You sir are correct lol
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You sir are correct lol
They can't amnesty Bosh and there is no team in their right mind who will take on his contract, unless it's expiring, with how bad he's playing. Just ask the Knicks how that's worked out for them with Amare
The Heat are stuck with this Dude for at least the next 3 seasons...
Bosh is not playing bad. He is currently playing on a team that has Norris Cole and Mario Chalmers as his back court and a D league guard to back them up. His wing players are Granger and James Enis.
Bosh starting center is another player from the D league in Whiteside and the back up is under sized birdman.
Without Wade Bosh has a hard time even getting the ball as his guards can't even throw a routine pass in the post.
You guys are funny as hell still making excuses and deflecting that Bosh is playing like shit this season! The whole conversation keeps drifting back 4 years.. You can't compare the two scenarios completely different. Bosh didn't have a ball dominant point guard to to play with, he had a more physical LeBron who style of play was much different than it is now so that took a lot of low post pressure off of him and allowed him to float, etc. Again, what is Bosh doing THIS season without LeBrons safety valve? Question has been asked 10 times and still no answer. Love is struggling no doubt but it's the damn All Star break and you Niggas are comparing it to a complete 4 year run when in reality Bosh was ass more than half of that run and was a HuGE part of that historic ass whipping last year....
If your gonna quote history quote all of that shit and not just selective shit to make your weak ass points more valid.... BOSH IS NOT a EVEN A B LEVEL STAR at this point and wasn't one in Miami WITH LeBron! He was always viewed as the weakest link and a lot of you made excuses for him because of LeBron and having to change is style of play but now all of a sudden no LeBron and he still is a damn joke as a #1! FOH!
If your gonna quote history quote all of that shit and not just selective shit to make your weak ass points more valid.... BOSH IS NOT a EVEN A B LEVEL STAR at this point and wasn't one in Miami WITH LeBron! He was always viewed as the weakest link and a lot of you made excuses for him because of LeBron and having to change is style of play but now all of a sudden no LeBron and he still is a damn joke as a #1! FOH!
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And Norris cole and charmers were his back court last year too... white side is the best player on the team and bird man was there last year too.... Never seen so many pleas copped in my life! He's signed a max deal, and is expected to produce regardless. Like I said before, what is the difference between have m this season and Love in MInny Dudes clown? So Love had an all star cast around him?! His numbers were miles ahead of Boshs in similar situations and he wasn't stealing max checks.... So, Bosh has to depend on role players to produce?! Wow...
Dude, he's been ass all season so... how is that speculating
He's a failure at this point as the number one option, he disappears more than he steps up, right now, Whiteside is the best player on the team, and he is definitely not living up to those big ass checks..
He steps up when he's not the focal point of the offense, NOW, with no LeBron or Wade to defer too, he's stepped all the way up to leading the team to a 21-29 record... the only speculation frankly is you assuming that he will 'step up'
Deng and Wade been missing damn near the entire half of the season leaving Bosh with Mario Chalmers and Norris Cole as his back court. Guess who backs them up? Two D league players.
Guess who is at center? Another D league players. Who is the back up center? Another D league player. Birdman is a forward who we use as a center now.
The wing players are Granger and Enis. So your analysts of Bosh is false. He has had a good season but he is a big that feeds off the olay of his back court.
You guys are funny as hell still making excuses and deflecting that Bosh is playing like shit this season! The whole conversation keeps drifting back 4 years.. You can't compare the two scenarios completely different. Bosh didn't have a ball dominant point guard to to play with, he had a more physical LeBron who style of play was much different than it is now so that took a lot of low post pressure off of him and allowed him to float, etc. Again, what is Bosh doing THIS season without LeBrons safety valve? Question has been asked 10 times and still no answer. Love is struggling no doubt but it's the damn All Star break and you Niggas are comparing it to a complete 4 year run when in reality Bosh was ass more than half of that run and was a HuGE part of that historic ass whipping last year....
