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i am SURE we are going to see gus eventually.
yeah - but until then, all of the Salamancas are going to be fun!
Not the jimmy i been watching. From what we've seen of jimmy he doesnt hustle for the money but for the rush and excitement. Thats why he is miserable in the epilogue as the cinnabon manager. He has money but is miserable. That's why hustled that investor with kim in the season premiere.
I have a hard time believing jimmy stole 14k from his old man. I'm sure there is more to the story.
I was thinking the same thing, then did the math, 3 yrs is roughly 1k days, so 14k could of be possible if he was taking $20 out the til at least 5 days a week to make about $100 a week. But I just don't think Jimmy would do that, who knows.
And chuck would to prove that how?
My guess is he saw what he wanted to see.
His dad who described as a saint could've been taking money or letting shit slide with owing him or not paying for merchandise
but of course. we may hear more of that later or Saul's version. But look at how much money he has had in his possesion in Breaking Bad and he just takes his raping fees but always keeps people's money safe. He's a con but don't think he would con his dad or brother.
I agree. There's nothing in Jimmy's character we've seen thus far that would indicate he outright steal money like that (especially from his family). I do agree there's probably more to the story. Maybe Jimmy was paying off someone in a protection scheme or something like that. In fact, it's possible Jimmy owed someone the money and his pops knew about it and just didn't want to tell Chuck about it.
Jimmy may be a crook, but he is extremely loyal. We have never seen him rip off a family member, friend, or client. Also Skimming and scamming are two completely different hustles. Skimming plays on a mark's complacency while scamming plays on a mark's greed. Jimmy is a scammer.
That being said, IF Jimmy had been skimming his dad would be weak if he let him get away with it. You don't let your whole family suffer because one member wants a quick buck. Regardless, you take some damn business classes if you want to buy a business. You don't set out on a wing and a prayer and let everyone else suffer when you fall.
If I'm not mistaken, this was just when they were kids, long time before chuck was even a lawyer. So I wouldn't think anything like that.
Vince Gilliam must have contempt for women. The female characters in this universe are insufferable (especially that 2nd year associate)
Kim is a hustler, but Howard gives no fuck
Chuck's story about his father is subjective. Whenever you put a person on a pedestal you're blinded to their "humanity" and flaws. I'm convinced their father had a darker side Chuck refused to see... Jimmy saw it though.
Tio !!!
Kim is a hustler, but Howard gives no fuck
Chuck's story about his father is subjective. Whenever you put a person on a pedestal you're blinded to their "humanity" and flaws. I'm convinced their father had a darker side Chuck refused to see... Jimmy saw it though.
Tio !!!
‘Better Call Saul’ Renewed For Third Season At AMC
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Why Better Call Saul Is the Anti–Breaking Bad
Hector (Mark Margolis), who is disabled in Breaking Bad but appeared at the end of this week’s episode in comparatively decent health.
But the show’s other key players could slough off their mortal coils at any moment: Tuco’s disloyal lieutenant Ignacio “Nacho” Varga (Michael Mando); Jimmy’s law-firm colleague and sometime squeeze Kim Wexler (Rhea Seehorn); Jimmy’s disapproving older brother Chuck (Michael McKean), who suffers from electromagnetic hypersensitivity. The overall effect is curiously like watching Boardwalk Empire, Deadwood or some other series that mixes historical personages and invented characters: You enjoy watching Al Capone or Calamity Jane chew scenery, secure in the knowledge that the writers aren’t going to go all ahistorical on you, while tensing up whenever a Chalky White or Joanie Stubbs gets threatened.
All this allows Saul to work in a different key (minor) and a different mode (something like mid-period Elmore Leonard or The Friends of Eddie Coyle; or on television, Justified or Terriers or The Rockford Files). Characters are periodically threatened with fatal violence, but it's more about what it does to them psychologically or the character shadings the threat reveals than the possibility that they might die — take when Jimmy fast-talks his way out of an execution or Mike declines to kill Tuco at Nacho's urging, and instead contrives an altercation that sends Tuco to prison on assault and weapons charges (putting him out of commission until the Breaking Bad timeline, presumably). A lot of the show is dedicated problem-solving, not on the high-octane level that we used to see Walter White operate on, but on a more earthbound plane.
If anything, Gilligan, series co-creator Peter Gould (a Bad alumnus), and their collaborators have turned the heat down in season two. Any given episode is likely to contain maybe eight to ten full scenes and a montage or two, and these always go on a bit longer than you expect, longer than TV drama's norm — three minutes, five, more — the better to let you join the characters in whatever room they happen to inhabit, examine every reaction and spoken word, and notice their positions in frames that are often comprised of half to three-quarters darkness.
