I am a black South Carolinian. Here’s why I support the Confederate flag.

South Carolina poised to remove
Confederate flag on Thursday​


The Confederate flag, a symbol of racism for many in the United States and of Southern heritage for others, is set to be removed from South Carolina's state Capitol grounds on Thursday after lawmakers sealed its fate in a late-night session.

The bill to remove the flag, which dates back to the 1861-65 American Civil War, would transfer it to the "relic room" at a military museum in the state capital, Columbia, as soon as midday Thursday.

It passed a third and final vote in the House of Representatives shortly after 1 a.m. Thursday by a hefty margin of 94-20, after 13 hours of at times rancorous debate and stiff opposition from a group of conservative white Republicans.

It has already passed the Senate and now goes to Governor Nikki Haley who has said she will sign it into law.

Haley posted a statement on her official Facebook page early Thursday saying: "it is a new day in South Carolina, a day we can all be proud of, a day that truly brings us all together as we continue to heal, as one people and one state."​



http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/09/us-usa-confederate-idUSKCN0PG1KQ20150709



 
South Carolina poised to remove
Confederate flag on Thursday​



The Confederate flag, a symbol of racism for many in the United States and of Southern heritage for others, is set to be removed from South Carolina's state Capitol grounds on Thursday after lawmakers sealed its fate in a late-night session.

The bill to remove the flag, which dates back to the 1861-65 American Civil War, would transfer it to the "relic room" at a military museum in the state capital, Columbia, as soon as midday Thursday.

It passed a third and final vote in the House of Representatives shortly after 1 a.m. Thursday by a hefty margin of 94-20, after 13 hours of at times rancorous debate and stiff opposition from a group of conservative white Republicans.

It has already passed the Senate and now goes to Governor Nikki Haley who has said she will sign it into law.

Haley posted a statement on her official Facebook page early Thursday saying: "it is a new day in South Carolina, a day we can all be proud of, a day that truly brings us all together as we continue to heal, as one people and one state."​

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/09/us-usa-confederate-idUSKCN0PG1KQ20150709





On a somewhat of a side note: how does this impact on the 2016 election season?
 
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:hmm:... Boy, sum people will do anything to fit in!!! The said thing is, there's many like him!! They show what they think during times like this!! Or they never show who they are!! My advice, don't assume every brotha or sista is down with the cause!!
 


“The idea that the Civil War was about states’ rights . . .
it’s become so general in the public.
That misconception has influenced everything from textbooks
to movies, which reinforce the public’s ignorance.

“There are school board members who believe it,
teachers who believe it . . .”

For historians, however, there is little question that slavery
was the driving factor in sparking secession
and later the war.
Teaching history incorrectly . . . allows people to justify
supporting the Confederacy without addressing related questions of racism.


“If you don’t understand what the Civil War was about, you don’t
have anything to argue against <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">Confederate nationalism</span>.

[which is]
It’s <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">an erasure of African-Americans in the South by
saying the Confederacy was the South. It’s creating
a Southern identity as a white identity.”
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- Edward Sebesta, researcher an editor of “Neo-Confederacy: A Critical Introduction.”


Read more here: Confronting myths about causes of the Civil War


http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article27527029.html#storylink=cpy
 
source: Right Wing News

Black Man in Oklahoma Waving a Confederate Flag at Obama Says Flag is NOT Racist


As President Obama’s motorcade flew by in various communities in Oklahoma this week, dozens of supporters of the Confederate flag waved their civil war banners at him. Interestingly, one of the organizers of a Confederate flag rally was a black man and he says that the flag isn’t racist.

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Oklahoma City, OK resident Andrew Duncomb, an African American, helped organize the Confederate flag rally. And according to him the CS flag isn’t about racism.

