in this case i just think comic movies should be done by people who love the comics. give her something else to direct.. how bout an actual black panther movie about you know...the real ones?
Movie News: Marvel Reportedly Wants Ava DuVernay To Direct Superhero Movie
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I kind of sort of agree with Bills point there. Let her direct a marvel comedic book. Or something street level. Powerman Ironfist. Something like that. Spidergirl.
I'm not trying to be a cheerleader for her but I disagree...
why shouldn't she get a shot?
I'm NOT saying set her up to fail but its VERY common and has become essentially a Marvel trademark to go with with the best talent and then try to pair them accordingly.
And collaboration throughout.
And she is a very good director.
We are NOT even sure WHAT property she would/could direct if any.
NO ONE and I mean NO ONE thought Spike Lee would do such a good job on Inside Man.
Like I said earlier Daredevil had a director from Mad Men...
I don't remember Don Draper fighting through a phalanx of Russian mobsters to get to the boardroom?
BUT the drama the emotion the tension...is all Mad Men.
Bills can right drama action and comedy.
But most would only go by his BGOL Game of Thrones and think he couldn't write serious drama.
Jay Dade can write a 4 page Boyd Crowder speech...
my point is I agree that she has to be paired properly with the material but that doesn't mean we should automatically say she COULDN'T do Black Panther per se.
Although I wouldn't want her to do that....
I'm a very harsh critic on who gets to direct the things i've loved since i was 6 yrs old. Without a shadow of a doubt i do not believe if you don't love comics. If you don't understand comics. If you don't understand the characters. You should not be making a comic movie. This is what i'm saying.
In the thread about Joss Whedon quitting. And the Ultron thread i said it. He makes great shit because he knows what it takes. He knows if WE love it? The rest of the people will love it. Joss wrote comics. Joss knows what we the fans want to see because HE'S A FAN.
He knows all the little shit to put in a movie to characterize and to do action because he knows what WE the FANS know.
I'm TELLIN you if she gets picked to do a big time movie Capt Marvel. Black Panther.. It will be bad. She doesn't love the characters. Jon Favreau loved Iron Man. Why do you think it was so good? Corporation fucked up Iron Man 2. Not Fav. Fav wanted to make a totally different movie. Marvel fucked up that joint.
You put people into the seat who love the material you'll get a good damn movie. I'm saying let her direct a movie for marvel that shouldn't be an action blockbuster. I don't want to see Capt Marvel talking about her feelings for an hour and 10 minutes of Action. No.
Carol is a head basher. Carol is impetuous and flys into trouble headlong all the time. Carol loves thrills and adventure and she loves knocking around with the big boys. You don't do an hour of feelings for her. You don't. Carol doesn't have a romantic interest. Don't even put that in the fuckin movie.
Black Panther is unique as fuck for a comic book story. You need to show tech. You need to show how wild Wakanda is. And then you need to show him in such a light that it's not HIM that deserves to be an avenger. You need to show that the avengers need to be glad he's THERE. You need to do that by showing his highly advanced intellect. He's smarter than Tony. He's a better fighter than Cap. He's clever as fuck. Currently he should be the smartest guy in the marvel movie Universe.
All that needs to be shown. And a novice director. Who doesn't know dawdle about the character shouldn't be handed the reigns. You get the guy who wrote Black Panther. Who's developed him and knows how he works to make a proper Black Panther movie.
I'd let her do a street team. Not alot of action. But you do humor. You do street stuff. She can hit it outta there i bet.
Relax,folks.
Can you imagine what a "Lee Daniel's: Black Panther" film would be like...?
Aww fuck...you just depressed the hell outta me
Or some TP laced shit with black super heros in drag
I gotta stop now I'm depressing MYSELF
^^ This.
Exactly.Hopefully Marvel is not pitching the ‘Black Panther’ to her…
INSTEAD… they should holla at Ava to get her to direct a new Cloak & Dagger movie
where she can 'deconstruct' their relationship & ‘get her feet wet’ in the comic book genre (without very much pressure from fanboys )…. plus get some 'technical experience' directing action-heavy 'fight scenes' under her belt at he same time.
If they had her direct a Cloak & Dagger movie…. 2 things REALLY work in HER favor…
1 - Nobody would be expecting a Cloak & Dagger movie to be spectacular.
So she could really ’plant her flag’ in a movie like that & dictate the ‘creative vision’.
IF it is really good… she will open a brand new lane for black female directors in the comic/sci-fi genre.
2 - Cloak & Dagger mostly solve ‘street crimes’.
