Last night on Jeapardy... Is this racism?

[alexw]

Its racist because we have a panel of 3 individuals of higher than average knowledge and or intellect who either purposely or subconsciously avoid the most glaringly black thing on the trivia board. That level of group think cannot be discounted as coincidence coming from a panel of learned people. The mindset on display is one of taught racism.

It affects us as a whole because it serves as evidence of the level of indifference and neglect held by the majority class (both directly and indirectly).

Its an example of the systematic oppression and general disregard for all things black held by the masses.

Its blatant racism on display bro.

if three individuals disregard all things black that damn sure isn't systematic oppression man and it isnt defined as racism

those three mofos are game show contestants...not lawmakers, police chiefs, or ceos

and even if they were, racism would be defined by how their actions hurted us as a whole

racism would be jeopardy not having black contestants or changing the rules to make it harder for its minority participants

prejudice and ignorance would be avoiding a category where they lacked knowledge

again there is a difference between the terms

 

[EPDC]

european history is very much so american history

hell youre indoctrinated by it all through out grade school

and black people cannot be racist since we do not have the power to affect things on a systematic level therefore youre making my point

but we can be prejudice as fuck against whites, gays, etc.

I'm speaking on Black American history as it is separated from American history as if it is not one in the same.

There is European history well before America, just as there was Black history before America. The American school system though likes to make it seem as if Black history started after America was founded.

Regarding what is in bold, is that prejudice tied to a racist system though?

 

[alexw]

Through the American schooling system, Blacks are not making the curriculum nor are they publishing the textbooks that are used in public schools. Whites are in control of the public education system in America. They decide what should go in the textbook and they decide on who gets to publish it. They also decide what gets taught based on their curriculum devlopment. In American Civics, European History, and EVEN World History, whites control the contents. This is indeed part of institutional racism.

ive already said that blacks do not have any power to be racist

since racism is based on higher systems at play

but bro, someone avoiding a category isnt racism...

for example i dont have any gay friends, does that make me homophobic?

if im playing a pickup game of hoops and the last player we pick is gay...does that make me homophobic?

this is what yall are basically saying in here

 

[alexw]

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Regarding what is in bold, is that prejudice tied to a racist system though?

of course it is

i dont trust any black person who doesnt have any prejudices against whites

usually those are the true blue coons

 

[Mo-Better]

we must learn the difference between racism, prejudice, and ignorance

this is simply the latter fellas

I have to agree this shows ignorance but its systemic.

 

[Amajorfucup]

if three individuals disregard all things black that damn sure isn't systematic oppression man and it isnt defined as racism

those three mofos are game show contestants...not lawmakers, police chiefs, or ceos

and even if they were, racism would be defined by how their actions hurted us as a whole

racism would be jeopardy not having black contestants or changing the rules to make it harder for its minority participants

prejudice and ignorance would be avoiding a category where they lacked knowledge

again there is a difference between the terms

How can three unrelated individuals have the same sentiment and apparent either disinterest, ignorance and/or disdain for the exact same issue without prompts? Thats racism. There would be a better argument if this were just one individual but when the examples are in accord i think theres more at play here than basic prejudice. I think we have a concerted display of race based preference. That my friend, is racist by definition. Certainly when the offending party belongs to the ruling majority class which is born with privilege and benefit of the doubt.

And we dont know if they are lawmakers, law enforcement, business owners or not but what we do know if they share like minded ideals with them and are without doubt displaying race based bias at the very least. Again, my point is racism manifests itself in many ways. The hardline black and white definitions you use just no longer apply based on my observations and experiences dealing with these people. They make esasy teaching tools but real life application and identification has shown me that the issue is more nuanced.

And to reiterate, i dont dispute whether ignorance and prejudice are at play here. Im merely saying that so is racism. And even if that racism birthed said ignorance and prejudice, its still racist sentiment and racist manifestations.

 

[EPDC]

How can three unrelated individuals have the same sentiment and apparent either disinterest, ignorance and/or disdain for the exact same issue without prompts? Thats racism. There would be a better argument if this were just one individual but when the examples are in accord i think theres more at play here than basic prejudice. I think we have a concerted display of race based preference. That my friend, is racist by definition. Certainly when the offending party belongs to the ruling majority class which is born with privilege and benefit of the doubt.

