LeBron’s 3-Point Shot Has Abandoned Him

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For a minute, in Miami, his shot was nice.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/lebrons-3-point-shot-has-abandoned-him/

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This kind of abrupt drop-off does happen from time to time, but not often. Going into the season, Basketball-Reference.com’s simple projections called for James to make 36.2 percent of his 3-pointers, a mark he’s currently missing by 8.6 percentage points. Since the NBA introduced the 3-pointer in 1979-80, 822 players have entered a season with as large a sample of prior 3-point shots2 as James while also firing off as many attempts during the season being projected; only 10 (1.2 percent) have missed their expected mark by a wider margin than James’s current shortfall.

Granted, one of those players is Atlanta’s Kyle Korver, who has fallen 8.8 percentage points shy of his projection this season. (Fun note: Korver’s definition of a “disappointing” 3-point percentage is still 3.4 points higher than league average.) Historically speaking, we’d expect only one NBA player to experience this type of shooting slump once every two or three seasons, but the 3-pointer’s ever-skyrocketing frequency gives contemporary players more chances to join this sample — and to underperform their expectations — than players of a generation ago.

Still, a dip like James’s remains pretty rare:

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So what’s causing James’s sudden regression behind the arc? It certainly isn’t an increase in long-range volume. His 3-pointers make up a smaller share of his total shots now than they did a season ago, bringing that proportion more in line with what it was in 2012-13, when James knocked down a career-best 40.6 percent of his 3s. Nor is it a matter of location. We would actually expect James’s conversion rate to be marginally better this year based on the distribution of his 3-point attempts by zone; he’s shooting slightly more of the shorter, easier variety of 3s that reside in each corner of the court.

Amazingly, the culprit for James’s declining percentage doesn’t even appear to be the circumstances under which he’s had to shoot.

Last season, James had the benefit of an assist on only 46.7 percent of his 3-point baskets; this year, that rate is much higher, at 62.1 percent.3 Somewhat relatedly, James also shot more pull-up 3s last season — you know, the onesonly Steph Curry can turn into a workable offensive strategy. This year, he’s shifted about 11 percentage points’ worth of those4 into 3s of the much easier catch-and-shoot variety. And a smaller share of James’s 3-point attempts this season have come in difficult shot clock territory — categoriesmarked by NBA.com as “Late” or “Very Late” — or against tough defensive pressure — classified by SportVU’s tracking cameras as “Tight” or “Very Tight” — than last season.

In other words, practically every statistical indicator says James should be shooting the ball better this year, not worse. An already improbable downturn is made all the more baffling by the lack of a logical explanation — with all of our data and technology, we’re supposed to be able to dissect and diagnose cases like this. James quantifiably has more space and more time, and he even says he feels significantly better than he did last season, but the shots are simply not falling.

James doesn’t seem to have any answers, either. “I could care less about what I shoot from the 3,” he said when asked about his abysmal 3-point shooting by the Cleveland Plain Dealer earlier this month. “It’s not my game … Like I tell you guys at the end of my career they’re not going to say LeBron was a great 3-point shooter. I’m going to continue to take them. I work on them. If they go in, fine, if not I’ll live in the paint. So I’m not a 3-point shooter, I never will be a 3-point shooter. If I shoot it well, cool, but that doesn’t define my game, shooting 3s.”

Somehow, James has managed to make that formula work for him. Cleveland ranks fourth in offensive rating, and LeBron has individually maintained the league’s third-best offensive Real Plus-Minus despite the wayward perimeter shooting. Perhaps that shouldn’t surprise us much — after all, a younger James’s production was off the charts before he ever developed a credible long-range jumper. At the very least, it suggests the Cavs might be able to capture another Eastern Conference crown even if James doesn’t miraculously regain his touch from the outside. But as far as statistical puzzlers go, James’s inexplicable shooting collapse is one for the history books. Even in the modern age of advanced basketball metrics, sometimes we have to deploy the analytic equivalent of a shruggie.
 
LeBron slippin.... His days as best player in the league are long gone. All that damn mileage is catching up with him, he's not an old man, but he's an old ass basketball player though. The shot is the first thing to go...

