreme Court appointments coming up the country can shift to the left finally if we get the Presidenticy and control of the Senate.

During 2015, Clinton raised $18 million for other Democratic candidates, while Sanders did no fundraising for them at all. Those are just last year’s numbers. The difference in party fundraising between them going back decades would surely be even more dramatic. After all, before this campaign began, Sanders was emphatic that he was not a Democrat.
 
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wow. this will be the most perplexing election i've ever participated in. :smh:
I hear ya.

I voted for Sanders in Illinois but I am regretting it.

My main problem with Bernie now is he will not help the Democrat party take back the Senate. With all the Sepreme court appointments coming up the country can shift to the left finally if we get the Presidenticy and control of the Senate.

During 2015, Clinton raised $18 million for other Democratic candidates, while Sanders did no fundraising for them at all. Those are just last year’s numbers. The difference in party fundraising between them going back decades would surely be even more dramatic. After all, before this campaign began, Sanders was emphatic that he was not a Democrat.
 
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Paul Ryan is a con man!
Now you might take issue with that statement given the reality that almost ALL politicians embellish, distort or flat-out LIE....but.....Paul Ryan is in a special category.
He is bold-faced unmitigated premeditated LIAR. With the connivance of the "corporate television media"; NBC, FOX FAKE, CBS, ABC, CNN he is presented as the serious policy wonk of the RepubliKlan party.

However Ryan's policy proposals are pure rubbish; he is a fraud! The corporate media gives him a free pass to spout his lies without any challenge.
If you take 60 minutes out of your life and actually read Ryan's bullshit policy proposals you will be shocked at its complete lack of reality-based facts; there are NONE AT ALL; just smoke & mirrors and asterisks.

RepubliKlan policies going into this 2016 election are unchanged since 2000. If anything their policies have become even more intransigently, macro-economically illiterate.
Paul Ryan the Republiklans go-to-guy for economic policy continues to issue an economic "Roadmap To Prosperity", every year, based on the fantasy childish unreal fiction of novelist Ayn Rand.

The substance of Ryan's yearly budget document is laughable accounting fiction which calls for drastic cuts in government safety net programs, coupled with huge tax cuts for the .05% including capital gains cut to ZERO percent, the privatization of Medicare, the turnover of Social Security to Wall street, and a HUGE increase in military spending.


This fantasy 'budget'?? - is quickly debunked by any high school student who has taken advanced placement courses in accounting or math. In Ryan's bizarre world $500 Billion plus $400 Billion equals $300 Billion. Despite this yearly Bullshit document that Ryan puts out that any Grade C accountant can quickly debunk - the corporate media of mass deception continues to present this flim-flam man as a "serious" person.


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I thought they would have done this a long time ago. In 2008 I wrote a Pelican Brief, basically stating that the Republicans gave up the 2008 election by putting up a sorry ass candidate on purpose hoping that the Democrats would win & the economy would fall.

They could blame the Democrats while prepping a white knight who is perfect in every way. A family man, a military man - the perfect plant. Unfortunately, I overestimated the intelligence of Republicans... Or should I say fortunately
 
It's gonna be interesting to see how Trump's hardcore supporters react if this goes down. Will they sit out the general? That convention is gonna be a shit show
 
Not only would they lose many Trump supporters, but Cruz and Kasich supporters as well. Clinton might just win every state if this happens.
I doubt if they do this...if anything if they go this route it would be Kasich...which would still piss off alot of Trump supporters
 
Not going to be a good look for the GOP. They would basically be saying you have to be one of the boys to be nominated.
 
I hear ya.

I voted for Sanders in Illinois but I am regretting it.

My main problem with Bernie now is he will not help the Democrat party take back the Senate. With all the Supreme Court appointments coming up the country can shift to the left finally if we get the Presidenticy and control of the Senate.

During 2015, Clinton raised $18 million for other Democratic candidates, while Sanders did no fundraising for them at all. Those are just last year’s numbers. The difference in party fundraising between them going back decades would surely be even more dramatic. After all, before this campaign began, Sanders was emphatic that he was not a Democrat.


Yes Clinton is raising money for candidates like Debbie Wasserman Shultz and as I said earlier Clinton could give up all the money she raises and it doesn't hurt her because of her SuperPacs which have more money invested than all of Sanders donations.

As for helpin the party let's not forget that Clinton stayed in the 2008 race until June..

It is no secret that Sanders is trying to break the establishment democratic party and to me that is a good thing because what has the establishment party really done for the people ?

Let's not forget the establishment democratic party supported Anita Alverez for re-election and they also supported Rahm Emanual

The establishment party supports the status quo and we can see that even in the presidential campaigns with who actually was in the race to start it...For them it was Clinton's turn all along and that turn shit is also what destroyed the republicans in 2008 and 2012.

There was no strong field and if Sanders does nothing else he is trying to take the left back to the left

The reason I brought up Shultz is because while you say the country can go to the left I disagree that just claiming to be a democrat isn't enough. Look at her support for weakening the regulations on Pay Day Lenders which cause massive harm in the black community with their legal loan sharking. That sure isn't a left leaning position especially for the DNC chairman.

Let's also not forget that Obama couldn't count of the blue dog democrats because instead of left-leaning ideology of the party they were more concerned with keeping their jobs and being afraid of their districts..What good is a democrat that votes with the right to keep their seat ?

I also question how left leaning the current democratic establishment is when the farther right the GOP goes the farther away from the left the democrats go.

We now call center right democrats moderate....

The democrats have to re-establish themselves as a party concerned with social issues and social justice and get away from the big money policies that hurt the people.
 
Not going to be a good look for the GOP. They would basically be saying you have to be one of the boys to be nominated.

isn't that what the democrats are doing too ?? Just not as blatant.

the electorate is broken and so is the two party system.
 
I haven't heard any say they would not support Bernie if he got the nomination.

Because they don't think that he will....The difference with Trump is he is way out front :lol:

Their fear makes you wonder though.. If they were sure that Trump would follow the GOP position they wouldn't be so frantic.
 
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