Not ‘global threats’. Assault & Battery, Rapings, Mob Extortion, Loansharking, Illegal Prostitution Rings, Serial Murders, Drug Cartels, etc… and all that other stuff that could be handled if the local Swat Team worked ‘permanent overtime’ shifts.
That’s enough material to create LOTS of dramatic tension, plot-twists, suspense & some intense action scenes to ‘raise her game’…. without the massive scrutiny she would face if she was directing Black Panther.
OR better yet…..
Sheeeiiiittt… when you got film directors like George Miller blowing 30-years worth of dust off a franchise like ‘Mad Max’….
I just think that Ava could be out there using all her ‘Ocscar Buzz’ for MODERN REMAKES of some of them classic, old-school Pam Grier’s movies like Coffee, Sheba Baby, Get Christie Love, or Friday Foster.
Or she could even start with a lesser known (Marvel) superhero like Aliyah Bishop, or some shit.
Or Ava could even create a ‘fan favorite’ female version of an ‘Easy Rawlings’ (Devil in a Blue Dress) type of character.
Just take those types of movies, add a modern-day twist…. with a whole new cast, plus a brand new (kick-ass) leading lady.
Sheeeiiittt… She could knock those types of movies out of the park & start a franchise.
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Exactly.
Comic movies are unique in the fact that there is an entire universe of material out there for you to really grasp everything about the character. No other genre has this. no other genre pretty much the storyline before the movie comes out...or what it should be..or how it should be done so it's just stupid to take liberties with things of this magnitude imo.
any other genre im ok with someone not having an extensive background but wants to take it on... but comics im not.
to comic book heads it would be like taking extreme liberties in the movie selma.. or something like that. there are 'historical' documents that dictate what should and shouldn't happen to each and every character in these movies.
Like I said I completely agree with you both and I'm a diehard comic book head since 4 years old.
But in order for this comic book renaissance to be sustained I think we need to be open to the talent first.
Don't forgot many of the first wave of comic films were made by comic book diehards and thats how we ended up with Daredevil.
Of course, ideally you want a comic book fan to direct and write and act.
But I think the BEST thing Marvel did (Iron Man 2 aside) is to have a brain trust to lead any and all project.
Charlie Cox never heard of daredevil before he played him and he may be the damn living embodiment of that character.
kenneth branagh a Shakespearean actor did the first Thor. And Alan Taylor did the second one.
And yeah Ang Lee's Hulk failed but I disagree with the editing comment he is the DIRECTOR it was HIS vision so I gotta give him credit if I'm gnna give him blame.
So we are saying the same thing IDEALLY you want a talented real comic book fan director.
and I also don't think she would be a good fit for Black Panther because I hate to say it if we try to make a Black Panther that screams "MESSAGE" it will not do well.
But at the same time I want then to first pick the BEST director.
If they are going to do the Black James Bond version of BP I would hope they pick Doug Liman, Paul Greengrass, Brad Bird, Antoine Fuqua.
If its an origin story taking place primarily in Wakanda showing an entirely different world with the betrayal and politics and family dynamic royalty someone like Hughes Brothers, or Alan Taylor from GoT.
Some have comic book fantasy backgrounds some don't but if they honor the source material and history I think you can still do good work.
But in order for this comic book renaissance to be sustained I think we need to be open to the talent first.
Don't forgot many of the first wave of comic films were made by comic book diehards and thats how we ended up with Daredevil.
Of course, ideally you want a comic book fan to direct and write and act.
But I think the BEST thing Marvel did (Iron Man 2 aside) is to have a brain trust to lead any and all project.
Charlie Cox never heard of daredevil before he played him and he may be the damn living embodiment of that character.
kenneth branagh a Shakespearean actor did the first Thor. And Alan Taylor did the second one.
And yeah Ang Lee's Hulk failed but I disagree with the editing comment he is the DIRECTOR it was HIS vision so I gotta give him credit if I'm gnna give him blame.
So we are saying the same thing IDEALLY you want a talented real comic book fan director.
and I also don't think she would be a good fit for Black Panther because I hate to say it if we try to make a Black Panther that screams "MESSAGE" it will not do well.
But at the same time I want then to first pick the BEST director.
If they are going to do the Black James Bond version of BP I would hope they pick Doug Liman, Paul Greengrass, Brad Bird, Antoine Fuqua.
If its an origin story taking place primarily in Wakanda showing an entirely different world with the betrayal and politics and family dynamic royalty someone like Hughes Brothers, or Alan Taylor from GoT.
Some have comic book fantasy backgrounds some don't but if they honor the source material and history I think you can still do good work.
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1998-08-21/features/1998233099_1_vampire-blade-deacon-frost
read this original review for Blade
read this original review for Blade
And neither of the Thor movies were BANGERS though. Both were very lacking to me. And the problem with both of them was too much goddamn Jane Foster. And no action.