And we dont know if they are lawmakers, law enforcement, business owners or not but what we do know if they share like minded ideals with them and are without doubt displaying race based bias at the very least. Again, my point is racism manifests itself in many ways. The hardline black and white definitions you use just no longer apply based on my observations and experiences dealing with these people. They make esasy teaching tools but real life application and identification has shown me that the issue is more nuanced.

And to reiterate, i dont dispute whether ignorance and prejudice are at play here. Im merely saying that so is racism. And even if that racism birthed said ignorance and prejudice, its still racist sentiment and racist manifestations.

 

[4 Dimensional]

but bro, someone avoiding a category isnt racism...

It's not about them avoiding, but more of them not knowing. You can be ignorant and not know something, but I'm most certain that if that category said "U.S. History" or "American History" they would have at least tried.

The racism comes into play because they are a reflection of the education system. When one thinks of "African-American" History, most people wouldn't know what to expect other than the usual MLK and Tubman. American History opens the field to MANY topics, which they would feel comfortable with at least trying. American History in public education is white biased in curriculum, especially during the topics of slavery If Black history was a part of American History, then we wouldn't be in great need of Black History courses and those contestants on Jeopardy would be more comfortable on the topic. Just my imo.

 

[alexw]

How can three unrelated individuals have the same sentiment and apparent either disinterest, ignorance and/or disdain for the exact same issue without prompts? Thats racism. There would be a better argument if this were just one individual but when the examples are in accord i think theres more at play here than basic prejudice. I think we have a concerted display of race based preference. That my friend, is racist by definition. Certainly when the offending party belongs to the ruling majority class which is born with privilege and benefit of the doubt.

And we dont know if they are lawmakers, law enforcement, business owners or not but what we do know if they share like minded ideals with them and are without doubt displaying race based bias at the very least. Again, my point is racism manifests itself in many ways. The hardline black and white definitions you use just no longer apply based on my observations and experiences dealing with these people. They make esasy teaching tools but real life application and identification has shown me that the issue is more nuanced.

And to reiterate, i dont dispute whether ignorance and prejudice are at play here. Im merely saying that so is racism. And even if that racism birthed said ignorance and prejudice, its still racist sentiment and racist manifestations.

in this case, the only thing that indicates racism is the school systems that each individual comes from

but avoiding a category that one lacks knowledge is the definition of ignorance not racism

racism- the school "system" did not teach black history
prejudice-"I" dont care to learn black history since im a tech major
ignorance- "I" have to avoid the black history category since im not educated on the subject

again there is a huge difference between racism and the other two

racism is part of a larger hierarchy
prejudice and ignorance is a matter of self

when a large group of people who share prejudice beliefs assemble that is the precursor to racism

 

[alexw]

It's not about them avoiding, but more of them not knowing. You can be ignorant and not know something, but I'm most certain that if that category said "U.S. History" or "American History" they would have at least tried.

The racism comes into play because they are a reflection of the education system. When one thinks of "African-American" History, most people wouldn't know what to expect other than the usual MLK and Tubman. American History opens the field to MANY topics, which they would feel comfortable with at least trying. American History in public education is white biased in curriculum, especially during the topics of slavery If Black history was a part of American History, then we wouldn't be in great need of Black History courses and those contestants on Jeopardy would be more comfortable on the topic. Just my imo.

again the racism youre describing comes from the school systems not the individual

now if youre expecting whites to go out and study black history then thats kinda foolish. if youre apart of the dominant society there is no need.

hell i have no desire to study european history at this point in my life since it doesnt benefit me at all

 

[Mello Mello]

They didn't think it was important enough category to study? It's very dismissive and prejudicial. Perhaps racist because it obvious they don't care to acknowledge black contributions to American society.

