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Amajorfucup said:
PH, i know and accept im in the minority about my feelings on BB. Its just a way overrated show imo. But to clarify, i will say that im enjoying this show far more and imo, at 8 episodes in (or whatever it is), its a better product than BB at the same point.

I also have to disagree that the show is entirely dependent on BB. I think it stands on its own. Im sure its a bit satisfying for BB fanatics to see character origins, hunt for easter eggs, and draw parallels between new and old characters... But i think the show stands on its own.
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We actually agree

as you can see from my creating this thread in the first place I think Saul is own show and outstanding...funny the first 3 episodes in many were trying to dump and it took a Mike episode (which I disagree is the BEST episode) to get people back fully committed.

Honestly I hate comparing and ranking shows anyway but Breaking Bad was outstanding and YES in the final season the internet and media went NUTS it is the greatest series of all time...but it is one of the best.

Breaking Bad is IN the argument because if accomplished the RARE feat of telling a complete saga beginning middle end consistent excellence.

even The Wire most loyal and faithful split on their second season (which I think was excellent myself) Sopranos had whole story arcs that didn't work, many outlived their effectiveness and many other got cancelled before they could be included in the discussion.
 
playahaitian said:
I can see it.

he is a piece of sh*t yes.

But I can see his arch I see his insecurities and frailties.

He was the the big brother the good son the hero

Saul was the the f*ck up the loser the bad one

the parents "begged" him to save Saul the loser from prison

He LOVED his role and I think DID love his brother

He COMMANDED Saul to clean up his act (probably NEVER believing he could do it and that Saul would forever be a burden to him)

And then he get s sick...and NO ONE believes him or NEEDS him and the only one he has to save him?

Saul.

And instead of being not only proud but HONORED that Saul came to this place of success because he wanted NOTHING more then to impress HIM...

his big brother his hero.

he is offended that he even had the basic CAPACITY to accomplish this feat.

He has feet of clay.

He now questions EVERYTHING about himself because if SAUL could do it maybe he isn't as impressive as he thought...he is fragile and small.

I pitied him for a moment watching him crumble...I understood his warped rationale that is a testament to the writing and the acting...that for even a MOMENT I could see things from his perspective.
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That's a sucka..a mark...a bastard. sure you can see why he did it. I can see why he did it. It doesn't excuse him doing it.
This is Saul's actual life here. He's trying to keep his brother down...for his actual life..

Good luck to him in the house alone.

He'd never see me again.
 
Amajorfucup said:
Yep. He went from well meaning annoyance to outright piece of shit. I didnt see it until he asked for $20million and i realized he was purposely doing it with the intent to involve his firm and pressure his brother into doing so in the process.
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They got me because I thought he was ready to get back into action. How devious and cold do you have to be in order to PLOT to do this to your brother who is the only person on earth who cares about you?
 
largebillsonlyplease said:
That's a sucka..a mark...a bastard. sure you can see why he did it. I can see why he did it. It doesn't excuse him doing it.
This is Saul's actual life here. He's trying to keep his brother down...for his actual life..

Good luck to him in the house alone.

He'd never see me again.
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i hear you cuz...

I got a writing question...

Do you think Saul would have REALLY called the phone company?

And do you think he really DID call the phone company?
 
playahaitian said:
i hear you cuz...

I got a writing question...

Do you think Saul would have REALLY called the phone company?

And do you think he really DID call the phone company?
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Holmes said he was up all night, either he was on hold with the company for that long or he was holding on to that accusation like "Draw 4" in uNo.

:dunno:

I like that face Mike makes right before he chops you in the throat. He always looks super annoyed. :lol: I watch the show just for that shit.
 
largebillsonlyplease said:
That's a sucka..a mark...a bastard. sure you can see why he did it. I can see why he did it. It doesn't excuse him doing it.
This is Saul's actual life here. He's trying to keep his brother down...for his actual life..

Good luck to him in the house alone.

