the media is starting to look into Sanders voting records :)

easy_b

Easy_b is in the place to be.
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http://bluenationreview.com/bernie-sided-with-tom-delay-and-religious-right/

Bernie Sanders and his surrogates are on the warpath against Hillary, hurling baseless accusations in hopes of derailing her campaign. Bernie’s false claim that Hillary takes money from fossil fuel companies has sparked a debate that has led the media to begin vetting him.


Here are excerpts from an illuminating story about Bernie from Ken Thomas at the Associated Press:

Advocates within the scientific community cite his voting record in the early 2000s in the House when he repeatedly supported a ban on all forms of human cloning, including one called therapeutic cloning intended to create customized cells to treat disease.

Sanders campaign spokesman Michael Briggs did not respond to requests to comment on the subject.

While serving in the House, Sanders voted to ban therapeutic cloning in 2001, 2003 and 2005 as Congress grappled with the ethics of biotechnology and scientific advances. Patient advocacy groups note that Sanders co-sponsored bans in 2003 and 2005 that included criminal penalties for conducting the research and opposed alternatives that would have allowed the cloning of embryos solely for medical research.

Clinton, meanwhile, co-sponsored legislation in 2001 and 2002 in the Senate that would have expanded stem cell research and co-sponsored a bill in 2005 that would have banned human cloning while protecting the right of scientists to conduct stem cell research.

Sanders and (then Republican House Majority Leader Tom) DeLay — some unlikely group — were just unyielding and they were part of the religious right’s attempt to shut down this whole critical new frontier of therapy for chronic disease,” said Robert Klein, chairman of the California Institute for Regenerative Medicine.

“It’s fine to say you’re for stem cell research but you vote against it and you vote against all therapeutic application, it doesn’t mean anything to say you’re for it,” Klein said. “Fine, he votes for it years later when it’s more popular and the pressure is off. We needed leadership then.”

At BNR, we have never attacked Bernie Sanders in gratuitous personal terms and never will. We are aligned with his progressive values and we consider his supporters our ideological brothers and sisters.

However, we categorically reject the all-out assault on Hillary’s character aided and abetted by his campaign. There is absolutely no excuse for impugning Hillary’s integrity, certainly not in an election season where she may be facing Donald Trump in a general election.

With each new character attack from Bernie and his supporters against Hillary, we have reported on Bernie’s own voting record, from the bill he co-sponsored to dump nuclear waste on low-income Latinos in Sierra Blanca, to his support for the F-35 boondoggle, to his troubling coziness with the NRA. And now, the stunning report that he supported criminal penalties for people conducting potentially life-saving research.

Our objective is to debunk the myth that Bernie is pure and Hillary is corrupt, which is unfair, unjust and completely untrue. The fact is that they are both human beings with flaws, politicians who have made mistakes, and ultimately, well-intentioned individuals who have tried to do good in the world.

We simply ask Bernie, his aides, surrogates and supporters to acknowledge that fact and act accordingly.
 
Is it okay for Sanders supporters to admit he has flaws and still think Hillary has more flaws? I keep hearing this narrative that Sanders supporters think he is pure and more than a politician. Is this true? Almost seems like a ploy for someone to frame the debate a certain way.
 
Is it okay for Sanders supporters to admit he has flaws and still think Hillary has more flaws? I keep hearing this narrative that Sanders supporters think he is pure and more than a politician. Is this true? Almost seems like a ploy for someone to frame the debate a certain way.

 
Is it okay for Sanders supporters to admit he has flaws and still think Hillary has more flaws? I keep hearing this narrative that Sanders supporters think he is pure and more than a politician. Is this true? Almost seems like a ploy for someone to frame the debate a certain way.
That's what Hillary fans are doing. They make it seem like those of us who support Sanders think he is the greatest. Most of us don't. We just know he isn't as fucked up as Hillary. The Clintons don't deserve ANY black support. Besides, anyone who voted for the Iraq war isn't qualified to be in office.
 
Is it okay for Sanders supporters to admit he has flaws and still think Hillary has more flaws? I keep hearing this narrative that Sanders supporters think he is pure and more than a politician. Is this true? Almost seems like a ploy for someone to frame the debate a certain way.

Sanders supporters will say Sanders isn't part of the "establishment" while ignoring that he's been a career politician for 30 years.
 
That's what Hillary fans are doing. They make it seem like those of us who support Sanders think he is the greatest. Most of us don't. We just know he isn't as fucked up as Hillary. The Clintons don't deserve ANY black support. Besides, anyone who voted for the Iraq war isn't qualified to be in office.

The only difference between the framing of Sanders as a fairy tale campaign and the attempt to do so with Obama is that Sanders has a 20+ year voting record.

You could literally call this a "Sanders isn't perfect" campaign. And so now that framing is going to be used to justify shifting the focus to fucking votes on cloning at the time of the Iraq war instead of the actual war, as if the two are at all equivalent.
 
Is it okay for Sanders supporters to admit he has flaws...
Typical BGOL BernieBro: Have you ever looked at Bernie Sanders? Bernie's just a joy to be around. He smells like lemon juice and pledge furniture cleaner. And look at him! He gave Black people in Vermont discipline, jobs, put Jewish structure in their lives, took them out the jungles, and what we to do to show our appreciation? We march up and down the street bothering him about #BlackLivesMatter, we threaten to even consider voting for another Democrat, carrying on about "Black" this and "Black" that. Ingrates.

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Sanders supporters will say Sanders isn't part of the "establishment" while ignoring that he's been a career politician for 30 years.

