'Blurred Lines' Jury Orders Robin Thicke and Pharrell Williams to Pay $7.4 million

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Good artists borrow. Great artists steal. On Tuesday, a California federal jury delivered its own message to artists everywhere that inspiration can rise to copyright infringement.

The verdict was reached after eight days of trial testimony examining whether Robin Thicke's and Pharrell Williams' "Blurred Lines," one of the most successful songs of the young century, was improperly drawn from a soulful hallmark from the prior one — Marvin Gaye's 1977 hit "Got to Give It Up." Ultimately, a jury comprised of five women and three men heard dueling opinions regarding "Blurred Lines" and decided to order Thicke and Williams to pay $4 million in copyright damages plus profits attributable to infringement, which for Thicke was determined to be $1.8 million and for Williams was determined to be $1.6 million. Both escaped statutory damages as the infringement was found not to be willful.

The hardly predictable outcome over a song that made more than $16 million in profits will resonate in the music industry where copyright lawsuits are commonplace, but few such suits ever make it to trial. Most never get past the summary judgment phase because judges carefully draw the line on any lawsuits alleging misappropriation of non-protectable ideas. The highest profile disputes like the one between Tom Petty and Sam Smith over "Stay With Me" usually settle. Not only did the "Blurred Lines" case go the distance, both sides brought esteemed entertainment litigators to convince the jury.
Howard King, representing Thicke, Williams and rapper T.I (a.k.a. Clifford Harris Jr.), spoke how artists need wide berth in their creative pursuits. During opening arguments, he told the jury, "We're going to show you what you already know: that no one owns a genre or a style or a groove. To be inspired by Marvin Gaye is an honorable thing."
Over the next week-and-a-half, King would execute a two-pronged strategy: First, he emphasized that Frankie and Nona Gaye only owned compositional elements in the "Got to Give It Up" sheet music, leaving out more recognizable elements of the recording like the percussion and singing. Second, he had witnesses testifying both to the differences of "Blurred Lines" and "Got To Give It Up" as well as the similarities in other famous songs.

The case has been tough on Thicke thanks to depositions revealing he lied in media interviews and was drunk and high on Vicodin. But the singer attempted to do himself a favor by showcasing that songs can be stitched together with ease and that perceptions about similarity can be deceiving. On the witness stand, he sang a medley of U2's "With Or Without You," The Beatles' "Let It Be," Alphaville's "Forever Young," Bob Marley's "No Woman No Cry" and Michael Jackson's "Man In the Mirror."

Williams also testified about his song creation process, admitting to jurors that "Blurred Lines" channels "that '70s feeling" and that he looked up to Gaye, but that to feel, isn't copyright infringement. "The last thing you want to do as a creator is take something of someone else's when you love him," said Williams, expressing a point-of-view that's in contrast to the maxim that good artists borrow and great artists steal.

Richard Busch, attorney for the Gayes, appeared to know he'd need to overcome the celebrity charisma of his counterparts.

"They will smile at you and they will be charming," he said in opening arguments. "Keep one thing in mind: They are professional performers."
The Gaye family was handicapped by U.S. District Judge John Kronstadt's decision to preclude use at trial of the original sound recording of "Got to Give It Up" because Gaye's copyrights on the song were limited to the sheet music compositions. Before the trial began, Busch wondered whether his side would get a fair trial, and while the judge eventually allowed a stripped-down version of Gaye's song to be played for the jury's ears, the attorney was disturbed by comments made by the Thicke side that he argued had "poisoned" the trial. The judge dismissed those concerns. Any lingering unhappiness over the judge's decision leading to the jury's verdict will likely be taken on appeal.

To demonstrate copyright infringement, Busch instead leaned on the musicologists, who testified of similarities in signature phrase, hook, keyboard-bass interplay, lyrics and theme of the songs. Although "Blurred Lines" was the headliner, the Gaye family also attempted to prove that Thicke's "Love After War" was an infringement of Gaye's "After the Dance" too.