And i don't feel they can honor the source material without properly involving themselves with the source material. You the 1 disagreeing with us. lol i didn't disagree with you. I believe that i've already proven correct in MY VIEW with this Age of Ultron.
What do you mean black james bond Black Panther? Gadgets?
This is 1 of those things that confuses the shit out of me about Marvel. You can do blade. Which was awesome. And mostly make it off the name of Wesley.
But they can't do a decent Punisher movie to save their fuckin lives....?
Honestly, a lot of the earlier movies in the MCU weren't very good.
The Thor movies were so so, iron man 3 was a crime against humanity with 1 & 2 being only marginally better, and they can't seem to get the hulk right on the big screen to save their lives.....
Both captain America movies were good, avengers movies were good, and guardians was good.
I'm just here so I don't get fined
The Thor movies were so so, iron man 3 was a crime against humanity with 1 & 2 being only marginally better, and they can't seem to get the hulk right on the big screen to save their lives.....
Both captain America movies were good, avengers movies were good, and guardians was good.
I'm just here so I don't get fined
after re-reading what ya'll wrote I see thatthe Hudlin version (i believe) where he replaces DD and also the Priest version...where is not only intellectual level with Reed Tony Hank and them but a brilliant tactician and almost a doc savage with swagger style and royal air.
Should Wesley be involved with Black Panther somehow?
Putting him in NY taking over for DD wasn't Hudlin. That was after Hudlin. And i HAAAAAAAAAAAAAATED it. And whenever they do BP 1 of the things that always pisses me off is that BP is never shown how genius he is. They never show him creating anything. Building anything. Reed? Yep. Tony? Yep. Hank Pym? Yep. Hank McCoy? Yep. Tchalla? Nope.
They did him a modicum of justice with this latest issue with the whole Prelude to secret wars joint. Great. We got to see him build and be genius. But that's rare as fuck.
In the Priest version they at least spoke about it. Hudlin of course worked it in there. He does outclass all of the others. But it's rare as shit.
They did him a modicum of justice with this latest issue with the whole Prelude to secret wars joint. Great. We got to see him build and be genius. But that's rare as fuck.
In the Priest version they at least spoke about it. Hudlin of course worked it in there. He does outclass all of the others. But it's rare as shit.
He's a bigger question mark than her... Brown Sugar, Our Family Wedding, The Wood? He does have a movie coming out this year that made a big impression at the Sundance Film Festival.
Ava DuVernay & Rick Famuyiwa Reportedly Contending for Marvel Movie Gigs
http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/ava-duvernay-rick-famuyiwa-reportedly-contending-for-marvel-movie-gigs/
We'll begin with the report from The Wrap that says Selma director Ava DuVernay is being courted to direct one of Marvel's upcoming movies and it stands to reason the obvious contenders would be Black Panther (7/6/18) and Captain Marvel (11/2/18). The site reports insiders suggesting Black Panther is the most likely prospect and that there is mutual interest on the part of both parties, though it seems very hard for me to believe DuVernay would accept a gig where the higher ups exact so much control over production.
To go along with this report, ex-Latino-Review.com scooper El Mayimbe reports (via Twitter) that Rick Famuyiwa, director of the Sundance hit Dope, may also be a contender for the Black Panther gig. His is a name that sounds far more plausible as this seems to be the new blockbuster model -- cherry pick an indie director hot off their first big success, bully them around, make millions, move on.
Insiders tell "The Wrap" that Marvel is keen to hire an African-American director for Black Panther and a female filmmaker for Captain Marvel, DuVernay checks both those boxes and would be a very interesting choice.
After seeing Middle of Nowhere and Selma the decision to move to a superhero movie would be an interesting one for DuVernay and I would be very curious to see what she would do with a Marvel property, she's shown strong dramatic chops, but would she be able to exact her vision under the watchful eye of Marvel's Kevin Feige, the man that seems to have broken even Joss Whedon?
Ava DuVernay & Rick Famuyiwa Reportedly Contending for Marvel Movie Gigs
http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/ava-duvernay-rick-famuyiwa-reportedly-contending-for-marvel-movie-gigs/
We'll begin with the report from The Wrap that says Selma director Ava DuVernay is being courted to direct one of Marvel's upcoming movies and it stands to reason the obvious contenders would be Black Panther (7/6/18) and Captain Marvel (11/2/18). The site reports insiders suggesting Black Panther is the most likely prospect and that there is mutual interest on the part of both parties, though it seems very hard for me to believe DuVernay would accept a gig where the higher ups exact so much control over production.