He'd never see me again.
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playahaitian said:
cuz...

the LOOK on the brother's face when he saw Saul passed the bar

pretty much did more character develop for the brother then the entire first 4 episodes.

that scene where you ONLY heard the printer near silence and Hamlin is essentially breaking his soul doing his BROTHER'S bidding essentially btw...telling him he can't be hired.

and he TOOK THAT CAKE WITH HIM.

now THAT is a scene.

And nicely mirrors when Saul heard the bread sticks/breaking bones in the bar scene earlier.
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playahaitian said:
I'm hooked...

that slow burn made his brother's 'recovery' even more hilarious.

Mike's daughter in law goes from I can't keep this money what should I do with it Can I use it too...

This is just a drop in the bucket.

:hmm:

Like I said earlier we are witnessing how EVERYONE is breaking bad...

Mike becoming a criminal to support his dead son's family

down to Saul potentially being betrayed (not just the blonde but maybe even by his own brother too) much like Walt was with his partners.
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that is what I mean why I understand the brother's motivation to be evil...

and how this is the act that finally robs Saul of his innocence.
 
playahaitian said:
i hear you cuz...

I got a writing question...

Do you think Saul would have REALLY called the phone company?

And do you think he really DID call the phone company?
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Would have yes.

Really did? No. I think he was up all night laboring over the decision and pieced things together.
His brother gave it away with his arrogant piece of shit speech.




Take note though

That's how He felt about his brother....
how you think he feels about someone that looks like you or me?


Now think about the fact that there are lots of people who think just like he does in various arenas.
 
playahaitian said:
that is what I mean why I understand the brother's motivation to be evil...

and how this is the act that finally robs Saul of his innocence.
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I get the motivation and all of that man. I'm just saying he's a piece of shit and deserves to die alone with his law books by himself.

We see Saul exhausted all options on the legit side of things and got shat on every opportunity.
 
largebillsonlyplease said:
Take note though

That's how He felt about his brother....
how you think he feels about someone that looks like you or me?


Now think about the fact that there are lots of people who think just like he does in various arenas.
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Bingo! This harps back to my earlier post about there being so much truth to that character and type. I went to school with them and worked with them. The moment you show yourself to be their equal- or worse, their superior- you become enemy number 1. There are so many nuances and accuracies there its almost funny....The people, the profession, familial fuckery, workplace politics...etc...
 
largebillsonlyplease said:
Would have yes.

Really did? No. I think he was up all night laboring over the decision and pieced things together.
His brother gave it away with his arrogant piece of shit speech.




Take note though

That's how He felt about his brother....
how you think he feels about someone that looks like you or me?


Now think about the fact that there are lots of people who think just like he does in various arenas.
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Question: Now could you have wrote that as Chuck talking to his protege a young Black kid that he "adopted" as an intern?

Saved from prison on a pro bono case got him a job at HHM groomed him as his personal project his SUCCESS story assuaging his white guilt and this kid walks in his office after YEARS of essentially slaving in the basement and the look on Chuck's face when he says he went to law school and passed the bar? and the look on that young Black man's face when he finally realizes that this entire time at EVERY turn it was his benefactor (his father) who had been holding him back while telling him all this pull yourself up from your bootstraps stuff for years?

Now that's a scene with your name written all over it...

tell me a a dramatic NBC series couldn't be built around the build up to THAT moment.
 
Amajorfucup said:
Bingo! This harps back to my earlier post about there being so much truth to that character and type. I went to school with them and worked with them. The moment you show yourself to be their equal- or worse, their superior- you become enemy number 1. There are so many nuances and accuracies there its almost funny....The people, the profession, familial fuckery, workplace politics...etc...
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I experienced the same. Soon as you aren't the "token" or an "affirmative action" placed "black" you are the #1 target period.

That's why I kinda chuckle when dudes try to play me out on here for seeing race in a lot of things like I haven't experienced all the shit I've experienced in my life

It's always Kumbaya for the most part until you're smarter then it's we gotta do something about this.