Money, status, satisfaction, and the possibility of behaving ethically in an unethical world are always at the heart of the characters' choices. Jimmy wants his brother's respect and to be able to look at himself in the mirror without guilt, but he also wants fame and money. The legitimate do-gooder side of him is forever in conflict with the con man side, which flares up in a manner akin to an alcoholic's urge to drink (Chuck's comparison). Mike wants to protect his daughter-in-law and granddaughter and make a new start for himself with the brutal skill set that's all he has left after leaving the force. Mike's deadpan interactions with the local underworld (he's like a cross between Droopy the Dog and the Terminator) alternate with Jimmy's adventures in the white-collar world of Albuquerque civil law. The bifurcation is often jarring and a little weird, as if somebody had spliced together episodes of Breaking Bad and Thirtysomething.
But it works because we have such affection for this world and these characters, and because every character struggle is ultimately about self-discovery, affirmation, and the unrelenting difficulty of surviving in a brutal, 21st-century economy. Even if you don't have to kill somebody to make rent, you might have to crawl around in a dumpster looking for documents or travel to Texas to solicit class-action-lawsuit clients on a retirement-home bus. At this point the show feels more like an assured and eccentric spin-off than an entirely separate achievement, but we're only halfway through season two, and the patience evidenced by Gilligan and company suggests it would be unwise to assume we know what cards the writers have up their sleeve, much less how they will play them.
Hector (Mark Margolis), who is disabled in Breaking Bad but appeared at the end of this week’s episode in comparatively decent health.
But the show’s other key players could slough off their mortal coils at any moment: Tuco’s disloyal lieutenant Ignacio “Nacho” Varga (Michael Mando); Jimmy’s law-firm colleague and sometime squeeze Kim Wexler (Rhea Seehorn); Jimmy’s disapproving older brother Chuck (Michael McKean), who suffers from electromagnetic hypersensitivity. The overall effect is curiously like watching Boardwalk Empire, Deadwood or some other series that mixes historical personages and invented characters: You enjoy watching Al Capone or Calamity Jane chew scenery, secure in the knowledge that the writers aren’t going to go all ahistorical on you, while tensing up whenever a Chalky White or Joanie Stubbs gets threatened.
All this allows Saul to work in a different key (minor) and a different mode (something like mid-period Elmore Leonard or The Friends of Eddie Coyle; or on television, Justified or Terriers or The Rockford Files). Characters are periodically threatened with fatal violence, but it's more about what it does to them psychologically or the character shadings the threat reveals than the possibility that they might die — take when Jimmy fast-talks his way out of an execution or Mike declines to kill Tuco at Nacho's urging, and instead contrives an altercation that sends Tuco to prison on assault and weapons charges (putting him out of commission until the Breaking Bad timeline, presumably). A lot of the show is dedicated problem-solving, not on the high-octane level that we used to see Walter White operate on, but on a more earthbound plane.
If anything, Gilligan, series co-creator Peter Gould (a Bad alumnus), and their collaborators have turned the heat down in season two. Any given episode is likely to contain maybe eight to ten full scenes and a montage or two, and these always go on a bit longer than you expect, longer than TV drama's norm — three minutes, five, more — the better to let you join the characters in whatever room they happen to inhabit, examine every reaction and spoken word, and notice their positions in frames that are often comprised of half to three-quarters darkness.
Money, status, satisfaction, and the possibility of behaving ethically in an unethical world are always at the heart of the characters' choices. Jimmy wants his brother's respect and to be able to look at himself in the mirror without guilt, but he also wants fame and money. The legitimate do-gooder side of him is forever in conflict with the con man side, which flares up in a manner akin to an alcoholic's urge to drink (Chuck's comparison). Mike wants to protect his daughter-in-law and granddaughter and make a new start for himself with the brutal skill set that's all he has left after leaving the force. Mike's deadpan interactions with the local underworld (he's like a cross between Droopy the Dog and the Terminator) alternate with Jimmy's adventures in the white-collar world of Albuquerque civil law. The bifurcation is often jarring and a little weird, as if somebody had spliced together episodes of Breaking Bad and Thirtysomething.
But it works because we have such affection for this world and these characters, and because every character struggle is ultimately about self-discovery, affirmation, and the unrelenting difficulty of surviving in a brutal, 21st-century economy. Even if you don't have to kill somebody to make rent, you might have to crawl around in a dumpster looking for documents or travel to Texas to solicit class-action-lawsuit clients on a retirement-home bus. At this point the show feels more like an assured and eccentric spin-off than an entirely separate achievement, but we're only halfway through season two, and the patience evidenced by Gilligan and company suggests it would be unwise to assume we know what cards the writers have up their sleeve, much less how they will play them.