 

[gene cisco]

What you defined are prejudices not racism. Someone not picking a category on african american history is not racist. ignorance is not racism, its a form of prejudice. Racism is defined as a system which contributes to the oppression of a large group of people on a macro level. Someone not picking a gameshow category does not affect us on a whole. Racism is the citizens of Ferguson being accountable for over 70% of the fines paid to st louis county. Racism is public school students not getting the same materials and funding as their white counterparts. And so on...as i said their is difference between racism, prejudices, and ignorance.

It's sad that you have to explain this shit to people. If it were Asian-American history and all the contestants were black, it would probably be the last category standing. Same with white contestants.

And that isn't to downplay the importance of Asians in the west, but it just isn't studied in the fucking classroom.

Shit, put Native American history on there and everyone is avoiding it too and this was their land. About the only thing people know is they helped the pilgrims and the Trail of Tears. Cats just need to use some fucking common sense every so often.

Nothing to see here but ignorance.

 

[Amajorfucup]

but avoiding a category that one lacks knowledge is the definition of ignorance not racism

Indeed. But i dont believe we can view it in a vacuum and view it as mere prejudice or preference. To honestly engage in discourse we must examine it fully and in context. Its not just avoiding a category one person was ignorant in. Its three individuals- raised and taught in the same system of white supremacy- purposely avoiding a topic on black history during a trivia show which highlights history. Thats very telling. As a critical thinker you go into a more nuanced analysis which leads with either we believe three independent thinking very educated and/or smart people just happened to all be uneducated in the same topic, OR they just all coincidentally preferred to save it for last OR three like minded people displayed the same disinterest, apathy, disdain, and/or indifference for so-called black history. In my opinion the root cause of all responses is racism and the result is a display and manifestation of racism.

 

[4 Dimensional]

again the racism youre describing comes from the school systems not the individual

now if youre expecting whites to go out and study black history then thats kinda foolish. if youre apart of the dominant society there is no need.

hell i have no desire to study european history at this point in my life since it doesnt benefit me at all

Racism from the school systems affects the individual's education and mental state. They are a product of the American schooling system. Just like whites in general, today, are a product of a white privilege and a racist system.

I would never expect whites to willfully study Black History. But why in the hell do I/we have to learn American History based on the things that benefit them?

 

[alexw]

It's sad that you have to explain this shit to people. If it were Asian-American history and all the contestants were black, it would probably be the last category standing. Same with white contestants.

And that isn't to downplay the importance of Asians in the west, but it just isn't studied in the fucking classroom.

Shit, put Native American history on there and everyone is avoiding it too and this was their land. About the only thing people know is they helped the pilgrims and the Trail of Tears. Cats just need to use some fucking common sense every so often.

Nothing to see here but ignorance.

man fuck you....it took me 15 posts to explain what you just did in one

fuck you gene

im out this bitch!!!!!

 

[Amajorfucup]

It's sad that you have to explain this shit to people. If it were Asian-American history and all the contestants were black, it would probably be the last category standing. Same with white contestants.

Is the asian american history, contribution or experience even remotely similar or impactful as that of the african american? Huh you apologetic piece of shit?? Thats a fucking horrendous analogy on countless levels, most glaring of which is that the got dam country wasnt built on asian blood and free labor. And therefore their place in history is a mere fucking footnote in comparison to that of the black man.


alex, look no further than your co-singer as proof of the flaws in your argument. tom cisco. Seriously.

 

[4 Dimensional]

It's sad that you have to explain this shit to people. If it were Asian-American history and all the contestants were black, it would probably be the last category standing. Same with white contestants.

And that isn't to downplay the importance of Asians in the west, but it just isn't studied in the fucking classroom.

Shit, put Native American history on there and everyone is avoiding it too and this was their land. About the only thing people know is they helped the pilgrims and the Trail of Tears. Cats just need to use some fucking common sense every so often.

Nothing to see here but ignorance.

American history IS Black history and to not know Black History is a direct reflection on the racist education system.