There are a FEW who still respect it and are DECENT

but the keyword in that sentence is FEW.
 
largebillsonlyplease said:
I get the motivation and all of that man. I'm just saying he's a piece of shit and deserves to die alone with his law books by himself.

We see Saul exhausted all options on the legit side of things and got shat on every opportunity.
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that is the part that broke my heart and the reason I felt it was a good decision to make Saul the focal point of the series.

I FELT that moment I identified with that moment and bet there were MANY Black people who have BEEN on the receiving end of that.

and a great discussion is to compare Chuck's revelation to the Priests revelation on The Walking Dead...Maggie forgives the Priest after all that.

Would the audience have accepted Saul forgiving his brother?
 
largebillsonlyplease said:
I experienced the same. Soon as you aren't the "token" or an "affirmative action" placed "black" you are the #1 target period.

That's why I kinda chuckle when dudes try to play me out on here for seeing race in a lot of things like I haven't experienced all the shit I've experienced in my life

It's always Kumbaya for the most part until you're smarter then it's we gotta do something about this.

There are a FEW who still respect it and are DECENT

but the keyword in that sentence is FEW.
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Ive had to actually act NOT as smart as was to get along because I knew if they felt threatened no matter how good my work I would be the first one gone. As long as you are the pet?

You good.

Because they believe they GAVE you this opportunity they HONESTLY believe that....like you didn't EARN it. they need to be constantly reminded that you appreciate an opportunity that ANYONE would have gotten if they were white...

Man that would make a mean dramatic series just off the office politics.
 
playahaitian said:
Question: Now could you have wrote that as Chuck talking to his protege a young Black kid that he "adopted" as an intern?

Saved from prison on a pro bono case got him a job at HHM groomed him as his personal project his SUCCESS story assuaging his white guilt and this kid walks in his office after YEARS of essentially slaving in the basement and the look on Chuck's face when he says he went to law school and passed the bar? and the look on that young Black man's face when he finally realizes that this entire time at EVERY turn it was his benefactor (his father) who had been holding him back while telling him all this pull yourself up from your bootstraps stuff for years?

Now that's a scene with your name written all over it...

tell me a a dramatic NBC series couldn't be built around the build up to THAT moment.
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It would be the same thing you'd just have to show more interaction with outside people. Show him showing him off at parties and other things. Then gradually show as he progresses the warmness subsides and finally the black kid looking back and he realizing he wasn't bragging about him because he was proud. he was being bragged about as charity. as a story to dine out on. bragging as a look what i did.. instead of look what he did type of thing.

And then he still calls him a chimp with a machine gun and it hits 10000x's harder because of the racial construct of the conversation.
 
playahaitian said:
that is the part that broke my heart and the reason I felt it was a good decision to make Saul the focal point of the series.

I FELT that moment I identified with that moment and bet there were MANY Black people who have BEEN on the receiving end of that.

and a great discussion is to compare Chuck's revelation to the Priests revelation on The Walking Dead...Maggie forgives the Priest after all that.

Would the audience have accepted Saul forgiving his brother?
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The priest shit on everybody though not just Maggie so it's different.

Saul can't forgive his brother for making sure his life didn't amount to what it could have...
 
playahaitian said:
Ive had to actually act NOT as smart as was to get along because I knew if they felt threatened no matter how good my work I would be the first one gone. As long as you are the pet?

You good.

Because they believe they GAVE you this opportunity they HONESTLY believe that....like you didn't EARN it. they need to be constantly reminded that you appreciate an opportunity that ANYONE would have gotten if they were white...

Man that would make a mean dramatic series just off the office politics.
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It would have to be a cartoon. People can't swallow that type of realism with real people. At the same time you could do more to illustrate just how real in the field it is.
 
largebillsonlyplease said:
It would be the same thing you'd just have to show more interaction with outside people. Show him showing him off at parties and other things. Then gradually show as he progresses the warmness subsides and finally the black kid looking back and he realizing he wasn't bragging about him because he was proud. he was being bragged about as charity. as a story to dine out on. bragging as a look what i did.. instead of look what he did type of thing.