Then, there was the rare peek at "Blurred Lines" financial success as the Gaye family made their case for damages. Busch had accounting experts speak about all the money made — including $5.6 million in profits to Thicke, $5.2 million to Williams and $700K to T.I. and the rest of the $16.7 million in overall profits to record companies Interscope, UMG Distribution and Star Trak. The Gayes also wanted some of the $11 million in touring income attributable to "Blurred Lines" success as well as money for overhead costs and statutory damages for willful infringement.

All told, the Gaye family was seeking more than $25 million — a mammoth demand that would shatter the song plagiarism high-water mark of $5.4 million that a California court ordered Michael Bolton and Sony to pay two decades ago for infringing The Isley Brothers' "Love is a Wonderful Thing."

In closing arguments, Busch raised the issue of Thicke's credibility, telling jurors, ""What it boils down to is 'Yes, we copied. Yes, we took it. Yes, we lied about it. Yes, we changed our story every time'... It boils down to this: Who do you believe?... Are you going to believe Robin Thicke, who told us all he's not an honest person?"
King offered a rebuttal.

"Why would Mr. Williams need to copy anyone to create a hit?" he asked the jury. "Why would Mr. Thicke and Mr. Williams endure a proceeding like this, where their personal financial details are revealed to the world?"

In what might now be the landmark legal controversy over songcraft, the jury decided to find that Thicke and Williams infringed both songs. The two were only punished $9,375 for "Love After War," but it will be the multimillion dollar verdict regarding "Blurred Lines" that will sound out for ages.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/blurred-lines-jury-orders-robin-779445
 
Re: 'Blurred Lines' Jury Orders Robin Thicke and Pharrell Williams to Pay $7.4 millio

Good!
 
Re: 'Blurred Lines' Jury Orders Robin Thicke and Pharrell Williams to Pay $7.4 millio

Jury decided, I wound up being wrong on which way the case would turn out. Jury says they stole then that ends that in my book.
 
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They got caught. Gotta pay up. Sometimes stealing/borrowing/mildly mimicking is not intentional. Seriously, how many keys are there on a piano? There is a great chance that someone somewhere has combined these notes before. As a singer I find myself doing it on occasion - this sounds like...damn.

Sometimes it is intentional. Either way, these cats gotta pay, but they will likely appeal and have most of the Gaye money given to the greedy ass lawyers
 
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well, i guess i was right.
 
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"If you can't hear what I'm trying to say"

7.4 million biatches.

"Maybe I'm going deaf,
Maybe I'm going blind
Maybe I'm out of my mind"
 
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Common folk ain't caring about music theory or creative license or any other techno music babble.

They just apply the ear test.

The ear test had that song guilty from the get-go.
 
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:dance::dance::dance::dance::dance:

Triflin' mofos should have just done the right thing at the beginning. Now they look like a couple of crooks 7 million dollars lighter.
 
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Ouch!

in future do like the rest of us, just listen to some marvin, don't take him into the studio with you. He's very expensive, even dead.

peace
 
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I didn't know the song was that big :dunno:

I ain't like it
 
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at people saying they wouldn't win
http://www.bgol.us/board/showthread.php?t=749974&page=7&highlight=marvin+gaye


Ok. I was asking. I know there were only a few of us who called it a rip off. You refreshed my memory a bit and i think you were the one with experience in the industry who argued against the culture vulture.

I'd love to hear from the dumbass poster here on BGOL that tried to say Pherrell didn't do anything wrong and you can't copyright a groove when I stated the obvious last year. Nigga please. Only an idiot would say he didn't bite Marvin Gaye's song with Blurred Lines.
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EMI was correct in telling the family not to sue because blurred lines is not a sample. In music having a similar sound is not copyright infringement. The family will more than likely lose the case and the money they were paid in the settlement.
Told y'all. Somebody steering that family wrong
baseless claim that will lose in court but tarnish Thickes image a bit
http://www.bgol.us/board/showthread.php?t=749974&page=7&highlight=marvin+gaye
 
