Golden State Warriors fans.... Uh Oh?!?!?!?!

[Mt. Yukon]

lol
he just creates a shot for every other player on the court when he's on it. they give people wide open layups regularly so he can't shoot a 3.
yea not too shabby i guess.

I'm not hating on Steph. Seriously I'm not. But if you've balled before you know that other stuff that Steph isn't doing takes energy. So when people do all that extra stuff, and come down and lead the squad in assists in a time when the PG was the floor gereral, leads the team in ppg, among the team leaders in rebounds, then guards the other teams best player......... That is a truly great player. Bron does. So that's why Steph will probably never take that title away. But that just my opinion.

 

[D Kline]

Nope just like its 900,900 football stupid threads everytime a football players takes an off-season dump. Basketball deserves some time.

 

[Amajorfucup]

no it won't cacaladova tried that irritant shit last year remember? curry decided to get the ball in his hands and proceeded to break that cac down until he backed off.

You arent being honest bro... Are we gonna pretend that cac didnt own Curry one game and play him tight another in that series?? Had him utterly frustrated before attrition set in? Didnt Steph give us a 1 for 15 from 3 game when Delly was in that ass?? Didnt Delly give Steph like 25 one nite?

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

I'm not hating on Steph. Seriously I'm not. But if you've balled before you know that other stuff that Steph isn't doing takes energy. So when people do all that extra stuff, and come down and lead the squad in assists in a time when the PG was the floor gereral, leads the team in ppg, among the team leaders in rebounds, then guards the other teams best player......... That is a truly great player. Bron does. So that's why Steph will probably never take that title away. But that just my opinion.

no he is TRULY a great player right now. the team is a SYSTEM defense. he can't always guard the other teams best player because he's a little damn point guard. westbrook ain't on lebron neither is cp3 so that standard is BOGUS. draymond is the defensive stopper on the team and there's no shame in that.

why does the point guard need to be among the league leaders in rebounds????????????? that does NOT make sense. a forward most def should

he's among the league leaders in assists and steals though which is probably more appropriate and ft percentage too which is why you want the ball in your point guards hands right?

see what i mean?

just stop it.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

You arent being honest bro... Are we gonna pretend that cac didnt own Curry one game and play him tight another in that series?? Had him utterly frustrated before attrition set in? Didnt Steph give us a 1 for 15 from 3 game when Delly was in that ass?? Didnt Delly give Steph like 25 one nite?

i am being COMPLETELY HONEST. i said he DECIDED to take him off the dribble.
he did not take him off the dribble those first 3 games. he was doing his normal thing they insisted on running the offense through bogut (who stopped playing and inserted iggy cause bogut could not keep up with tt or mosgov) and they STARTED letting curry handle the rock and creating the offense with himself and what happened?

cacladova was a pest when he didn't have the ball in his hands. he fought through the screens he had him flustered UNTIL they got the ball in curry's hands and let him operate the offense through him instead of off the motion and cac did not want any parts of it after that correct?

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

You arent being honest bro... Are we gonna pretend that cac didnt own Curry one game and play him tight another in that series?? Had him utterly frustrated before attrition set in? Didnt Steph give us a 1 for 15 from 3 game when Delly was in that ass?? Didnt Delly give Steph like 25 one nite?

Let this sink in Bruh

 

[Mt. Yukon]

I hear what you are saying, but you guys are really reaching at this point. I grew up watching the same era you talk about, and frankly, all of the diversive negative connotations concerning this era against that era are over blown and really a reach attempt that fails miserably. As much as you guys try to discredit this era for not being a 'tough' era, THAT era was also full of limited to below average talent who kept a job because they were enforcers, instead of basketball players. So, THIS era is more representative of the game of BASKETBALL in the purest form than back then.