If your gonna quote history quote all of that shit and not just selective shit to make your weak ass points more valid.... BOSH IS NOT a EVEN A B LEVEL STAR at this point and wasn't one in Miami WITH LeBron! He was always viewed as the weakest link and a lot of you made excuses for him because of LeBron and having to change is style of play but now all of a sudden no LeBron and he still is a damn joke as a #1! FOH!
So what was Bosh for the first 7 yrs in Toronto? Foh wit that dumb shit u talking
Bosh was important for the heats run because he drew the big men out the paint and allowed Bron and wade to operate in the lane... Don't try to diminish what he did in Miami he was more important than most think
U call bosh ass but I bet you 100 he will spot ya ass 50 points in a game of 52 and still whoop ya ass..
And Norris cole and charmers were his back court last year too... white side is the best player on the team and bird man was there last year too.... Never seen so many pleas copped in my life! He's signed a max deal, and is expected to produce regardless. Like I said before, what is the difference between have m this season and Love in MInny Dudes clown? So Love had an all star cast around him?! His numbers were miles ahead of Boshs in similar situations and he wasn't stealing max checks.... So, Bosh has to depend on role players to produce?! Wow...
Whiteside nor Bosh can't even get a clean entry post pass. We just brought up a D league player in Tyler Johnson and he already is playing better than Norris Cole and Mario. That tells you how bad the guard play has been.
Bosh goes off everytime Napier gets extended minutes because Napier actively looks for Bosh and drop beautiful pocket passes.
Wade and Napier look for our bigs and give them nice passes for them to work. Mario and Cole can never drop a pocket pass or give the bigs easy looks
Again.... Pleas being copped! So, during the finals run the Heat had Chris Paul running point? Oh, and that D League center is the best player on the team at this point...
And you STILL consistently avoid my comparative question.... I wonder why...
All these excuses and pleas being made for Vosh are here hilarious! So, cool, he can't win games by hilmself BUT give me hollow numbers then. Still be a stat stuffer, don't just blend into the background and be a jokey check stealer.... love was clowned because he put up bad numbers on a bad team... And Bosh can't even do that AND he's making twice as much as Love was... Phish is a fraud and a check stealing joke no matter how many excuses you try to make for him.... Been one for the past 3 seasons. Had ONE maybe two good series with the Heat with LeBron but for the most part he disappeared, much like he's doing this season...
but at least white side is doing the other things, rebounding, blocking shots, being active on defense.... all you keep saying is Boshs play is dependent on everyone else, which again is my whole point.... He's not a true star... He's a C level check stealer.... Think about what you just said, Bosh is dependent on Napier to play better....
Again.... Pleas being copped! So, during the finals run the Heat had Chris Paul running point? Oh, and that D League center is the best player on the team at this point...
And you STILL consistently avoid my comparative question.... I wonder why...
All these excuses and pleas being made for Vosh are here hilarious! So, cool, he can't win games by hilmself BUT give me hollow numbers then. Still be a stat stuffer, don't just blend into the background and be a jokey check stealer.... love was clowned because he put up bad numbers on a bad team... And Bosh can't even do that AND he's making twice as much as Love was... Phish is a fraud and a check stealing joke no matter how many excuses you try to make for him.... Been one for the past 3 seasons. Had ONE maybe two good series with the Heat with LeBron but for the most part he disappeared, much like he's doing this season...
They had Lebron and Wade running the offense the same way Lebron runs the offense for the Cavs.
but at least white side is doing the other things, rebounding, blocking shots, being active on defense.... all you keep saying is Boshs play is dependent on everyone else, which again is my whole point.... He's not a true star... He's a C level check stealer.... Think about what you just said, Bosh is dependent on Napier to play better....
Are you high
Have you seen Bosh stand next to Whiteside? Did you really ask why Whiteside gets more boards and blocks?
Back to the 6th grade rhetoric Dude.... really
Damn, weak minded sometime Bruh... I won't digress with you...Please, answer my question for the 10000th time.... What happened to the Bosh that was going to tear up the league, What is the difference to this years Bosh and the Love that was in Minny? Like I said, Love was a more productive player for less money....
