Hillary Clinton's Death Penalty Answer

Yeah they thought Earl Warren was in their pocket too and he became the most liberal justice on the court.

you also seem to think Obama won't get his nominee through and I do.

then you are assuming that two other liberals don't make it through 4 years.

that is a lot of maybes to use as the only reason to vote a certain way

There is literally no way in hell an Obama nominee will get confirmed. Republicans won't give up the courts, and any Republican voting for an Obama nominee will get an automatic primary and money against them.
 
There is literally no way in hell an Obama nominee will get confirmed. Republicans won't give up the courts, and any Republican voting for an Obama nominee will get an automatic primary and money against them.

That is definitely one train of thought but more and more GOP are saying not to obstruct.....doesn't mean they will confirm but they know they have more to lose by fighting the constitution.

He'll get one through.... too much time left in office
 
And to stop a law in Congress, all you need is one senator to Filibuster. Unless you get 60 votes in the Senate.

Reids bitch ass could have ended both of those things.

He could have taken that invisible filibuster away and made them actually stand and speak instead of just saying they call filibuster

He also could have gotten rid of the super majority and gone back to the simple majority but he is and was a bitch worrying aboiut not having those plans when they lost control.

but the GOP can still do either if they lose the white house.
 
Let's get this straight...you think a republican led Sepreme Court 6-3 wouldn't review every law passed by democrats? Now your just saying silly shit just to say it.


6-3 or 5-4 they are not reviewing every law passed....you seem to think they want to work for a living

and even if they do you have no idea how they will vote now that their hardline leader is gone.

even with him there Roberts has gone against the right multiple times.
 
What? Blasphemy. Begone you vile Trump supporter. :eek: ..... :lol2:

Well, that's how some people take it when you say something about Hillary. Some cats act like you talking about their mama.


Damn republicans......don't worry bout him

he's new to this...bless his lil heart

:lol::roflmao::roflmao2::roflmao3:
 
6-3 or 5-4 they are not reviewing every law passed....you seem to think they want to work for a living

and even if they do you have no idea how they will vote now that their hardline leader is gone.

even with him there Roberts has gone against the right multiple times.
Another deflection for the republicans

Supreme Court has the final say on all laws and as the republicans have proved from day 1 of Obama Presidency they will obstruct.
 
Have you had anyone close to you murdered and their killer got put to death ?

There is no closure. That is made up but there is never any closure in that case.

Now if you had a missing loved one, finally knowing if they are alive or dead can give closure.

Close. My sister's boyfriend slit her throat and left her for dead. He killed himself the next morning.

When I found out he was dead I felt relieved. The world is a better place now that he's gone. I know that there won't be any bullshit pleas for forgiveness or no half assed promises. Best of all he'll never hurt her again. Nobody in my family will catch a case trying to deal with his sorry ass once he leaves a cell.

This is the same relative peace and assurance I want murder victims families to feel.
 
Close. My sister's boyfriend slit her throat and left her for dead. He killed himself the next morning.

When I found out he was dead I felt relieved. The world is a better place now that he's gone. I know that there won't be any bullshit pleas for forgiveness or no half assed promises. Best of all he'll never hurt her again. Nobody in my family will catch a case trying to deal with his sorry ass once he leaves a cell.

This is the same relative peace and assurance I want murder victims families to feel.

Life with no parole insures the same thing.

Good thing your sister survivied...

Had she not you never would have had closure because her loss would not be relieved by anything, especially on holidays and birthdays. or in the case of a child weddings and other once in a lifetime events they will think of that parent never being able to participate in.
 
Another deflection for the republicans

Supreme Court has the final say on all laws and as the republicans have proved from day 1 of Obama Presidency they will obstruct.

what does them obstructing have to do with the point ? they obstruct legislation before they become law. and they can try to challenge a law and even in Obama's two terms many of those challenges have been ruled firvilous and have never made it out of the lower courts. Not all that have were taken up by SCOTUS.

you all over the place.

the SCOTUS does not and has never taken all reviews.

they do not have final say on all laws since they don't participate in passing laws.

cases that make it that far they can uphold or send back to a lower court or can decide.

and you have no way of knowing how they will decide those they take on so stop with the what might happen hysteria.

so just stop with the chicken little shit
 
Life with no parole insures the same thing.

Good thing your sister survivied...