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http://www.bgol.us/board/showthread.php?t=749924


http://www.bgol.us/board/showthread.php?t=749974

http://www.bgol.us/board/showpost.php?p=14750098&postcount=74

http://www.bgol.us/board/showthread.php?t=815145

http://www.bgol.us/board/showthread.php?t=814265

http://www.bgol.us/board/showpost.php?p=13645106&postcount=19

http://www.bgol.us/board/showthread.php?t=749974

Vicuous, coliojones, exiledking, DWBass, ItIsWhatItIs, blackntan, brownturd and a host of other clueless clowns come get your medicine...The rest of you know who you are. Especially the fake ass industry cats who were talking out of their ass. I swear this board got more fraudulent music industry posers than anything else.
 
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Originally Posted by Amajorfucup View Post
Ok. I was asking. I know there were only a few of us who called it a rip off. You refreshed my memory a bit and i think you were the one with experience in the industry who argued against the culture vulture.
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I'd love to hear from the dumbass poster here on BGOL that tried to say Pherrell didn't do anything wrong and you can't copyright a groove when I stated the obvious last year. Nigga please. Only an idiot would say he didn't bite Marvin Gaye's song with Blurred Lines.
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EMI was correct in telling the family not to sue because blurred lines is not a sample. In music having a similar sound is not copyright infringement. The family will more than likely lose the case and the money they were paid in the settlement.
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Originally Posted by exiledking View Post
Told y'all. Somebody steering that family wrong
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Originally Posted by exiledking View Post
baseless claim that will lose in court but tarnish Thickes image a bit




:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
 
Re: 'Blurred Lines' Jury Orders Robin Thicke and Pharrell Williams to Pay $7.4 millio

They had tone deaf, non musician jurors! Hope they appeal. It's a bullshit verdict.
 
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comments about the verdict

Robin knew he stole it, even his song's title suggest Freudian theme, because he & Pharrell stole the essence of that music, switched the lyrics, etc.
He filed 1st, because he knew everybody told him it was GTGIU, & thought because MG's kids did nothing when he stole, "After The Dance" on his prev album, they wouldn't do anything this time.

He's a liar & a cheat, & threw Pharrell under the bus when things got hot. We see what happened to him. He's had no mega hits w/out using MG's work, & he's been in the business for over 15 yrs. Dude got desperate and stole.

He left the heirs no recourse but to countersue, because he struck 1st pre-emptively to appear legit. Pharrell borrows/steals heavily from musicians of that era, & Curtis Mayfield's kids may be gunning for him next.


They let him get away w/ stealing, "After The Dance" several years ago.
He sued first, because too many DJ's etc. were saying he stole "Got To Give It Up." He knew he did it & did a pre-emptive strike, thinking he got away w/ it before, he can do it again.

His music co. knew he was stealing & why they/re involved in suit to cover their behinds. Haf they not tried & be slick in striking 1st, perhaps the Gayes would've allowed him to slide again. Being slick, he'll never know now.

As the day is long, they stole, Marvin's song, and have you noticed RT's life since then? A mess & it was so ever speedy. Dude is reaping what he's sown. No good can come out of not stealing 1 but 2 works. OMG to thee.
 
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I disagree with em but A) it aint my money and B) it's over .

All of house music needs to find the first song with the 4 on the floor beat and pay that man.
 
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http://www.bgol.us/board/showthread.php?t=749924


http://www.bgol.us/board/showthread.php?t=749974

http://www.bgol.us/board/showpost.php?p=14750098&postcount=74

http://www.bgol.us/board/showthread.php?t=815145

http://www.bgol.us/board/showthread.php?t=814265

http://www.bgol.us/board/showpost.php?p=13645106&postcount=19

http://www.bgol.us/board/showthread.php?t=749974

Vicuous, coliojones, exiledking, brownturd and a host of other clueless clowns come get your medicine...The rest of you know who you are. Especially the fake ass industry cats who were talking out of their ass. I swear this board got more fraudulent music industry posers than anything else.


