So Jon conveniently has none of his family's trait, he doesn't even look like Rhaegar. Rhaegar fucked the sand snake chic and had two albino kids but not Jon?
Game Of Thrones: The Sopranos with swords or Dynasty in chainmail?
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So Jon conveniently has none of his family's trait, he doesn't even look like Rhaegar. Rhaegar fucked the sand snake chic and had two albino kids but not Jon?
its not a spoiler because Jon's parents have not been revealed in the books, the video is just a bunch of random speculation
Can we get a ban on these two?
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Why we have Rome to thank for Game of Thrones
Before King’s Landing, HBO built The Eternal City
Before King’s Landing, HBO built The Eternal City
Half a decade before Game of Thrones ever hit our screens, HBO was already serving up the recipe that would make the fantasy series its biggest hit. A delicious mix of grit and glamor, seasoned with the sweet and sour sauce of sex and violence, Rome was the 2005 precursor to 2015’s hottest slice of late night entertainment. As a loyal follower of both shows, I’m happy to witness the effortless grace with which Game of Thrones has grown during its four years on cable TV, but also saddened to see Rome fading like some ancient memory. So I think it’s time for a corrective retrospective. Let us remember the glories of Rome while sinking our teeth into another new season of Game of Thrones.
In October of 2003, the BBC and HBO agreed to co-produce a grand and ambitious new drama series that would recount the tale of the birth of the Roman empire. Fitting for such an epic and complex story, the scale and budget of the production were unprecedented for HBO. Rome marked the first time that the US subscription channel shot a period drama overseas, and it featured elaborate, sumptuous sets and costumes that brought the atmosphere of the ancient city to vivid life on screen.
Two years later, the product of those labors emerged, and it was an instant hit. Rome was unflinching in its portrayal of sex, violence, and sexual violence, and people loved it for that. Some hated it for the same reason, but none who had seen it remained indifferent for very long. Rome’s title sequence featured animated graffiti depicting a massive engorged penis, a woman exploding out of a man’s head, and a series of blood-stained battles. By the time it arrived on British screens, the show was already notorious for its stark imagery and often casual brutality. Sound familiar?
Name the most enticing aspects of Game of Thrones, and you’ll find them in Rome. Both tell grand stories of violent political turmoil through the intimate lens of personal experiences. We don’t care as much about who won this or that battle as we do when Jaime Lannister loses a hand or Lucius Vorenus liberates his daughters. Every frame of Rome is drenched in intrigue, which occasionally erupts onto the screen through acts of bloody backstabbing or equally explicit sex scenes. Much as in Game of Thrones, being the most influential or powerful character is no guarantee of surviving until the next episode, let alone the next season. In fact, power and misery seem to be inextricably bonded in both shows.
As much as Game of Thrones may be ahistoric and subject to its own internal lore and structure, its inspirations are clearly drawn from the same bloody pool of human history as Rome’s. Daenerys Targaryen, the young queen threatening the seat of Westeros power from beyond the seas, finds her parallel in Egypt’s Cleopatra. Joffrey Baratheon is as cold and unsympathizing a ruler as Rome’s brutally calculating Gaius Octavian. And the strong female figures of Catelyn Stark and Cersei Lannister find their Roman counterparts in Atia of the Julii and Servilia of the Junii. Come on, it’s cool to even just say those names.
Because it was so lavish and uncompromising in its production, Rome managed to assemble a brilliant ensemble cast — including Layer Cake’s Kenneth Cranham and Trainspotting’s Kevin McKidd — and did those actors justice with great writing. Awards and critical acclaim affirmed this, but there’s even more obvious evidence of the skill and talent deployed when shooting Rome: many of that show’s producers are now working on Game of Thrones, and some of its leading actors have joined them too.
Ciarán Hinds, the Gaius Julius Caesar of Rome, now performs the pivotal role of Mance Rayder in Game of Thrones. Indira Varma, the actress that once portrayed the wife of Lucius Vorenus, turned into the paramour of the vengeful Prince Martell in last season's Thrones. More importantly, Rome showed HBO was capable of wrangling huge casts and weaving together sprawling and complex storylines to create one compelling whole. There was just one issue: it couldn’t stay within budget.