As far as Curry 'playing no defense' or not doing the 'other' things... Please show me outside of a game or two where he's been seriously roasted, AND if his steals which ranks him 4-5 in the league are discounted, CP3, Westbrook and everybody elses should be too. There are a handful of pure on the ball shut down defenders, so again, that is really just a weak attempt to discredit him

In addition to his shooting exploits, he's averaging 6.6 assist, 5.3 rebounds, 2.1 steals and has the highest PER in the league... the player universally considered the best on the planet until now, LeBron averages 6.6 assist and 7.2 rebounds, 1.4 steals and has a 26.49 PER....

What OTHER things are you talking about Bruh?!

Steph doesn't guard the other teams best player. Hell Draymond or Klay can guard the other teams PG if they start lighting up Steph. All Steph really has to concentrate on is offense. They play an up and down pace and that leads to lots of long rebounds that Steph snags. That's not the same as really going up and rebounding. Steph can play passing lanes. Not defend on ball. Theres a difference.

 

[Rollie_Fingaz]

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Steph doesn't guard the other teams best player. Hell Draymond or Klay can guard the other teams PG if they start lighting up Steph. All Steph really has to concentrate on is offense. They play an up and down pace and that leads to lots of long rebounds that Steph snags. That's not the same as really going up and rebounding. Steph can play passing lanes. Not defend on ball. Theres a difference.

exactly keep barreling down. start qualifying stats to fit the argument lol.

all steph has to do is really make the entire fucking team GO lol this team that is 50 something and 5 is lost when he ain't on the court but he ain't a great player

got you.

 

[Mt. Yukon]

no he is TRULY a great player right now. the team is a SYSTEM defense. he can't always guard the other teams best player because he's a little damn point guard. westbrook ain't on lebron neither is cp3 so that standard is BOGUS. draymond is the defensive stopper on the team and there's no shame in that.

why does the point guard need to be among the league leaders in rebounds????????????? that does NOT make sense. a forward most def should

he's among the league leaders in assists and steals though which is probably more appropriate and ft percentage too which is why you want the ball in your point guards hands right?

see what i mean?

just stop it.

Stop what??? I didn't bring up Bird, someone else did. Bird is a better player to me. I seriously don't understand why I gotta be wrong cause you don't like my opinion...???...

 

[Rollie_Fingaz]

 

[fwillia]

he guards 1 through 5.

listen. the warriors did not play good team ball tonight. they had every reason to lose. but they didn't.

okc played the perfect game. and lost.

They played a lot of heroball and made stupid mistakes at the most crucial moments.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Stop what??? I didn't bring up Bird, someone else did. Bird is a better player to me. I seriously don't understand why I gotta be wrong cause you don't like my opinion...???...

you're wrong about your judgement of steph. what you qualify as what he should be doing to be a great player in your eyes. you are comparing a 6 ft nothing point guard to a 6 ft everything big bodied forward

 

[Amajorfucup]

i am being COMPLETELY HONEST. i said he DECIDED to take him off the dribble.
he did not take him off the dribble those first 3 games. he was doing his normal thing they insisted on running the offense through bogut (who stopped playing and inserted iggy cause bogut could not keep up with tt or mosgov) and they STARTED letting curry handle the rock and creating the offense with himself and what happened?

cacladova was a pest when he didn't have the ball in his hands. he fought through the screens he had him flustered UNTIL they got the ball in curry's hands and let him operate the offense through him instead of off the motion and cac did not want any parts of it after that correct?

Come on man... Cavs had a 6 man rotation and Delly was playing 45 minutes and going to the hospital for IVs between games. Attrition decided that... not Currys "decision" to start attacking the basket. Man stop .

 

[Mt. Yukon]

exactly keep barreling down. start qualifying stats to fit the argument lol.

all steph has to do is really make the entire fucking team GO lol this team that is 50 something and 5 is lost when he ain't on the court but he ain't a great player

got you.

He's not better than Bird was IMO and I don't care what you, or anyone else says bruh. I'm not saying he's not great as far is what it takes to be great today. Bron is still better IMO. Guess you gonna tell me I'm wrong for that too hungh???

