Uh, Oh... Batman vs. Superman not looking too good.

No doubt but thats been a problem for a while now, especially with comedies.

They're so desperate to get you in the theater they give away whole plots and the best punchlines in the trailers.
imma keep it real i've been notice for yrs that hollywood put more energy into trailers than to the actual movie...they do it cause they kno a lot of their movies are either shitty or half ass..they basically giving u free samples of a great tasting cookie and selling u boxes of shitty tasting cookies...pure bizzness fuckery..dats why i support free streaming
 
imma keep it real i've been notice for yrs that hollywood put more energy into trailers than to the actual movie...they do it cause they kno a lot of their movies are either shitty or half ass..they basically giving u free samples of a great tasting cookie and selling u boxes of shitty tasting cookies...pure bizzness fuckery..dats why i support free streaming


No doubt.......I think the biggest problem is they are actually too many people making movies now so shit is just stretched out (its more quantity over quality).

Im sure you're just like me and have seen countless movies that had a great script/concept but the execution (whether acting, directing, cinematography, etc.) was horrible and destroyed what could have been a great flick.
 
the worst thing they did was show doomsday..they fucked up on that..that was like showing jigsaw get up from the floor in saw in a preview or showing apollo die in rocy 4 preview..certain things u never show...i'm not gonna front they should've never showed that football scene from darkknight rises in the preview either..it def came off blah when i saw it in the movies cause i knew what to expect
:yes::yes:Now it's like what else is there to expect? Batman gets mad, fights superman, and somehow doesn't die fighting him:hmm:then Lex is like here's another villain and then wonder woman shows up to help..did i miss anything?
 
All comicbook movies suck now.
Shits played out.

Yea it's become over saturated. Hollywood has some success with a certain kind of movie and then they start constantly making these same movies over and over again. Time for something new.
 
No doubt.......I think the biggest problem is they are actually too many people making movies now so shit is just stretched out (its more quantity over quality).

Im sure you're just like me and have seen countless movies that had a great script/concept but the execution (whether acting, directing, cinematography, etc.) was horrible and destroyed what could have been a great flick.
yeppppppppppppppp... rite off back the purge comes to mind... concept was great..even like the idea of the family trapped in the crib..but the shit juss boring and not good to me... yeah hollywood is def monkey see monkey do all i gotta say is the horror genre..same pale face people, climbing up walls, doin the bend the body in crazy positions, with jump scare music, some fake ghost shit
 
:yes::yes:Now it's like what else is there to expect? Batman gets mad, fights superman, and somehow doesn't die fighting him:hmm:then Lex is like here's another villain and then wonder woman shows up to help..did i miss anything?

:lol:...man that's DC's problem The same old people fighting each other since 1930. And what city are they fighting over? I thought supes was in Metropolis and bats was in Gotham? Anyway, I've been saying this over and over: DC characters are too old. Everybody knows who supes and bats are. Everybody. Are there really any storylines left? They've been around for 70 years. Marvel OTOH characters besides being newer (60's) were conceived with character flaws. Lots of character flaws. Giving them much richer, complex and varied storylines. I grew up reading all types of comics, I'm no Marvel fanboy but it is what it is.
 
yeppppppppppppppp... rite off back the purge comes to mind... concept was great..even like the idea of the family trapped in the crib..but the shit juss boring and not good to me... yeah hollywood is def monkey see monkey do all i gotta say is the horror genre..same pale face people, climbing up walls, doin the bend the body in crazy positions, with jump scare music, some fake ghost shit

I haven't even attempted to watch a horror movie in years.

It had a decent brief resurgence for me in the early to mid-2000's but after that it just becamd formulaic and boring.
 
I hear you.

But people are reviewing a movie based on one minute trailers, rumors, and gossip from unsubstantiated sources.

no they aren't. they are basing their opinions on seeing the movie as it stands now. using test audiences is standard for tweaking movies, one of the most famous examples being First Blood. test audiences didnt like the ending where Trautman shot him in the head, so they filmed a new ending where he was arrested. right now DOJ isnt testing well with STAFF MEMBERS. if you cant sell YOUR STAFF, shit is bout to get TOO real TOO fast.
 
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I haven't even attempted to watch a horror movie in years.

