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Was Jesus Gay?
July 6, 2015
by Jules Suzdaltsev


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After the Supreme Court's historic ruling on gay marriage, it seemed like all the proudly homophobic Christians came out of the woodwork to talk about how much they still hate gay people. As a straight Jew, the homophobia amongst Jesus's followers has always struck me as a bit of a surprise: Worshipping at the feet of a ripped, hung man, seems at least a little homoerotic. But it's Jesus himself who lights up my gaydar like a Christmas tree. He's a skinny young otter-like guy, flocked by a mess of dudes, telling everyone to love and care about each other, who later gets the shit beaten out of him by a bunch of closed-minded conservatives who are terrified of change.

As it turns out, this is not a unique theory. Dr. Reverend Bob Shore-Goss, an openly gay senior pastor, has written several books on the subject, including Queering Christ and Jesus ACTED UP: A Gay and Lesbian Manifesto. He holds a doctorate degree in Comparative Religion from Harvard, and he serves on the National Advisory Board of the Center for Lesbian and Gay Studies in Religion. Oh, and he believes that Jesus was gay. I got in touch with Reverend Goss, who laid out the Biblical evidence and explained how his theory plays out.

VICE: Was Jesus Christ gay?

Bob Shore-Goss: I would hope he is. I would project that he is. For my own spirituality, I would love to jump into bed with Jesus. At the very least, Jesus was queer. That is to say: He broke the rules of his culture, of heteronormativity. He subverted masculinities and gender codes in his culture. Queer doesn't necessarily mean sexual orientation, but it can include that. St. Paul, I would say, would probably be described as a closeted homosexual today, but they didn't have those words at the time.

How was homosexuality perceived in Jesus's time?

There was no concept of sexual orientation, but there was a concept of gender. So, in the Bible, when a man sleeps with another man like with a woman, it's an abomination. See, the emphasis is on a man betraying his status: He has feminized himself. So it's a gender violation as opposed to a sexual violation. The code of masculinity is very strong in the ancient world. Now, homoerotic relationships in the ancient world are really common, especially in the Greek and Roman worlds.

Does Jesus himself ever address that?

As a matter of fact, one of Jesus's miracles is the healing the Centurion's boy. It's in Matthew and Luke. Matthew uses the word "pais"— you get the word pederasty from it, it means youth— to describe this boy, who is essentially a concubine to the Centurian. It's an erotic relationship. He comes to Jesus and asks for his boy to be healed. And Jesus asks if he should heal him, and he says, "I'm not worthy that you should come under my roof, but say the word and my boy will be healed." Jesus says about the faith of the Centurion, who is in a homoerotic relationship, that "there is no greater faith than I've encountered in Israel."

What's great about that is that every time you go to communion on Sunday, millions of Catholics say, "Lord, I'm not worthy to receive you, but only say the word and I shall be healed." They're uttering this homoerotic phrase that was uttered by a Centurion in an actual homosexual relationship with a youth.
We've just sanitized that and forgotten those sort of things in the meantime. But a church of the second century would understand that this is a homosexual relationship and it wasn't a big deal.



So what evidence is there in the bible of Jesus's homosexuality?

There's hints of it, and then there's readings into it. The hints come from John's Gospel with the "beloved disciple." He and Jesus have an intimate relationship, although there are questions as to who the disciple actually is. Anyhow, the beloved disciple is lying on the chest of Jesus at the last supper and is supposedly in his "inner tunic," which is what we would call underwear today. It's a very intimate gesture, and it's a special gesture of affection between the two.

I would imagine Jesus loved all of his disciples, I mean he told everyone to love their neighbor. So, singling out a particular person as "beloved" seems significant.

Yes. Jesus only calls one other person beloved and it is Lazarus. There was also an excerpt that was discovered in the 1960s by a professor of history and ancient studies, Morton Smith, a very good scholar. He found an inscription that hints at a secret gospel, that people are dating back to sometime in the late part of the first century. There is a fragment that describes a naked boy who comes to Jesus very late, and spends the night for an "initiation." The fragment has been disputed, of course. But what this has to say is that there was some sort of homoerotic relationship, a love relationship.

