The Walking Dead: All Seasons (DON'T POST SPOILERS)

Couple of things. Both Morgan and Carol have flaws in their methodologies.

We know Carol's motivation, She has no one to really live for besides herself and is determined to not be a victim any more. She's loyal to Team Rick but only as means to an end (her own survival). The problem is she making calls beyond her authority. Rick recognized this when he asked her to leave the prison, but since Rick has slid closer to her mindset now, he gonna overlook it. In some ways, Rick is taking his lead from Carol. She's been subtly working him toward overtaking Alexandria since they got there.

Sooner or later she's gonna make a call on something which Team Rick is not gonna stand by her on. There's a reason they showed that whole hospital scene. The intent was to show that "Some people" are worth making the attempt to save, even if the chance is low. Whereas Carol just snuffed that Alexandria kitchen club chick who had gotten stabbed with no hesitation. She's gonna do that on the wrong person someday.

Morgan clearly knows how to defend himself, he's not soft on zombies at all, but he takes chances with other survivors that seem illogical. We don't know his motivation. We know he was completely deranged at one point and he was able to come back from that and become even more capable at the same time. We don't know how yet. His grip on the world is tied to this "new code" he adheres to. I really look forward to learning how he got to this point.

The indefensible action that Morgan took last night was an attempt to take a hostage in the middle of the battle. Strategically, it was the right move because you need to find out where these people are coming from and what their motivation is. Tactically, its dumb to try to hogtie someone safely with a battle ranging around with you. The only reason I can think the writers did that was just to show how ruthless Carol was when she shot dude who was no longer a threat.

His action wasn't indefensible he just did not killed them.
I don't remember them trying to kill him last season but if that is right.....
How can taking a hostage be the right move if he knows them?
Their intentions was clear the minute they start to attack and their motivation is to survive by any means necessary. We see the lengths they will go to achieve that.


I think I was the first to say Morgan was weak when the whole argument about tyrese came up but I will say this....

White ppl have a long history of using violence to construct masculinity/manhood. Some of you adhere to this idea of about "having a soul or empathy" when in reality they see it as a sign of weakness and incompetent to survive.
 
White ppl have a long history of using violence to construct masculinity/manhood. Some of you adhere to this idea of about "having a soul or empathy" when in reality they see it as a sign of weakness and incompetent to survive.

No one was arguing against that. I concur with you the show has underlining racial themes, i said the show is an indictment on how white people see us.

We may disagree to the point where I feel their portrayal is not 100% wrong.
 
Like I said in my original post. the whole "tie a dude up while mass killing are still going on" doesn't make much sense even if he's on some zen shit so I have to assume the writers had an ulterior motive for that.

I'll have to go back and watch those episodes he was in last season and see if I can pick up some hints about what it is exactly Morgan's trying to accomplish.

The show has taught us that making misjudgements about people almost always comes back to bite you (literally), but you also see a case where Glen has allowed the one cowardly dude from Alexandria to live despite trying to kill him and repeated fuckups out on runs. It paid off for him in the last episode.

Definitely some heavy themes around redemption and forgiveness this season.

The guy with Glenn was more of a way to make the guy seem heroic. The scene was not necessary. It was just filler to give that guy a sense of credibility.

I only judge Morgan because his actions were silly. In his first standoff when Carol killed one of the Wolves, he had just seen the guy hack someone to death. The guy in turn states he is going to kill him slowly, and Morgan becomes upset because Carol took him out. Morgan's actions are wreckless because the Wolves are slaughtering people. There is no time to engage in long battles and tie people up. What if he beat the guy and he wakes up to continue slaughtering the people of Alexandria.

As I said before, they are all suffering from some form of PSTD. Many of their actions are pretty horrible even with the survivors. The show's point is that there is no end in sight. Things are never going to be the same... to be continued...
 
It is the fucking zombie apocalypse. Watching your son and wife die and turn is par for the course. All of them are suffering from pstd in one way or another, but Morgan's journey has been one of isolation. His faith in humanity is rooted in that. He hasn't seen the shit that the group experienced. He hasn't formed new bonds and alliances to continually run into a road block. This is basically his first real interaction with a group and in a community in some time. His pacifism is rooted in his experiences with Rick. It is like running into an old love and all you can see is what was and not what is.
You're wrong. Par for the course is death. Not surviving, on your own while maintaining humanity. The show tells us that is actually the exception to the rule. And first and foremost, my post was in response to your sentiment that Morgan had it "easy". Exact opposite. That was an outrageous claim. You are also wrong about his continued isolation. Its been hinted that he has spent significant time with atleast another human being as evidenced by his exchange with Rick when he answers how he learned to use the stick. I also strongly disagree that his pacifism is "rooted" in Rick. I do however, think Rick played a part in motivating him to walk back to the realm of sanity.