It had a decent brief resurgence for me in the early to mid-2000's but after that it just becamd formulaic and boring.
yeah i feel u the only thing i actually watched was the first sinister..dat was because bgol kept pushing it... i thought the ring sucked..blair witch 1 and 2 really sucked..i think the only horror flicks i seen was both jason and freddy remakes, jason vs freddy, and the thing prequel
 
Anyway, I've been saying this over and over: DC characters are too old. Everybody knows who supes and bats are. Everybody. Are there really any storylines left?
the characters arent too old, the writers arent visionaries or artists, theyre coke snorting child molesting hollyweird executives. you take old character, update his environment and sensibilities, you will find an audience for him. yo dont need to tell NEW stories, yo9u need to find creative ways to tell OLD ones.
 
the last horror movie i actually watched in the theater was the remake of texas chainsaw massacre. i won't pay to see a horror movie anymore.

i like the saw series but that shit got played too.
 
the last horror movie i actually watched in the theater was the remake of texas chainsaw massacre. i won't pay to see a horror movie anymore.

i like the saw series but that shit got played too.
damn i forgot to mention saw...that first 1 was some gooddddddddddd shit...part 2 was cool..than they kept goin and goin and goin..crazy thing i seen every single 1..only 2 and 3 in the movies
 
the characters arent too old, the writers arent visionaries or artists, theyre coke snorting child molesting hollyweird executives. you take old character, update his environment and sensibilities, you will find an audience for him. yo dont need to tell NEW stories, yo9u need to find creative ways to tell OLD ones.

And that's where Marvel excels.

They rebooted and moderinzed their characters 16 years ago with the Ultimate Universe. They were successfully able to merge the old with new and create the MCU.

They found a company in Disney that understands their vision and allows them to operate as an independent studio without too much mirco managing.

DC main problem is Warner Bros. DC's top decision maker is a WB exec not someone to at DC who understands the product.
 
Article is repeating the same shit from last week and adding nothing new.

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Not these ones tho.....

Is Batman v Superman set to be a flop? AI predicts the superhero movie has only a 32% chance of making a profit
  • Cast-director partnership and winter release date are key for success
  • Researchers used learning software to analyse 2,500 previous releases
  • They identified factors that correlate most to the profit a film will make
  • Cartoon Zootopia was found to have the highest chance of making a profit
By RICHARD GRAY FOR MAILONLINE
PUBLISHED: 11:39 EST, 16 February 2016 | UPDATED: 14:06 EST, 16 February 2016


It is perhaps the most eagerly awaited comic superhero films of the year and with a budget of more than $200 million (ÂŁ140 million), it will also be one of the most expensive.

But the formula of pitching two of DC Comics most famous superheroes against one another in Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, may not be the success studio bosses hoped it would be.

A new algorithm that uses machine learning has given the movie just a 32 per cent chance of turning a profit.
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The new film Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice pitches DC Comics two most iconic superheroes against each other (pictured). The film has been eagerly awaited by fans but a new computer algorithm that analyses the success of movies at the box office suggests it may not live up to the expectations of movie bosses

Computer scientists trained the software by getting it to analyse more than 2,500 movies released in the US between 2000 and 2010.

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The researchers then used the software to analyse films that are due to be released over the next year to assess their chances of making at least $7.3 million (ÂŁ5.1 million) profit from box office sales.

The new Batman v Superman film, starring Henry Cavill and Ben Affleck, came out particularly poorly.

An expensive cast and high budget means it may struggle to turn much of a profit when it is released in cinemas.

Similarly Masterminds, a bank heist comedy staring Kristen Wiig, Owen Wilson and Zach Galifianakis, was found to have only a 39 per cent chance of making a decent profit.

However, films like Zootopia, an animated movie from the same producers as Frozen, has a 55 per cent chance of making at least $7.3 million in profit.

While horror film Before I Wake was found to have just a 13 per cent probability of making that kind of money.

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While the Batman v Superman comic book adaptation (poster shown above) was found to have a 37% chance of turning a suitable profit, Zootopia (right), from the creators of Frozen, was found to have a 55% chance

Dr Kang Zhao, a business analytics expert at the University of Iowa, explained: 'It's easier to predict the box office receipts if you have star power, but that doesn't help in predicting profitability because the actors charge such a hefty fee upfront that it reduces the profit.'

The researchers, whose work is published the journal of Social Computing, Behavioural-Cultural Modelling and Prediction, analysed 2,506 movies released between 2000 and 2010 to identify the factors that most play a role in a film's success.

The relationship between the director and the cast was found to have the strongest correlation – if they had a history of making a profitable movie together in the past, they were likely to again.