As Rome creator Bruno Heller told EW last year, “they learned a lot from a business commercial sense, what not to do. The mistakes we made are the mistakes Game of Thrones learned from.” Rome ultimately proved prohibitively expensive to make, which led to its untimely demise after just two seasons. If there’s a subtle implication in Heller’s words that Thrones is merely a better-budgeted continuation of Rome with a different narrative, it’s rendered explicit by the words of Kevin McKidd, who played the leading role of Roman legionary Lucius Vorenus. “They stole our fucking show,” is McKidd’s candid assessment of Game of Thrones, which is a perspective that fellow Rome star James Purefoy says he sympathizes with.
And yet, for all their shared characteristics and overlaps, Rome and Game of Thrones are not the same thing. Amanda Farrish over on This Was TV makes the cogent argument that Game of Thrones has the advantage of unpredictability. Many more people are familiar with the broad strokes of Roman history than have read George R. R. Martin’s books, which allows Thrones to serve up more profound storyline twists that completely subvert viewers’ expectations.
In Rome, you know Caesar won’t choke to death on some random grape seed, and you have a rough idea of who’ll be in power when. There’s great joy to be had in retelling historic events, but not as much surprise. Game of Thrones, on the other hand, has left many of its viewers in a tailspin after getting them to invest emotionally into the development of a character, only to see him or her scythed down with little ceremony. The disposable treatment of central actors and influencers of the story is unique to Thrones — at least as far as major TV dramas go — and it serves to extend the realistic and nuanced portrayal of the people populating Martin’s fantasy realm.
“This exciting series will result in memorable entertainment,” said HBO’s boss in 2003, Chris Albrecht. It’s “a story of timeless passions with contemporary resonance." He was talking about Rome, and he was right — as committed fans of the two-season series will attest — but the truest embodiment of his words now comes from Game of Thrones. It righted whatever wrongs were ailing Rome’s production, added the extra spice of fire-breathing dragons and unpredictability, and continues to set the standard for epic TV drama today.
Without Rome, I’m sure we wouldn’t have the epic and ambitious Game of Thrones that we’re enjoying today. The funny thing is that with Rome, we wouldn’t have the present Thrones, either, given the way that show burned through HBO’s finances. So Rome had to both rise and fall, as a TV production, in order for Game of Thrones to become what it is today. And I appreciate that. I guess what I’m really saying is, go watch the Game of Thrones that came before Game of Thrones. You won’t be disappointed.
http://www.theverge.com/tldr/2015/4/13/8398811/hbo-game-of-thrones-rome-drama-series
They haven't revealed Jon Snow's parents yet....
I haven't watch the video,but but those two have been speculated they're Jon's parents for years....
Yep. It spawned many period pieces on top of GOT including:
The Borgias
The Tudors
Spartacus
The White Queen
DaVinci's Demons
Vikings
Among others.
The 1st episode of season 2 may have been the best cable television I've ever seen. Shit was brutal
But most of the stuff discussed in the video they have already covered on the show within the past 4 seasons. But not in step by step detail.
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So, you didn't go far enough in school to understand "irony " and you want to ban me bitch? Kiss my black ass faggot.
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...for season 1 and 2...that's what S1 and S2 mean kid
Stretch on point as usual. I cackled out loud on that Robyn Arryn quote. They should rename him the bitch lord!
Hell no. That fire is constant suffering. Make 15 minutes feel like 10 years
Great job Stretch as always.
arya wasn't on any play shit in the market
brienne's been turned down twice...wonder where's she gonna go now.
interesting convo between varys and tyrion
khaleesi's learning the hard way, the saying 'heavy is the head that wears the crown.'
can't imagine stannis being too happy with john snow's victory
cercei's desperately trying to cling to power
obery's side piece is pushing her luck
brienne's been turned down twice...wonder where's she gonna go now.
interesting convo between varys and tyrion
khaleesi's learning the hard way, the saying 'heavy is the head that wears the crown.'
can't imagine stannis being too happy with john snow's victory
cercei's desperately trying to cling to power
obery's side piece is pushing her luck
When dude gave Arya the coin back and switched faces I completely lost my shit.