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

Steph doesn't guard the other teams best player. Hell Draymond or Klay can guard the other teams PG if they start lighting up Steph. All Steph really has to concentrate on is offense. They play an up and down pace and that leads to lots of long rebounds that Steph snags. That's not the same as really going up and rebounding. Steph can play passing lanes. Not defend on ball. Theres a difference.

Thats not a pre requisite though! Jordan didn't always guard the teams best player, LeBron didn't, Shaq didn't, etc. Thats reaching for reason Bruh. So, what if the other teams best player is a PF? A Center? Regardless of the pace they play, and no they are NOT running around like Loyola Marymount either. They run sets and he is effective in it. Now, they need to put disclaimers on rebound now depending on the players position or they should designate rebound TYPES? I don't see hardly any other players locking up defenders, and stealing the ball from the offensive player while they are dribbling, etc. Damn near ALL steals in the league are from the passing lanes, but STEPHS are the only ones to be discredited? As I said, and at times it even happened with other great players, when a player becomes as dominant as Steph is, and when they are by far without question the best most dominant players in the league, is when we start getting this type of okey doke discrediting attempt, because any real legitimate discussion on skills and impact would bet owned ridiculously...

Can't move the goal post to fit objectives Dude.... Everyone says Steph plays no defense, yet when asked to qualify the statement they create a whole different set of rules and qualifications for them to be judged by.... Thats reaching 101 my Dude..

 

[Mt. Yukon]

you're wrong about your judgement of steph. what you qualify as what he should be doing to be a great player in your eyes. you are comparing a 6 ft nothing point guard to a 6 ft everything big bodied forward

I didn't compare them, I was talking to the person who did... You came at me like I'm an idoit, when you and I aren't even having the same debate as me and the dude who brought up Larry.

 

[Day_Carver]

Steph doesn't guard the other teams best player. Hell Draymond or Klay can guard the other teams PG if they start lighting up Steph. All Steph really has to concentrate on is offense. They play an up and down pace and that leads to lots of long rebounds that Steph snags. That's not the same as really going up and rebounding. Steph can play passing lanes. Not defend on ball. Theres a difference.

What great offensive player in the game today guards the best offensive player on the other team the whole game???

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Come on man... Cavs had a 6 man rotation and Delly was playing 45 minutes and going to the hospital for IVs between games. Attrition decided that... not Currys "decision" to start attacking the basket. Man stop .

lol alright i give up.
if delly could've gotten some rest he would've locked him up the entire series. gotcha.
that's the key. pick him up from half court the entire game.
foul the shit out of him
and you'll stop him.
got it.

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

He's not better than Bird was IMO and I don't care what you, or anyone else says bruh. I'm not saying he's not great as far is what it takes to be great today. Bron is still better IMO. Guess you gonna tell me I'm wrong for that too hungh???

At this point, during THIS season, YES!!!!

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

I didn't compare them, I was talking to the person who did... You came at me like I'm an idoit, when you and I aren't even having the same debate as me and the dude who brought up Larry.

no i didn't come at you about bird. i told you that from jump. i told you after you said it was in comparison to bird. i said im not comparing bird i said im measuring steph and what he should do and you keep qualifying the greatness of a point guard with the small forward and power forward's standard

bird is top 10 to ever do it.
steph is not top 10 to ever do it imo not yet he got years to go before he can claim that.
however the measuring stick needs to be in the right range or else the entire discussion is bs.

 

[MonkeyBizness]

 

[Amajorfucup]

lol alright i give up.
if delly could've gotten some rest he would've locked him up the entire series. gotcha.
that's the key. pick him up from half court the entire game.
foul the shit out of him
and you'll stop him.
got it.

Nah. Thats not what i said. But to ignore the Cavs rotation and injury issues and put it all on Curry magically deciding to handle the rock is laughable young bro. Delly got in his ass. It happened. Period. And it furthers my point that picking him up at half court is a much better option than what we see currently.

 

[Non-StopJFK2TAB]

all the warriors is gonna do is pick and pop from the absolute top of the 3 point line and then what? leave klay open in the corner? lol

You're getting sliced by a thousand cuts. The stories of MJ smoking cigars in other folks locker rooms are about to get real corny.