And then he still calls him a chimp with a machine gun and it hits 10000x's harder because of the racial construct of the conversation.
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f*ck I like that.
 
“Part of the reason Jimmy’s always gotten into trouble is because he could never equal Chuck,” Gould continues. “Chuck was always the good brother. But from Chuck’s point of view, Jimmy was the one who got all the attention. Jimmy was the kid who would make everyone laugh with a joke. And Chuck, for all his ability and all his brains, really doesn’t have the common touch. And we realized—and it came as a shock to us—that on some level, Chuck is jealous of Jimmy. And that Hamlin wasn’t the problem for Jimmy, really; it’s Chuck. Chuck does not want Jimmy in his law firm. It makes Chuck deeply uncomfortable for so many reasons—some of them legitimate—to have Jimmy be a lawyer at his level. And one of the things I love about the scene at the end of episode 9 that [co-executive producer] Tom Schnauz wrote, and that Bob and Michael played, is that Chuck is not all wrong. Especially those of us who watched Breaking Bad know that there is an element of truth to what he says: ‘The law is sacred. If you abuse that power, people get hurt. This is not a game.’ And that brings up the question: How much is that a self-fulfilling prophecy? Does Jimmy act out because deep down, he believes what Chuck thinks of him?”​

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/03/30/better-call-saul-peter-gould-jimmy-chuck
 
playahaitian said:
“Part of the reason Jimmy’s always gotten into trouble is because he could never equal Chuck,” Gould continues. “Chuck was always the good brother. But from Chuck’s point of view, Jimmy was the one who got all the attention. Jimmy was the kid who would make everyone laugh with a joke. And Chuck, for all his ability and all his brains, really doesn’t have the common touch. And we realized—and it came as a shock to us—that on some level, Chuck is jealous of Jimmy. And that Hamlin wasn’t the problem for Jimmy, really; it’s Chuck. Chuck does not want Jimmy in his law firm. It makes Chuck deeply uncomfortable for so many reasons—some of them legitimate—to have Jimmy be a lawyer at his level. And one of the things I love about the scene at the end of episode 9 that [co-executive producer] Tom Schnauz wrote, and that Bob and Michael played, is that Chuck is not all wrong. Especially those of us who watched Breaking Bad know that there is an element of truth to what he says: ‘The law is sacred. If you abuse that power, people get hurt. This is not a game.’ And that brings up the question: How much is that a self-fulfilling prophecy? Does Jimmy act out because deep down, he believes what Chuck thinks of him?”​

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/03/30/better-call-saul-peter-gould-jimmy-chuck
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He absolutely becomes that because his brother shitted on him like that.
Jimmy turned down so many underhanded opportunities already.


His brother is a bitch.
 
Did ya'll notice "Trevor" from GTA 5 was on last nights episode? He was the guy that Mike knocked out. I was like damn...he look/sound familiar :lol:

 
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playahaitian said:
“Part of the reason Jimmy’s always gotten into trouble is because he could never equal Chuck,” Gould continues. “Chuck was always the good brother. But from Chuck’s point of view, Jimmy was the one who got all the attention. Jimmy was the kid who would make everyone laugh with a joke. And Chuck, for all his ability and all his brains, really doesn’t have the common touch. And we realized—and it came as a shock to us—that on some level, Chuck is jealous of Jimmy. And that Hamlin wasn’t the problem for Jimmy, really; it’s Chuck. Chuck does not want Jimmy in his law firm. It makes Chuck deeply uncomfortable for so many reasons—some of them legitimate—to have Jimmy be a lawyer at his level. And one of the things I love about the scene at the end of episode 9 that [co-executive producer] Tom Schnauz wrote, and that Bob and Michael played, is that Chuck is not all wrong. Especially those of us who watched Breaking Bad know that there is an element of truth to what he says: ‘The law is sacred. If you abuse that power, people get hurt. This is not a game.’ And that brings up the question: How much is that a self-fulfilling prophecy? Does Jimmy act out because deep down, he believes what Chuck thinks of him?”​

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/03/30/better-call-saul-peter-gould-jimmy-chuck
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If Saul wasn't qualified to practice law he never would have passed the bar. Period. Once you get that permission to practice whatever you make of it is up to you. Graduating a prestigious firm might give you a head start, but it doesn't guarantee a win.