BOSH IS A CHECK STEALING JOKE... AND IS A C LEVEL PLAYER AND NOT EVEN THE BEST PLAYER ON HIS TEAM AT THIS POINT! And you niggas constantly comparing. 4 year body of work to a half of a season show just how desperate you are to validate your weakness arguments considering Bosh was the invisible man more often than not during the last 3 years of the 4 years LeBron carried the Heat...
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LeBron has been doing that the last what 10-12 games... Again, we are looking at a half season... bosh was a joke most of the last 3 years with said offense
And I didn't say bosh should get more... You tried to devalue white side as a D league player, and I pointed out that that d league player is outplaying your 'superstar'. Bosh is Mimi's version of Brook Lopez Bruh...
Ignore that nigga. Bosh out their playing with D league niggas and only 7 games behind the Cavs.
Imagine if Wade, Deng and McRoberts were not injured. With injuries Bosh and D league players Bosh is doing something Love punk ass could never do and that is lead a team to the playoffs.
Pleas... You too can trade pleas back and forth with each other... The fact that both of you refuse to answer a direct question proves how hollow your argument really is.... it's cool, glad you have a place to call home since Boshs weak ass has caused you to follow LeBron to Cleveland too...
Gene start charging these Niggas rent
Back to the 6th grade rhetoric Dude.... really
Please, answer my question for the 10000th time.... What happened to the Bosh that was going to tear up the league, What is the difference to this years Bosh and the Love that was in Minny? Like I said, Love was a more productive player for less money....
BOSH IS A CHECK STEALING JOKE... AND IS A C LEVEL PLAYER AND NOT EVEN THE BEST PLAYER ON HIS TRSM AT THIS POINT! And you niggas constantly comparing. 4 year body of work to a half of a season show just how desperate you are to validate your weakness arguments considering Bosh was the invisible man more often than not during the last 3 years of the 4 years LeBron carried the Heat...
6th grade rethoric? U need to look in the fuckin mirror, you the same nigga that won't address who your talkin too with subliminal bullshit instead of directly naming who u addressing...
Now to answer your dumb ass question for the 1000th time I specifically said to you Bosh was been inconsistent this year, mostly due to injuries but you choose to gloss over that fact.
And save the big fonts, nobody believes your fake outrage, the sixers would take Bosh in a heart beat..
Thirdly nobody is comparing Bosh to Love it's YOU and Gene comparing Love to Bosh.. Let's see Love play on the big stage first and make numerous finals runs and win some chips out of it then we can have that conversation...
In the mean time you need to take about Love's constant bitching and moaning about not fitting in and not getting touches... Funny u never hear Bosh not bitch once about getting touches in Miami.
Tell Love play some fuckin Defense for once and create his own lane
Your projecting and fantasising based on the parameters that best fit your argument.. While your at it, why don't you imagine and fantasize what the Cavs record would be if they had this team from day one...
What? You are the only one that is allowed to dream..
Pleas... You too can trade pleas back and forth with each other... The fact that both of you refuse to answer a direct question proves how hollow your argument really is.... it's cool, glad you have a place to call home since Boshs weak ass has caused you to follow LeBron to Cleveland too...
Gene start charging these Niggas rent
Fam the clown shit u talk is on level 10.. Maybe I need to go pull up the numerous post where I answered your question about Bosh's play in this very thread... And I answered it yet again just now
But looks like you going to regurgitate the same shit about nobody answering your question for the next 100 pages
Have at it
As far as Love goes, let me break it down, the Cavs have two superstars, one specialized roll player surrounded by a bunch of serviceable roll players..
In short Love numbers and production level is based on how the defenses are set up to stop the Cavs.. But unlike the other roll players on the team Love is more of a tweener, where he can be asked to carry the team, for a while yet do a specific task, that is rebounding and keeping the defense honest..