I saw a kid crip walk, screamed out, patted his chest out, and nary a word was mentioned. The kid is unstoppable. As the game ended, I felt that curry could choke slam his wife and I may let him slide.

 

[Mt. Yukon]

What great offensive player in the game today guards the best offensive player on the other team the whole game???

Other than Bron and PG13... No one. Also consider the context of that reply, and what I was replying to.

 

[Non-StopJFK2TAB]

Other than Bron and PG13... No one. Also consider the context of that reply, and what I was replying to.

You're neurons are running on fumes. Get some rest. If you're from Europe, I hope you just came out of a coma.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Nah. Thats not what i said. But to ignore the Cavs rotation and injury issues and put it all on Curry magically deciding to handle the rock is laughable young bro. Delly got in his ass. It happened. Period. And it furthers my point that picking him up at half court is a much better option than what we see currently.

no im not ignoring it. i am saying that it was the difference. regardless of rotation or injury issues in the first 3 games they insisted on running the offense thru bogut who had no business being on the court. you can dig up the thread. i said stop letting bogut play. let ezili play. stop running the motion. let curry handle the rock because he can.

all im saying is that if bogut doesn't play in any game that series it's probably 4-1 in favor of the warriors even with lebron playing the best basketball of his entire life...which ironically is when he can hog the ball cause nobody else is on the team worth passing it to but that's another discussion.


picking him up from half court is an option just not a good option imo.

 

[Mt. Yukon]

no i didn't come at you about bird. i told you that from jump. i told you after you said it was in comparison to bird. i said im not comparing bird i said im measuring steph and what he should do and you keep qualifying the greatness of a point guard with the small forward and power forward's standard

bird is top 10 to ever do it.
steph is not top 10 to ever do it imo not yet he got years to go before he can claim that.
however the measuring stick needs to be in the right range or else the entire discussion is bs.

That's fair. But I never really took anything away from Steph. He's not asked to do that. I think some of you are taking my rebuttals to other sidebar convos and trying to use them in a different comvo.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

That's fair. But I never really took anything away from Steph. He's not asked to do that. I think some of you are taking my rebuttals to other sidebar convos and trying to use them in a different comvo.

there's a difference though it's not a matter of being asked to do something, he shouldn't be expected to do it.
he shouldn't be expected to guard small forward or shooting guards that tower over him... and he shouldn't be expected to lead the league in rebounds as a point guard. he should be expected to be near tops in assists and steals, ft shooting, field goal shooting and 3 point shooting and he is...

 

[Mt. Yukon]

Thats not a pre requisite though! Jordan didn't always guard the teams best player, LeBron didn't, Shaq didn't, etc. Thats reaching for reason Bruh. So, what if the other teams best player is a PF? A Center? Regardless of the pace they play, and no they are NOT running around like Loyola Marymount either. They run sets and he is effective in it. Now, they need to put disclaimers on rebound now depending on the players position or they should designate rebound TYPES? I don't see hardly any other players locking up defenders, and stealing the ball from the offensive player while they are dribbling, etc. Damn near ALL steals in the league are from the passing lanes, but STEPHS are the only ones to be discredited? As I said, and at times it even happened with other great players, when a player becomes as dominant as Steph is, and when they are by far without question the best most dominant players in the league, is when we start getting this type of okey doke discrediting attempt, because any real legitimate discussion on skills and impact would bet owned ridiculously...

Can't move the goal post to fit objectives Dude.... Everyone says Steph plays no defense, yet when asked to qualify the statement they create a whole different set of rules and qualifications for them to be judged by.... Thats reaching 101 my Dude..

But the thing is, I never said wasn't a baller. I even said when qualifiers are put out, it's not to discredit. The times have changed, but the paradigm in our heads hasnt. For today's NBA, Steph is that dude. In my mind, for what I like to see, Bron is still that dude. But that doesn't hold the same weight it once did. So for people in this generation Steph is the best.

