The white Confederates defending the south's honor in Selma

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source: The Guardian

As civil rights campaigners marked 50 years since Bloody Sunday, elsewhere in Selma a small band of southerners were mourning the loss of the Confederacy


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Todd Kiscaden: ‘In any military context, if you’re going to march on my castle, I’m going to man my barricades.’

As thousands marched across Selma’s Edmund Pettus bridge this weekend, a small band of white people were less than a mile away, mourning the loss of the Confederacy and guarding a memorial to a white supremacist.

Live Oak cemetery is a burial site for Confederate soldiers in the civil war and contains the grave of Edmund Winston Pettus, the general – and member of the Ku Klux Klan – after whom the town’s bridge was named.

There has been a growing campaign to rename Selma’s bridge given its association with the Confederate south, and dozens of students had planned a peaceful march to the cemetery. They quickly changed plans after discovering the neo-Confederates were waiting for them.

“‘March’ is a military term,” explained Todd Kiscaden, 64, who had traveled to Selma from his home in Tennessee to defend the memorial site. “In any military context, if you’re going to march on my castle, I’m going to man my barricades.”

Selma is most famous for the violent assault on peaceful civil rights marchers on the town’s bridge in 1965. But the Alabama town was also the site of another clash: a notorious civil war battle in which Union forces defeated the pro-slavery Confederate army.

The cemetery where Pettus is buried also contains a memorial to the fallen soldiers, and a controversial monument to Nathan Bedford Forrest, the lieutenant general in the Confederate army and first Grand Wizard of the Klan.

The graveyard has long been a flashpoint between African Americans and pro-Confederate historians in the town. The graveyard has been the focus of protests before; the memorial has been vandalised and, three years ago, a bronze bust of Forrest was stolen. Kiscaden, from the group Friends of Forrest, which tends the memorial site, said they were in the process of replacing the stolen bust.

Sunday’s aborted march to the cemetery was organised by Students Unite, the Selma-based youth group behind a viral online campaign to rename the Edmund Pettus bridge. They planned to march peacefully and respectfully to the graveyard, to draw protest against the Pettus bridge name and the existence of a monument to a white supremacist.

“We’re a non-violent group,” explained John Gainey, 25, executive director of Students Unite. “We didn’t want a confrontation.”

Pat Godwin, from the Selma chapter of the United Daughters of the Confederacy –which owns the confederate memorial site – conceded that the marchers had said they would be peaceful. “But on their website it said they were going to be protesting,” she added.

Godwin, who lives on a ranch 15 miles out of town named Fort Dixie, showed no enthusiasm for the 50th anniversary events taking place nearby.

She described a local black woman who organises the annual commemorative events in Selma as “a race hustler”. The civil rights footsoldiers who were attacked by Alabama state troopers on what became known as Bloody Sunday in 1965 “got the resistance they were seeking”, she said.

Kiscaden, who owns a coal mine in Kentucky, had an equally peculiar interpretation of history. He disputed that Forrest was a a founding member of the Klan, which he said played a positive role in bringing about law and order in the south when it was first conceived in the 1860s. (He distinguished the original Klan from the hate group of the same name that, he conceded, orchestrated lynchings.)

“The people in the south – the white people, who were being abused – organised a neighbourhood watch to try to re-establish some order,” he said of the nascent Klan. Slavery in the south was “a bad institution”, he said, but possibly “the mildest, most humane form of slavery ever practiced”.

“If you look at the wealth created by the slaves, in food, clothing, shelter, medical care, care before you’re old enough to work, care until you died, they got 90% of the wealth that they generated,” he said. “I don’t get that. The damn government takes my money to the tune of 50%.”

Kiscaden and Godwin insisted they were not racist. But they made plain that they hankered for a revival of some of the ideals most Americans believe were defeated in 1865.

“The Confederate government never surrendered,” Kiscaden said. “So are we still in operation? Maybe we’ll find out. I happen to think that our history from 150 years ago is about to catch us.”

It would be wrong to suggest Kiscaden, Godwin and the half-dozen people who lingered around the cemetery on Sunday represent the white minority in Selma, where some white residents work hard to build relations with African Americans.

But 50 years after the march across the bridge, Selma remains racially divided. Schools are almost entirely segregated - as is the local country club which, still today, is said to maintain a white-only membership.

More overt forms of racism aren’t far from the surface, either. Some of the black families in Selma opened their front doors this weekend to find letters containing white supremacist literature on their doorsteps, wrapped in rocks. The Klan claimed responsibility for distributing 4,000 letters in Selma and Montgomery. There is no suggestion Kiscaden or Godwin had any connection to the distribution of the letters.

In the end, there was no standoff in the Live Oak cemetery on Sunday. Less than a mile away from a raucous celebration of a watershed in civil rights history, the confederate graveyard was almost eerily silent. But the mood was tense. White men and women occasionally patrolled the grounds in pickup trucks, slowing to take a good look at the occasional visitors.

The few who wandered into the cemetery – either by accident, or to see if the rumours about the neo-Confederates were really true – were stunned by what they found.

A black high school teacher from Portland, Oregon, said he was especially shocked at the sight of one man guarding the perimeter of the Confederate grave site with a German Shepherd dog. Steve Fits, the owner of the dog, denied it was there to defend the cemetery. “He’s not a guard dog,” he said. “He’s my pet.”

A short while later, Chuck Fager, 72, a junior member of Martin Luther King’s staff in the 1960s who later wrote a book about Selma, happened to wander past.

“They’re peaceable enough to talk to, but they’re very serious about their beliefs,” he said. “Most media don’t pay attention to these folks and I think that’s a mistake. They’re a real group, they have real support, and they’re up to stuff that we don’t always see or hear about.”
 
It baffles me when white people complain that racism is dead. It's silent, covert, and just as alive as ever.