The scene at the end of the episode with Carol and Morgan both walking in two different directions on the same street was brimming with symbolism.
Absolutely. A silent exchange that echoed their verbal exchange last episode.

I felt like Morgan knew who the invaders were,the fight scenes show a bit of interaction a lot of talking especially the dude he told about ppl having guns there and he should leave before he dies the dude seemed to know Morgan. What about the girl from the white ford explorer who wound up at Alexandra something is up with that as well
Morgan crossed pathes with them last season when he rescued the gay scout guy.

The show has taught us that making misjudgements about people almost always comes back to bite you (literally), but you also see a case where Glen has allowed the one cowardly dude from Alexandria to live despite trying to kill him and repeated fuckups out on runs. It paid off for him in the last episode.

Definitely some heavy themes around redemption and forgiveness this season.
I also think its about the consequences of decisions and the context of humanity.

The guy with Glenn was more of a way to make the guy seem heroic. The scene was not necessary. It was just filler to give that guy a sense of credibility.
I dont think it had anything to do with bestowing credibility. I just think its further nuance about people, their psyche, decisions, and consequences. Also serves to further define and distinguish the character of Glen.
 
This episode clearly highlights 15 humans are much more dangerous than hundreds of zombies.
You can easily manipulate a large hurd of zombies but humans will figure out your weaknesses and pounce on you immediately and viciously once they got the drop on you with no mercy whatsoever.
 
so now carol is the punisher lol

morgan knows these people he faced them before
 
The black men on this show :smh:

Now Morgan has become a bitch. I bet he's going to be babysitting Judith now.

The episode was dope though.
 
We clearly have more info than the people on the show. The Wolves that were sent are more like the beta's and the alpha's are next.

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We clearly have more info than the people on the show. The Wolves that were sent are more like the beta's and the alpha's are next.

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Seems like scouts. And the rocket scientist let them know they all have those guns. Carol would have ended that shit.

Nice pace for this show and shows it can use human action to 'develop' characters instead of talking for 30 minutes.

If they keep this pace up, the season will be epic.
 
We clearly have more info than the people on the show. The Wolves that were sent are more like the beta's and the alpha's are next.

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They ramping it up gradually so that they can bring in youknowwho in the season finale
 
This season has made up for the slow shit we've seen the past couple of seasons, they said each episode is like a season finale this year...they haven't disappointed!!

This shit is insane! Carol is a beast, Morgan has definitely changed...we need to see his story to better understand it. I think a piece of us were all hoping for the buddy-buddy relationship to still be there, but it's good we're getting this. They've experienced so much since the last split, they're getting to know each other all over again as they said. I hope he sticks around.
I've liked that dude as an actor since Snatch (if you ain't seen it yet, see it. Some of the best cinema in the past 20)

I don't mind Morgan being the way is right now... to a point. Hopefully letting that gun get out won't come back to bite him/them, and hopefully his "All lives matter (:lol:)" philosophy doesn't end up making him Tyrese II.

I want at least one black, male character to be on Rick's level in terms of usefulness and necessity to the group (or at least right hand man level). So far we had T-Dog, Preacher, Tyrese, Bob and Noah.
Aside from Preacher, all were likeable, but none have been allowed to be completely kick ass, take no prisoners. Morgan obviously has the ability, and as some have said, his story goes deeper and they should/probably will go into why his mindset is the way it is these days. The way the writer's have handled black dudes so far though just has me worried about whether or not they'll do him justice before he exits (whenever that may be).
True
Not even putting up a fight

Pleading for their lives and shit

Hiding and shit

Getem the fuck outta here

I'd rather fight on my feet than die on my knees. I ain't beggin a man for shit. Kill me, with a gun, or a knife, but I am not begging man for a gotdamned thing. Psychopaths love that shit. They live on it. THey don't care about your tears or your pleas. I was just talking about this to a coworker today about psychopathic managers who fuck people intentionally
 
Michonne looks like she wanna chop his head off right now....
i dont think they have an idea of the zombie transformation process after they get scratched or bitten.
 
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