And no, the law is not sacred. It's a collection of do's and don'ts that define acceptable behavior. It changes almost daily depending on who can make the most convincing arguments, win the most votes, etc.

Consider the Volstead Act for instance. Here was a law that banned alcohol across the entire country and even became a constitutional amendment. Then, after millions of deaths, millions of criminalized citizens, millions of dollars wasted on a hopeless effort it got repealed ten years later.

This was a law that was asked for by a powerful fringe group and poorly drafted by a bunch of Chucks. Does that sound sacred to you?
 
This show realistically depicts the pomp and pretense of certain Big Law attorneys, and shit most attorneys in general.

No matter where Jimmy graduated from he passed the Bar exam, fuck you Chuck and your feelings of inadequacy, he IS a "Real" lawyer! Chuck's problem isn't that he felt Jimmy couldn't do the job, it was that in his opinion Jimmy didn't fit the Big Law culture.

The show does a great job showing how a hustler like Jimmy, with a limited grasp of the law, could use those skills to do good legal work. Every significant character that Jimmy represented got off. Yet through all this all he wanted was his big Bro to see him as an equal. Fuck Chuck
 
LegalMoney said:
This show realistically depicts the pomp and pretense of certain Big Law attorneys, and shit most attorneys in general.

No matter where Jimmy graduated from he passed the Bar exam, fuck you Chuck and your feelings of inadequacy, he IS a "Real" lawyer! Chuck's problem isn't that he felt Jimmy couldn't do the job, it was that in his opinion Jimmy didn't fit the Big Law culture.

The show does a great job showing how a hustler like Jimmy, with a limited grasp of the law, could use those skills to do good legal work. Every significant character that Jimmy represented got off. Yet through all this all he wanted was his big Bro to see him as an equal. Fuck Chuck
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It's always about fitting in and making others feel superior or less threatened

A wide world or cliques and gangs by any definition
 
LegalMoney said:
This show realistically depicts the pomp and pretense of certain Big Law attorneys, and shit most attorneys in general.

No matter where Jimmy graduated from he passed the Bar exam, fuck you Chuck and your feelings of inadequacy, he IS a "Real" lawyer! Chuck's problem isn't that he felt Jimmy couldn't do the job, it was that in his opinion Jimmy didn't fit the Big Law culture.

The show does a great job showing how a hustler like Jimmy, with a limited grasp of the law, could use those skills to do good legal work. Every significant character that Jimmy represented got off. Yet through all this all he wanted was his big Bro to see him as an equal. Fuck Chuck
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It's always about fitting in and making others feel superior or less threatened

A wide world or cliques and gangs by any definition
 
So I'm guessing Hamlin told the blond the real after he told her to come back in.

She was just too afraid to tell Jimmy
 
Shit burns like dry ice when your own family is against you

Fuck chuck ...Saul should hook up 100 microwaves in his house and turn them on
 
spoiler







Better Call Saul finale: Will Jimmy take a big leap towards becoming Saul Goodman in "Marco?"

The season finale of Better Call Saul will air on 6 April at 10pm ET on AM.

The finale's title indicates that Marco Salamanca (Luis Moncada), one of the two popular killers, also known as the Cousins in Breaking Bad, could be introduced in the finale.

Fans have already seen Marco's cousin Tuco, during the first two episodes of Better Call Saul.
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http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/better-cal...p-towards-becoming-saul-goodman-marco-1494701
 
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