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Supporters of the confederate flag have their own message to send to President Obama.
In Durant, Okla. Wednesday morning, trucks lined up awaiting his arrival, and now supporters are in Bricktown.
Supporters want to let the President know the Confederate flag, they say, stands for heritage, not hate. The organizer of the event is someone you might not expect to see standing behind this cause.
It is a red, white and blue that, for many, carries a message of hate… but that’s not the point these folks want to get across.
“We don’t believe it’s a symbol of racism,” Andrew Duncomb, an organizer in Oklahoma City who calls himself “the Black Rebel” says.
“Hell, I’m just out here supporting my flag, not racists, I don’t want no [sic] problems with anybody,” a supporter said.
An interesting perspective, isn’t it?
 
source: Daily Mail


Black Mississippi Confederate flag supporter dies after rally when 'car full of jeering African American men forced him off the road'



  • Anthony Hervey, 49, was chased by a group of men while driving home from an Alabama flag rally when the car flipped
  • The passenger, Arlene Barnum, said they were pursued by a group of young black men while en route back to Mississippi on Sunday
  • Barnum posted to Facebook while still pinned inside the vehicle: 'HELP.. They after us. My vehicle inside down'

A black Mississippi man who often dressed in Confederate regalia to support the state flag has died in a one-car accident.

The Highway Patrol says 49-year-old Anthony Hervey was killed Sunday when the 2005 Ford Explorer he was driving left the roadway and overturned on Mississippi Highway 6 in Lafayette County.

A passenger in Harvey's car, Arlene Barnum, tells The Associated Press that Hervey swerved and crashed after another vehicle carrying four or five young black men pulled up alongside them, yelling and looking angry.

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Dead: Anthony Hervey, a Mississippi man well-known in his community for his support of the Confederate flag, has died after a car crash before which a surviving passenger says they were chased by a car load of heckling young black men

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Survivor: Arlene Barnum (left), Hervey's (right) fellow black supporter of the Confederate flag, said they were chased following a rally in Alabama while en route home to Mississippi

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'It spun like crazy and we flipped, flipped, flipped. It was awful,' Barnum said

Barnum said Hervey yelled something back at the other vehicle before losing control and crashing.

'It spun like crazy and we flipped, flipped, flipped. It was awful,' she said.

She said she gave that account to a Mississippi state trooper when she was taken to a hospital after the accident.

In the moments following the crash, Barnum was apparently able to post to Facebook, where she wrote:

'HELP.. They after us. My vehicle inside down.'

Shortly after, Barnum posted again:

'Anthony Hervy pinned in ., gas leaking.'

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Pinned inside: Barnun was able to post to Facebook while still inside the car prior to her rescue

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Barnum told the McAlester News-Capital that she wasn't particularly well acquainted with her fellow black Confederate flag supporter, but that she'd let him drive her truck.

'I didn't know him, really,' Barham said of Hervey. 'I gave him a ride to the rally.'

The Mississippi Highway Patrol did not immediately respond to an Associated Press query asking if officials are investigating Barnum's account.

Mississippi Highway Patrol spokesman Johnny Poulos said Monday in a written statement that no other details of the accident will be available until accident reconstruction experts have had a chance to take a look at the evidence.

Barnum said she and Hervey had been returning home Sunday from Birmingham, Alabama, where they attended a Saturday rally to save the Linn Park Confederate Monument. City leaders there recently voted to remove the memorial from the park.

Barnum said they were in her SUV, which was not displaying any Confederate flags or stickers.

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Back to Mississippi: Barnum and Hervey had been at an Alabama rally held in support of the Confederate flag over the weekend. The accident occurred while they were en route back to Mississippi, where the acquaintances called separate towns home

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Barnum told reporters that she had no idea whether she and Hervey were followed back to Mississippi from the rally

She said she had no idea whether they had been followed from Birmingham.

Hervey, of Oxford, has drawn attention over the years for opposing efforts to change the flag. He said he dressed in Rebel soldier garb to honor blacks who served with the Confederacy during the Civil War. He was often seen often wearing the Confederate uniform and waving a Rebel flag on the Oxford square.

In an interview with the Associated Press in 2001 after a new state flag design was defeated, Hervey said Mississippians' support of the flag with a Confederate battle emblem in the corner is akin to 'standing up for home.'

'This is not racism. This is my heritage,' Hervey said.

Hervey was also the author of a book titled Why I Wave the Confederate Flag, Written by a Black Man.

The book's description runs, in part:

'What makes this book dangerous is its raw honesty. Mr. Hervey lifts the veil of Black decadence at the same time he exposes the lies and political correctness of modern day America.

'WHY I WAVE THE CONFEDERATE FLAG'

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Anthony Hervey was well known as his town's vocal and visible black supporter of the Confederate Flag.

In 2006, the Oxford man even published a book explaining his reasoning, the description for which reads:

Congress shall make no law respecting and establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom if speech, or of the press;or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

This book is about truth and passion.