Had she not you never would have had closure because her loss would not be relieved by anything, especially on holidays and birthdays. or in the case of a child weddings and other once in a lifetime events they will think of that parent never being able to participate in.

I disagree.

There was a man in my neighborhood named Clifford Olsen. He molested, tortured and killed about a dozen young boys. A real life Freddy Kruger. He was arrested, convicted and sentenced to life without parole because Canada doesn't have a death penalty.

While in jail he wrote several letters to his victims taunting them. He talked in graphic detail about how much he enjoyed killing. Ten years after his conviction Canada enacted a faint hope clause which allowed him to appeal his sentence. All of the parents of those slain children had to show up in court to make sure this monster stayed behind bars. Fortunately his appeal was denied and he's still behind bars.

Executing him won't bring those children back to life, but it would have prevented the parents from constantly having to relive such a horrible tragedy.
 
What? Blasphemy. Begone you vile Trump supporter. :eek: ..... :lol2:

Well, that's how some people take it when you say something about Hillary. Some cats act like you talking about their mama.
I do not support any of them including Mr. Bernie Sanders. You know why.
 
I disagree.

There was a man in my neighborhood named Clifford Olsen. He molested, tortured and killed about a dozen young boys. A real life Freddy Kruger. He was arrested, convicted and sentenced to life without parole because Canada doesn't have a death penalty.

While in jail he wrote several letters to his victims taunting them. He talked in graphic detail about how much he enjoyed killing. Ten years after his conviction Canada enacted a faint hope clause which allowed him to appeal his sentence. All of the parents of those slain children had to show up in court to make sure this monster stayed behind bars. Fortunately his appeal was denied and he's still behind bars.

Executing him won't bring those children back to life, but it would have prevented the parents from constantly having to relive such a horrible tragedy.

obviously you didn't see the sentence I said.

Canada is a different place.

In the US not only is incoming but outgoing mail is screened.

but I also said life without parole in a super max type facility where there is next to no human contact and that includes mail.

also life without parole there is no going to court to fight parole...

do you think those parents aren't reliving the tragedy every year on their childs birthday ?
 
To quote Bill Burr "they should just play the Harlem Globetrotters music when she answering questions"
 
obviously you didn't see the sentence I said.

Canada is a different place.

In the US not only is incoming but outgoing mail is screened.

but I also said life without parole in a super max type facility where there is next to no human contact and that includes mail.

also life without parole there is no going to court to fight parole...

do you think those parents aren't reliving the tragedy every year on their childs birthday ?

I'm sure they do relive those tragedies. Death is going to leave an emotional scar no matter how it happens. You just don't want a bunch of new wrinkles making it worse.
 
btw.....Hillary fence sitting ass talking about there are problems with the states but she has no problem with the feds...


Forty years ago, Bob Dylan reacted to the conviction of an innocent man bysinging that he couldn't help but feel ashamed "to live in a land where justice is a game." Over the ensuing decades, the criminal-justice system has improved in many significant ways. But shame is still an appropriate response to it, as theWashington Post made clear Saturday in an article that begins with a punch to the gut: "Nearly every examiner in an elite FBI forensic unit gave flawed testimony in almost all trials in which they offered evidence against criminal defendants over more than a two-decade period before 2000," the newspaper reported, adding that "the cases include those of 32 defendants sentenced to death."

The article notes that the admissions from the FBI and Department of Justice "confirm long-suspected problems with subjective, pattern-based forensic techniques—like hair and bite-mark comparisons—that have contributed to wrongful convictions in more than one-quarter of 329 DNA-exoneration cases since 1989."

That link points back to 2012 coverage of problems with FBI forensic analysis, but the existence of shoddy forensics has been so clear for so long in so many different state and local jurisdictions that the following conclusion is difficult to avoid: Neither police agencies nor prosecutors are willing to call for the sorts of reforms that would prevent many innocents from being wrongfully convicted and imprisoned, and neither the Republican nor the Democratic Party will force their hands.

Ignorance of the problem is no longer an acceptable excuse.