As long as he is doing his job and the team is winning, I see no reason to look at the numbers... However once teams start pealing off of him daring him to take the open shot and he misses, and as soon as he stops rebounding plus the team starts losing, then it would be a problem..
In short Love numbers and production level is based on how the defenses are set up to stop the Cavs.. But unlike the other roll players on the team Love is more of a tweener, where he can be asked to carry the team, for a while yet do a specific task, that is rebounding and keeping the defense honest..
As long as he is doing his job and the team is winning, I see no reason to look at the numbers... However once teams start pealing off of him daring him to take the open shot and he misses, and as soon as he stops rebounding plus the team starts losing, then it would be a problem..
Fam the Heat are 15-20 with Wade in the lineup.....we got to face facts that injuries or not those guys have underachieved so far this season
Teams have to deal with injuries ad yes Miami has been hit with them....but did the Heat not expect Wade to miss games....I dont ever believe that offseason workout bullshit with Wade no more...I just pencil him in to miss games every season now and certainly as the playoffs go on his body wont handle it
Bosh missed games and going forward in the future I expect him to miss more games in future seasons....
Did we not know Deng was gonna miss games...look at that dudes past
Granger....I aint even got to explain that
Jesus thank God the Knicks had to play Bargnani or not that could have been real bad for Miami last night
dude as usual you take the time to make sense. I'd like these other jokers who deflect and stop pulling up History Channel stats. And BDR its cool bro, I'll give you a chance to take a deep breath calm down, way too emotional this morning bro way too emotional. That nonsense about spot on 52 and when the 50 and all that s*** , same thing with you and love bro which is what I meant by 6 grade rhetoric. At any rate you have not answered my direct question of the comparison between Bosch this year and loved last year. And the reason you're going so hard I love this year, is to take the pressure off the dumbass prognosis you and your crew made about Bosh having a monster year this year. Anyone with any common sense can see what you're trying to do. Just own it bro?! You made a dumb ass fail prediction and it blew up in your face. The Heat won last night, did you even know that a post about that?and before you try and bait and switch you post in this thread way more than I do. But I would beat you to that punch too. so cool you don't have to answer my question it doesn't matter anyway because it was a rhetorical question. Bosch has been c level a while now.. deal with it!
basicallyYour projecting and fantasising based on the parameters that best fit your argument.. While your at it, why don't you imagine and fantasize what the Cavs record would be if they had this team from day one...
What? You are the only one that is allowed to dream..
You call me emotional when you are the one using big fonts? Lmaoo comedy
And if you noticed anything I've been going in on love at the rate I am this year is the same I was going in on him last year when he was in Minn...what I'm saying is nothing new
And why should I mention Bosh having 32 and 6 assist against the fuckin snicks? Miss wit that bullshit unlike u niggas you mention loves stat padding numbers against bum ass teams foh
Getting back to the Cavs, I see one weakness or area of concern, this team has... After watching the Pacers game, yeah I know they was tired and should have won, but like I said before, its not always about winning and losing its about strengths/weaknesses and match ups..
One thing I noticed is that the Cavs need to get both mentally and physically tougher because after LeBron was thrown to the grown they seem to have gotten softer..
Now I know this was the 2nd game in a back to back and it was regular season, so for now I would give it a pass, but its something to keep an eye open on..
Good thing that the team ahead of them the Raptors, Wiz and Hawks are all soft and do not have the type of squad to challenge the Cavs potential weakness. Even the Bulls, with Rose cannot play as rough and tough as they did in the past (I always said they play better with out Rose, because they were able to play dirty, but with Rose in the lineup, all teams have to do is threaten to retaliate back on their star player (Rose) and we all know he is not built for that drama..
Also they are lucky Indiana is not in it due to their injury to George, but then again this may also be the reason why soft ass teams like the Hawks, Raptors and Wiz are in the spot where they are, right now.
But this Cavs team has to learn and understand how they must protect its stars even if it means throwing down, the Heat had Haslem as their enforcer right now I don't see anyone on this current roster who can play that roll.