Them fools ain't comin nowhere near this post. Way too much crow being served.

dan-heist.jpg
 
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Them fools ain't comin nowhere near this post. Way too much crow being served.
Exactly. Fucking loud mouth, uninformed, pseudo expert, pieces of shit.


i-moses, come get your victory fam. These bootlicking fools know nothing.
 
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I disagree with em but A) it aint my money and B) it's over .

All of house music needs to find the first song with the 4 on the floor beat and pay that man.

just hold your L

ex:lol:
 
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Exactly. Fucking loud mouth, uninformed, pseudo expert, pieces of shit.


i-moses, come get your victory fam. These bootlicking fools know nothing.

yo bigbro we had the same idea lol. yappin asses :smh:
 
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Im glad Robin Thicke threw Pharrell's coon ass under the bus. Im glad the world now knows Pharrell STEALS beat ideas and lazily calls them "inspirations". Fuck a New Black/Old Coon.
 
Re: 'Blurred Lines' Jury Orders Robin Thicke and Pharrell Williams to Pay $7.4 millio

comments about the verdict

Robin knew he stole it, even his song's title suggest Freudian theme, because he & Pharrell stole the essence of that music, switched the lyrics, etc.
He filed 1st, because he knew everybody told him it was GTGIU, & thought because MG's kids did nothing when he stole, "After The Dance" on his prev album, they wouldn't do anything this time.

He's a liar & a cheat, & threw Pharrell under the bus when things got hot. We see what happened to him. He's had no mega hits w/out using MG's work, & he's been in the business for over 15 yrs. Dude got desperate and stole.

He left the heirs no recourse but to countersue, because he struck 1st pre-emptively to appear legit. Pharrell borrows/steals heavily from musicians of that era, & Curtis Mayfield's kids may be gunning for him next.


They let him get away w/ stealing, "After The Dance" several years ago.
He sued first, because too many DJ's etc. were saying he stole "Got To Give It Up." He knew he did it & did a pre-emptive strike, thinking he got away w/ it before, he can do it again.

His music co. knew he was stealing & why they/re involved in suit to cover their behinds. Haf they not tried & be slick in striking 1st, perhaps the Gayes would've allowed him to slide again. Being slick, he'll never know now.

As the day is long, they stole, Marvin's song, and have you noticed RT's life since then? A mess & it was so ever speedy. Dude is reaping what he's sown. No good can come out of not stealing 1 but 2 works. OMG to thee.

lol at you being this mad about some other mans life. They won in the court of law. We all know courts can do things that people disagree with. I aint gonna sweat it. I think it means a lot of bad things in the future for a lot of music cases, but it's probably no big deal in the scheme of things. Case is over. My opinion didn't win. The facts are the same though. It aint the same progression, he didnt sing the same melody, and it aint the same song.

People were allowed to sue for "feel" which I've never heard anyone win on before. I believe the court of public opinion had more to do with the verdict than actual science, but hey- that works sometimes, and I don't blame the lawyers for using whatevr tools they had. Dupe a bunch of people into getting mad about something they know nothing about and it csn work for you. I take off my hat to em.
 
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They had tone deaf, non musician jurors! Hope they appeal. It's a bullshit verdict.

really bro:confused:
 
Re: 'Blurred Lines' Jury Orders Robin Thicke and Pharrell Williams to Pay $7.4 millio

Exactly. Fucking loud mouth, uninformed, pseudo expert, pieces of shit.


i-moses, come get your victory fam. These bootlicking fools know nothing.
Bruh, I tried to tell em, but... :smh:
 
Re: 'Blurred Lines' Jury Orders Robin Thicke and Pharrell Williams to Pay $7.4 millio

lol at you being this mad about some other mans life. They won in the court of law. We all know courts can do things that people disagree with. I aint gonna sweat it. I think it means a lot of bad things in the future for a lot of music cases, but it's probably no big deal in the scheme of things. Case is over. My opinion didn't win. The facts are the same though. It aint the same progression, he didnt sing the same melody, and it aint the same song.