He's still an elite player, but his production has started its slow decline... :smh:
 
LeBron slippin.... His days as best player in the league are long gone. All that damn mileage is catching up with him, he's not an old man, but he's an old ass basketball player though. The shot is the first thing to go...

He's still an elite player, but his production has started its slow decline... :smh:

He's easily still the game's best player. His 3 point shooting been abysmal since he came back to Cleveland, but truthfully that's not the part of his game that made him LeBron. When he starts missing bunnies in the lane and stop scoring so much in the paint is when he will be on a "decline".
 
LeBron slippin.... His days as best player in the league are long gone. All that damn mileage is catching up with him, he's not an old man, but he's an old ass basketball player though. The shot is the first thing to go...

He's still an elite player, but his production has started its slow decline... :smh:
Season after season of carrying entire teams on his back us finally catching up to him. Even when he has had decent to elite players around him, he was still pretty much carrying the entire squad.
 
See this is the problem with data.

You run some linear regression and start talking shit :smh:


I live data so i know most of the mofos out here can only speak to data and have no clue of the other shit (features) that should go into the model.


whatever
 
lebrons decline is starting to show when you watch him, but his stats are 24 6 rebounds and 4 dimes. those aren't the stats of someone on the decline.
 
That's probably it. Man..I remember one season in Miami he was out there like steph raining 3s

And people said he had "no heart" and should attack the lane or post people up instead of bailing defenses out.

lebrons decline is starting to show when you watch him, but his stats are 24 6 rebounds and 4 dimes. those aren't the stats of someone on the decline.

His numbers will be even better in the playoffs.
 
lebrons decline is starting to show when you watch him, but his stats are 24 6 rebounds and 4 dimes. those aren't the stats of someone on the decline.

Compared to what his stats USED to look like, and the effectiveness of the sure they are.... He doesn't impact the game consistently like he used to.
 
Compared to what his stats USED to look like, and the effectiveness of the sure they are.... He doesn't impact the game consistently like he used to.


what the fuck are you talking about?

as you age you play smarter so that overall you become more effective not just in individual stuff but rather doing the intangibles to make he team successful
 
And people said he had "no heart" and should attack the lane or post people up instead of bailing defenses out..

Oh. He should definitely be driving into the lane and playing in the post. You've missed the point. No one is saying he should be taking more 3s. It's not a volume issue. I didn't really like him taking the shot then even when he was making them (though it made him impossible to defend when he was hitting them). It's just odd that he's lost his range when he was steadily improving. It's something that people have been talking about for a while..just interesting to see some stats on it.
 
He ate Atlanta in the playoffs like Doritos. Until I see otherwise, I'm not convinced of shit.

Naw. I don't think he's noticeably fallen off. I'm just wondering how a guy who was becoming a really respectable long range shooter regressed so rapidly.
 
Naw. I don't think he's noticeably fallen off. I'm just wondering how a guy who was becoming a really respectable long range shooter regressed so rapidly.

I agree with that because he was money vs Indy for a spell. It's been a fall off shooting wise, but we'll see. At the end of the day, it's about chips. And he'll be right there IMO, unfortunately. Don't think it's going to matter. He'll impact the game during the playoffs significantly.
 
He's easily still the game's best player.".

I don't know if it's "easily". At the beginning of the season, I said it was all Lebron...however, Steph has a case. I would personally still give it to Lebron. Lebron is clearly the better two way player and I would take him #1. However, Steph's shooting, dribbling, and passing (especially the long range shooting) is fundamentally changing the game. He has a case and if he continues playing like this and they win a title (with him having a great finals), the torch has been passed.
 
bron shouldnt be shooting 3s anyway

if he wouldve learned a true post up game and stop relying on his athleticism, steph wouldnt be eating his best player in the league food

at this point, its nothing but regression with him. that J is broke
 
I agree with that because he was money vs Indy for a spell. It's been a fall off shooting wise, but we'll see. At the end of the day, it's about chips. And he'll be right there IMO, unfortunately.