Dont pass judgement just yet young fella. Im sure theres more story to be told.
Dont pass judgement just yet young fella. Im sure theres more story to be told.
even if its in the middle its still despicable if you steal from your father imo. so itf it wasn't 10k and it was only 1k or 700 bucks...same thing to me
You are ON POINT...
what have we seen/heard from Chuck to make you believe he is telling ANYTHING NEAR the truth?
The flashback scene showed you all
Chuck has ALWAYS been jealous of his brother on ALL levels
Did you SEE his face when his wife laughed at all the jokes? Jokes DISPARAGING his life's goal? his NOBLE profession?
Chuck was AWAY at school we don't know all that is behind that he NEVER details his OWN relationship with his father...but stresses how much the father LOVED Jimmy and how Jimmy cried at his funeral. Chuck described his father as a FLAWLESS victim...the is very convenient isn't it?
Cause Chuck has crippled HIMSELF to be seen as a martyr from DAY ONE.
I feel real bad for Kim because we all have been there...she believed in someone and they let her down. But even with ALL her rightful rangreer and disappointment
UNLIKE Chuck she takes personal responsibility and handled her business
and who asks like a bitch? The men in her life.
Mike did mess up though..but it is showing you how MUCH he tried to be noble in a crooked profession, especially after what happened to his son.
And he he will do the same again...as we have seen.
GREAT points
I hate Chuck ...truly. And at times like last episode it just didn't work.
But I understand what they doing. They did the exact same thing with Skylar.
We are rooting for the bad guy again in Saul. And we project and sympathize to someone we have come to appreciate.
But Chuck aint clean he is petty jealous self absorbed duplicitous and has a SEVERE martyr complex
And damn it I'm starting to love to hate this guy.
DO NOT believe everything he saying. Like it was said earlier it is ALL perspective.
Watch the scene again and see how NERVOUS Jimmy is how deferential and respectful he TRIES to be with his brother afraid to even come into his house (wiping the feet), coming earlier (and Chuck being ANNOYED by it)
Its all perspective because through Jimmy's eyes he is trying to so hard to be GOOD for his brother.
But Chuck is just embarrassed...it shows more about Chuck's insecurities.
You saw that in bed the DISTANCE between him and his wifenow after cooking togther like a team...
his false interest in her work to build a connection after Jimmy was able to reel her in. He actually WANTS to be more like Jimmy hence the lawyer joke.
But it was a great sequence because it finally allowed you to connect with Chuck on another level, as the older brother brother carrying the screw up (we got a glipse of that last season) even AFTER their father's death...even though I suspect we are going to be hit with a twist.
We aint gonna see Saul till the end and so far I'm enjoying the ride..and it will have something to do with Kim.
About the aging...I actually don't even notice the writing and production are so top notch and I'm so familiar with everyone I'm cool with it.
yeah - I think Kim and Chuck are going to cause the birth of Saul and I have the feeling the process is going to destroy Hamlin Hamlin and McGill or at the very least Chuck and Kim
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why in the f*ck can't WE have a show like this?
White Dudes Behaving Badly every week and not ONE brother?
I loved/love the Sopranos, the Shield, Breaking bad, SOA, Ray Donovan, Mad Men, Banshee, Strike Back, The Affair etc...
I love good WRITING and ACTING more than anything..
but DAMN.
The Wire and Luthor and that's it, huh?
what we got Power? (which is great!)
but come on.
why in the f*ck can't WE have a show like this?
White Dudes Behaving Badly every week and not ONE brother?
I loved/love the Sopranos, the Shield, Breaking bad, SOA, Ray Donovan, Mad Men, Banshee, Strike Back, The Affair etc...
I love good WRITING and ACTING more than anything..
but DAMN.
The Wire and Luthor and that's it, huh?
what we got Power? (which is great!)
but come on.
I'm already preparing myself because it will be soul crushing...you already know.
I got to go back and re-watch Breaking Bad now...because I think we will find parallels between Walter/Skylar and Jimmy/Kim
Its ALL there. Like I mentioned earlier Maybe that is the real reason why Saul wanted to save Skylar despite everything with Walt.
Kim has become my favorite character, I completely understand her and root for her.
and she has the MOST honest reactions to all this fuckery surrounding her.
that scene when she says "I save me."
Every damn writer showrunner needs to see THAT is how you write woman black people etc...just make them real.
not subservient stereotypical hollow are idealized billboards...just real.