 

[alexw]

Is the asian american history, contribution or experience even remotely similar or impactful as that of the african american? Huh you apologetic piece of shit?? Thats a fucking horrendous analogy on countless levels, most glaring of which is that the got dam country wasnt built on asian blood and free labor. And therefore their place in history is a mere fucking footnote in comparison to that of the black man.


alex, look no further than your co-singer as proof of the flaws in your argument. tom cisco. Seriously.

youre moving the goal post now

either its racism or its not

if i and 2 others brothers chose the asian category last by your definition in this thread we're racist

seriously that is your logic

 

[alexw]

American history IS Black history and to not know Black History is a direct reflection on the racist education system.

bingo!

its a reflection of the racist educational system but it is not an example of racism from the jeopardys program participants

 

[zenman]

Being unknowable although the country was built off our backs is precisely one of the effects of racism. Our culture, history, and lives are demeaned, undervalued and therefore edited out of the body knowledge every American should know.

 

[4 Dimensional]

bingo!

its a reflection of the racist educational system but it is not an example of racism from the jeopardys program participants

But what about the effect, brotha?

You're telling the that the cause (the racist education system) doesn't effect the individual?

 

[gene cisco]

Is the asian american history, contribution or experience even remotely similar or impactful as that of the african american? Huh you apologetic piece of shit?? Thats a fucking horrendous analogy on countless levels, most glaring of which is that the got dam country wasnt built on asian blood and free labor. And therefore their place in history is a mere fucking footnote in comparison to that of the black man.


alex, look no further than your co-singer as proof of the flaws in your argument. tom cisco. Seriously.

Why did you skip over the Native American part? Let's say we confine Asians to the west, Native American history should be known by all, but it isn't. Native Americans aren't a footnote.

And do some fucking research on Asians in the west. They were very important. The first war on drugs was waged on them. Damn. Some of you cats.

 

[alexw]

But what about the effect, brotha?

You're telling the that the cause (the racist education system) doesn't effect the individual?

yes it effects individuals but not in the way youre alluding too

that racist educational system gives opportunity to some while disproportionately causing despair to others

but this in no way means the jeopardy participants are racist...just ignorant to black history

i just want us to be careful how we define racism

 

[gene cisco]

American history IS Black history and to not know Black History is a direct reflection on the racist education system.

I agree. The same can be said about Native American history and about Asian American history. The education system doesn't teach it, but do black or white people go out their way to learn that shit? Hell no. So it is last on the board regardless.

 

[bgque12]

So people avoid a category they know little or nithing about and its racism ?

I'd call it ignorance.....and OP that's a helluva reach you got there

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If you had taken the time to read what I thought you'd see that I said it wasn't racist but some people said it was and I brought it to the board to get the boards opinion.

 

[4 Dimensional]

yes it effects individuals but not in the way youre alluding too

that racist educational system gives opportunity to some while disproportionately causing despair to others

but this in no way means the jeopardy participants are racist...just ignorant to black history

i just want us to be careful how we define racism

What you learn in the "racist" educational system effects the individual, we agree on that part.

Here is how I see it. Grades K - 12 are absolutely bounded by a "set" and standard history curriculum. Now, I am only talking about history and not the educational curriculum as a whole (meaning all other courses). The K - 12 history curriculum does not focus on Black History or any other non-white history much at all. This history curriculum standard is tailored towards whites. So from K through 12, there was never any need for whites to learn Black History (or any other non-white history). So in college, unless they take a course, then they will never feel the need to learn it or anything outside of "their" American History. This is how you end up with three contestants on Jeopardy not even attempting the category because they learned very little about "Black" History. I'm sure they know "American" History because that's what they was taught in school.

I'm not saying the contestants are racist

The OP said, "is this racism?" And based that image of the sole category of "African-American" History left, the contestants being white, and the nature of the show Jeopardy. I concluded that is was racism. Not the individuals themselves being racist (I don't know if they are racist or not, but they are suspects until proven otherwise), but them as a product of a racist educational system that purposely separates "Black" History from "American" History.

 

[Amajorfucup]

youre moving the goal post now

either its racism or its not

if i and 2 others brothers chose the asian category last by your definition in this thread we're racist

seriously that is your logic

This is beyond idiotic logic at this point so please dont assign me that tripe as my stance or line of thinking. Black experience is not interchangeable with the experience of any minority group in the country. So the moment you present other races in the same scenario as if the surrounding facts are even partially similar or easily swapped out i tune out. Its an absurd proposition. The goal posts were moved by the moron who brought up Asian and Native history to begin with. One is NOT like the other.