That shit was raw as fugg
Kaleesi is a moron
Word UP!!!! What the hell is she thinking?
Keep in mind she wasn't raised to be a leader so she has no qualifications for the job, if it wasn't for those dragons she would be a walking sperm bank. She is suppose to be a young girl so seeing a older actress play her doesn't really come off well onscreen.
she's sticking to her morals and finding that that alone isn't what makes someone a great leader.
being able to bend and knowing when to bend in order to keep or attain peace while pleasing the greatest number of your constituents is what she has to learn.
basically, she can't keep everyone happy.
I can't see Jon staying at Castle Black for the duration of the series.
Perhaps as the leader and protector of the Wall he can find peace with the other dude by taking a group of the nights watch to go with Stannis, since Stannis' whole claim as rightful King is resting on being the only one capable of protecting the realm from the impending war against the threat of the white walkers?
Stannis has to leave eventually and deal with Roose Bolton. Robb Starks death has to be avenged. So he has to get out of castle black also at some point, and he has to leave with more men than he arrived otherwise what kind of leader is he if he stays in one location so long but leaves without added support?
Just speculation on my end.
being able to bend and knowing when to bend in order to keep or attain peace while pleasing the greatest number of your constituents is what she has to learn.
basically, she can't keep everyone happy.
I can't see Jon staying at Castle Black for the duration of the series.
Perhaps as the leader and protector of the Wall he can find peace with the other dude by taking a group of the nights watch to go with Stannis, since Stannis' whole claim as rightful King is resting on being the only one capable of protecting the realm from the impending war against the threat of the white walkers?
Stannis has to leave eventually and deal with Roose Bolton. Robb Starks death has to be avenged. So he has to get out of castle black also at some point, and he has to leave with more men than he arrived otherwise what kind of leader is he if he stays in one location so long but leaves without added support?
Just speculation on my end.
Good observation, there are clear parallels between Jon and Daenerys separate evolutions as a leader. They have both had to face choices between choosing between the greater good and sticking to a strict moral code.
The same rigid principles won't work in all situations
Im not sure you have a full understanding of what irony is. Further evidenced by you asking a man on a porn board to kiss your ass while having the audacity to call anyone a faggot.
Thanks. And to add to it, they're both natural leaders. One is learning on the job because she has a pedigree. The other is rising into that position because he too has a pedigree as well, but as a bastard - so nothing will be given to him (it can be offered, like the north was last night, but if he doesn't accept, it wasn't given-which is why it's no surprise that he didn't accept)
One labeleled royalty, one labeled bastard. Both leaders are very principled.
broken down, they're both the same character, their circumstances is what makes them appear to be different.
If Dany was a bastard at Castle Black she'd be Jon Snow, and if Jon Snow was acknowledged royalty he'd have beheaded that man last night for the same offense...circumstance.
It is poetic, especially if you suspect that Jon Snow is not Ned's son, but the son of Ned's sister and the 'Mad King', Dany's father...
They are actually coming from opposite sides of the problem. Jon's disadvantage is his bastard status which according to the rules of the society he lives in mandates that his options are limited from birth. The advantage is that he had an strong role model as far as manhood and leadership are concerned. He generally knows what works and is gaining hands on experience at both leadership and handling tough decisions. His problems are mostly ones people have with his background.
Dany on the other hand was taught that she was destined to rule (or at least be part of the ruling class), but had no good role models or examples to follow until very recently. What she does have is a whole team of people trying to make sure she succeeds, Dragons and luck. So I fully expect her to fuck up, but her fuck ups have more severe consequences than Jon (so far)
Dig your perspective and inclined to agree...just wanted to point out that Aries was the Mad King, not Rhaegar...so Jon would be her nephew if Rhaegar is indeed his father. Aries is suspected of being Tyrion's father....so Dany and Tyrion would be half brother and sister and uncle/aunt to Jon.
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