It seems that, like anything else in the Bible, you can draw your own conclusions, including that Jesus was gay. I mean, he's this queer figure, never married—

That is actually significant. Jesus was a rabbi, a teacher, and pretty much every rabbi at the time was married. But there's no testimony of Jesus's marriage. There are some interesting theories, Jesus could have been bisexual and carried on a relationship with Mary Magdalene and the beloved disciple. Perhaps he was intersex or trans, because he was born without a father, and therefore was born female and took on the phenotype of a male. Virginia Mollenkott argues that in her book, Omnigender. It's a fun sort of argument. What I'm saying is that people see this as really important. I once had a lesbian student tell me, "Jesus wasn't gay, he was perfect." So what does that say about how she views her sexuality? The Catholic position says that Jesus is perfect, so therefore he is intrinsically good and intrinsically ordered. Now what they say about gays is we are intrinsically evil and intrinsically disordered. Even evangelicals will say that Jesus was perfect so that, in order to be saved for evangelicals, you must be heterosexual to be saved.

But if Jesus was gay, and he was perfect, then really it's only the gay people that are going to heaven, right? That's so deliciously ironic.

You know, I think there's a greater picture about how universal Jesus is. Jesus had sexuality. I used to think that everything about Jesus was perfect. Then in my first year of school, I was reading a book by John A.T. Robinson, an Anglican bishop and New Testament scholar, The Human Face of God, and there was a little footnote there that really disturbed me. It said that Jesus farted. And I said, "Oh my god!" And then I thought, Well, OK. He was human. And that led to, "If he was also human, did he have an erection at night? Did he have a nocturnal emission? All males experience that." So that was kind of an eroding of my sort of Catholic fundamentals around Jesus. And I went the next step by saying, "Was Jesus sexual?" And then, "With whom?" Then I thought, "Does it really matter?" And I think it does.

If Jesus was fully human, he must have been fully erotic. That would mean that sexuality was a positive thing, because we need to reclaim the fact that sexuality is a great and good thing, whatever sexuality that you are. So, you see where I'm coming from? I want to say that all sexualities are an original blessing because we're made in the image of God.

What I'm getting from this the most is that Jesus, as a queer human individual, could at least relate to the struggle of gay men—feeling like outcasts, having violence perpetrated on them for their queerness, whatever it may be.

Yeah, I'd say that you're absolutely on solid ground with your statement.

Even if Jesus wasn't gay, I imagine he'd certainly feel more kinship with the minority of homosexuals than the heteronormative Christians who preach hate.

It's funny, because fundamentalists go back and misread these things and get hysterical about it because they do not understand the historical context. They misuse it and they misrepresent their own ideology. And often times they're vehement about it because they have so much internalized homophobia, which indicates to me that they have those same attractions to the same sex that they need to stamp them out in other people. Jesus was not a fundamentalist. He's not a literalist. He spoke in parables and metaphor and story.

Was Jesus a top or a bottom?

Versatile.


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The artists who painted white Jesus(Serapis) always painted him being around boys.
 
Jesus WAS gay and the OP IS gay.

I don't follow Jesus.

But here's a question for the Christians...

If Jesus returned and said for the next 7 years y'all need to prove your faith and devotion by sucking dicks through the tribulation, would/could you say no?

I mean, he works in mysterious ways and shit. He always has a plan. He is the source of morality... And on what grounds would you reject this test of your faith? Seems like anybody who submits to the authority of a being like this, is merely one request away from being a homo any way... You guys would eat Jesus's ass if he asked you to.
 
Michael Angelo, used one of his lovers Ceazar Bosier, as the model for Jesus when he was commissioned to repaint the faces of the divinities and the Sistine Chapel. He also used his aunt, uncle and nephew. Prior to that Yosef, was always painted as a Black man as the religion was founded by Kushites. Yosef was born in a cave in what is now called Ethiopia.