 

[Non-StopJFK2TAB]

there's a difference though it's not a matter of being asked to do something, he shouldn't be expected to do it.
he shouldn't be expected to guard small forward or shooting guards that tower over him... and he shouldn't be expected to lead the league in rebounds as a point guard. he should be expected to be near tops in assists and steals, ft shooting, field goal shooting and 3 point shooting and he is...

A guard should not be anywhere near the top field goal percentage. But if you're feeling clicks, he's top 20 in field goal percentage. FGP is usually a center/forward stay thing. But this sneaky lil bastard is up there taking threes like Drummond takes lay ups.

I say ban him, or make a 4 point line and 5 points for behind half court line.

 

[Amajorfucup]

no im not ignoring it. i am saying that it was the difference. regardless of rotation or injury issues in the first 3 games they insisted on running the offense thru bogut who had no business being on the court. you can dig up the thread. i said stop letting bogut play. let ezili play. stop running the motion. let curry handle the rock because he can.

all im saying is that if bogut doesn't play in any game that series it's probably 4-1 in favor of the warriors even with lebron playing the best basketball of his entire life...which ironically is when he can hog the ball cause nobody else is on the team worth passing it to but that's another discussion.


picking him up from half court is an option just not a good option imo.

Yea you're missing the point...And ignoring that the adjustment was atleast partially forced to counter the defense Delly played on Curry. And attrition played a part in GS adjusting and solving the problem.

We disagree. No prob.

 

[Mt. Yukon]

there's a difference though it's not a matter of being asked to do something, he shouldn't be expected to do it.
he shouldn't be expected to guard small forward or shooting guards that tower over him... and he shouldn't be expected to lead the league in rebounds as a point guard. he should be expected to be near tops in assists and steals, ft shooting, field goal shooting and 3 point shooting and he is...

OK for this debate I'm having with you. You're right, and a PG should never be compared with a SF/PF from 30 years ago. They aren't asked to do that same thing. I also never dissed Steph and even tried to put that in. But it seems whenever people see/hear something that could be taken as a dis, people saddle up and ride to Damascus on that cause.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Yea you're missing the point...And ignoring that the adjustment was atleast partially forced to counter the defense Delly played on Curry. And attrition played a part in GS adjusting and solving the problem.

We disagree. No prob.

nah you're kinda missing it. the defense was being played off the ball most of the time. so my point is that if they're going to pick him up off the ball, they're going to put the ball in his hands.
you can do that to klay thompson. what you described takes him out of the game completely because he cannot create nor does he have the handle.
doing that to curry just puts you in trail position more times than not that's what im saying. i didn't say it was bad defense it was good defense off the ball. great defense off the ball. once it gets in his hands its a different story though

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

OK for this debate I'm having with you. You're right, and a PG should never be compared with a SF/PF from 30 years ago. They aren't asked to do that same thing. I also never dissed Steph and even tried to put that in. But it seems whenever people see/hear something that could be taken as a dis, people saddle up and ride to Damascus on that cause.

well no my whole thing was just changing what we're judging him on. and then judge him. that's all. he can be judged for sure. like i said he ain't top 10 all time nothing imo YET. he has a damn good chance to be.

 

[Amajorfucup]

nah you're kinda missing it. the defense was being played off the ball most of the time. so my point is that if they're going to pick him up off the ball, they're going to put the ball in his hands.
you can do that to klay thompson. what you described takes him out of the game completely because he cannot create nor does he have the handle.
doing that to curry just puts you in trail position more times than not that's what im saying. i didn't say it was bad defense it was good defense off the ball. great defense off the ball. once it gets in his hands its a different story though

Doesnt matter. You have a higher percentage success rate by picking him up over giving him free looks and runs at the basket... Hes shooting 60% between half court and a foot behind the 3 line... Most of those shots are OPEN looks because they set the defense AT the 3 point line. You cannot do that against him. The game winning shot tonight was WIDE fucking OPEN.