To go along with this report, ex-Latino-Review.com scooper El Mayimbe reports (via Twitter) that Rick Famuyiwa, director of the Sundance hit Dope, may also be a contender for the Black Panther gig. His is a name that sounds far more plausible as this seems to be the new blockbuster model -- cherry pick an indie director hot off their first big success, bully them around, make millions, move on.
Insiders tell "The Wrap" that Marvel is keen to hire an African-American director for Black Panther and a female filmmaker for Captain Marvel, DuVernay checks both those boxes and would be a very interesting choice.
After seeing Middle of Nowhere and Selma the decision to move to a superhero movie would be an interesting one for DuVernay and I would be very curious to see what she would do with a Marvel property, she's shown strong dramatic chops, but would she be able to exact her vision under the watchful eye of Marvel's Kevin Feige, the man that seems to have broken even Joss Whedon?
if youre talking about in a producer role sure if he can Amun-Ra productions (his prod com) can make it happen but if youre talking about as a actor in the story?...I don't think so..theres more than one black action actor in hollywood.
ok ok you aint playing fair....
at the TIME?
In the theater?
geeks were cheering!!!
That is the only thing I don't like about this current golden age. The kids will never know what WE went through to get quality work like this.
Hell Blade 1/2 are STILL not given enough credit classic pioneering films of this genre.
Man, we were killing this movie back in the day on the Wizard World boards. The collective nerd assembly gave that movie like a 6.5.
It could have been a lot better.
Yeah, my bad. I meant behind the camera. He doesn't need to be on screen, but given his success with Blade...you'd think he'd be ideal for helping get BP franchise right.
Man, we were killing this movie back in the day on the Wizard World boards. The collective nerd assembly gave that movie like a 6.5.
It could have been a lot better.
lol i miss Wizardworld.
The world of Wakanda being introduced on the big screen has to have the feeling, greatness and majesty of Asgard.
We have to be introduced to a world as familiar and as alien as Avatar. Remember Wakanda while steeped in tradition is still a world light years ahead in technology and advancements.
You are talking about a society that has the cure for cancer. Technology that's befitting Blade Runner hidden in the mask of symbolism and simplicity.
There is NO WAY. I REPEAT, NO WAY - this woman who is not a fan of the genre can bring that to us.
We as long time comic book readers and faithful fans (Black fans) have waited an eternity to see a character and a world not only breathtaking but prideful and mindful enough to destroy stereotypes heaped on us of the white male archetype.... SO I REPEAT......
There is NO WAY. I REPEAT, NO WAY - this woman who is not a fan of the genre can bring that to us.
We have to be introduced to a world as familiar and as alien as Avatar. Remember Wakanda while steeped in tradition is still a world light years ahead in technology and advancements.
You are talking about a society that has the cure for cancer. Technology that's befitting Blade Runner hidden in the mask of symbolism and simplicity.
There is NO WAY. I REPEAT, NO WAY - this woman who is not a fan of the genre can bring that to us.
We as long time comic book readers and faithful fans (Black fans) have waited an eternity to see a character and a world not only breathtaking but prideful and mindful enough to destroy stereotypes heaped on us of the white male archetype.... SO I REPEAT......
There is NO WAY. I REPEAT, NO WAY - this woman who is not a fan of the genre can bring that to us.
It better look like Tomorrowland or I'll be pissed. But you know these CAC's are going to hate having a smart black man in charge of a nation like that. It might inspire youngsters to try and be that instead of crack dealer #2
If that chick directs it. Expect it to look like your local Starbucks.
Man, we were killing this movie back in the day on the Wizard World boards. The collective nerd assembly gave that movie like a 6.5.
It could have been a lot better.
did this brother just say WIZARD WORLD!?!?!?!
did this brother just say WIZARD WORLD!?!?!?!
Yes.
I was on the boards back in the day. Buddy was the moderator and the shit was crazy. Nerds arguing for days about everything comic related. Most of the OG's moved to superhero chat.
Good times.
Alot went to comicbookresources too. That's where we went when Wizard shut down. Killermovies. Newsrama. herochat.
I completely agree but which director do you think could pull this off?
Cause something lke THAT?
Cause you talking Spielberg, James Cameron, J.J. Abrams, The Wachowskis, Alex Proyas, Hughes Brothers, or Alan Taylor....level.
Hell I want the people behind Rome, Spartacus, Black Sails, Games of Thrones etc.
I want to create a whole different world
I want a complete experience that is showing a modern Garden of Eden filled with beautiful people of color that is torn between its OWN interests and the responsibility to humanity as a whole.
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I have to agree...I'm interested (and a little concerned) about how she does.. I mean comic book action is a completely different animal from historic drama..