One thing I noticed is that the Cavs need to get both mentally and physically tougher because after LeBron was thrown to the grown they seem to have gotten softer..
Now I know this was the 2nd game in a back to back and it was regular season, so for now I would give it a pass, but its something to keep an eye open on..
Good thing that the team ahead of them the Raptors, Wiz and Hawks are all soft and do not have the type of squad to challenge the Cavs potential weakness. Even the Bulls, with Rose cannot play as rough and tough as they did in the past (I always said they play better with out Rose, because they were able to play dirty, but with Rose in the lineup, all teams have to do is threaten to retaliate back on their star player (Rose) and we all know he is not built for that drama..
Also they are lucky Indiana is not in it due to their injury to George, but then again this may also be the reason why soft ass teams like the Hawks, Raptors and Wiz are in the spot where they are, right now.
But this Cavs team has to learn and understand how they must protect its stars even if it means throwing down, the Heat had Haslem as their enforcer right now I don't see anyone on this current roster who can play that roll.
Enforcers are overrated.... They just end up getting technicals and suspensions
but once again..I will bite....who is a tough team?
Doing too much bro. Emotional
Keep deflecting that's all u do.
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What's the difference between Bosh this season and love last season? Where the mvp caliber beast Bosh was supposed to be after leaving lebrons shadow? Where is the Bosh nobody in the east was going to be able to handle? Your predictions dude. Questions I've repeatedly asked that you've never answered.... I'll wait?
Oh, and one more... why do you spend more time talking about love and the cavs than your beloved heat and that mvp beast Bosh? According to your predictions, it should be a regular Ole love fest over in the heat thread...
I'll wait...
What's the difference between Bosh this season and love last season? Where the mvp caliber beast Bosh was supposed to be after leaving lebrons shadow? Where is the Bosh nobody in the east was going to be able to handle? Your predictions dude. Questions I've repeatedly asked that you've never answered.... I'll wait?
Oh, and one more... why do you spend more time talking about love and the cavs than your beloved heat and that mvp beast Bosh? According to your predictions, it should be a regular Ole love fest over in the heat thread...
I'll wait...
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What's the difference between Bosh this season and love last season? Where the mvp caliber beast Bosh was supposed to be after leaving lebrons shadow? Where is the Bosh nobody in the east was going to be able to handle? Your predictions dude. Questions I've repeatedly asked that you've never answered.... I'll wait?
Oh, and one more... why do you spend more time talking about love and the cavs than your beloved heat and that mvp beast Bosh? According to your predictions, it should be a regular Ole love fest over in the heat thread...
I'll wait...
Why is your screen name in all caps? Emotional much?
The question you asked I answered already and like clock work you keep repeating yourself once again.. I answered u already stop being lazy and read
Secondly I spend more time in here because Gene spending time in the heat thread every time bosh has a bad game but no where to be found in a heat thread when he has a good one.. I on the other hand will trash the overrated cac in a cavs win or lose.. I'm not the type who only show up in a loss to talk shit but quiet when niggas winning
Nigga you started with Gene the minute LeBron bounced. You post more in this thread than Gene does and the reason you don't have much shut to say in the Heat thread is because of the dumbass predictions blowing up in your face. Your a damp hypocrite Dude, trying to get at Dudes for not really repping their teams when they such, but now all you do is try to bait and switch instead of dealing with the real deal th as t Bosh and the Heat such, so you are so fixated with this thread and what love is doing...
You reaching and sounding a Lil desperate with that first sentence Bruh
...anyway,
Oh...and one other thing to invalidate you and Turd's weak ass arguments...
Bosh's first year with Lebron: 18.7 pts / 8.3 rbs
Loves first year today with LeBro: 17.1 pts / 10.5 rbs
So... again, explain to me without all the BS Bluster, how Bosh's first year with LeBron to this point was so much more superior to Loves?
