Bernie Sanders Is Currently Winning the Democratic Primary Race, and I’ll Prove It to You

[BKF]

That's just pure stupidity!! Keep lining up for your massa!!

Who's masse? Hillary or Bernie?

 

[Art Vandelay]

Peace,

The point of the article is that Hillary and Sanders are essentially even (with Sanders slightly ahead) once the votes are counted for people who have heard from both candidates. Hillary is winning this thing on name recognition and nothing else. The very fact that Sanders has managed to beat her in some states should speak volumes to those of us who are listening.

The major flaw in the article is that it somehow puts forth the fact that Clinton is doing a better job of campaigning for early votes as an inherent and unique advantage. Sanders has done a fantastic job of fundraising and could have done a better job contesting for those early votes. To ignore this and dismiss those as "uncontested votes" is just silly IMO.

I love his message and personally support him over Clinton by leaps and bounds but her 08 experience and staff filled with Clinton and Obama staff from those battles is something she has used to build a smarter campaign. It's amazing Obama was able to assemble a team that outsmarted the Clintons at 08 but its not really reasonable to expect Sanders to pull that off against Clinton's 2016 voltron with the best of both worlds in 2008. So the success of the Sanders campaign despite that is something to marvel at. But early votes matter just as much as those cast on election day and the Sanders campaign has competed for those to varying degrees-- In states where they thought they had a chance, they fought harder earlier. None of these votes was truly uncontested. And I think the idea of going into a convention and arguing that some votes matter more than others could set a really bad precedent.

 

[Art Vandelay]

I am not the biggest Hillary fan but lets be real.....its over for Sanders.

This maybe the last good day Sanders May have

Apr 5
Wisconsin · 86 delegates Hillary
Apr 9
Wyoming · 14 delegates Sanders
Apr 19
New York · 247 delegates Hillary (landside)
Apr 26
Connecticut · 55 delegates Sanders
Delaware · 21 delegates Hillary
Maryland · 95 delegates Hillary
Rhode Island · 24 delegates Sanders
Pennsylvania · 189 delegates Hillary (landside)

You could be wrong about New York...

 

[easy_b]

The major flaw in the article is that it somehow puts forth the fact that Clinton is doing a better job of campaigning for early votes as an inherent and unique advantage. Sanders has done a fantastic job of fundraising and could have done a better job contesting for those early votes. To ignore this and dismiss those as "uncontested votes" is just silly IMO.

I love his message and personally support him over Clinton by leaps and bounds but her 08 experience and staff filled with Clinton and Obama staff from those battles is something she has used to build a smarter campaign. It's amazing Obama was able to assemble a team that outsmarted the Clintons at 08 but its not really reasonable to expect Sanders to pull that off against Clinton's 2016 voltron with the best of both worlds in 2008. So the success of the Sanders campaign despite that is something to marvel at. But early votes matter just as much as those cast on election day and the Sanders campaign has competed for those to varying degrees-- In states where they thought they had a chance, they fought harder earlier. None of these votes was truly uncontested. And I think the idea of going into a convention and arguing that some votes matter more than others could set a really bad precedent.

Sanders is kind of in the same position Hillary was in 8 years ago against Obama. This time tho Hillary is a much better candidate now then 2008 (thanks to some of Obama people)

 

[easy_b]

You could be wrong about New York...

Keep in mind the black and Latino vote and also the liberals in NY and are not like the liberals in the Northwest ...that why i said its going to be a land side

 

[Art Vandelay]

Keep in mind the black and Latino vote and also the liberals in NY and are not like the liberals in the Northwest ...that why i said its going to be a land side

The most recent poll has Clinton +48... I think it could be a big surprise state and within 20 for Sanders is doable. Even single digits in a best case scenario. We'll see...

 

[ballscout1]

We know Hillary's dirt but Sanders may have some shit on him that can blow up in everyone's face

Sure that is true but we can go back to speeches he has made 20 30 years ago and he is still consistent. So far the dirt is only make-believe outrage and created issues.

As you said we know Hillary's dirt and maybe Sanders has some.....

 

[easy_b]

The most recent poll has Clinton +48... I think it could be a big surprise state and within 20 for Sanders is doable. Even single digits in a best case scenario. We'll see...

I meet you half way she wins by 20 points...I think the nail is in the coffin already for Sander But the NY race would put a few more nails in

 

[ballscout1]

Keep in mind the black and Latino vote and also the liberals in NY and are not like the liberals in the Northwest ...that why i said its going to be a land side

Are the liberals really that different ? Wasn't the occupy wall street movement started in the east and who do you think they will ride with ?

But I will agree the black and latino vote is far different in the east than they are in the south.