Here is a pope in his private quarters.


Here are two more popes having a meet and pray.


Notice there is no white devil Jesus on the wall? They ain't trying to go to hell. :lol::lol::lol::lol:
 
If so, why was John his beloved and not James?

because he had a better relationship with John. like a lot of brothers do.

and let me add, Joseph, Joses (John) and Jude were his brothers named, there were more that werent named.

you admit you dont follow the scripture, but want to be disrespectful about discussing it.

why not just leave it alone?
 
Jesus was not a real person. Stop this madness.

The question isn't meant for you, then.

I want to see just one Christian answer honestly.

"Jesus wouldn't ask me to do such a thing!"

But his Father would ask you to sacrifice your child? :rolleyes:

Answer the question, Christians.
 
because he had a better relationship with John. like a lot of brothers do.

and let me add, Joseph, Joses (John) and Jude were his brothers named, there were more that werent named.

you admit you dont follow the scripture, but want to be disrespectful about discussing it.

why not just leave it alone?
Depends on your definition of follow. I'm up on it, more than the vast majority of Christians.

Do I follow it in the "I'd follow Jesus's instructions and eat his ass if he came back and said so" sense? No.

It may be profane but there is a clear and valid point, if you can get past being offended to discern it.
 
This is like asking about Santa Clause, what the fuck you expect to accomplish. There is no right answer about a fictional character.
 
This is like asking about Santa Clause, what the fuck you expect to accomplish. There is no right answer about a fictional character.
When I was five, my mother asked me "Do you really believe a fat white man sees everything you do-- along with every other kid-- keeps notes on it and travels all around the world in one night leaving gifts for the billions of people on this planet? How would he even get into this apartment?"

I, at five, found the right answer about that fictional character.
 
Michael Angelo, used one of his lovers Ceazar Bosier, as the model for Jesus when he was commissioned to repaint the faces of the divinities and the Sistine Chapel. He also used his aunt, uncle and nephew. Prior to that Yosef, was always painted as a Black man as the religion was founded by Kushites. Yosef was born in a cave in what is now called Ethiopia.

Here is a pope in his private quarters.


Here are two more popes having a meet and pray.


Notice there is no white devil Jesus on the wall? They ain't trying to go to hell. :lol::lol::lol::lol:

I thought it was Yashua, but Yosef sounds like its headed

in the right direction.

as opposed to some damn gay roman named jesus...
 
The question isn't meant for you, then.

I want to see just one Christian answer honestly.

"Jesus wouldn't ask me to do such a thing!"

But his Father would ask you to sacrifice your child? :rolleyes:

Answer the question, Christians.

God's nature is defined in the scripture, and no He would not ask His followers to defile their bodies when He already commanded them to honor their bodies. so it cannot be God asking that question.

the angel that asked Abraham to sacrifice Isaac did it fully expecting to save Isaac, which he did. that was to illustrate to us that we can trust God.

why are you misrepresenting the scripture?
 
God's nature is defined in the scripture, and no He would not ask His followers to defile their bodies when He already commanded them to honor their bodies. so it cannot be God asking that question.

the angel that asked Abraham to sacrifice Isaac did it fully expecting to save Isaac, which he did. that was to illustrate to us that we can trust God.

why are you misrepresenting the scripture?

That order was given despite the commandment not to kill. (One of the 10 Commandments, none of which condemn any form of sexuality other than adultery and coveting that which is your neighbors.)

I never spoke on Jesus's intention. Maybe Jesus would ask you to suck dicks through the tribulation for the next seven years fully expecting to to call you up from your knees as soon as you open your mouth, to illustrate to us that we can trust God.

Would you comply with Jesus's command?
 
That order was given despite the commandment not to kill. (One of the 10 Commandments, none of which condemn any form of sexuality other than adultery and coveting that which is your neighbors.)

okay, your lack of education is beyond ridiculous. there were no commandments when Abraham lived.

Abraham lived FOUR generations BEFORE Moses, the giver of the commandments (which werent really 10).

the rest of the Mosaic laws speak on sexual sin.