Oh.. and also, every season after the first one Bosh's playoffs stats WITH LeBron were worse than his reguler season stats... especially their second title year when he DOMINATED with an impressive 12.1 pts and 7.3 rbs...
GTFOH with your Bosh superiority bullshit Dude!! LeBron carried that motherfucker on his back for 4 fucking years, and now, with no LeBron he is exposed for the fraud he is... non-existent C level ass Nigga...
You reaching and sounding a Lil desperate with that first sentence Bruh
...anyway,
Oh...and one other thing to invalidate you and Turd's weak ass arguments...
Bosh's first year with Lebron: 18.7 pts / 8.3 rbs
Loves first year today with LeBro: 17.1 pts / 10.5 rbs
So... again, explain to me without all the BS Bluster, how Bosh's first year with LeBron to this point was so much more superior to Loves?
Oh.. and also, every season after the first one Bosh's playoffs stats WITH LeBron were worse than his reguler season stats... especially their second title year when he DOMINATED with an impressive 12.1 pts and 7.3 rbs...
GTFOH with your Bosh superiority bullshit Dude!! LeBron carried that motherfucker on his back for 4 fucking years, and now, with no LeBron he is exposed for the fraud he is... non-existent C level ass Nigga...
You want to know how in which I said 300 times
The heat were not getting to the finals without Bosh.. Period
They were not getting the second seed their first year, 1st seed their second year, 1st seed their 3rd and 2nd seed their 4th..
You keep looking at them numbers but like I told you bosh impacted the game for the heat way more than love..
When have u ever seen bosh get benched because he's a defensive liability unlike love? You know who's impacting the cavs? Everyone except love.. Facts
Moz
Smith
Shump
Irving (offensively)
Bron
Thompson
Oh... and you missed out on the fact that they lost 2 finals partially due to his weak as play too so what's your point? Let me help you... there is none...
40 games in bruh... funny how as usual you avoid 90 percent of the facts to try to validate your weak as subjective arguments as fact But in reality is only your opinion. Facts are, Bosh's play regressed every season with the Heat, regressed dramatically during the playoffs and LeBron carried his disappearing ass for 3 seasons... Those are facts! Fact: we are at the all star break of Loves first season with LeBron.... see me in June and then we will talk...
I ask you again, break down for me because I've obviously missed something, why Boshs play declined so badly each year in the playoffs, and how that FACT coupled with his MVP like stats this season qualifies him as a star and so much better than love? Also, what positive impact has your max salary studs play had on your weak as Heat this season? I'll wait...
Enforcers are needed for teams who are top heavy with their star power vs teams who like to maul. Many teams, even the announcers, think its ok to grab LeBron and foul him while he is in mid flight, thinking LeBron is invincible and he will always land right. Just last week vs the Pacers the announcer for Indiana screamed that they have to wrap him up or foul him hard to prevent those fast break slams, and as soon as he said it, his player did it almost breaking LeBron wrist in the process.. Then the mother fucker had the nerve to back track and say no you can't do that, thats how players get hurt..
The thing is everyone scores during fast break slams, and you never heaBr announcers suggest other players be fouled in the process..
As long as they are on that bullshit, any team that LeBron plays on should have somebody who is expendable and is willing to get thrown out of the game in case the opposition takes it too far..
But yes you are right, and I did mention it, with out the Bulls (with Rose) and the Pacers down, there aren't any teams who play bully ball.
However don't sleep on a team like the Hornets, in the playoffs..
First finals Bron ain't show up... Last finals nobody showed up except Bron but that's neither here nor than since you making it seem it's all bosh fault
Fact is heat needed him to get to the finals and they did every year he was there with Bron.. It was a collective between Bron wade and bosh
Let's not gloss over that fact.. Holla at me when love can do the same
And to be technical Bosh's play regressed the moment Spolstra turned him into a 3 pt shooter.. However bosh still impacted the game enough for the heat to make 4 finals appearances that's a fact u don't want to admit
I ain't got to see you in June because the Cavs ain't seeming the finals lmaooo
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