What makes this book dangerous is its raw honesty. Mr. Hervey lifts the veil of Black decadence at the same time he exposes the lies and political correctness of modern day America. Mr. Hervey said 'I show that the Civil War was not fought over slavery and that the demise of my race in America is not of the White man, but rather of our own making. In this book I show how Blacks in America ran away from physical bondage to one far worse-- mental bondage.'

A percentage of the proceeds of the sale of this book will aid Mr. Hervey in his legal defense for his false imprisonment and a percentage will be donated to the preservation of Southern Heritage. A financial contribution will be given to the victims of Katrina both Black and White.

Source: Amazon

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In the moments following the crash, Barnum was apparently able to post to Facebook, where she wrote:

'HELP.. They after us. My vehicle inside down.'

Shortly after, Barnum posted again:

'Anthony Hervy pinned in ., gas leaking.'


So she posted to Facebook before calling for help. Sad. :confused::(:smh:

Why do the title states that they were forced off the road but in the story it states that he lost control after yelling back at the guys.
 
Damn right

So what happened at Emanuel did not change the flag's meaning; it only made that meaning harder to ignore. And while its fall is significant, you have to wonder if it really marks a fundamental change in the mind of the white, conservative South. Particularly since you can't turn around in Dixie without running into some road, bridge, statue or park honoring some individual who took up arms against the U.S. government in the name of perpetuating slavery - or without meeting someone eager to rationalize that, hiding behind abstracts like "honor" and "duty" to avoid admitting what the Confederacy really was.


The tragedy at Emanuel has forced a moment of clarity into this fog of cognitive dissonance
 
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Sometimes black support of the Confederate flag is a family affair. That was certainly the case on Saturday, Aug. 1, 2015, when Freya Powell of southwest Atlanta (red shirt) drove to Stone Mountain Park with her nephews — Jacody Terry, 4, and Larrese Clayton, 8 — and her goddaughter, Karen Edwards, to support the battle flag during a rally that drew hundreds to the world's largest Confederate monument. Powell said her nephews wanted to know what all the fuss was about. "They asked, 'Aunty, why do they want to move the flags? We like them,'" Powell said. A history buff, Powell finds the recent controversy over all things Confederate odd. “I’ve been coming to Stone Mountain for 40 years and never encountered one problem,” she said, holding a Confederate flag bumper sticker. “We don’t believe the flag represents racism. Stone Mountain is history. The person who wants to blast the carvings off the mountain is someone who wants to eradicate history."

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The late Mr. Hervey found a kindred spirit in Marcus Daniels. Dressed in the traditional battle uniform of a Confederate soldier, Marcus Daniels stood at attention on Saturday, Jan. 20, 2001, prior to posting colors at the annual Lee-Jackson Banquet hosted by the Sons of Confederate Veterans in Leland, Miss. Daniels had accompanied Hervey.

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But the most prolific black defender of Confederate heritage, at least in terms of appearances, is H.K. Edgerton, a former NAACP leader from North Carolina. Here he is in front of the South Carolina Statehouse grounds in Columbia, engaged in an intense moment on July 10, 2015, when emotions ran high, both pro and con, over South Carolina's removal of the battle flag from Capitol grounds.

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H.K. Edgerton gets a hug and a smile from the same woman who was once all up in his face in front of the South Carolina Statehouse grounds on July 10, 2015, in Columbia. What is the basis of Edgerton's passion for the Confederate flag? His website, Southern Heritage 411.com, asserts that during the Civil War, there were thousands of blacks "who served willingly as Confederate soldiers and almost four million other blacks who stayed on the farms, plantations and factories in the South of their own free will. These blacks supported the Confederate army by supplying them with food and supplies." It goes on to argue that "blacks living in the United States today ... have a right to be proud of their ancestors' service to the South. The Confederate Battle Flag is their flag also."

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H.K. Edgerton held the Third National Flag of the Confederacy 1865 during a visit to Stone Mountain Cemetery in Stone Mountain, Ga., on April 26, 2000, in observance of Confederate Memorial Day.

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H.K. Edgerton, flanked by Fred Adolphus on the left and Richard L. Palmer on the right, led the way to Stone Mountain City Hall along Main Street on April 26, 2000, to protest the taking down of their flag pole in Stone Mountain Cemetery. His sign states what Edgerton believes Confederate flags represent: heritage, not hate.