 

[ballscout1]

Sanders is kind of in the same position Hillary was in 8 years ago against Obama. This time tho Hillary is a much better candidate now then 2008 (thanks to some of Obama people)

Bullshit.....8 years ago Hillary was the establishment nominee and Obama was the unknown rookie senator. Hillary was the front runner so no way is your comparison valid

Hillary had all the superdelegates then too but as Obama started to win states those same super delegates started to jump off her ship onto his...Since super delegates are not elected voters their support is not solid and can be switched even at the convention.

So in reality Sanders is more in the position that Obama was in 8 years ago.

 

[easy_b]

Bullshit.....8 years ago Hillary was the establishment nominee and Obama was the unknown rookie senator. Hillary was the front runner so no way is your comparison valid

Hillary had all the superdelegates then too but as Obama started to win states those same super delegates started to jump off her ship onto his...Since super delegates are not elected voters their support is not solid and can be switched even at the convention.

So in reality Sanders is more in the position that Obama was in 8 years ago.

This time 8 years ago Obama was in the lead

 

[ballscout1]

This time 8 years ago Obama was in the lead

I don't know when he took the lead but that is irrelevant really. I was talking about their positions when the campaign started

I do know in late 2007 Clinton still had a double-digit lead and Obama didn't clinch the nomination until June.

Here is a map of what they each won...Clinton is gold and Obama is Purple

Obama announced his candidacy at the Old State Capitol building, where Abraham Lincoln delivered his "House Divided" speech in 1858. Obama was the main challenger, along with John Edwards, to Democratic Party Front-runner Hillary Rodham Clinton for much of 2007. His initial victory in the Iowa caucus helped bring him to national prominence from a crowded field of Democratic challengers, and his campaign began to trade a series of hard-fought state wins with expected frontunner Clinton in January, a trend that continued through Super Tuesday, in which Obama had great success in large rural states and Clinton was nearly as dominant in high-population coastal areas. Obama continued to have remarkable fundraising and electoral success in February, winning all 11 state and territorial-level contests after Super Tuesday and "chipping away" at Clinton's core supporters in key states. Obama won the Vermont primary, however ended up losing Ohio and Rhode Islandthus losing six delegates of his lead. Obama then won the Wyoming caucus and Mississippi primary and later lost the Pennsylvania primary.

After Obama won the North Carolina primary and narrowly lost the Indiana primary, superdelegates began to endorse Obama in greater numbers. Despite losingWest Virginia and Kentucky by wide margins, Obama's win in Oregon gave him an absolute majority of the pledged delegates, and he maintained that majority after the full delegations of Florida and Michigan were seated at half voting strength by a May 31 Democratic National Committee ruling. After a rush of support for Obama from superdelegates on June 3, the day of the final primary contests of Montana and South Dakota, Obama was estimated to surpass the 2,118 delegates required

 

[easy_b]

I don't know when he took the lead but that is irrelevant really. I was talking about their positions when the campaign started

I do know in late 2007 Clinton still had a double-digit lead and Obama didn't clinch the nomination until June.

Here is a map of what they each won...Clinton is gold and Obama is Purple

You just proved my point that this race is over for Sanders Hillary won all of Obama's southern state and still kept FL.

 

[ballscout1]

You just proved my point that this race is over for Sanders

No sir....if you take away the super delegates the race is closer. Did you not see that the super delegates didn't rush over to Obama until June..

The bottom line is Hillary is a very flawed candidate and won't be less flawed if she gets the nomination. And unless she does something to dramatically improve her favorability she may have trouble in the general.

 

[easy_b]

No sir....if you take away the super delegates the race is closer. Did you not see that the super delegates didn't rush over to Obama until June..

The bottom line is Hillary is a very flawed candidate and won't be less flawed if she gets the nomination. And unless she does something to dramatically improve her favorability she may have trouble in the general.

you are right about Hillary's favorability but compared to trump she is light years ahead.....If the GOP would have ran a moderate then I would be a little worried but they didn't so its Hillary by default. Also Hillary can pick off a few more conservative women from the GOP

 

[ballscout1]

You just proved my point that this race is over for Sanders Hillary won all of Obama's southern state and still kept FL.

actually Obama passed Clinton in march of 2008 so the race is by no means over for Sanders...He is actually a week or so behind Obama in 2008.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...s/democratic_presidential_nomination-191.html


I couldn't post the graph..

 

[ballscout1]

you are right about Hillary's favorability but compared to trump she is light years ahead.....If the GOP would have ran a moderate then I would be a little worried but they didn't so its Hillary by default. Also Hillary can pick off a few more conservative women from the GOP

That is conventional wisdom but.....Trump has been able to energize his followers and Clinton really hasn't.

In fact I have said over and over that I think either Sanders or Clinton wins against the GOP as long as they get turnout.