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Stars Henry Cavill and Ben Affleck can help to pull in movie viewers, but they are also expensive, which can eat into a movie's profits. With a large special effects budget, Batman v Superman has cost around $200 million to make, which puts it alongside some of the most expensive films ever made

Elsewhere, the average gross sales of a director's previous movies together with a cast who have also made profitable movies was considered.

The annual profit percentage made by the genre itself and perhaps importantly, a winter release date, were also factors.

The researchers chose $7.3 million as a suitable figure that movie executives might expect to get in return for their investment in a film.

Batman v Superman is scheduled to be released in March this year in the US.

Michael Lash, a PhD student who also took part in the research, said the number of tickets a movie sells at the box office did not always predict how successful it was.

He said: 'Movies that sell better at the box office may also need bigger investments. Thus they do not necessarily provide satisfactory returns for investors.'

HOW 2016 FILMS WERE RATED BY THE ALGORITHM
The researchers put their algorithm to the test by predicting the chances some movies due to be released this year will turn a $7.3 million profit.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...-superhero-movie-32-change-making-profit.html



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Breakthrough algorithm predicts Hollywood flops, says 'Batman v. Superman,' 'Warcraft' doomed

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"Batman v Superman" will be released next month. (Warner Bros.)
By Douglas Perry | The Oregonian/OregonLive
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on February 15, 2016 at 2:11 PM

Oscar-winning screenwriter William Goldman is famous for saying that in Hollywood "nobody knows anything. ... Not one person in the entire motion-picture field knows for a certainty what's going to work. Every time out it's a guess and, if you're lucky, an educated one."

That truism soon may have to be retired. University of Iowa researchers write that they have "built a predictive model for movie success, deviating from past studies by predicting profit (as opposed to revenue) at early stages of production (as opposed to just prior to release) to increase investor certainty." The study was published last year in the journal Social Computing, Behavioral-Cultural Modeling and Prediction.

The algorithm that drives the system determined that the big-budget Warner Bros. picture "Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice" has only a 32 percent chance of making it into the black. The movie will be released next month. It also concluded that "Warcraft," based on the video-game series and set for a June release, has a 39 percent chance of turning a profit.

The predictive model takes into account many factors, including the movie's stars and director, their box-office track records, the movie's genre and plot, and when it will be released. The model's creators "ran the numbers from every film released in the U.S. between 2000 and 2010 through their 'who, what and when' formula to fine-tune which elements played a greater role," writes Tom Snee, an editor in the University of Iowa's Office of Strategic Communications. He adds:

"The entertainment industry has spent years looking for a tool that will predict with at least some accuracy whether a movie will hit or miss. The tool is especially important for investors who have no real method to help them decide whether to support a movie, such that film financing is still a high-risk venture more than 100 years after the rise of the commercial movie industry."

Studio executives certainly will love to have some scientific backing for their decisions, but of course this might just mean more comic-book movie franchises and fewer risky projects at the multiplex. As Goldman wrote in his iconic novel (and movie) "The Princess Bride": "Life isn't fair. It's just fairer than death, that's all."

-- Douglas Perry
http://www.oregonlive.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2016/02/breakthrough_algorithm_predict.html
 
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Same article from last week. Speculative nonsense. Seems like someone is trying to poison the waters a bit on this film..
no - the execs @ WB are feeling queezy:
they committed to an ad spend of $150-$200 million back on October before focus grouping the movie

in all of the rushing they did to make it and market it, they skipped some of their own risk management processes / steps

so now with underwhelmed focus groups and internal viewers, they are praying to the gods they didn't fuck up
 
no - the execs @ WB are feeling queezy:
they committed to an ad spend of $150-$200 million back on October before focus grouping the movie

in all of the rushing they did to make it and market it, they skipped some of their own risk management processes / steps

so now with underwhelmed focus groups and internal viewers, they are praying to the gods they didn't fuck up
Sounds plausible. Im just saying its all speculative and unnamed sources tho. Just seems fishy to me... horse shit even. And this is a re-run of a report from last week and it hinges its own story on "rumors" "suggesting".. So theres that too.
 
It's Batman. It's Superman. It's Wonder woman. This will make money even if the end result is lack luster.
u were rite about the batman/superman part..it's gonna make it's moneyback plus some..i think their scared that will it be iconic enough though..will it be 1 of those alltime greats when people talk about great comic book movies.. it seems the reaction they getting mite not be that..it mite be like ok cool an ok movie to past the time but it mite not be at the water cooler talking like it was 1 of the greatest events u ever witness type of ordeals
 
Sounds plausible. Im just saying its all speculative and unnamed sources tho. Just seems fishy to me... horse shit even. And this is a re-run of a report from last week and it hinges its own story on "rumors" "suggesting".. So theres that too.
this article was a lazy rehash... but you might be right about a campaign
The initial report is not speculative - there are multiple reporters from different agencies co-signing - saying they are hearing the same from their people inside Warner as Mcweeney(sic) has...