Why did you skip over the Native American part?

The better question would be why was it even brought up? It isnt remotely relevant or an appropriate or equatable piece to compare. Grouping asians, natives and blacks together for purposes of this discussion is akin to throwing a pile of shit against the wall and clinging on to which ever slides to the floor last. You're an imbecile.

 

[playahaitian]

i AM on the fence on this one. But also realize that most white people dont know and don't care about our history in this county.

^^^^

 

[alexw]

This is beyond idiotic logic at this point so please dont assign me that tripe as my stance or line of thinking. Black experience is not interchangeable with the experience of any minority group in the country. So the moment you present other races in the same scenario as if the surrounding facts are even partially similar or easily swapped out i tune out. Its an absurd proposition. The goal posts were moved by the moron who brought up Asian and Native history to begin with. One is NOT like the other.


The better question would be why was it even brought up? It isnt remotely relevant or an appropriate or equatable piece to compare. Grouping asians, natives and blacks together for purposes of this discussion is akin to throwing a pile of shit against the wall and clinging on to which ever slides to the floor last. You're an imbecile.

yeah i have to tune out too because respectfully youre not a making a bit of sense. basically your premise is that only blacks experience racism. nevermind the natives who were completely wiped out and the japs who who went to internment camps due to white racism. the fact remains, that if the last category on a game show was native or asian, a group of blacks, whites, or mexicans wouldve more than likely chose it last. its not racism its ignorance to the topic at hand. so by your very logic, theyre racist when we have absolutely no power to do so. get it through that thick skull bro...racism is systematic. youve been debating prejudices for two pages now

 

[Mentor B]

Sometimes, deliberate ignorance breeds racism.

 

[Amajorfucup]

yeah i have to tune out too because respectfully youre not a making a bit of sense. basically your premise is that only blacks experience racism. nevermind the natives who were completely wiped out and the japs who who went to internment camps due to white racism. the fact remains, that if the last category on a game show was native or asian, a group of blacks, whites, or mexicans wouldve more than likely chose it last. its not racism its ignorance to the topic at hand. so by your very logic, theyre racist when we have absolutely no power to do so. get it through that thick skull bro...racism is systematic. youve been debating prejudices for two pages now

Even clouding the argument by introducing those other groups is ridiculous. To offer them as interchangeable parts is absurd man. Its nothing more than a distraction that serves no purpose other than giving those with weak arguments something to pontificate and argue about. Why interject with useless hypotheticals based largely on speculation and opinion and pretend the history, treatment, and contributions to american history are even in the same ballpark as blacks? As if all groups are treated equal and the disparate treatment and oppression faced by all are the same. Thats an intellectually dishonest stance.

Funny you accuse me of having the thick skull but it is you who either fails or refuses to understand or acknowledge the nuances of the discussion and rather sticks to a grade school rudimentary understanding of prejudice and racism.

We strongly disagree on this one my man. And thats cool.

Sometimes, deliberate ignorance breeds racism.

And sometimes deliberate ignorance is a form of racism. Cacs love playing dumb.

 

[Mentor B]

And sometimes deliberate ignorance is a form of racism. Cacs love playing dumb.

Hehe...now, you singing my tune. I'm constantly saying that all over this board.

 

[gene cisco]

The better question would be why was it even brought up? It isnt remotely relevant or an appropriate or equatable piece to compare. Grouping asians, natives and blacks together for purposes of this discussion is akin to throwing a pile of shit against the wall and clinging on to which ever slides to the floor last. You're an imbecile.

Stop being simple. All of it is relevant.

You already showed your disdain for Asian influence in American history. Whites show that same disdain towards us. So you'd probably be like fuck Asian-American history if it were given as a subject to study for the show. You might show similar feelings to Native Americans. You'd place them secondary after black history. It's only natural. That isn't racism, it is bias.

You do know all contestants know what will be presented, don't you?