In fact polls say that Sanders beat any of the three GOP candidates more handily that Clinton would.

Sanders also pointed to a series of national polls that show him consistently doing better than Clinton against Donald Trump, Ted Cruz or Ohio governor John Kasich -- the three Republicans who remain in the hunt for their party's nomination

 

[easy_b]

actually Obama passed Clinton in march of 2008 so the race is by no means over for Sanders...He is actually a week or so behind Obama in 2008.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...s/democratic_presidential_nomination-191.html


I couldn't post the graph..

So whats is Sanders path?????

Apr 5
Wisconsin · 86 delegates Hillary (really close tho)
Apr 9
Wyoming · 14 delegates Sanders
Apr 19
New York · 247 delegates Hillary (landside)
Apr 26
Connecticut · 55 delegates Sanders
Delaware · 21 delegates Hillary
Maryland · 95 delegates Hillary
Rhode Island · 24 delegates Sanders
Pennsylvania · 189 delegates Hillary (landside)

 

[easy_b]

That is conventional wisdom but.....Trump has been able to energize his followers and Clinton really hasn't.

In fact I have said over and over that I think either Sanders or Clinton wins against the GOP as long as they get turnout.

In fact polls say that Sanders beat any of the three GOP candidates more handily that Clinton would.

the polls the was showing Hillary having a hard time wining was almost two months ago...now she is beating trump and Cruz by a very good margin (they fighting over who wife looks the best is really helping Hillary). She would get about 20-30% of the non trump republican vote

 

[Art Vandelay]

I meet you half way she wins by 20 points...I think the nail is in the coffin already for Sander But the NY race would put a few more nails in

I agree he can't win this election. I think it's still good for him to stay in and fight for his ideas and the movement. It's bigger than this election. Sanders is already talking about "if I can't make it" and has demonstrated he knows he can't win on several occasions, though he obviously can't say that.

This is no nail in the coffin. He's 2Pac and this is just a fifth bullet-- He'll be back. Not him personally as a presidential candidate because he's 74 but his influence. He's won a majority of voters 45 and under in many contests and the vast majority of voters under 30. He recognizes that the future of the Democratic party is what he represents and he's not just fighting for 2016, so he's not in any coffin, much less nailed in.

 

[easy_b]

I agree he can't win this election. I think it's still good for him to stay in and fight for his ideas and the movement. It's bigger than this election. Sanders is already talking about "if I can't make it" and has demonstrated he knows he can't win on several occasions, though he obviously can't say that.

This is no nail in the coffin. He's 2Pac and this is just a fifth bullet-- He'll be back. Not him personally as a presidential candidate because he's 74 but his influence. He's won a majority of voters 45 and under in many contests and the vast majority of voters under 30. He recognizes that the future of the Democratic party is what he represents and he's not just fighting for 2016, so he's not in any coffin, much less nailed in.

I agree......i say the race is over but i never said he should drop out(tho after April if he is still 200+ delegates behind he should drop out)

 

[BKF]

I agree he can't win this election. I think it's still good for him to stay in and fight for his ideas and the movement. It's bigger than this election. Sanders is already talking about "if I can't make it" and has demonstrated he knows he can't win on several occasions, though he obviously can't say that.

This is no nail in the coffin. He's 2Pac and this is just a fifth bullet-- He'll be back. Not him personally as a presidential candidate because he's 74 but his influence. He's won a majority of voters 45 and under in many contests and the vast majority of voters under 30. He recognizes that the future of the Democratic party is what he represents and he's not just fighting for 2016, so he's not in any coffin, much less nailed in.

We shall see if the youth come out in great enough numbers in this and future elections. To prove your statement true.

 

[FLoss]

 

[Watcher]

Not even close

Colorado Republican State Sen. Vicki Marble put her racism on full display when she claimed at a public hearing that poverty is caused by black people eating too much fried chicken.

http://www.politicususa.com/2013/08...overty-black-people-eating-fried-chicken.html

http://gawker.com/5976825/house-rep...lantation-to-practice-talking-to-black-people

 

[Watcher]

Not Kincannon, the former executive director of the South Carolina Republican Party.He spent game time tweeting hateful messages about black people and the poor.

 

[Watcher]

still not close

 

[Watcher]

 

[Dr. Truth]

Not Kincannon, the former executive director of the South Carolina Republican Party.He spent game time tweeting hateful messages about black people and the poor.

Wtf. This guy needs a shot gun unloaded in his face.

 

[Watcher]

Did you have your head in the sand the last 7 years?

One of the right-wing’s most popular bloggers asked one of the most important questions of the new year, “How in hell does someone go to a David Duke sponsored event in 2002 and not know it is white supremacist?” Indeed.