People were allowed to sue for "feel" which I've never heard anyone win on before. I believe the court of public opinion had more to do with the verdict than actual science, but hey- that works sometimes, and I don't blame the lawyers for using whatevr tools they had. Dupe a bunch of people into getting mad about something they know nothing about and it csn work for you. I take off my hat to em.

i'm sorry i meant those were from the comment section of articles on the case...:giggle:
 
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They had tone deaf, non musician jurors! Hope they appeal. It's a bullshit verdict.

Are you serious?

I'm a fucking musician, and I have been since 1988. May not have been as long as you, but I've been around music long enough to have a qualified opinion. I was a music major, and have a background in music theory, and can even transcribe.

That shit sounded like a damn ripoff.

The jury thought so, too.

You're mad like the money is coming out of your pockets, bro.

Pay them their damn money.

They'll think ten times before they do that again. :lol:
 
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i guess

but man

i heard blurred lines

and turned it off and listened to marvin's song.

he did it better

i was totally shocked that he wasn't in the credits. it feels like the same exact song...

pharrell should be ashamed of himself on this one.

sad tho they played around and made a hit.. that says something cause if you listen to the pella...robin thicke is laughing throughout the whole shit singing

for real.

i would re-release marvin's song if i was the estate and murder robin thicke's whole buzz...well that's what i would have done.

these kids (like im old haha) don't know nothing about it.

just say its a new artist and just call him Marvin and drop the gaye.

because they're saying this shit is a travesty and robbery. this is marvin's song.

and thicke in true white fashion stole something and is now suing the people complaining about the theft.. he wants them to sit quiet and take it

they don't know marvin gaye, that's clear. the target core audience that made this a hit has no idea who he is. and the old ass dj's are too pussy to rock the boat.. id' play this song then play marvin's right after it every single time. he needs his royalties one way or another





culture vulture for sure. im more disappointed in pharrell than robin thicke. pharrell know damn well that's a marvin gaye song.

Yea strictly from a front man point of view.

it just speaks to how forgetful most are. Marvin gaye is an icon.. and people didn't make the connection overall.

Robin Thicke did not steal from Marvin. This track does not contain a "sample" nor does it contains "lyrics" from the original song. What you and others are advocating for is paying for a "sound" which is not possible or a violation.

That would be like a producer making a song using the "The New Jack Swing" sound. No one controls a sound or have rights to a sound.

...........
 
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lol at you being this mad about some other mans life. They won in the court of law. We all know courts can do things that people disagree with. I aint gonna sweat it. I think it means a lot of bad things in the future for a lot of music cases, but it's probably no big deal in the scheme of things. Case is over. My opinion didn't win. The facts are the same though. It aint the same progression, he didnt sing the same melody, and it aint the same song.

People were allowed to sue for "feel" which I've never heard anyone win on before. I believe the court of public opinion had more to do with the verdict than actual science, but hey- that works sometimes, and I don't blame the lawyers for using whatevr tools they had. Dupe a bunch of people into getting mad about something they know nothing about and it csn work for you. I take off my hat to em.
Loud and wrong again. Nigga die already. Those from a comments section you dumb son of a bitch. Take the L and eat a dick.

Bruh, I tried to tell em, but... :smh:
:cool:
 
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lol at you being this mad about some other mans life. They won in the court of law. We all know courts can do things that people disagree with. I aint gonna sweat it. I think it means a lot of bad things in the future for a lot of music cases, but it's probably no big deal in the scheme of things. Case is over. My opinion didn't win. The facts are the same though. It aint the same progression, he didnt sing the same melody, and it aint the same song.

People were allowed to sue for "feel" which I've never heard anyone win on before. I believe the court of public opinion had more to do with the verdict than actual science, but hey- that works sometimes, and I don't blame the lawyers for using whatevr tools they had. Dupe a bunch of people into getting mad about something they know nothing about and it csn work for you. I take off my hat to em.


 
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Wasn't nobody tripping off of Sam Smith Stealing from Tom Petty though huh? Petty deserves it off of "feel" right?
 
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