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H.K. Edgerton holds the Third National Flag of the Confederacy 1865 as he speaks in Stone Mountain on April 26, 2000, about having more issues with the Stars and Stripes than with Confederate flags.
 
source: The Daily Beast

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The Myth of the Black Confederate Soldier

Lost Cause fanatics—including a handful of African Americans—insist that thousands of blacks fought for the Confederacy. Nothing in the historical record supports that claim.

On Sunday July 19, 2015 Anthony Hervey was killed while driving home on Mississippi’s Highway 6 after attending a rally in Birmingham, Alabama to protest the city council’s decision to remove a Confederate monument in Linn Park.

A fellow passenger who survived the crash claimed that she and Hervey were being pursued by another vehicle containing four or five black men. The accident is under investigation, but given recent decisions at the state and local level to remove Confederate flags and monuments and the resulting conflicts witnessed recently, the reported cause of the crash may not come as a surprise. What may surprise readers is that Anthony Hervey was African-American.

Hervey was one of a very small but vocal group of African-American men and women who identify closely with a narrative of the Civil War that celebrates the Confederacy. These so-called “Black Confederates” have been embraced by heritage organizations such as the Sons of Confederate Veterans (SCV) and United Daughters of the Confederacy (UDC). In the wake of the South Carolina shootings, they have been front and center in a campaign that dates back to the late ’70s to convince the general public that thousands of free and enslaved blacks fought as soldiers in the Confederate army.

A resident of Oxford, Mississippi, Hervey was no stranger to the often contentious debates surrounding the display of the Confederate flag and other iconography. In 2000 he led protests to keep the Confederate flag flying atop the statehouse in Columbia, South Carolina and closer to home, challenged the University of Mississippi’s attempt to replace its mascot, “Colonel Reb” and ban the singing of “Dixie” during football games.

Hervey was often seen wearing a Confederate uniform and carrying a large flag in front of Oxford’s soldier statue. Among his many signs could be read: “White Guilt=Black Genocide,” “The Welfare State Has Destroyed My People,” and “Please! Do Not Hire Me Because I Am Black.” According to Hervey, it is the policies of the federal government that have fueled suspicion and deepened the racial divide in the South. In his final speech in Birmingham, just before his fatal accident, Hervey said, “I don’t like black people. I don’t like white people… but I love the hell out of me some Southerners.”

It should be no surprise that Hervey’s outspokenness in support of the Confederacy and his conservative politics endeared him to crowds at pro-Confederate heritage rallies.

Others like honorary SCV member H.K. Edgerton of North Carolina—arguably the most visible pro-Confederate African-American—also appeared at rallies throughout the South following the shootings. A one-time president of Asheville’s chapter of the NAACP, in 2002-03 Edgerton walked 1,600 miles with the flag and in full Confederate uniform from North Carolina to Texas in opposition to government policies that divide the races and in support of Confederate heritage.

At the time of his walk Edgerton asserted, “If we Southerners don’t stand together we will lose our culture, heritage, religion and region to outsiders who sadly have no appreciation of the unique culture of being Southern.”

In Virginia, Karen Cooper has maintained a close relationship with the Virginia Flaggers, which organized in 2011 to protest the removal of the Confederate flag at the “Old Soldiers’ Home” in Richmond on the grounds of the Virginia Museum of Fine Arts.

Originally from New York and a former member of the Nation of Islam, Cooper identifies closely with her new home and with Confederate heritage. She was introduced to the Virginia Flaggers through her involvement in the tea party and quickly found a home for her views on limited government and her strong stand against a welfare state that she believes has seriously harmed the black community.

As for the history of slavery in the South, Cooper brushes it aside as having existed throughout human history and, curiously, that for every individual it was “a choice.”

All three believe that racial unrest in the modern South and the recent divide over Confederate flags and monuments is the result of failed government policies and a false view of the history of the Confederacy. In their view, it was the Confederacy’s embrace of states rights and its own steps toward the recruitment of thousands of black Confederate soldiers that offered the promise of racial unity and equality. The willingness of all three to don Confederate uniforms and/or wave the flag offers a powerful visual reminder for those who continue to embrace a Lost Cause narrative of the Civil War—a narrative that rejects the preservation of slavery as the central goal of the Confederate experiment in independence in favor of a scenario wherein loyal black soldiers stood by their masters on the battlefield.