My question is what exactly real, tangible, and concrete was gained from the March on Selma?
 
It baffles me when white people complain that racism is dead. It's silent, covert, and just as alive as ever.

My question is what exactly real, tangible, and concrete was gained from the March on Selma?


That was the same question asked by the so called "Black" Nationalists 50 years ago.

They claimed back then that all that marching and all that non-violence talk was a waste of time.

Well those that couldn't vote even though they had the right to vote never asked "what exactly real, tangible, and concrete was gained from the March on Selma?"

Not choosing to vote is not the same as being prevented from voting.

Isn't wonderful that you now have that option?
 
When you vote you only have 2 choices. Lucifer or Satan and you catch hell either way you go.

The people running and the offices they are running for are based on a white reality and the power of keeping blacks sleep.

Those whites got a problem when blacks separate and start getting their true identity back and start taking the world back from Satan (white people)

http://oneblacknation.webs.com/

http://blacknation.vpweb.com/default.html
 
When you vote you only have 2 choices. Lucifer or Satan and you catch hell either way you go.

The people running and the offices they are running for are based on a white reality and the power of keeping blacks sleep.

Those whites got a problem when blacks separate and start getting their true identity back and start taking the world back from Satan (white people)

http://oneblacknation.webs.com/

http://blacknation.vpweb.com/default.html


You obviously failed high school government studies.

Do you walk to work?

Do you heat your house/apartment off grid?

Do you have a garden on your property sufficient enough to feed your self independently of buying groceries?

If not, your white folks problems are your problems too.

Real talk!
 
That was the same question asked by the so called "Black" Nationalists 50 years ago.

They claimed back then that all that marching and all that non-violence talk was a waste of time.

Well those that couldn't vote even though they had the right to vote never asked "what exactly real, tangible, and concrete was gained from the March on Selma?"

Not choosing to vote is not the same as being prevented from voting.

Isn't wonderful that you now have that option?

Then how is it that we have and need a "Voting Rights Act" and black people are STILL fighting for the right to vote in 2015?

Not to mention to vote for either two parties that could give one fuck about blacks and black issues with racism today.
 
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Then how is it that we have and need a "Voting Rights Act" and black people are STILL fighting for the right to vote in 2015?

Not to mention to vote for either two parties that could give one fuck about blacks and black issues with racism today.

You think the struggle is over?

Typical lazy ass millennial.
 
Then how is it that we have and need a "Voting Rights Act" and black people are STILL fighting for the right to vote in 2015?

Not to mention to vote for either two parties that could give one fuck about blacks and black issues
with racism today.

Maybe you have the wrong perception: voting for political parties instead of individuals and their stand on the issues ? - in which case, you're probably overlooking people who look like you and/or who are concerned about issues similar to yours.
 
You think the struggle is over?

Typical lazy ass millennial.

No the struggle is not over. We were demanding loafs of bread in the 60s, all we got were bread crumbs. And those bread crumbs are nothing to celebrate over. That's why celebrating The March on Selma was pointless.
 
Maybe you have the wrong perception: voting for political parties instead of individuals and their stand on the issues ? - in which case, you're probably overlooking people who look like you and/or who are concerned about issues similar to yours.

I apologize. I generalized in that statement. And trust me, I'm not overlooking anyone. If I am, then show me. But help me understand what democratic/republican politician is really about that life and stands on what he says about issues you maybe concerned about also?

Free Universal Health
Decreasing the wealth gap
Ending the war on drugs
Improving public education
Ending the war on terror
A better use of your taxes
Improving our economy

Whichever it is, I've watched and seen politicians come and go that talk and don't back what they say. Unless there's an incentive and that incentive being money, there's never going to be change in America.

Well unless there's a large enough people for protest, riot, or war to re-fight for our rights instead of celebrating.
 
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No the struggle is not over. We were demanding loafs of bread in the 60s, all we got were bread crumbs. And those bread crumbs are nothing to celebrate over. That's why celebrating The March on Selma was pointless.

I don't know about you, but I demand the opportunity.

I can take it from there!
 
It's sad that were the only ones demanding our rights while everyone else are supplied, handed, and given opportunities on a platter with fruits and veggies on the side.


It is sad. That's the reality of the situation. That's why we celebrate the struggle of Selma, instead of feeling sorry for ourselves.

Do you think they going to be given to you?

What are doing for the struggle?
 
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I plant some crops every year. Rich powerful whites have been trying to destroy the rain forest for years. The ocean is so polluted that if we do not take extreme measures to clean it up that it may never recover. The worship of war has come from the nature of whites and every other race follows them.

So thoughtone the problem of the world is whites. And seems like nearly the whole world is forced to follow them to hell. So while the poor and oppressed suffer, others have joined with the oppressor against the oppressed.

I am shocked to see blacks with money act like their ancestors came over here on the mayflower. So brainwashed they cannot see who their open enemy is. The only race of people that worship a God that does not look like them. The other races that changed the truth about a black man coming at the end of the world to save the world and made the story to fit their race and culture. Such as the orientals and Buddhism.

http://oneblacknation.webs.com/

http://blacknation.vpweb.com/default.html
 
It is sad. That's the reality of the situation. That's why we celebrate the struggle of Selma, instead of feeling sorry for ourselves.

Do you think they going to be given to you?

What are doing for the struggle?

It's not about feeling sorry for ourselves, it's just being honest and real with ourselves about Selma.

But to answer your question, no rights will not be handed to me and as far as my role in my struggle to bring change: I'm still brainstorming and having conversations with deep brothers like yourselves on different forums on how that can actually happen. Or how we can consolidate our powers. Words, ideas, persuasion or anything that can help.

I feel I can get ideas from you Thoughtone on how to defend ourselves collectively against white supremacy?
 
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