I never spoke on Jesus's intention. Maybe Jesus would ask you to suck dicks through the tribulation for the next seven years fully expecting to to call you up from your knees as soon as you open your mouth, to illustrate to us that we can trust God.

Would you comply with Jesus's command?

Jesus cannot ask anyone to sin, as it is not his nature. your question is flawed, based on your willful desire to be blasphemous, disrespectful, and an all around asshole.

y'all really need to stop playing with stuff you dont understand.
 
okay, your lack of education is beyond ridiculous. there were no commandments when Abraham lived.

Abraham lived FOUR generations BEFORE Moses, the giver of the commandments (which werent really 10).

the rest of the Mosaic laws speak on sexual sin.

Is your argument that the principles of the commandments did not exist before Moses? And God would not or could not have given such an order after Moses?

How about I just grant you that, even though it is ridiculous. What of this order, given after Moses?

"This is what the LORD Almighty says:

'I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.'"


1 Samuel 15:2-3​

Jesus cannot ask anyone to sin, as it is not his nature. your question is flawed, based on your willful desire to be blasphemous, disrespectful, and an all around asshole.

y'all really need to stop playing with stuff you dont understand.

But it was in God's nature to ask a parent to kill his child? And to command mass infanticide and genocide (without saying "Just kidding")?

I think you should stop jumping through hoops to avoid answering the question because you are not being consistent-- or honest.

You can accept that God would command the killing of babies but you refuse to entertain a hypothetical about oral sex. :smh:
 
BdB knows i dont believe in that christ stuff but yall need to realize this is weird ass cac Constanza's way of talking about gay shit
 
When I was five, my mother asked me "Do you really believe a fat white man sees everything you do-- along with every other kid-- keeps notes on it and travels all around the world in one night leaving gifts for the billions of people on this planet? How would he even get into this apartment?"

I, at five, found the right answer about that fictional character.

You said yes mom, my dad isn't here all the time time but when he is he crawls in to bed and and says shhhh son this is what daddy's do.
 
Jesus was not gay. But at the time was the only real man in the world. The same today as it was then. The main reason why they fear the black male is there is always a chance for a black male to fall thru the cracks of white supremacy (devil rule) and actually overcome this white man's world. There is no way a grown man can tell another grown man what to do unless he controls him. I do not care if it is the president, Rothchild, etc.

The reality of the GARDEN OF EDEN is what the world has been programmed against. The power has always been in the hands of the ones that help to destroy how life was in the GARDEN OF EDEN. There was only blacks on the face of the earth. Now that which was grafted from us, must be exposed in order to save the world.

If people could see the whole programming of Jonestown, they would see what is meant by a white man's world. Jim Jones had everyone to call him father. And he told his followers that he will be their God until they realize they are God. And that he was the only heterosexual on the planet. Every body else is gays and lesbians. If the men and women had sex with each other, it was just compensation for helping the church.

America and the world is based off of this same programming. Jonestown in itself was a mind control experiment and an experiment on how to infiltrate black organizations. The notes and files from Jonestown is kept secret from the public. Everybody there had to be killed upon exterminating the program temporarily.

We were all born in a foundation that was built just like the foundation of Jonestown. Some things are hide from the naked eye in order to fool the subconscious mind. And for us black males we are God.
They claimed Jesus spoke of the father. Me myself believe that they put that in their because of a black man becoming himself and they want to claim that he did that because of a white father in him. I tell you Jesus uncovered and proved the same truths that I live by and preach myself. They got rid of him and then confused everything all over again. This time they will not be able to confuse the truth once I uncover it and prove it.

I tell you until a black man overcomes this white man's world, then and then only will there be any growth and development for the truth and black people. I could say more. But where is the real start of growth and development for truth. Whites have killed every real prophet that has tried to bring them and the world the truth. Including Elijah Muhammad and Martin L. King.

http://oneblacknation.webs.com/

http://blacknation.vpweb.com/default.html

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