That is the lame excuse Republican Congressional leader (third in the leadership) is trying to peddle as a reason he spoke to a David Duke event in 2002.

In 2002 David Duke was well known as a professional racist and sometime Nazi. He had been an Imperial Grand Wizard in the Ku Klux Klan and a neo-Nazi leader.

Duke had run for governor in 1992 and made national news. Rev. James Orange and I had led a caravan of 50 union activists from Atlanta to New Orleans to help get out the vote against Duke.

By 2002 even the most casual observer of Louisiana knew who David Duke was and what he stood for.

Steve Scalise is lying. In 2002 he knew he was going to speak to racists, Klansmen, and Nazis. He went because the Southern Republican Party had been working to turn itself into the party of racists.

Richard Nixon and Lee Atwater even had a name for it–the Southern Strategy.

I spent 25 years on the frontline of the organized racism that took over the Southern Republican Party–the fights over state flags, minority jobs, affirmative action, voting rights, get out the vote efforts, and campaigns to elect African-Americans to office.

I lived it. Scalise is lying and so is the Radical Right-wing Republican Party. More to come.

 

[ballscout1]

So why is a thread about Bernie Sanders being flooded with shit about Republicans ?

Poor Watcher can't extoll the virtues of Clinton so his strategy is look see she is better than the republicans.



Sure is a low bar to set

 

[Watcher]

So why is a thread about Bernie Sanders being flooded with shit about Republicans ?

Poor Watcher can't extoll the virtues of Clinton so his strategy is look see she is better than the republicans.



Sure is a low bar to set

Someone said republicans are no different from democrats. I'm showing how ignorant that belief is.

And of course that has your feathers ruffled..no surprise.

 

[Watcher]

So why is a thread about Bernie Sanders being flooded with shit about Republicans ?

Poor Watcher can't extoll the virtues of Clinton so his strategy is look see she is better than the republicans.



Sure is a low bar to set

You want Bernie?
Uh oh....

Bernie Sanders: Republican Base Is ‘Absolutely’ Racist

“There was an effort to delegitimize the president … do I think in some parts of that Republican base there’s racism involved? Absolutely,” he said.

“Nobody has asked for my birth certificate. Maybe it’s the color of my skin,” Sanders said, referring to the birther movement that questioned President Barack Obama’s natural-born status in the United States.

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2016/02/sanders-obama-racism-birther-trump
Watch Bernie Sanders Go After Obama's Opponents in this Passionate Rebuttal of Racism

By the way, I am appalled, people can agree with Barack Obama, you can disagree with Barack Obama, but anybody who doesn't understand that the kind of obstructionism and hatred thrown at this man, the idea of making him a delegitimate president by suggesting he was not born in America because his dad came from Kenya—no one asked me. I'm a citizen and my father came from Poland. Gee, what's the difference? Maybe the color of our skin... All of us together have got to say no to xenophobia and to racism and to bigotry of all forms.

 

[ballscout1]

Someone said republicans are no different from democrats. I'm showing how ignorant that belief is.

And of course that has your feathers ruffled..no surprise.

My feathers are ruffled because this isn't the thread for that..

You should just thank whoever you pray to that the GOP has Tea party wingnuts fighting for their nomination..

 

[Watcher]

So why is a thread about Bernie Sanders being flooded with shit about Republicans ?

Poor Watcher can't extoll the virtues of Clinton so his strategy is look see she is better than the republicans.



Sure is a low bar to set

Sanders stands with Obama on SCOTUS replacement, calls GOP opposition 'racist'.



http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/...COTUS-replacement-calls-GOP-opposition-racist

 

[ballscout1]

You want Bernie?
Uh oh....

Bernie Sanders: Republican Base Is ‘Absolutely’ Racist

“There was an effort to delegitimize the president … do I think in some parts of that Republican base there’s racism involved? Absolutely,” he said.

“Nobody has asked for my birth certificate. Maybe it’s the color of my skin,” Sanders said, referring to the birther movement that questioned President Barack Obama’s natural-born status in the United States.

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2016/02/sanders-obama-racism-birther-trump
Watch Bernie Sanders Go After Obama's Opponents in this Passionate Rebuttal of Racism

By the way, I am appalled, people can agree with Barack Obama, you can disagree with Barack Obama, but anybody who doesn't understand that the kind of obstructionism and hatred thrown at this man, the idea of making him a delegitimate president by suggesting he was not born in America because his dad came from Kenya—no one asked me. I'm a citizen and my father came from Poland. Gee, what's the difference? Maybe the color of our skin... All of us together have got to say no to xenophobia and to racism and to bigotry of all forms.

Sanders stands with Obama on SCOTUS replacement, calls GOP opposition 'racist'.



http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/...COTUS-replacement-calls-GOP-opposition-racist

He also said he is against the death penalty