Does a Non-Black spouse negate a Pro-Black message?

[Amajorfucup]

The ACTUAL question is about how can a man promote blackness then marry outside his own race period. Thats why all of these repsonses address the optics and subliminal message of a black leader marrying a non black but especially WHITE woman. Even if you want to bring in future generations and children being produced Douglass's white wife was STILL of child bearing age and we've seen cases of men in old age still producing children.

The reality is if going by their response even tho FD was old and had fought for change for his people..things weren't and STILL aren't even close to being settled enough for him to jump the fence especially in his era that saw the ending of slavery and the rise of jim crow. For him to marry a white woman while black men were being lynched for LOOKING at a white bitch is kinda in their eyes.

Your response actually bolsters my side in that taking issue with it is an arbitrary thing since youre willing to give passes under certain circumstances..

At 45 i dont think she was of child bearing age.. Certainly not in that era. But the more important fact is that she did not. The union was not of that nature. I just am of the opinion that there should be a distinctly drawn between that and what he spirit of the thread attempts to discuss. The implication is pro blacks forgoing unions and relationships with black women to mate/partner with non blacks. Douglas doesnt fit that mold. It isnt about providing a pass based on circumstance. Its about a honest assessment and determination that he isnt a member of the targeted class of individual.

 

[geechiedan]

At 45 i dont think she was of child bearing age.. Certainly not in that era. But the more important fact is that she did not. The union was not of that nature. I just am of the opinion that there should be a distinctly drawn between that and what he spirit of the thread attempts to discuss. The implication is pro blacks forgoing unions and relationships with black women to mate/partner with non blacks. Douglas doesnt fit that mold. It isnt about providing a pass based on circumstance. Its about a honest assessment and determination that he isnt a member of the targeted class of individual.

what are you a fucking obstetrician now ?? Do you know know how resilient the human body is? Sure mortality rates were high but that doesn't mean it was like in every case.

In any case the spirit of the topic is how can a black man be pro black and marry outside of his race PERIOD. You have to get together first before you have kids and the sheer fact that black man who said,

“A man who will enslave his own blood, may not be safely relied on for magnanimity.”

“The white man's happiness cannot be purchased by the black man's misery.”

can then couple with a member of that group is untolerable under ANY circumstances for many people here.. exactly 62.1% of people here

 

[Amajorfucup]

are you a fucking obstetrician?? Do you know know how resilient the human body is? Sure mortality rates were high but that doesn't it was like in every case

Fuck does resiliency have to do with biology, hormones, and reality? And regardless, its immaterial as the matter never came to pass.

In any case the spirit of the topic is how can a black man be pro black and marry outside of his race PERIOD. You have to get together first before you have kids and the sheer fact that black man who said,

Nuance exists. And not acknowledging that and drawing obvious distinctions is important. Grouping him with those others invalidates any point you attempt to make.

 

[geechiedan]

Fuck does resiliency have to do with biology, hormones, and reality? And regardless, its immaterial as the matter never came to pass.


Nuance exists. And not acknowledging that and drawing obvious distinctions is important. Grouping him with those others invalidates any point you attempt to make.

actually we have similar points...you give him a pass because he was old..I say it doesn't matter at all at any point. He did what he did for the black community and who he falls in love with and builds a life with doesn't negate or color it at all.

 

[Amajorfucup]

actually we have similar points...you give him a pass because he was old..I say it doesn't matter at all at any point. He did what he did for the black community and who he falls in love with and builds a life with doesn't negate or color it at all.

Well no not really. Im not giving a pass. Im saying he doesnt fall into the target demographic based on the facts i presented.

Further, i do think it matters who you build with. Certainly if you take a public stance against white supremacy and for black unity. I think marrying outside the race is counter to those ideals.

 

[geechiedan]

Well no not really. Im not giving a pass. Im saying he doesnt fall into the target demographic based on the facts i presented.

Further, i do think it matters who you build with. Certainly if you take a public stance against white supremacy and for black unity. I think marrying outside the race is counter to those ideals.

the nuance your looking for is one YOU want to insert in it..the question is pretty straight forward.

 

[Amajorfucup]

the nuance your looking for is one YOU want to insert in it..the question is pretty straight forward.

You may be right. I disagree. I think it exists objectively. And i believe throwing Douglas in the fold as your go to shows a weak knowledge base and no understanding of context.