There's a spectrum. Sure, you could say anybody who holds political office is the establishment but functionally, Hillary Clinton's entrenchment as opposed to Sanders and, more importantly, the interests they have represented in office are inarguably very different.

Again, this tactic of attacking the fact that Sanders isn't 100% pure shifts the discussion from the elephant in the room to the fly on its ass.
 
What people don't realize is that bernie isn't built for heavyweight politics. He's punching way above his weight. The office of POTUS would swallow his lightweight ass up. Hillary for all her and Bill's flaws knows how to get down and dirty with it. And these folks talking about blacks shouldn't do this or that, man if you're still looking to white people or the government to dismantle the racist system you are totally lost.
 
easy
so are you going to flood the board with anti sanders stuff cause you support hillary now? don't do it man. just post the 1 pic goodness and keep the politics in 1 thread.
thanks in advance.
nope i am sick of Sanders people telling me i am uninformed or i don't know any better.
 
Sanders supporters will say Sanders isn't part of the "establishment" while ignoring that he's been a career politician for 30 years.

Can't deny that I have heard some say this...fair point...the only non establishment candidate is Trump and he is non political establishment...he is as Wall Street and 1% as they come, so he is solidly big business establishment
 
Make one pro-Hillary or anti-Bernie thread. Stop spamming the board.
Ballscout1 posted 20 consecutive anti-Clinton cut-n-pastes in less than an hour the other week (check the search) and you didn't say SHIT about SHIT. Hmmm....
 
Ballscout1 posted 20 consecutive anti-Clinton cut-n-pastes in less than an hour the other week (check the search) and you didn't say SHIT about SHIT. Hmmm....
Because I dont recall seeing them. Had I did see back to back post, I would have.
 
Because I dont recall seeing them. Had I did see back to back post, I would have.
Fair enough - not all of us 'live' on BGOL (some do tho!). Personally I'm more anti-Trump and anti-Cruz than pro-Anybody. I just want to support someone who I think can win the General Election. *IF* Sanders picks up the pace and wins NY/NJ/PA/CA I would have no problem supporting him come November. But I just don't see that happening, and I *despise* the fact that BernieBros want to cross over using Democratic bridge and then burn it down if they don't get 100% of their far-left demands.
 
Only people I know affected by that were criminals. Tons of my family and friends thrived, became homeowners, and went to college during the Bill Clinton era.
So you don't think there are innocent black and latinos in prison by the thousands and thousands more in on bullshit charges?
 
So you don't think there are innocent black and latinos in prison by the thousands and thousands more in on bullshit charges?


I personally don't know any, but in sure there are innocent(small % being innocent) black and Latinos who got locked up during Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush...most people i know locked up deserve to be......You think that's going to stop with Bernie Sanders?
 
Only people I know affected by that were criminals. Tons of my family and friends thrived, became homeowners, and went to college during the Bill Clinton era.

You're right. People engaged in non-violent drug crimes got caught up. The thing is white people engaged in those same crimes didn't. If they did, drug prohibition wouldn't exist. It's like how a young black man will get ran through the system for jaywalking, but a white person won't. The Clintons helped grow the prison industrial complex and there isn't any defending that shit.

Yes, I know. People just shouldn't commit crimes. We get that. But politicians shouldn't back racist drug laws and racist enforcement. Do you get that?
 
I personally don't know any, but in sure there are innocent(small % being innocent) black and Latinos who got locked up during Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush...most people i know locked up deserve to be......You think that's going to stop with Bernie Sanders?
Small percentage? You know how many Blacks are in prison for smoking or selling a little weed? While crackas snort coke and get a fine.
 
You're right. People engaged in non-violent drug crimes got caught up. The thing is white people engaged in those same crimes didn't. If they did, drug prohibition wouldn't exist. It's like how a young black man will get ran through the system for jaywalking, but a white person won't. The Clintons helped grow the prison industrial complex and there isn't any defending that shit.

Yes, I know. People just shouldn't commit crimes. We get that. But politicians shouldn't back racist drug laws and racist enforcement. Do you get that?

If that's your issue I can understand why Bill Clinton shouldn't get your vote.
 
What people don't realize is that bernie isn't built for heavyweight politics. He's punching way above his weight. The office of POTUS would swallow his lightweight ass up. Hillary for all her and Bill's flaws knows how to get down and dirty with it. And these folks talking about blacks shouldn't do this or that, man if you're still looking to white people or the government to dismantle the racist system you are totally lost.
He's punching above his weight? Oh, aight. When those NYC numbers come in, you'll realize your girl ain't in the right division. David axlrod has been tweeting for months that that lady is a born again loser.
 
Small percentage? You know how many Blacks are in prison for smoking or selling a little weed? While crackas snort coke and get a fine.

I was talking about innocent....but again I know more people who came up during the Clinton era vs went to jail for selling weed...
American court system is unbalanced with race don't make it easy :dunno:
 
If that's your issue I can understand why Bill Clinton shouldn't get your vote.
LOL....nice one. But Hillary was just as much part of it as Nancy was. They were heavy on the PR trail pushing bullshit. Now Hillary is like oops(much like her Iraq war stance which is also inexcusable), my bad. Naw, oops isn't going to work. Those evil fucks knew exactly what they were going for. Fuck the Clintons.
 
Ballscout1 posted 20 consecutive anti-Clinton cut-n-pastes in less than an hour the other week (check the search) and you didn't say SHIT about SHIT. Hmmm....

:crymeariver:

here is page one of threads I have started......should i continue so or will you admit you are a lying ass ?


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