She was like you screwed me over but that aint the worst part..I allowed you to screw me over. I knew EXACTLY who and what you were and I did this to myself. And you aint catching me again. I don't hate you, I don't blame you I blame me. And someday we can be cool and hang out and hey maybe even get back together but I need to get MY shit straight first.
That is a woman you MARRY!
And they are showing you white men in all their forms...this show for people who work in an office ESPECIALLY corporate this a damn difficult show to watch cause its so ON POINT at times its painful.
Kim is a damn fool. She's one of those employees that think they can get promoted if they take enough shit. That NEVER works. All it gets you is more shit.
She's been demoted twice over relatively minor offenses and still dumb enough to ask if she has a future there? Does she honestly think they're going to tell her the truth? That she's only there to do the grunt work until she wises up and leaves?
Now that Jimmy won the kind of spot she's been craving she's mad that he won't act the way she would have acted. Jimmy peeped game from the very beginning tried to tell her but she won't listen.
Jimmy needs to break her off for the connection and then let her go off on her own to wallow in her fuckery
She's been demoted twice over relatively minor offenses and still dumb enough to ask if she has a future there? Does she honestly think they're going to tell her the truth? That she's only there to do the grunt work until she wises up and leaves?
Now that Jimmy won the kind of spot she's been craving she's mad that he won't act the way she would have acted. Jimmy peeped game from the very beginning tried to tell her but she won't listen.
Jimmy needs to break her off for the connection and then let her go off on her own to wallow in her fuckery
I think she's more mad because she vouched for him to Hamlin which led to Jimmy getting the spot. I don't think she much cared how shady Jimmy was when he was working on his own.
In the corporate legal field it's all about making partner and you do have to take a certain amount of shit before they put you on the partner track. But I agree she's probably already been thru that prior to the start of the show so she's is being a little bit naive here by killing herself to get back to where she already was.
She should just use all those contacts to get another gig.
that was my FIRST thought.
But I understand its not that simple for her.
She feels like she personally let down Hamlin who was always in her corner trying to get her to make partner and respected her as woman, treated her like an equal and she essentially betrayed him for Jimmy. Not deliberately but we have seen he was ALWAYS leery and weery of their relationship
and I think BECAUSE of Kim's support of Jimmy and Jimmy's skills (dirty and clean lawyering) he put his neck out and was rooting for them BOTH.
I think Hamlin feels not only betrayed but embarrassed and I would think he PROBABLY had some type of feelings for Kim.
Not necessarily romantic but a mix of brotherly mentor fatherly friendly affection.
So Kim NEEDED to prove to her Dad Brother Mentor that she is still GOOD.
He is angry and rightfully so, but it is an interesting juxtaposition to how Chuck deals with HIS feelings.
Hamlin's feelings for Jimmy are interesting too because he feels betrayed but also feels stupid because he EXPECTED it but had hoped he was able to FIX Jimmy...bring the FIRM the FAMILY back together and better than ever.
I used to dislike Hamlin but he is much more complicated and GOOD than then when we met him through JIMMY'S eyes
(that great POV thing another person mentioned)
that look to the side when talking about Kim with Chuck in the dark living room was great mysterious glimpse into the character...
what is he REALLY feeling and thinking? Is it about Kim? Jimmy? chuck? or HIMSELF?
Yeah, Hamlin is interesting. He's seems to admire Jimmy's work ethic (Jimmy Hustle) but I think he mostly views Jimmy only as means to ends of getting Chuck back into the fold. He doesn't seem to think what Chuck is doing to Jimmy is fair, but probably thinks Kim can do better for Jimmy.
Put me in the camp that Chuck is embellishing the truth as well. I thought him having that conversation with her at all was messed up. He was basically saying "My brother ain't shyt and never will be". On the other hand, Jimmy has always seemed to look out for his brother. Even when he was on the outs, he made sure his brother would be taken care of because of his "condition".
Ironically, he was talking about how flawed Jimmy was while you could hear the foil moving and crunching under his suit. Nice touch.
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Regarding Kim, I think she put the wrong person as the villian. Jimmy fucked up... this is true. But how you gonna punish someone else for his fuckups? She thought "putting her head down" and bring in clients would put her in their good graces. But they really don't seem to think as much of her as she believes. But she is so set on blaming Jimmy.
Ironically, he was talking about how flawed Jimmy was while you could hear the foil moving and crunching under his suit. Nice touch.
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Regarding Kim, I think she put the wrong person as the villian. Jimmy fucked up... this is true. But how you gonna punish someone else for his fuckups? She thought "putting her head down" and bring in clients would put her in their good graces. But they really don't seem to think as much of her as she believes. But she is so set on blaming Jimmy.
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