Among recent examples:

  • At a Massachusetts drug lab, a chemist was sent to prison after admittingthat she faked the results in perhaps tens of thousands of drug cases, calling into question thousands of drug convictions that ended with people in prison.
  • In St. Paul, Minnesota, an independent review of the crime lab found "major errors in almost every area of the lab's work, including the fingerprint and crime scene evidence processing that has continued after the lab's drug testing was stopped in July. The failures include sloppy documentation, dirty equipment, faulty techniques and ignorance of basic scientific procedures ...Lab employees even used Wikipedia as a 'technical reference' in at least one drug case ... The lab lacked any clean area designated for the review and collection of DNA evidence. The lab stored crime-scene photos on a computer that anyone could access without a password."
  • In Colorado, the Office of the Attorney General documented inadequate training and alarming lapses at a lab that measured the amount of alcohol in blood.
  • In Detroit, police shut down their crime laboratory "after an audit uncovered serious errors in numerous cases. The audit said sloppy work had probably resulted in wrongful convictions, and officials expect a wave of appeals ... auditors re-examined 200 randomly selected shooting cases and found serious errors in 19."
  • In Philadelphia, "three trace-evidence technicians have flunked a routine test administered to uphold the police crime lab’s accreditation, police brass announced Tuesday. Each technician tests hundreds of pieces of evidence a year for traces of blood and semen, so if investigators determine that the methods are problematic, it could throw countless court cases into question ... "
  • In North Carolina, "agents withheld exculpatory evidence or distorted evidence in more than 230 cases over a 16-year period. Three of those cases resulted in execution. There was widespread lying, corruption, and pressure from prosecutors and other law-enforcement officials on crime lab analysts to produce results that would help secure convictions. And the pressure worked."
That is a highly incomplete sample from just the last decade.


Go back a bit farther to 2004 and you'll find a New York Times report on major problems in a Texas metropolis:

The police crime laboratory in Houston, already reeling from a scandal that has led to retesting of evidence in 360 cases, now faces a much larger crisis that could involve many thousands of cases over 25 years. Six independent forensic scientists, in a report to be filed in a Houston state court today, said that a crime laboratory official—because he either lacked basic knowledge of blood typing or gave false testimony—helped convict an innocent man of rape in 1987.

The panel concluded that crime laboratory officials might have offered ''similarly false and scientifically unsound'' reports and testimony in other cases, and it called for a comprehensive audit spanning decades to re-examine the results of a broad array of rudimentary tests on blood, semen and other bodily fluids. Elizabeth A. Johnson, a former director of the DNA laboratory at the Harris County medical examiner's office in Houston, said the task would be daunting. ''A conservative number would probably be 5,000 to 10,000 cases,'' Dr. Johnson said. ''If you add in hair, it's off the board.''

There are many more horror stories in most every state.

In the face of this national scandal, two elected officials have distinguished themselves at the federal level: senators John Cornyn and Patrick Leahy (a former prosecutor), cosponsors of forensic reform legislation that offers significant improvements. In short, their bill would strengthen federal oversight of crime labs, invest in research into best practices, and provide a training and certification regime. But their bill doesn't go far enough, especially given the federal government's own problems with shoddy forensic science.

The most compelling reform agenda that I've come across was summarized seven years ago by Radley Balko, an investigative journalist with significant experience unmasking shoddy crime-scene analysis, and Roger Koppl, director of the Institute for Forensic Science Administration at Fairleigh Dickinson University. They focused on a huge conflict of interest at the core of the current system—the fact that forensic lab analysts often work for the police and prosecutors:

One major barrier to improving forensic evidence in criminal trials is that in most jurisdictions, the state has a monopoly on experts. Crime lab analysts and medical examiners (and to a lesser extent DNA technicians) typically work for the government and are generally seen as part of the prosecution's "team," much like the police and investigators. Yes, science is science, and it would be nice to believe that scientists will always get at the truth no matter whom they report to. But studies have consistently shown that even conscientious scientists can be affected by cognitive bias. A scientist whose job performance is evaluated by a senior official in the district attorney or state attorney general's office may feel subtle pressure to return results that produce convictions. In cases in which district attorneys' offices contract work out to private labs, the labs may feel pressure—even if it's not explicit (though sometimes it is)—to produce favorable results in order to continue the relationship.

Indeed, according to Business Insider, "In many jurisdictions, crime labs receive money for each conviction they contribute to, according to a 2013 study in the journal Criminal Justice Ethics. Statutes in Florida and North Carolina mandate that judges provide labs with remuneration “upon conviction” and only upon conviction. Alabama, Arizona, California, Missouri, Wisconsin, Tennessee, New Mexico, Kentucky, New Jersey, and Virginia are among the states with similar provisions."