In their initial statement following the violent murder of nine black Charlestonians while attending Bible study at Emmanuel AME Church and the publication of photographs of Dylann Roof holding the Confederate flag, the South Carolina Division, SCV offered the following reminder:

“Historical fact shows there were Black Confederate soldiers. These brave men fought in the trenches beside their White brothers, all under the Confederate Battle Flag. This same Flag stands as a memorial to these soldiers on the grounds of the SC Statehouse today. The Sons of Confederate Veterans, a historical honor society, does not delineate which Confederate soldier we will remember or honor. We cherish and revere the memory of all Confederate veterans. None of them, Black or White, shall be forgotten.”

The SCV offered this argument not only to stem the tide of calls to lower the Confederate flag in Columbia, but to suggest that the flag has nothing at all to do with racial divisions in South Carolina. Since black men fought willingly for the Confederacy, the argument runs, the preservation of slavery and white supremacy could not have been its goal. The Confederate flag—properly understood—ought to unite black and white South Carolinians. According to the SCV, Roof’s violent act and close identification with the Confederate flag was the product of the “deranged mind of a horrendous individual.”

What few people appear to be aware of is that the black Confederate narrative is a fairly recent phenomenon. The proliferation of these stories and the zeal for the black Confederate soldier expressed by many would be alien to their Confederate ancestors, who lived under a constitution strongly devoted to protecting if not extending slavery. It was not until March 1865—after a contentious debate that took place throughout the Confederacy—that the Confederate Congress passed legislation authorizing the enlistment of slaves who were first freed by their masters. Even those who finally came to support the legislation as the only alternative to defeat would have agreed with Howell Cobb: “If slaves will make good soldiers our whole theory of slavery is wrong.” Other than a small number that briefly trained in Richmond, Virginia, no black men served openly and there is no evidence that the Richmond recruits saw the battlefield in the final weeks of the war.

Throughout the postwar period and much of the 20th century, stories of loyal black Confederate soldiers were decidedly absent. This changed in 1977 following the release and success of the popular television series Roots. At the time, the leadership within the SCV expressed concern over how the institution of slavery and race relations were portrayed in the film as well as the Confederacy itself.

SCV Commander in Chief Dean Boggs called on members to research the contributions of African Americans to the Confederate war effort to counter the series’s “propaganda.” Boggs claimed that, “Politics often ignores the truth, and the truth is that the majority of Southern Negroes, slave and free, sided [with] the Confederate effort tremendously. Some were under arms and in combat.” Both the SCV and UDC made a concerted effort to expand their membership to include African Americans by decorating the graves of former slaves who were present in the army in one of many supportive roles such as camp servants.

Broader interpretive shifts in the decades since Roots and a willingness to explore slavery, race, emancipation, and the service of United States Colored Troops at museums, historic sites, in history textbooks, at National Parks, and in popular movies such as Glory, 12 Years a Slave, and Lincoln, has magnified the importance of the black Confederate narrative for the SCV and others committed to a mythical past. The result is that it has become more and more difficult to remember the Confederacy without coming to terms with the overwhelming evidence pointing to the preservation of slavery and white supremacy as its central goal.

The Internet largely fuels confusion today about the history of slavery and the role of slaves in the Confederacy. A recent search of “Black Confederate” yielded just over a hundred thousand matches. Many of these sites are cut and pasted from one another and offer little in the way of serious analysis.

Misinformation abounds. In 2010 a Virginia history textbook, Our Virginia: Past and Present, authored by Joy Masoff, included the claim that “thousands of Southern blacks fought in Confederate ranks, including two battalions under the command of Stonewall Jackson.” When asked for the source of this claim, Masoff admitted it had been discovered online after conducting a simple search. Today it is impossible to find a reputable historian who subscribes to this history.

Confederate heritage organizations know all too well that with the increased calls to remove flags and monuments throughout the South, “Black Confederate” activists such as H.K Edgerton, Anthony Hervey, and Karen Cooper are essential to their survival. Together they will continue to fight the battles of the past and present by rallying around a mythical interracial army and encouraging one another even as an increasing number of Americans work through the tough questions that our Civil War has left us 150 years later.

Kevin M. Levin is a historian and educator based in Boston. He is the author of Remembering the Battle of the Crater: War as Murder (2012) and is currently at work on Searching For Black Confederate Soldiers: The Civil War’s Most Persistent Myth. You can find him online at Civil War Memory and Twitter @kevinlevin.
 
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