Now - here is the onion: most times bad feeling about high budget movies like this are written about as whispers / grumbles, but rarely do you see someone with access go on camera repeating what their inside is saying as blatantly as was done here - a bunch of other reporters had this but none lead with it.

IMO Warner is worried and trying to lower expectations - if the movie falls short of Wall Street's projected opening numbers, their stock price will fall.
 
this article was a lazy rehash... but you might be right about a campaign
The initial report is not speculative - there are multiple reporters from different agencies co-signing - saying they are hearing the same from their people inside Warner as Mcweeney(sic) has...

Now - here is the onion: most times bad feeling about high budget movies like this are written about as whispers / grumbles, but rarely do you see someone with access go on camera repeating what their inside is saying as blatantly as was done here - a bunch of other reporters had this but none lead with it.

IMO Warner is worried and trying to lower expectations - if the movie falls short of Wall Street's projected opening numbers, their stock price will fall.
Cool. But im still not sure its not rumors picking up steam and going downhill, or typical big budget studio jitters being overblown by outsiders... Point taken tho.
 
the characters arent too old, the writers arent visionaries or artists, theyre coke snorting child molesting hollyweird executives. you take old character, update his environment and sensibilities, you will find an audience for him. yo dont need to tell NEW stories, yo9u need to find creative ways to tell OLD ones.


Yes they are too old. They already have backstories and histories that EVERYBODY knows. Everybody, bro. And because they were created in: supes - 1933, bats - 1939, the climate was totally different; man, jim crow was in full effect. They were perfect paragons of white justice. No faults, always right. Marvel characters were created in a time of turmoil - the 60s. They were never perfect and some of them were anti-heros. Hell, some of them were villains. Some were even, gasp, Black or other minorities. There is no way to change the narrative of bats and supes but you are right the writers need to come up with better stories. DC lost when they took the humor from supes especially. Wonder Woman? Please. If she ain't hotter than a mfkr nobody cares. You already got Supergirl as a white bread boring ass hero broad. And Gal Gadot ain't hot my brother. Aquaman and/or Namor? Only fish really give a fuck. Although last I checked Namor was crazy as a bag of cats. My point is: supes and bats have gone beyond superheros, they're part of americana and as such their stories by definition have to be severely limited; meaning repetitive and boring.
 
It's Batman. It's Superman. It's Wonder woman. This will make money even if the end result is lack luster.

Obviously, it will! I honestly at this point can't wait for the movie to just come out. The rest of this stuff is just noise. As per usual the same people talking shit will just deny and spin. Don't trip everyone in this thread for example WILL see the movie. BTW, You'll note it's the same people in this thread that keep on pumping this garbage and their rationale makes no sense.

What's further interesting is these articles are suggesting that this thing will make less than MoS and Superman returns...
 
Yes they are too old. They already have backstories and histories that EVERYBODY knows. Everybody, bro. And because they were created in: supes - 1933, bats - 1939, the climate was totally different; man, jim crow was in full effect. They were perfect paragons of white justice. No faults, always right. Marvel characters were created in a time of turmoil - the 60s. They were never perfect and some of them were anti-heros. Hell, some of them were villains. Some were even, gasp, Black or other minorities. There is no way to change the narrative of bats and supes but you are right the writers need to come up with better stories. DC lost when they took the humor from supes especially. Wonder Woman? Please. If she ain't hotter than a mfkr nobody cares. You already got Supergirl as a white bread boring ass hero broad. And Gal Gadot ain't hot my brother. Aquaman and/or Namor? Only fish really give a fuck. Although last I checked Namor was crazy as a bag of cats. My point is: supes and bats have gone beyond superheros, they're part of americana and as such their stories by definition have to be severely limited; meaning repetitive and boring.
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I'm going to judge for myself. Im not giving no fuccs about anything anybody named McWeeny says about anything in life.

You're definitely too wise for this thread. Actually waiting for the movie to come out before passing judgment!

It's strange and honestly something I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around. How do you honestly talk shit about something that no one has seen yet? Seriously, How do you put you foot in that position without being sure that you know what you're talking about before you talk about it?
 
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