Five specific reforms that Balko and Koppl urge are as follows:

Forensic counsel for the indigent. In many jurisdictions, indigent defendants aren't given access to their own forensic experts. As a result, the only expert witnesses are often testifying for the prosecution ... This undermines the whole adversarial basis of our criminal-justice system. Indigent defendants should be given vouchers to hire their own experts, who can review the forensic analysis and conclusions of each prosecution expert.

Expert independence. Crime labs, DNA labs, and medical examiners shouldn't serve under the same bureaucracy as district attorneys and police agencies. If these experts must work for the government, they should report to an independent state agency, if not the courts themselves. There should be a wall of separation between analysis and interpretation ... When the same expert performs both the analysis and interpretation, defense experts are often at a disadvantage, having to rely on the notes and photos of the same expert whose testimony they're disputing.

Rivalrous redundancy. Whether the state uses its own labs or contracts out to private labs, evidence should periodically and systematically be sent out to yet another competing lab for verification. The state's labs should be made aware that their work will occasionally be checked but not told when. In addition to helping discover errors that might otherwise go undetected, the introduction of competition to government labs would all but remove any subconscious incentive to appease police and prosecutors and would strengthen the incentive for a more objective analysis.

Statistical analysis. The results from forensic labs should be regularly analyzed for statistical anomalies. Labs producing unusually high match rates should throw up red flags for further examination. For example, in 2004 Houston medical examiner Patricia Moore was found to have diagnosed shaken-baby syndrome in infant autopsies at a rate several times higher than the national average. This led to an investigation—and the reopening of several convictions that had relied on Moore's testimony.

Mask the evidence. A 2006 U.K. study by researchers at the University of Southampton found that the error rate of fingerprint analysts doubled when they were first told the circumstances of the case they were working on. Crime lab technicians and medical examiners should never be permitted to consult with police or prosecutors before performing their analysis. A dramatic child-murder case, for example, may induce a greater subconscious bias to find a match than a burglary case. To the extent that it's possible, evidence should be stripped of all context before being sent to the lab. Ideally, state or city officials might hire a neutral "evidence shepherd," whose job would be to deliver crime-scene evidence to the labs and oversee the process of periodically sending evidence to secondary labs for verification.

As Senator Leahy said when issuing his own call for reform, improving the accuracy and reliability of forensics isn't just a worthy endeavor because it will prevent innocent people from being wrongly convicted and imprisoned—it is "a good investment that will lead to fewer trials and appeals and will reduce crime by ensuring that those who commit serious offenses are promptly captured and convicted."

But despite the fact that egregious problems have occurred in hundreds of crime labs throughout the U.S., affecting tens of thousands of cases or more, and perhaps even sending innocent men to their deaths, most police officials and prosecutors remain unwilling to acknowledge what we should now see clearly: They're incapable of running crime labs that reliably protect the innocent and identify the guilty, in large part because their conflicts of interest and biases are insurmountable.

Imagine what most prosecutors would say if, henceforth, crime lab analysts and medical examiners were to report to the most senior official in the relevant public defender's office. Yet they happily embrace the inverse and call it a justice system.

The results speak for themselves.
 
US admits FBI falsified evidence to obtain convictions
By Kate Randall
20 April 2015


The US Justice Department and FBI have formally acknowledged that over a more than two-decade period before 2000, nearly every FBI examiner gave flawed forensic hair testimony in almost all trials of criminal defendants reviewed so far, according to a report in the Washington Post.

The cases examined include those of 32 defendants sentenced to death, 14 of whom have been either executed or died in prison. The scandal raises the very real probability that innocent people have been sent to their deaths, and that many more wrongfully convicted are languishing on death rows across the US due to FBI analysts’ fraudulent testimony.

Testimony involving pattern-based forensic techniques—such as hair, bite-mark, and tire track comparisons—has contributed to wrongful convictions in more than a quarter of the 329 defendants’ cases that have been exonerated in the US since 1989. In their pursuit of convictions prosecutors across the country have often relied on FBI analysts’ overstated testimony on hair samples, incorrectly citing them as definitive proof of a defendant’s guilt.