He still has hit speed, lift, etc... so I'm not even sure I'm buying the "his legs are starting to go argument". It's just odd. There was a time when he was a really respectable long range shooter and now I'm just expecting him to miss every 3 he takes. It's gotten that bad and there is just no good explanation for it.
 
I still think Lebron is the best player in the NBA

Who cares about his 3 point percentage

Jordans was NEVER good

Niggas like him and Lebron don't need threes to score or play their games

That's inefficient for them to shoot a ton of threes and they are the opposite of that
 
I don't know if it's "easily". At the beginning of the season, I said it was all Lebron...however, Steph has a case. I would personally still give it to Lebron. Lebron is clearly the better two way player and I would take him #1. However, Steph's shooting, dribbling, and passing (especially the long range shooting) is fundamentally changing the game. He has a case and if he continues playing like this and they win a title (with him having a great finals), the torch has been passed.

Steph is the best offensive player and the best player on the best team, but his lack of defensive impact hurts him when being considered the game's best player.
 
Steph is the best offensive player and the best player on the best team, but his lack of defensive impact hurts him when being considered the game's best player.
steph is the best player in the game

he doesnt have to play D for this honor

he's elite and/or the greatest to ever do whats he currently doing

and he's going to get another chip, break the 72 wins record, etc.

we have to stop hating on this kid when we compare him to bron lol
 
Steph is the best offensive player and the best player on the best team, but his lack of defensive impact hurts him when being considered the game's best player.

I agree. But he's in Randy Moss territory to me. Randy couldn't run the full route tree, was a below average blocker... but no one could run that fucking go route like randy and get up and catch it like him. He did ONE thing so much better than everyone else that you have to judge him differently. DCs had to completely retool their defenses solely to deal with him. It's like that for steph now. This guy can shoot off the dribble from 35 feet man. You have to defend him as soon as he crosses half court. And he's a GREAT finisher and passer.. he's in cheat mode right now man.

And believe me.. I was like (at the beginning of the season) like.. GTFOH with this steph shit.. I always said he was the greatest shooter of all time, but he wasn't anywhere near the top of my list for best player
 
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I think so too. I just think Steph has a legitimate case. I was ready to smack people who said that at the beginning of the season, but he's made me a believer.
You think he has a legitimate case? How many half court shots does he have to make? At what point do you admit you're watching the greatest player of all time?
 
I agree. But he's in Randy Moss territory to me. Randy couldn't run the full route tree, was a below average blocker... but no one could run that fucking go route like randy and get up and catch it like him. He did ONE thing so much better than everyone else that you have to judge him differently. DCs had to completely retool their defenses solely to deal with him. It's like that for steph now. This guy can shoot over the dribble from 35 feet man. You have to defend him as soon as he crosses half court. And he's a GREAT finisher and passes.. he's shoot mode right now man.

And believe me.. I was like (at the beginning of the season) like.. GTFOH with this steph shit.. I always said he was the greatest shooter of all time, but he wasn't anywhere near the top of my list for best player

The Randy Moss point and comparison is a good one
 
The Randy Moss point and comparison is a good one

That squad, as constructed, allows him to get away with being an average to below average defender. But his shooting makes that whole thing go. You take him off that squad and they're average.

He has long been the greatest shooter ever to me.. but the shit he's doing this year is other-worldly man. He pulls up from 40 feet and you EXPECT that shit to go... I mean he can pull from 40 off the fucking dribble. But his handles are crazy, he can pass, and he's a GREAT finisher.. like maybe top 5 little man of all time finishing at the rim (especially considering he has no hops).. he's impossible to defend..impossible with the way the game is played now.
 
He's easily still the game's best player. His 3 point shooting been abysmal since he came back to Cleveland, but truthfully that's not the part of his game that made him LeBron. When he starts missing bunnies in the lane and stop scoring so much in the paint is when he will be on a "decline".
why are you explaining the obvious to that jackass? He's a crab in a barrel negro who will try and find flaws in every black person who is great. Just check his post history. He's one of those unaccomplished ugly fat slob niggas who can't stand to see any black person excell. He'll be the first to put down all of the great black athletes, etc. (it is what it is). Typical loser minimum wage jackass
 
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