 

[geechiedan]

You may be right. I disagree. I think it exists objectively. And i believe throwing Douglas in the fold as your go to shows a weak knowledge base and no understanding of context.

your context:

he's old
the white bitch was barren
he was married to a black woman for 50 years before
he had 5 black kids

but here's the context in his lifetime:

The Washington Grit called the marriage “a national calamity” and “the mistake of his life.” Others considered his choice to be that of a dotty, old man who had rejected his race. The groom’s children never hid their disdain for his new wife, believing the marriage betrayed their late mother, Anna, who was black. His daughter-in-law even sued him. The bride’s sisters and mothers embraced her new husband, but her father and uncle never accepted that a black man they once admired had joined the family. One of her old classmates at Mt. Holyoke simply exclaimed, “How could she?”

all this is AFTER:

he's old
the white bitch was barren
he was married to a black woman for 50 years before
he had 5 black kids

if thats the reaction in that time how can you say its not up for debate today?

 

[Amajorfucup]

your context:

he's old
the white bitch was barren
he was married to a black woman for 50 years before
he had 5 black kids

but here's the context in his lifetime:

The Washington Grit called the marriage “a national calamity” and “the mistake of his life.” Others considered his choice to be that of a dotty, old man who had rejected his race. The groom’s children never hid their disdain for his new wife, believing the marriage betrayed their late mother, Anna, who was black. His daughter-in-law even sued him. The bride’s sisters and mothers embraced her new husband, but her father and uncle never accepted that a black man they once admired had joined the family. One of her old classmates at Mt. Holyoke simply exclaimed, “How could she?”

all this is AFTER:

he's old
the white bitch was barren
he was married to a black woman for 50 years before
he had 5 black kids

if thats the reaction in that time how can you say its not up for debate today?

How is any of that surprising given national climate and parties involved?? Im not sure your point. I never said their union met no criticism then or now... In fact, i say what i say because of it. And i feel the need to point out the distinction to those who apparently dont know it. He should not be grouped with men who married and started families with non blacks in their physical prime. The implication is that those men selected non black women to mate with over their black counterpart. That simply doesnt apple with Douglas.

 

[Chitownheadbusa]

Does a Non-Black spouse negate a Pro-Black message?


It doesnt have too. But a lot of times it does because of the mentality of the person whos PURPOSELY seeks a interracial relationship.

 

[geechiedan]

How is any of that surprising given national climate and parties involved?? Im not sure your point. I never said their union met no criticism then or now... In fact, i say what i say because of it. And i feel the need to point out the distinction to those who apparently dont know it. He should not be grouped with men who married and started families with non blacks in their physical prime. The implication is that those men selected non black women to mate with over their black counterpart. That simply doesnt apple with Douglas.

thats a nuance and context YOU created for this.. Many black people then and now look at it in absolutes.

You do not fuck with white woman at no time.
No pork on the fork for the brothas..no swine on the line for the brothas..
You don't fuck with the other white meat PERIOD.

Doesn't matter he had full black family before her..doesn't matter he's old enough to shoot dust and she's got tumbleweeds in her uterus..as long as white supremacy exists and we live under it then fucking with white bitches is a bad look to the community.

so goes the argument.

 

[Amajorfucup]

thats a nuance and context YOU created for this.. Many black people then and now look at it in absolutes.

You do not fuck with white woman at no time.
No pork on the fork for the brothas..no swine on the line for the brothas..
You don't fuck with the other white meat PERIOD.

Doesn't matter he had full black family before her..doesn't matter he's old enough to shoot dust and she's got tumbleweeds in her uterus..as long as white supremacy exists and we live under it then fucking with white bitches is a bad look to the community.

so goes the argument.

Gotcha. Well needless to say, I strongly disagree with those folk here.

 

[desideratum]

The blackie hate whitie on this thread is hysterical. So preoccupied with hating and the ingrained conspiracy theories of whites. The calories you waste in the perpetual loonie fukakhan world ur in would actually be better used having u run in a squirrel cage generating electricity

Again , if u didn't have, which you don't, white people to blame for problems how would you spend ur time.

 

[Sampson]

The blackie hate whitie on this thread is hysterical. So preoccupied with hating and the ingrained conspiracy theories of whites. The calories you waste in the perpetual loonie fukakhan world ur in would actually be better used having u run in a squirrel cage generating electricity

Again , if u didn't have, which you don't, white people to blame for problems how would you spend ur time.

Sleeper cell activated.

 

[crackheadlou]

Yes, next question.