The National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers (NACDL) and the Innocence Project are assisting the government in the nation’s largest post-conviction review of the FBI’s questioned forensic evidence. The groups determined that 26 of 28 examiners in the elite FBI Laboratory’s microscopic hair comparison unit overstated forensic matches in ways that favored prosecutors in more than 95 percent of the 268 trials reviewed so far.

The nation’s courts have allowed the bogus testimony, masquerading as definitive scientific evidence of defendants’ guilt, to railroad innocent people and consign them to decades in prison, life in prison, or death row and the execution chamber.

Federal authorities launched an investigation in 2012 after a Postexamination found that flawed forensic hair matches might have led to the convictions of hundreds of potentially innocent people nationwide since at least the 1970s. Defendants in these cases were typically charged with murder, rape and other violent crimes.

The scandal involves about 2,500 cases in which FBI examiners gave testimony involving hair matches. Hair examination is a pattern-based forensic technique. It involves subjective examination of characteristics such as color, thickness and length and compares them to a known source.

There is no accepted scientific research on how often hair from different people may appear the same, and any hair “matches” must be confirmed by DNA analysis. However, the Post’s 2012 review found that FBI experts systematically testified to the near-certainty of matches of hair found at crime scenes to the hair samples of defendants. The FBI gave flawed forensic testimony in 257 of the 268 trials examined so far.

In 2002, a decade before the Post review, the FBI reported that its own DNA testing revealed that examiners reported false hair matches more than 11 percent of the time.

In Washington, DC, the only jurisdiction where defenders and prosecutors have carried out an investigation into all convictions based on FBI hair testimony, five of seven defendants whose trials included flawed hair evidence have been exonerated since 2009 based on either DNA testing or court appeals. All of them served 20 to 30 years in prison for rape or murder.

In an interview with the Post, University of Virginia law professor Brandon L. Garrett said the results of the DC investigation reveal a “mass disaster” inside the criminal justice system. “The tools don’t exist to handle systematic errors in our criminal justice system,” he said.

Those exonerated since 2009 in DC include:

* Donald Eugene Gates was incarcerated for 28 years for the rape and murder of a Georgetown University student. He was ordered released in December 2009 by a DC Superior Court Judge after DNA evidence revealed that another man committed the crime. The prosecution relied heavily on the testimony of an FBI analyst, who falsely linked two hairs from an African-American male to Gates.

* Kirk L. Odom was wrongfully imprisoned for more than 22 years for a 1981 rape and murder. He completed his prison term in 2003, but it was not until July 2012 that DNA evidence exonerated him of the crimes. A DC Superior Court order freed him from remaining on parole until 2047 and registering as a sex offender.

* Santae A. Tribble was convicted in the 1978 killing of a DC taxi driver. An FBI examiner testifying at Tribble’s trial said he had microscopically matched the defendant’s hair to one found in a stocking near the crime scene. In 2012, DNA tests on the same hair excluded him as the perpetrator, clearing the way for his exoneration.

Federal authorities are offering new DNA testing in those cases where FBI analysts gave flawed forensic testimony. However, in some 700 of the 2,500 cases identified by the FBI for review, police or prosecutors have not responded to requests for trial transcripts or other information. Biological evidence is also not always available, having been lost or destroyed in the years since trial.

Although defense attorneys argue that scientifically invalid testimony should be considered a violation of due process, only the states of California and Texas specifically allow appeals when experts recant their testimony or scientific advances undermine forensic evidence given at trial.

In a statement responding to the new scandal’s eruption, the FBI and Justice Department vowed that they are “committed to ensuring that affected defendants are notified of past errors and that justice is done in every instance” and that they are “also committed to ensuring the accuracy of future hair analysis, as well as the application of all disciplines of forensic science.”

The scandal over fraudulent testimony, however, only reveals the corrupt and anti-democratic character of the US prison system as a whole. The United States locks behind bars a greater proportion of its population than any other country, topped off by the barbaric death penalty that is supported by the entire political establishment.

Whatever the hypocritical posturing of the Obama White House, it cannot bring back the years spent in prison by the wrongfully convicted or the lives of those likely executed for crimes they did not commit.
 
I am against the death penalty just because I don't believe the state should be in the business of deciding who going to live or die. It is a law based on vengeance and should not be applicable to the state.à
 
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